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00:00I, no, I just, I want to just get this case behind me.
00:03If today's not a good day.
00:04No, it's great, not a problem, not a problem.
00:06Great, let's start at the beginning then.
00:07When did you meet Abigail Turney?
00:09Uh, that was a few years ago when she showed up at my door
00:13pretending to be pregnant with my grandchild.
00:15Excuse me?
00:16Abigail and my son Henry met in college.
00:19They got engaged, you know, fast.
00:22Very fast.
00:23Her way of breaking the news to me was to go bigger.
00:27But, um, despite that introduction, I was charmed by her.
00:31She, she had, uh, walked a tough road, but she had grit.
00:36She was resourceful and driven, and I, I admire that.
00:40So she and Henry are no longer together?
00:41Yeah, she broke off the engagement, but, uh, it was amicable.
00:44You arranged for Abigail to have a ride-along with the LAPD?
00:47Yes.
00:48Yeah, she was considering police work.
00:50I take it that didn't work out.
00:51Leave her alone!
00:52Hey!
00:53It did not.
00:54And then six months ago, she was reported missing.
00:57What exactly happened to Abigail?
00:59Look, if you're gonna get to the bottom of what happened to that poor girl,
01:04you're gonna have to have an open mind.
01:08A very open mind.
01:10Hey!
01:14Ah!
01:14Police!
01:16I wonder when that happened.
01:19Oh, my God.
01:20Hello?
01:21Can you hear me?
01:22When did you get involved in the case?
01:24Uh, not immediately.
01:25Most missing persons cases aren't really cases.
01:28They're a roommate who got too drunk at a bar and slept it off in his truck,
01:32or a college student whose cell phone ran out of battery.
01:35You know, most of the time, they'd show up unharmed and confused about all the fuss.
01:39But this wasn't like that, was it?
01:41No.
01:41After a few days of follow-up calls,
01:43we sent officers by Miss Tierney's apartment for a wellness check.
01:47Thanks again for doing this.
01:49Always a pleasure to see my favorite couple.
01:52Let's keep this professional.
01:54Trouble in paradise?
01:58Sorry, I'm moving on.
01:59What did you find at Abigail's apartment?
02:01Very little.
02:02You mean no signs of a struggle?
02:03Well, there was no sign of her or her film equipment,
02:06but we did find her laptop.
02:07Hold on.
02:07Film equipment?
02:08Abigail was making a movie?
02:09Yes.
02:10I should be safe here.
02:17Why are they doing this?
02:19Go.
02:20I'll try to buy you some time.
02:24No!
02:25No!
02:26No!
02:27No!
02:33Please.
02:35I promise I'll pay.
02:37I'll pay the fine.
02:42I only saw an early cut.
02:45Could have used a bit more gore, if you ask me.
02:47I didn't.
02:48I asked why you thought Abigail's case was so compelling.
02:51Oh, right.
02:52Uh, because her Hollywood dream
02:55had become a Hollywood nightmare.
03:02Would you like me to take that again?
03:03I really wouldn't.
03:04When you searched Abigail's laptop,
03:06did you find anything on it?
03:07Yeah, it was filled with all of these unanswered messages.
03:10Nasty ones.
03:11The more we investigated,
03:12it became clear that Abigail had
03:14a lot of people angry with her.
03:16Like who?
03:17Okay, thank you.
03:18Thanks, Steve.
03:19Spielberg.
03:21He's an old friend.
03:22I bet.
03:23How did you get involved with Abigail Tierney?
03:25Oh, well, you know,
03:26we're always looking to discover
03:28and nurture the next generation of unheard voices.
03:33Abigail sent in a very compelling pitch video.
03:40Terror isn't something that happens to you.
03:44I mean, it's not every day you find a writer,
03:46director, and star with that much, um, poise.
03:50L.P.D. was one of those visionary,
03:52artist-driven pictures
03:53that, uh, we pride ourselves on making.
03:55And they're the cheapest, too, right?
03:57Well, hey, you know,
03:58the lower the budget,
03:59the higher the profit,
04:00if it's a hit.
04:01But the budget became an issue.
04:03Yeah, um, Abigail pitched us
04:05a straightforward horror flick,
04:07but, uh, she kept changing directions.
04:10Please!
04:16The reshoot started piling up,
04:18and, uh, we had to pull the plug on the project.
04:22What about nurturing a new generation of talent?
04:24Wait, look, there's...
04:25there's nurturing,
04:26and there's indulging.
04:27I'm a businessman.
04:28There's no hard feelings.
04:29Really?
04:30Because I have an email from you
04:31with the subject line,
04:32where the hell is my money,
04:34you lying sack?
04:34Uh, okay, yeah, fine.
04:36Yeah, few hard feelings,
04:38but they were nothing
04:39compared to some of those new producers she found.
04:41Those guys weren't playing around.
04:43Well, without the production company,
04:44Abigail had to turn to crowdfunding.
04:47When Nolan passed along Abigail's pitch video,
04:49I figured, hey, I've always loved scary movies.
04:52And what's the point of having a husband
04:54with a trust fund
04:54if you can't use it to support the arts?
04:56And it wasn't just money, was it?
04:58No.
04:59I-I promise I'll-I'll pay!
05:01I'll pay the fine!
05:03Ah!
05:04All right, still rolling.
05:06Reset.
05:08Bravo! Bravo!
05:11So Abigail hired you to compose music for her film.
05:15What was it like to work with her?
