Killer Grannies - Season 1 Episode 06- Granny's Word v Granny's Word
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00:00Like an older, wiser best friend, who's always looking out for you.
00:05So if two grandmas are best friends, you'd think that almost nothing could go wrong.
00:11Think again.
00:12When Kay Young and Kathy Mock became sidekicks, somebody wound up dead.
00:21When I think of grandmothers, I think of a kind, sweet, elderly person who wouldn't hurt anybody.
00:27But knowing what I know now...
00:30It's completely changed.
00:32Two grannies call 911 to report that one of their husbands shot himself.
00:39That gun looked like it was staged there.
00:42We knew something was wrong.
00:45Could the victim's wife have a motive for murder?
00:49Kay Young was having financial issues.
00:51He had life insurance, and it's a pretty significant payout.
00:55A twist in the case also casts suspicion.
01:00Towards her friend and fellow grandma.
01:02Kathy has been acting differently since she's been spending time with Kay.
01:07We're thinking that Kay's possibly trying to use Katrin in one way or the other.
01:13Kay's lawyer pointed to Kathy as the culprit.
01:16And Kathy's attorney pointed the finger back at Kay.
01:21Everybody loves their grandma, and cases like this are like a once-in-a-generation type situation.
01:27Adair County 911 gets a call about a possible suicide at a farm on Penny Royal Road outside of town.
01:50In Ovinger, it's a small area, a small town, about 450 citizens.
01:57You pretty much know who everybody is.
02:00Once I got to the address, I encountered two females that were standing in front of the house.
02:06I did not know her personally, but Kay Young was the individual that I knew that lived there.
02:12And I did not know the other individual, who told me she was Kathy Mock.
02:17Ms. Mock was consoling Ms. Young.
02:21Ms. Young was very distraught.
02:22And they directed me to the barn area, and they said, he's over there.
02:28I asked, who is he?
02:31And Ms. Mock stated that the individual was Melvin Griesbauer, Kay Young's husband.
02:42You could tell she was upset herself.
02:45But Ms. Mock stated she was awoken by Ms. Young, who had heard a gunshot outside, and then they went to the barn area, and that's where they found him.
02:56It was called in as a suicide, so I went over to the body.
03:01He was laying on the ground, almost in a cross position.
03:06And there was a long rifle parallel to his body.
03:11And there was a large hole in his left cheek.
03:15I checked for a pulse, and Mr. Griesbauer was deceased.
03:21His body was still warm to the touch, so I knew that this incident had happened just a short time prior to my arrival.
03:31My partner came up to where I was, and then that's when we noticed the weapon.
03:37The lever on this .30-30 rifle was slightly forward, and the hammer was cocked to the rear, making this gun appear to be ready to be fired.
03:49My partner picked up the gun, and he stated to me that if we have a live round in this chamber, then we've got a big problem.
03:59Sure enough, there was a live round in the chamber ready to be fired.
04:02At that point, we knew something was wrong.
04:08It's not possible that Mr. Griesbauer would have been able to put a new round into that gun.
04:14We were concerned that maybe there was somebody else on scene besides us and the two ladies that were there.
04:23Miss Mock and Miss Young were taken to the house, and the sheriff and the chief deputy, everybody was getting on scene.
04:31So we cleared the area, and just inside the barn is where we located a spent .30-30 shell casing, about 10 feet from Mr. Griesbauer's body.
04:45Due to the body's location outside the barn in the field, if suicide had actually occurred, you would not think that the shell casing would end up inside of the barn.
04:55It would be close to the body.
04:57Beyond the gun, the gloves that he had on were very thick, Carhartt gloves that we struggled to get into the trigger housing of the weapon.
05:11That gun looked like it was staged there.
05:15That's when we definitely determined it was a homicide.
05:18Getting from homicide to who did it was the next issue.
05:21I wasn't sure to think, honestly, because it's not the cases we typically dealt with in this community.
05:30The cops are hoping that Kay and Kathy will give them the whole story, including why Kathy happened to be there that night.
05:39Kathy was just there visiting, staying in the guest bedroom on the second floor.
05:42Kathy was from Castle, Missouri, which is four hours from the Nauvintree area.
05:49Kathy and Kay became real good friends, and Kay became like a support system for her.
05:55If Kathy ever needed to get away or get a break, she would come and stay with Kay.
06:01Kathy, to me, came across as a frail, sweet lady.
06:05She definitely gave a grandmotherly vibe, had grandchildren, and just seemed like a very friendly, caring, loving person.
06:14She seemed to genuinely care about Kay and Melvin both.
06:19In a small town like Nauvintree, most folks know Melvin as Kay Young's latest beau.
06:26A Navy veteran and Army reservist, Melvin met Kay when he was 41.
06:31No matter that she was 10 years his senior, they were married a year later, in 2004.