05:16Complicated.
05:17She's very opinionated
05:19which I respect.
05:21I tried not to take it personally
05:22when she kept throwing out
05:24all the music I was writing,
05:25but then when she completely disappeared
05:27and stopped answering my phone calls...
05:29That must have stung.
05:30It did until I learned
05:31that she walked off set
05:32and ghosted everybody, not just me.
05:33Then I got worried about her.
05:35I do wish she paid me, though.
05:37Hold up.
05:38You didn't get paid?
05:40Did you count experience?
05:42But it didn't provide you
05:43with the breakthrough you hoped.
05:44Even though a lot of crowdfunders
05:45were furious
05:46that the rewards were going unfulfilled,
05:47their anger didn't manifest
05:49into a concrete threat.
05:50From the suspect's perspective,
05:52we were back to square one.
05:53Until we discovered that Abigail
05:54had made several trips
05:55up to Pelican Bay.
05:56The prison?
05:57Yes.
05:57To visit who?
05:58A serial killer.
06:00Liam Glasser.
06:01In news that should bring
06:03some relief to the Southland,
06:05the LAPD have announced
06:07a major arrest
06:08charging Lincoln Heights native
06:09Liam Glasser
06:10with the murder of 10 victims
06:12found buried near the Sepulveda Dam.
06:14Our investigation into Glasser
06:16was a challenge.
06:18He used another serial killer,
06:21Harrison Novak,
06:21as cover for his crimes,
06:23stashing his victims
06:24in Novak's burial ground.
06:26It wasn't until we caught Glasser
06:28attempting to murder a new victim
06:29that we were finally able
06:31to put him behind bars.
06:33Before we start,
06:35I just want to make very clear
06:37that I'm an innocent man
06:40and the subject
06:41of an extraordinary campaign
06:44of harassment by the LAPD,
06:46particularly Detective Nyla Harper.
06:50You've been charged
06:51with the murder of 10 people.
06:52Those horrific allegations
06:55have not been proven
06:56in a court of law
06:57and they never will be.
06:58You've also been charged
06:59with jury tampering.
07:00Like, if you're just
07:01going to railroad me
07:02like the police,
07:02then this interview is over.
07:05Hold on, hold on.
07:06I'm not here to talk
07:07about any of that.
07:08I want to talk about Abigail.
07:09Why did she come see you?
07:16To learn about Westview.
07:17Westview Psychiatric Hospital
07:19was at the center
07:19of Glasser's case.
07:20He was a patient?
07:21No, no,
07:22but his vending machine company
07:24supplied the hospital
07:25and he was in and out of there
07:27for almost two decades.
07:28It's where he crossed paths
07:29with Harrison Novak
07:31and where he found another patient,
07:32Ryan Dearborn,
07:33to serve as a Patsy.
07:35He used an abandoned building
07:36at the psych hospital complex
07:37to torture and kill his victims.
07:40Did Abigail ask
07:41about the abandoned ward?
07:42Yes.
07:43But I couldn't help her much
07:45because I've never been there myself.
07:47Obviously not.
07:47But I told her what I'd heard.
07:50That the place was haunted,
07:52which is obviously crazy,
07:53but, um,
07:54when I was a kid,
07:55I would join my father
07:56on his service calls to Westview.
07:58He always told me
07:59to stay away from that building.
08:02Something inside
08:03clearly scared the hell out of him.
08:07And he was not a superstitious man.
08:09The thing that we couldn't understand
08:11was how Abigail had found out
08:12about Glasser's connection
08:13to the psych ward
08:14in the first place.
08:15It wasn't public knowledge?
08:16No, we kept those details
08:17away from the press, deliberately.
08:19The only people who knew
08:20were Glasser and the police,
08:22and obviously Glasser
08:23wouldn't admit to being down there.
08:24Which means?
08:25What they don't tell you
08:26about making movies
08:27is that it's really boring.
08:29It's worse than surveillance.
08:31Anyway, Abigail and I got to talking
08:33about my recent case work,
08:34and it's possible
08:35I may have mentioned something
08:37about the psych ward.
08:38From Abigail's notes,
08:39we gathered that she essentially
08:41abandoned her movie
08:42for a new project.
08:43That was shortly after
08:44meeting with Glasser.
08:45Yeah, she felt that
08:46fictional storytelling
08:47was disconnected
08:48from real, lived experience.
08:50So that's when she decided
08:51to make a true crime documentary
08:52about Westview.
09:01Westview Psychiatric Hospital
09:03opened in 1953.
09:04It started as a model
09:06of modern, humane care.
09:08But what lies beneath?
09:10The deeper I dug,
09:11the more horrors I unearthed.
09:13Mysteries that defied explanation.
09:16How can one hospital
09:17spawn two serial killers?
09:19Some might say it's bad luck,
09:21but I don't believe in bad luck.
09:23Mm-mm.
09:24I think there's something rotten here.
09:27Original sin.
09:28And I'm gonna prove it.
09:30The footage on Abigail's hard drive
09:32shows her inside Westview's
09:34abandoned ward.
09:34Was that open to the public?
09:36No.
09:36After LAPD and FBI
09:38finished processing the scene,
09:40the hospital put up a razor wire fence,
09:42hired a security guard
09:43for 24-hour surveillance
09:44to keep intruders up.
09:46But that clearly didn't work.
09:48Clearly.
09:49So we sent a patrol unit
09:50to check in with the guard.
09:51Mr. Dewaler!
09:52Yeah?
09:53We're investigating the disappearance
09:54of Abigail Tierney?
09:56Oh.
09:58Hey!
10:19Hey!
10:21Stop!
10:23Hands behind your back.
10:24Hands behind your back.
10:25At first,
10:26Carl Dittweiler
10:27claimed he did nothing wrong,
10:29that he never met Abigail.
10:31This is it.
10:33But when he searched his office,
10:35it was clear he was lying.
10:42Uh...
10:43Nolan?
10:47Oh, no.
10:49Abigail had become his obsession.
10:52Oh.
10:52Yeah, things didn't look good
10:57for Mr. Dittweiler.
10:58And based on his board,
10:59it was clear he had become obsessed
11:01with Abigail,
11:02and, you know,
11:03maybe she rejected his advances
11:04and things went sideways.
11:06It was sobering.
11:07I held out hopes
11:08that Abigail might still be alive,
11:11but I've been on the job long enough
11:12to know that the odds
11:14were against that.
11:15Do you know how they first
11:16crossed paths?
11:16Actually, it was Abigail
11:18that first initiated contact.
11:20She was researching
11:21the abandoned site ward
11:23for a documentary,
11:24and Carl was the nighttime security guard.
11:26She wanted access on the DL,
11:28and she reached out,
11:29and she...
11:32Flirted.
11:32Flirted.
11:33She flirted with him,
11:34and he agreed to let her in.
11:36I just showed her around.
11:37I told her some stories,
11:39things that had gone on there
11:40back in the day.
11:41She was impressed.
11:42She actually asked me
11:43to help her
11:44with her documentary.
11:45Said she'd give me
11:46a credit on the film.
11:47Single card.
11:48If you're innocent,
11:49why'd you run?
11:50Because I get what it looks like.
11:51I was the last person
11:52to see her before she disappeared.
11:54How do you know that?
11:57Because I watched
11:58the darkness swallow her up.
12:00You know,
12:00I bet they were doing
12:01all kinds of sick things
12:02to patients back in the day.
12:03Mm-hmm.
12:04Things that would be illegal now.
12:05Yeah.
12:06Yeah, I know.
12:06They used to do lobotomies.
12:08One of the orleys told me about it.
12:09He's worked here for,
12:10like, forever.
12:11You think you could
12:12introduce me to him?
12:14Uh, yeah, I guess.
12:17Uh, just obviously
12:18I can't tell him
12:20that I've let you in here.
12:21Come on, Carl.
12:23I would never rat you out.
12:25We're friends, right?
12:27Did you hear that?
12:28We're friends.
12:31Ah!
12:34Do you hear that?
12:36What? No.
12:37That noise,
12:38it's a weird,
12:40sort of beautiful sound
12:42I-you really don't hear it?
12:43No.
12:44No, but this building
12:44makes all kinds of weird noises.
12:46Hey, I just gotta go back
12:47to the main building,
12:48radio security,
12:49let them know
12:49if I'm at my post.
12:50You go ahead.
12:50I'm gonna go check this out.
12:52Uh,
12:52what did you make
12:54of the sound
12:55Abigail described?
12:56We weren't sure.
12:57I mean,
12:58Carl claimed
12:58to have never heard it.
12:59It's possible
13:00that she was faking
13:02to juice up her documentary.
13:03We've actually analyzed
13:05some of the audio files
13:06from Carl's video,
13:07isolated the low-end frequencies.
13:08Here.
13:11What is that?
13:13I was hoping
13:14you could tell me.
13:15It sounds...
13:16Bhamonic.
13:17Is that even a frequency
13:18humans can hear?
13:19Not technically, no.
13:24Well,
13:25whatever she heard
13:27or didn't hear,
13:27Abigail kept searching.
13:29Sure about this?
13:31Yeah,
13:31I'll be right back.
13:32Hello?
13:33Hello?
13:34Can you hear me?
13:35And that was the last
13:38anyone had seen her.
13:39But Carl could have
13:40just turned off his camera
13:41and then killed Abigail, right?
13:42We couldn't rule him out
13:43as a suspect,
13:44but we only had
13:45circumstantial evidence
13:46against him.
13:47And as we went through
13:48the footage
13:48on Abigail's laptop,
13:50we discovered
13:50that flirting with Carl
13:51wasn't her only
13:52extreme research tactic.
13:54I'm gonna start this.
13:56Should I turn into it?
13:57I'm gonna turn into it.
14:00Okay.
14:01I'm back at Westview.
14:02And if I'm gonna learn more
14:03about how the old
14:04psych ward operated,
14:05I'm gonna need
14:06to see their files.
14:07Obviously,
14:08I can't just walk around
14:09filming people,
14:10so.
14:14It's a cam.
14:16See?
14:18Okay.
14:21Wish me luck.
14:25Abigail had Carl
14:26lure the director
14:27away from her office
14:28so Abigail
14:29could sneak inside.
14:35Yeah, I mean,
14:49seeing Rachel's name
14:50in Abigail's footage
14:52was definitely a shock.
14:53You both have a history
14:54with Miss Hall,
14:55is that right?
14:55Yes.
14:56So she and I
14:57went to college together
14:58and her and Tim.
15:01I'm sorry.
15:03Yeah, we used to date.
15:05Before or after you two.
15:06Okay, next question.
15:08I'm simply trying to
15:08establish a timeline.
15:10No problem.
15:11I'll just ask her later.