06:39Shortly after their marriage, Melvin was shipped out to Iraq for a tour of duty.
06:45Melvin had done two tours of duty with the United States Army, and then came back here, became involved with the National Guard.
06:54He was a likable guy.
06:55He was never late for a formation or anything like that, never come in hungover or anything like a lot of the other young ones did.
07:03Everybody in town knows Kay, because her family has owned the 93-acre farm on Penny Royal Road for generations.
07:13I've known Kay Young since I was probably 12, 13 years old.
07:16I was on the junior fire department, and so through the emergency services field, I come to know her.
07:22As young, I had actually been a first responder, paramedic for a county fire.
07:29Kay's kind of had an interesting life.
07:31She'd been married several times.
07:33Kay had two children from her first husband.
07:38Kay was a good mother, and she was close to her children than her grandchildren.
07:41She was always friendly, very social.
07:43She seemed like a very nice, sweet grandmother.
07:45Kay started out as a nurse, and then became my life science teacher at the high school.
07:53Kay was more of a quiet, serious person, but she was well-liked.
08:00Kay doesn't just take care of her patients, students, and family.
08:05Kay did a side job breeding dogs.
08:08She would take them to dog shows and show them off.
08:12Her English bulldogs is what she was well-known for.
08:16She did real good at the dog business, and then the teacher thing was kind of like,
08:20okay, well, I'm here to make extra money.
08:22Melvin was working and helped Kay Young with the dog business, and then had horses on the side.
08:28I mean, I think just tried to live a very somewhat mundane life, I suppose, after being in the Army.
08:33He seemed excited to be here.
08:36I think he liked living out where they lived, you know, and I think he was happy.
08:41Kay informed us that Melvin was working a meatpacking plant up in Iowa.
08:47He would get off work at midnight.
08:49She would pick him up and bring him home, and they'd get home between 1 and 1.30.
08:52So it was a fairly routine life that they had.
08:56Kay Young stated when they came home, she went into the house.
09:00Mr. Greasebauer went to the barn area to feed horses, which was something that he normally did when he came home.
09:08Kay hears a gunshot.
09:10She goes upstairs to wake up Kathy.
09:13They do go up to the barn and see him laying there, and then they go back down and call 911.
09:20So Kay was telling us that Melvin had just got back from a deployment overseas and had been acting weird and depressed lately.
09:26We, even though we had already been up to the scene and knew, in our minds, it wasn't a suicide.
09:34We didn't tell them, you know, what we knew, but we were still just letting her tell her story.
09:41While we were talking to Kay, one of the things I thought was odd was Kay kept going to the kitchen counter washing her hands.
09:48And in my mind, I was like, maybe she's washing off gunshot residue or something like that, so we need to look into that.
09:58The cops take DNA from both women and test their hands for gunshot residue.
10:04None is found.
10:06But Kay's persistent handwashing and claims of suicide make them wonder if she's hiding something.
10:13Chief Logsdon pulls Kathy aside.
10:16I'm just trying to gain a rapport with her, just to see if her story's going to be the same without Kay there.
10:23We're just trying to determine if Catherine really knows anything, or if she's just an innocent bystander,
10:28because Kay could have just called her up here to have an alibi.
10:32Kathy's version of events from that night matches Kay's from beginning to end.
10:38Their stories were pretty well the same, but just as a trained law enforcement officer, their statements seemed to be rehearsed.
10:48Their stories were so in tune with each other, it just made you kind of question, is what they're telling us true, or is it the story they came up with?
10:57I don't think Kay looked like a martyr, but was she doing things that I thought was suspicious, like washing her hands, stuff like that, that definitely didn't add up?
11:06But there were so many weird things that came up and popped up throughout this investigation.
11:11It was a real weird, weird situation.
11:13According to Catherine's children, they were pretty confident that Catherine and Kay were having, like, a romantic-type relationship.
11:23It changed the potential involvement of Catherine Mock.
11:27It was kind of like a bombshell for us.
11:29While she's definitely involved in it, or Kay's possibly trying to use Catherine as the scapegoat and put it on her.
11:37Army veteran Melvin Griesbauer is dead, and Adair County Police suspect his wife, Kay, and her friend, Kathy, might have something to do with it.
11:51The cops searched the farm away from the crime scene for any clues that could be hiding in plain sight.
12:00We were doing a grid search, and just outside a window next to the foundation for the house.
12:05We had located a ski mask that appeared to have rubber gloves inside of it.
12:12You just kind of scratch your head, because why would anybody shoot somebody, take a mask off on your gloves, and put them in a place where law enforcement's going to find them?
12:20You know, those are the things that tip you off that this isn't unusual.
12:24The oddly placed mask and clearly staged gun prompt investigators to really turn the house over for anything else that looks fishy.
12:35Kay Young had given permission to search the house.