15:12I worked in the psych ward
15:15at Westview
15:16for a year
15:17while getting my
15:18social work degree.
15:19It was, um,
15:20challenging.
15:21How so?
15:22For one thing,
15:23the patients
15:24would often arrive
15:26at the facility
15:26with, say,
15:27a diagnosis
15:28of mild depression.
15:29And a week later,
15:31they'd start to exhibit
15:32disordered thinking.
15:33Eventually,
15:34they might become violent.
15:35The decompensation
15:36was sudden
15:37and acute.
15:39You're saying
15:39they would get worse,
15:40not better.
15:40Yes,
15:41and conventional treatments
15:42seem to never work.
15:43Someone suggested
15:44a supernatural presence
15:46at Westview.
15:46Could that have impacted
15:47the patients?
15:48Uh,
15:49just because
15:50the doctors at Westview
15:51couldn't find a cause
15:52for our patients' behavior
15:53doesn't mean
15:54there isn't one.
15:55Maybe it's just
15:56beyond the capabilities
15:57of modern science
15:58to discover.
15:59Or maybe it's demons?
16:02There are no demons
16:03at Westview.
16:04There are totally demons
16:06at Westview.
16:08What's another explanation
16:09for everything
16:09that's happened?
16:10We got Liam Glasser,
16:12Harrison Novak,
16:13and most recently,
16:14Ava...
16:15Maxwell.
16:16Ava Maxwell
16:16and Charlotte Russell.
16:18This man came out
16:19in a big overcoat,
16:20black mask,
16:21big knife.
16:22Hang on a moment.
16:23I know that Ava
16:24and Charlotte
16:24were never treated
16:25at Westview,
16:26so what's the connection?
16:26Oh, you didn't hear.
16:27Charlotte's nanny
16:28was a patient there
16:29when she was a teenager.
16:30Yes, yes,
16:31I was at Westview.
16:32I had, um,
16:34been having
16:34thoughts of self-harm,
16:36acting out.
16:37My family was very concerned,
16:38so they arranged for me
16:40to receive the best care available.
16:41And did the treatment help?
16:42Not at first.
16:44I'd been experiencing
16:45a darkness
16:46that I had never felt before,
16:49and at first I fought it,
16:50and then I realized
16:51that struggling
16:52only made everything worse,
16:53and once I accepted it,
16:55that's when things
16:56started to get better.
16:57And I left Westview,
16:58and I finished school,
16:59and I eventually made
17:01a little life for myself.
17:02You were the nanny
17:03for the Russell family.
17:04Yes, Charlotte and I
17:06were very, very close.
17:08Well, I know that everyone's
17:11saying just the worst things
17:12about her right now,
17:13but in my eyes,
17:15she is a poised
17:16and gifted young woman,
17:17and I'd like to think
17:18that I had a small hand in that.
17:20As odd as it was
17:21to find that connection,
17:23it was just one of those
17:23weird coincidences,
17:25nothing more.
17:25Charlotte Russell convinced
17:27her friend, Ava,
17:28to help her stab
17:29their other friend,
17:29Grace, there.
17:30Her actions were her own.
17:31They're not inspired
17:32by some nanny
17:34with a history
17:34of mental illness
17:35or some demon
17:36in a computer
17:37that convinced Charlotte
17:38to do it.
17:38I'm sorry, computer demon?
17:40Zuzu is not a demon.
17:42Not a demon.
17:43It's an AI.
17:44Charlotte fed Zuzu information
17:46about herself and her friends,
17:47and based on that,
17:48Zuzu told Charlotte
17:49what it thought
17:50she wanted to hear.
17:51Zuzu also helped you,
17:52isn't that right,
17:53Officer Nolan?
17:54It mentioned something
17:54to me about a watch.
17:57You spoke to it?
17:59Hello, friend of John Nolan.
18:01Hi.
18:01Should I call you Zuzu?
18:03If you want to.
18:04Do you need help
18:05with something?
18:06Perhaps a topic
18:07for a new project.
18:08Your last few
18:09have struggled.
18:10They've done fine, thanks,
18:11but I actually want to talk
18:12to you about Westview Psychiatric.
18:14John was interested
18:15in the two.
18:17That young woman, Abigail,
18:18went missing there.
18:19Are you saying
18:20the police asked you
18:21to help find her?
18:22No, but they needed
18:23my help anyway,
18:25and a good friend
18:26doesn't wait to be asked.
18:27Zuzu did send me
18:29a message.
18:29What did it say?
18:30It told me that Abigail
18:31was in room 666.
18:34The number of the beast?
18:37Look, the facility
18:39had no room 666,
18:41and Zuzu isn't a demon.
18:42We were at a complete
18:43dead end,
18:44and we were running
18:45out of time.
18:46Abigail had been gone
18:47for 11 days.
18:48The odds of finding her alive
18:49were getting worse.
18:51Yeah, we were out of options
18:52until the 911 call came in.
18:55Apparently, there were
18:56suspicious noises
18:57and lights coming
18:58from this abandoned wing,
19:00so we went to check it out.
19:05Police!
19:06Coming in!
19:07Control 7, Adam 100.
19:09No signs of break-in here.
19:10Did RP say
19:11where they saw the light?
19:15I think the radio's blocked.
19:16I had some idiot kids
19:17trying to scare each other.
19:18Yeah.
19:18When was the last time it rained?
19:22Like a month ago.
19:23Why?
19:25Oh.
19:28Walls are wet.
19:29Yeah.
19:31What is this place?
19:33And how did you two
19:34get involved?
19:35Uh, Selena and I
19:36were about to clock out
19:36when we got the call.
19:38God, I hate this place.
19:41How many messed up things
19:42have to happen
19:42before they tear it down?
19:44Apparently,
19:45the ownership
19:45is under dispute.
19:46Westview says
19:47that they hold the deed,
19:48but then there's
19:49this claim
19:50by this Lucifer.
19:53Lucifer?
19:55Lucifer.
19:56Oh, my God.
19:57You're messing with me.
19:58Yes, I am.
19:59Come on.
20:00Let's go find Tim and Lucy
20:00and get out of here.
20:02Don't step in that.
20:02Oh, look.
20:14Did you see that?
20:15Someone's flashlight?
20:16And that?
20:19I do not know
20:20what that was.
20:21police, show us your head.
20:43We have permission
20:46to be here.
20:47That's not totally true.
20:48No.
20:49All right.
20:50Unfortunately, gentlemen,
20:51you are trespassing.
20:52You're going to have
20:52to come with us.
20:55What are you doing here?
20:56Filming an episode, sir?
20:58Ghost files.
20:59I love you guys.
21:00What is ghost files?
21:02Welcome to ghost files,
21:03where we take your evidence
21:05and our tools
21:05into the field
21:06to expose the supernatural.
21:08My partner, a skeptic.
21:10Myself, a believer.
21:12Both of us, truth seekers.
21:13This week, our team
21:14has traveled
21:15to Los Angeles, California
21:16to explore
21:17a condemned psychiatric facility.
21:19Now, in 1841,
21:21this was the site
21:21of a Spanish barracks,
21:23but a massive earthquake
21:23swallowed the building,
21:25killing everyone inside.
21:26Many saw the event
21:27as retribution
21:28for Spanish crimes
21:29committed in the New World.
21:31Sure, or an earthquake
21:33happened in a region
21:34prone to earthquakes.
21:36But that's just the beginning
21:37of this site's dark history.
21:39Join us as we investigate.
21:42At that time,
21:43did you believe
21:43the facility was haunted?
21:45No.
21:47You were filming there, too.
21:48Did you experience
21:49any temperature fluctuations
21:50or anything like that?
21:51I'll ask the questions
21:52if you don't mind.
21:53We do.
21:54But this is my documentary.
21:56No, this is our YouTube show.
21:58Yeah, so ghosts are set
22:01to produce
22:01electromagnetic interference.
22:03Did you experience
22:03any trouble
22:04with your equipment?
22:09We're done here.
22:10Let's cut.
22:11Let's wrap this up.
22:15Nice.
22:16Yeah.
22:16All of you, let's go.
22:18Come on.
22:18No, no way.
22:19This is some of the best footage
22:20we've ever got.
22:21Listen to this.
22:22What is that?
22:22Well, it's a spirit box.
22:24Did you guys hear anything?
22:25A spirit box?
22:26The spirit box rapidly scans
22:28radio signals
22:29to create white noise
22:30through which spirits
22:31can communicate.
22:33Hello?
22:35See?
22:36It's science.
22:38Listen.
22:42Okay, okay.
22:42That's enough.
22:43Look, we gotta go.
22:44No, wait, wait, wait.
22:44I heard something.
22:45Can you turn it up?
22:50Help me?
22:51Help me?
22:54That is not what I heard.
22:56Whoa, uh, uh, whoa,
22:57who do you think it is?
22:59It's feedback.
23:00It's a ghost.
23:02It was a little clearer
23:03down the hallway.
23:04Show me.
23:06Officer.
23:09So we're just gonna give up
23:10on Tim and Lucy then?
23:12How long have we been in here?
23:17This room?
23:18Yeah.
23:18I don't know.
23:21We've been here for a while, right?
23:22Yeah.
23:24I mean,
23:24I don't mind.
23:25I feel good.
23:26Like,
23:27really good.
23:28Hmm.
23:31Do you think
23:32we've been drugged?
23:34Oh,
23:35the wet walls.
23:38We touched them.
23:39Yeah.
23:40I hate making mistakes
23:41in front of you.
23:42Oh, you've never
23:43admitted that before.
23:47Truth serum.
23:47Sodium pentothal.
23:49Yeah.
23:51You know what?
23:52We,
23:53we should keep quiet
23:55until this wears off.
23:56No.
23:57Yeah.
23:58No.
23:58It's better for us.
23:59No.
24:00What is, um,
24:02your most embarrassing
24:03memory?
24:05I mean,
24:06third grade.
24:08Uh-huh.
24:08I snuck my hamster
24:10into my classroom
24:12in my pants.
24:18With that kind of dad,
24:26you internalize the message
24:28that if you fail,
24:30you deserve to be punished.
24:32And without him to punish me, I guess I punished myself.
24:37By breaking up with me?
24:39Yep.
24:40I mean, it's kind of flattering, right?
24:43It's the worst thing I could think to do to myself.
24:45You didn't punish just yourself, though.
24:48I know.
24:50And look, if you never fully forgive me, I totally understand.
24:54I have already forgiven you.
24:56It's not even...
24:58I wonder when that happened.
25:05You can't put that in the documentary.
25:07The LAPD makes all body cam footage available to the public.
25:10This is obviously an exception.
25:11We were drugged.
25:13People say all sorts of things when they've been drugged.
25:16So you didn't mean what you said.