12:41You know, this house is a mess.
12:45When we're going through the office, we locate several items that are red flags as well that make you think this could lead to something.
12:52When you start running across life insurance policies and bank records, Kay Young was really having financial issues, and she's living outside her means.
13:05Did I think Kay had a dinner to kill Melvin for money?
13:10Possibly.
13:11You have to have an open mind on it.
13:15So we leave the crime scene, not enough information to arrest Kay, but we definitely leave knowing that she's our number one person of interest.
13:25The cops are careful not to tip their hand to Kay, or her agreeable friend Kathy, but they need more evidence, so they send the mask and gloves out for DNA testing.
13:38Meanwhile, the medical examiner confirms that Melvin's death was a homicide, and the tragic news spreads quickly.
13:48We were notified by the police that he had been murdered.
13:55He was gone.
13:57To be shot on your own property in a small town in northeast Missouri after serving your country deployed and everything else, for what?
14:03You know, why? There is no sense to it.
14:16There were not a lot of murders in northeast rural Missouri. It was very uncommon.
14:23Law enforcement knew that there was something unusual about the death, but they were keeping the cards pretty close to their chest as far as the investigation.
14:33The next day, the police get a surprising call. It's Kay Young, and she wants to change her story.
14:42Kay was saying that that night of the incident, Kathryn wasn't actually sleeping, that she was in the tub, crying.
14:49Kay implied that she had been having mental health issues.
14:52So when Kay Young changes the story and changed the possible involvement of Kathryn Mock, making it look that Kathryn Mock, it regrets that she was crying.
15:01We didn't know what to think. Definitely was a red flag. Like, she could have actually did it.
15:06Or Kay's possibly trying to use Kathryn as the scapegoat and put it on her.
15:12At this point in time, she probably knew that she was a suspect.
15:15Law enforcement decided they need to learn more about Kathy.
15:2252-year-old Kathy Mock lives in the Ozarks of southern Missouri with her husband, Butch.
15:30The cat was friendly and seemed like a perfect match for my brother, Butch.
15:37She used to be a truck driver when they first met, and Butch was a truck driver also.
15:45Later on, they took part of the hillside that they owned, leveled it off, and she started raising dogs.
15:53You know, it was like a kennel.
15:55And she was breeding them, you know, taking them around to shows.
16:00Now, Kat was married before Butch.
16:04She had two sons, and the boys had children, too.
16:09So she was a grandma.
16:12She was such a wonderful and helpful grandmother, always loving and doting on her three granddaughters.
16:19Kat and Butch were very happy.
16:22Just in the later years, there was a lot of suspicion between the two of them.
16:27Butch was driving a semi, and so he was spending a lot of time away from home.
16:33He suspected that she was messing around on him while he was gone.
16:40I don't think he really trusted her.
16:45Adair County cops interview one of Kathy's sons to find out more about what she's been up to.
16:52They're shocked when he spills a secret he's been keeping.
16:57Thomas Ponder, one of Katherine Mock's sons, told law enforcement his mother had come and approached him and asked if he knew anybody that would kill somebody for the sum of $10,000.
17:09According to Thomas, Katherine Mock had actually said that Kay Young was wanting to find somebody that could do that.
17:16It was kind of like a bombshell for us.
17:19We're already thinking that Kay's possibly trying to use Katherine in one way or the other, and it brought more to light that, wow, she's definitely involved in it.
17:29Kathy said she was concerned about Kay and Kay's marriage to Melvin.
17:36She said Melvin had been abusive toward Kay.
17:41Thomas said that he did not know of anybody, and that was basically the end of that conversation.
17:46So here's Katherine Mock, who isn't on anybody's radar, and all of a sudden she's questioning her own son about, do you know anybody that will kill somebody?
17:55This became a murder-for-hire situation.
17:58The money motive was pointing right at Kay as the killer.
18:03But was it possible that Kathy hired someone to do it?
18:06Or maybe she even took matters into her own hands.
18:10Before investigators can question Kathy about if or how she was involved, they find out they might be too late.
18:20We learned that Kathy had been hospitalized for attempted suicide.
18:29Adair County investigators are questioning how friend Kathy Mock is tied up in the murder of Kay Young's husband.
18:38When they find out that Kathy has been hospitalized for an attempted suicide.
18:45We're trying to figure out, is Katherine really the trigger person?
18:48Because why else would she try to take her own life?
18:51Kathy's friend, Jean Ballard, brought her to the hospital.
18:55So they asked Jean if she can piece together Kathy's recent activities.
19:00As far as events leading up to what it believed to be an attempted suicide of Katherine Mock,
19:06we knew that she had been in Kay Young's house in Divinger, Missouri, the night of March 22nd.
19:11In the early morning hours of March 23rd is when Melvin was shot.