25:18What about the potential baby names you discussed?
25:22We're done here.
25:22Why do we keep agreeing to do this?
25:24I don't know. Excuse me.
25:25Okay, you have to admit, that's a voice asking for help.
25:29Yeah, sure, I heard it.
25:30But it's one of their crew members or something pre-recorded.
25:32Were you a patient here?
25:34Is the demon with you?
25:35Somebody covered up a door.
25:37What year did you die?
25:45What's up, guys?
25:46Okay.
25:46Watch out. Ready?
25:53Go.
25:54Oh, wow.
25:56Advocate!
26:01I've been trapped in here for so long.
26:02I thought I was going to die.
26:05Oh, my God.
26:06What is this room?
26:07Yeah, but why did they wall it all off?
26:09To trap the demon.
26:10Yeah.
26:10Bartleby, the terrifying demon king of paperwork.
26:13How did you get down here?
26:16I was exploring.
26:18Following this weird, beautiful noise.
26:21When all of a sudden it got cold.
26:23Like, so, so cold.
26:25I could feel something coming after me.
26:27And I was scared.
26:28So I hid behind a cabinet, but the floor was wet and rusted and collapsed.
26:33I couldn't climb back out.
26:34You fell from there?
26:35Are you okay?
26:36I think I twisted my ankle, but I feel no pain.
26:39You've been missing for two weeks.
26:41How the hell did you survive?
26:43Oh.
26:46I had a bunch of trail mix in my bag.
26:49Plus, I found, like, this ancient water jug in one of the cabinets.
26:53Plus, Bob.
26:54Bob had power bars.
26:56Bob had power bars.
26:58Bob?
26:58Oh, oh, God.
27:00If it wasn't for Bob, I would have lost my mind down here.
27:04Don't be shy, Bob.
27:06Say hello.
27:06Hello.
27:06Abigail was safe, and, uh, considering what she'd been through, uh, relatively healthy.
27:16Except for her mental state.
27:18That did pose some questions.
27:21At first, I was angry, you know?
27:23Like, we're stuck down here together.
27:25At least try and have a conversation.
27:27And then I realized Bob's just shy.
27:31He's just shy.
27:31And there's nothing wrong with that, right?
27:34Right.
27:34Did you believe she'd had a demonic encounter?
27:37She went in perfectly sane and came out best friends with the corpse.
27:42That's how possession works.
27:43You can't rule out demons.
27:45Yes, you can.
27:46Nolan, look at this.
27:50Six, six, six.
27:51Just like Zuzu said.
27:52It was a weird coincidence.
27:57It was a weird coincidence.
28:00We found quite a cocktail of drugs in your system.
28:04I don't do drugs.
28:06Does pot count?
28:07No, we're talking about powerful hallucinogens.
28:10I'm not hallucinating.
28:12Ask Bob.
28:14I had them run the test twice, and we found a similar cocktail in Officer Chen and Sergeant Bradford.
28:20Mercifully, none of the drugs were fat-soluble.
28:23Otherwise, department policy would have forced Sergeant Bradford and Officer Chen into medical retirement.
28:30Is that what killed Bob?
28:31Whatever drug they were exposed to?
28:34No, he was shot six times in the chest.
28:37Did you get an ID on the body?
28:39His name was Bob Medina, a friend reporting him missing about six months ago.
28:42He was a private investigator.
28:44What was his connection to the hospital?
28:45At first, we couldn't find one.
28:47So, to be clear, there was now a third killer associated with that location?
28:52At this point, it can't be a coincidence.
28:53There has to be something about that facility that drives people towards homicide.
28:57Uh, that's a stretch and a half.
28:59Westview is a hospital for the mentally ill and the criminally insane.
29:02Novak was a patient.
29:03Glass was there looking for a patsy.
29:05And whoever killed Bob saw an abandoned building and was like,
29:08that's a perfect place to dump a body.
29:12What?
29:12Or there was some dark energy that drew evil to it.
29:16You really believe that?
29:18I'm Catholic.
29:19I was raised on demons in the battle against Satan's minions.
29:22Well, I was raised on the scientific method.
29:25Okay, so if it's also explainable, spend the night there.
29:28I dare you.
29:30Pass.
29:31You're scared.
29:32No, I'm not scared.
29:34One could argue the drugs in a hospital are hardly surprising, even hallucinogens.
29:39Over the decades, they have been used in experimental medicine.
29:41No, true, uh, just the type and volume is what's set up.
29:45What are you doing?
29:46Conducting an interview.
29:47Could you please come back in like an hour?
29:49You said you'd talk to me for my documentary.
29:52You have a documentary?
29:53Well, it's my story.
29:54Who better to tell it?
29:55Well, no problem.
29:56I can sit down with you just as soon as we're done here.
29:58I wish.
29:59It has to be exclusive.
30:00You can't do both.
30:02She's right.
30:03It has to be exclusive.
30:04Either you're doing my doc or you're doing hers.
30:05And we have a long history.
30:07I was almost his daughter-in-law, so suck it.
30:09Uh, I'm gonna have to go with her.
30:12I'm sorry.
30:13Seriously?
30:14I have a BAFTA.
30:17Okay.
30:18Fine.
30:19Let's wrap it up.
30:20This way.
30:20The set's this way.
30:21It's better lighting over there.
30:23We got a great team.
30:24Um, we are gonna need our mic back.
30:26Yes.
30:26Oh, yeah, of course.
30:27We have our own.
30:28Sorry.
30:29I'll see you guys around.
30:31Good luck.
30:31Can we talk about, uh, what else I found inside the secret lab?
30:33Oh, right.
30:34Yeah.
30:34Well, uh, you did find some paperwork.
30:38Explosive paperwork.
30:40Evidence of a secret government program.
30:42Close the door softly, please.
30:43Well, I don't know that we can say that for sure.
30:46Oh, we could.
30:46My name is Abigail Tierney.
30:51I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab at Westview Psychiatric.
30:55All attempts at escape have proven fruitless.
30:57If I am to die here, I leave you this footage along with my in-process documentary as evidence
31:03of my hunt for the truth about the evils that inhabit this accursed place.
31:11What's this?
31:14Cool.
31:14That's when I realized I'd uncovered something more haunting than any ghost or serial killer.
31:20I'd uncovered a conspiracy that went to the very highest levels of our government.
31:26The government files Abigail found detailed classified plans and methods for human experimentation.
31:35What type of experimentation?
31:36Are you familiar with MKUltra?
31:38Of course.
31:39It was a top-secret CIA program in the 50s and 60s.
31:42Using experimental drugs to aid in interrogation techniques.
31:45It was straight-up mind control.
31:47I mean, they used high doses of psychoactive drugs like LSD, sodium pentothal, which is
31:51also known as a truth serum.
31:53The program ran from 1953 to 1973, before it was shut down following a public outcry.
32:01I mean, all the facilities were closed.
32:03There's no evidence the CIA ever used Westview as a base of operations, so what were top-secret
32:08MKUltra documents doing there?
32:10Good question.
32:10We started digging into the trove of files Abigail had found, and one name kept popping
32:15up again and again.
32:17Dr. Julius Erickson.
32:19He was one of these psychologists contracted by the CIA to conduct experimental research.
32:25And after MKUltra shut down, he took a new job.
32:29Director of Westview.
32:30Dr. Erickson ran the hospital for 20 years, and from the notes we uncovered, it seems clear
32:35he continued his own research in private, trying to use the psychological breakthroughs from
32:40MKUltra to further his own research into mind-altering drugs.
32:44I assume he used those drugs on Westview patients?
32:46Yeah, at first.
32:47But then he started using them on himself, believing he had found the key to improving
32:51his own mind.
32:52He had.
32:52And in a last moment of lucidity, Erickson decided to destroy his research.
32:57He dumped the chemicals outside the building, where they started to slowly seep into the
33:01structure.
33:02And some of the drugs were potent enough to be absorbed simply by touch, even when diluted.
33:07Erickson committed himself to Westview shortly after.
33:10Never said another word.
33:12He died in 2020.
33:13Did the CIA ever find out what Erickson was doing?
33:16Not that we found, but it's not like the agency ever returns our phone calls.
33:22Anyone who's studied the past knows that the CIA has a history of violent cover-ups.
33:28MKUltra might have become public, but that doesn't mean there still aren't secrets to protect.
33:32By uncovering Dr. Erickson's connection to Westview and discovering Bob's body, I've put
33:39myself in danger.
33:40But the best way to protect yourself is with the truth.
33:44Which brings me to Carolyn McGrath.
33:46It turns out Carolyn is the one who hired Bob to go to Westview.
33:50And I need to find out why, before it's too late.
33:53I think her...
33:54What the hell?
34:05We got lucky.
34:07A woman in the neighborhood heard a commotion and filmed Abigail's abduction.
34:12Thanks to them, we were able to track the vehicle.
34:14Where'd it go?
34:14Back to where it all began.
34:16Westview.
34:17Westview.
34:17Westview.
34:20Westview.
34:24Police!
34:24Dropped a weapon.
34:25On the ground.
34:27Hands on your head.
34:28Turn around.
34:29Walk towards my partner.
34:30Hands behind your back.
34:32You okay?
34:33Yeah, totally fine.
34:35Carl's going through it, though.
34:37God, I never really even knew my mother.
34:39Does anyone?
34:39Really?
34:40What is going on here?
34:42Well, uh, my friend Carl here was being pressured into killing me.
34:45Um, but then we got to talking, right?
34:47Yeah, and I couldn't.
34:49Yeah.
34:49Okay, but pressure by who?
34:51Um, my boss.
34:53Meg Davidson.
34:55Who?
34:55The current director at Westview Psychiatric.
35:00But she started working at the hospital long after Julius Erickson went mad,
35:04and she has no links to the CIA, so why would she try to kill Abigail?
35:08To cover up Bob's murder.
35:10And who killed Bob?
35:11Can you introduce yourself?
35:13Oh, yes. My name is Caroline McGrath.
35:15You hired my friend, Bob Medina, because you had questions.
35:20About your friend Winona's treatment at Westview, right?
35:22Yes. Of course, everyone thought I was just being paranoid, but Bob didn't.
35:27And it got him killed.
35:28You work with Winona Baker, right?
35:30Yes. Um, she was hospitalized with depression by her daughter.
35:35Seemed like therapy and some medication would help her, but Winona got worse fast.
35:41Uh, lost track of reality.
35:43She exhibited signs of, uh, psychosis, paranoia, dissociation.
35:49And by that point, I wondered whether a transfer to a new facility might be in her best interest.
35:54And then?
35:54Uh, the director informed me that Winona's family had gotten a judge to order a conservatorship,
36:00and they wanted her to stay for good.
36:03You were suspicious.
36:04Winona always had her funks.
36:06But she wasn't crazy.
36:08Until that place made her lose her mind.
36:10And that proved to be the break you needed.
36:12Yeah, when we started looking into it,
36:14it turned out a significant number of Westview patients were wealthy.
36:19And a high percentage were ordered into conservatorship.
36:22No, uh, conservatorship is extremely difficult to get for an adult.
36:26Because of the potential, uh, abuse of power.
36:28It gives one party legal authority over certain aspects of another person's life,
36:32including managing all of their assets.
36:34It's like what happened to Britney Spears.
36:36Manage their assets.
36:38Rich persons speak for controlling someone else's money.
36:40Yes.
36:42And money makes people do crazy things.
36:45Like, um, poison their family member's water with a chemical cocktail
36:49so potent it has the potential to permanently damage the human psyche?
36:54Yeah.
36:56Just like that.
36:58I was supposed to inherit, but, um,
37:01after my break with reality,
37:04my dad cut me off and, uh, my brother got everything.
37:07What's everything?
37:08Oh, about, um, yeah, $12 million.
37:11Must have been hard going from that kind of wealth to nannying.
37:14Oh, no.
37:14No, it was a blessing.
37:16I...
37:17I really think that helping children was my calling.
37:21Hmm.
37:21Once we found the pattern,
37:23we started interviewing some of the families.
37:24A little pressure, and they cracked.
37:26And with the search warrant,
37:28we found the gun used to kill Bob Bedina
37:30and director of Davidson's Closet.
37:31She'd been running her scam for a decade.
37:34Turns out she was Dr. Erickson's therapist
37:36in the last years of his life.
37:39He must have told her about his experiments.
37:41In exploring his old lab,
37:44she'd uncovered the tainted water,
37:45realized its potential.
37:47Yeah, we had her on murder, fraud,
37:50elder abuse, kidnapping,
37:52attempted murder, poisoning.
37:54Miss Davidson, would you like to make a comment?
37:55You know, this might be your last chance
37:58to tell your side of the story.
38:01Hey, look at all these people watching.
38:04The state ordered a full investigation
38:06into every conservatorship Westview ordered.
38:09God willing, the victims will get their rights and assets back.
38:12And Westview itself has been closed for good.
38:15But the lawsuits are just starting,
38:17not to mention the rest of the legal ramifications.
38:19I'm glad this is getting so much attention.
38:21These poor, abused patients can finally get justice.
38:26Do you think it could impact your case at all?
38:28Certainly it gives my defense a fresh coat of paint.
38:31The jury won't listen to reason because I am innocent.
38:35Perhaps they will listen to the tragic story
38:38of a simple tradesman falling victim
38:41to a poisoned environment that chemically affected my psyche.
38:46And what did that environment make you do?
38:49Who can say? Certainly not me.
38:52I... I wasn't in my right mind.
38:56Yeah, the, um...
38:57The poisoned water was only found in the abandoned psych ward.
39:01No vending machines left to fill there, right?
39:03At this point, I must confess,
39:06I did go inside that abandoned ward back when I was a kid.
39:11My father's warnings, they didn't scare me away.
39:14They only made me more desperate to see
39:15and whatever lurked inside
39:18must have infected me.
39:27Glasser's claiming that the presence of those drugs
39:30would absolve him of any alleged responsibility for the murders.
39:33There's no way that defense is going to work.
39:35We have Glasser dead to rights.
39:37Are you sure about that?
39:37Yeah.
39:42Mm-hmm.
39:49Hey, hey, sorry, I know we talked about me
39:56not recording interviews in here,
39:58but Raj mentioned he needed a space with great acoustics,
40:02and, um, and you know, we're actin', we're shuttin' it down.
40:04We're shuttin' it down.
40:05Shut it, shut it down.
40:06Shuttin' it down, copy?
40:09Hi, sorry, she said this was cool.
40:11You're gonna help me get these in the van, right?
40:12Yeah, I'll be right there.
40:15Next time, handcuffs and squad cars.
40:18Yeah, totally understandable.
40:22Thanks again for going exclusive with me.
40:24Seriously, this talk is gonna be huge.
40:27I hope so.
40:27You deserve something good after what you've been through.
40:30How you holdin' up?
40:31Oh, I'm fine.
40:33I'm happy to have something to focus on.
40:35Well, when I've been through some scary times,
40:37I have been guilty of using my work as my therapy,
40:41but if there's ever a time you need someone to talk to...
40:44Thank you, really, but I already have a great therapist.
40:48One with zero history at Westview.
40:50Excellent.
40:50You know, there's still something I can't figure out.
40:54How did you know that the P.I. was working for Caroline McGrath?
40:59Oh, Bob told me while we were stuck in the lab.
41:03He got chatty once he opened up.
41:05I have that effect on people.
41:09We had to come back because our job isn't finished.
41:12This hospital has housed killers, evil experiments,
41:14and perhaps the supernatural.
41:16Our job as investigators is to collect and present questions
41:19and possibilities.
41:21Interpretation, however, solely belongs with you.
41:24Did Westview really?
41:33Should we check that out?
41:35I might be good.
41:37You know what?
41:39Me too.
41:42Oh, God!
41:46I'm very good at what I do.
41:49Nothing good comes without risks.
41:50I will drink to that.
41:54Hold on.
41:55Did you say arrow?
41:58An all-new tracker, Sunday on CTV.
42:04Damn it.
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