19:16Katherine left Kay Young's house.
19:19She arrives at her friend Jean Ballard's house on March 24th with a bag of about 120 Vicodin pills.
19:27Jean Ballard tells law enforcement, Katherine arrives at her house with the pills and that she's going to take the pills to keep her out of trouble.
19:36Kathy told her friend that she had been given this Vicodin by Kay.
19:42Kay's plan was for Katherine to take these pills and get placed in a mental health institution in Missouri.
19:49It's a 96-hour hold.
19:51So I just would give her time to avoid law enforcement and not have to give her story again.
19:57According to Jean, Kay presented it to Kathy that this really won't hurt you, but it'll make you relax.
20:03It'll take away the stress of the situation versus the fact that if you took all this, you're gonna die.
20:08Jean said Kathy had made a statement about taking the pills.
20:12She doesn't take the entire bag like Kay wanted her to, but she didn't take enough to make it look like she was trying to attempt suicide.
20:20Kathy's friend takes the bag of pills from her and takes Kathy to the hospital.
20:26When we learned this, it did match when Kay changed her story to where Katherine was actually in the tub crying.
20:35In my opinion, it was laying the foundation for what was about to happen because she's clearly trying to pin this whole thing on Katherine.
20:43Kay, through manipulation, is trying to get Katherine to overdose on Vicodin.
20:49If it worked out like that, then Kay gets the life insurance money and, you know, her life goes on as normal.
20:56Now, all of a sudden, you really start thinking about Kay pulling the strings on Katherine Mox.
21:01The cops are convinced that Kay shot Melvin and coerced Katherine to cover for her,
21:08all while setting her friend up to take the fall.
21:11But then the DNA results from the ski mask and gloves show up.
21:16Plot twist.
21:18It's Katherine's DNA inside the mask.
21:23Based upon that, law enforcement obtained a search warrant of Katherine Mox's house.
21:28During that search of the house, a receipt was discovered from Walmart showing that Katherine Mox had, in fact, purchased that ski mask.
21:39And, you know, this is just a few days before Melvin dies.
21:43There was gun residue found on the synthetic gloves.
21:46And that really placed her as the shooter versus Kay Young at that point in time.
21:53Well, we were ecstatic. We couldn't believe it.
21:56But we were also kind of confused because we really thought it would be Kay's DNA instead of Katherine's DNA inside the mask.
22:04But we, for sure, know that Katherine is involved so we could move forward and get a warrant to arrest her.
22:11Katherine Mox seemed to be a very loving mother and grandmother.
22:15You just couldn't believe that she was involved in something like this.
22:18And so we wanted to talk to her.
22:20Why is she going downhill this way or down this path?
22:24Which is totally out of character for her.
22:26Investigators are finally able to question Kathy in the hospital.
22:32It's time to get the real story about who killed Melvin.
22:36Katherine states that she knows everything about the murder of Melvin Greespower.
22:42But after she's read her Miranda rights, she lawyers up, says, I want my lawyer.
22:47And at that point in time, we have to stop all the questions.
22:51They took Katherine into custody for murder in the first degree right from the hospital.
22:59We were like, this can't be it.
23:01We know at that point in time that Kay's not innocent.
23:04It just puts more pressure on you as investigators to actually figure out how to completely tie Kay into it
23:10and hopefully get Katherine to talk.
23:13We believe that both Kay Young and Kathy Mock were involved with this case.
23:18But we do not know who actually pulled the trigger.
23:22Deputies are now totally convinced that Kay used Kathy to do her dirty work.
23:28And here she is walking around free as a bird.
23:31As for Kathy, word of her arrest travels fast.
23:36I was just, I was floored.
23:39Kat was arrested.
23:41I called Butch and he started telling me.
23:45He left Missouri because he was worried.
23:48Butch had $200,000 in life insurance.
23:54But if he died accidentally, that was double.
24:00So Butch thought he was going to be next.
24:02I was leery about, well, maybe he's just overthinking this.
24:08When Kathy got arrested for killing that guy.
24:12It's like, okay, now I believe.
24:15Cops need more evidence against both of these entangled ladies.
24:21Especially anything that can prove Kay was driving the bus.
24:24As folks in town catch wind that both grannies are involved in Melvin's murder.
24:31Everyone's asking, what exactly is going on between Kathy and Kay?
24:37Kathy and Kay were not friends for very long.
24:40They had only known each other for about a year.
24:43They were both in the dog breeding industry.
24:47And Kathy was also a dog groomer.
24:49She bonded with Kay over their love of dogs.
24:54But friends and family tell law enforcement Kathy has been acting differently since she's been spending time with Kay.
25:03According to Katherine's children, they were pretty confident that Katherine and Kay were having like a romantic type relationship.
25:14Butch suspected that there was a relationship there.
25:17But it was all suspicion.
25:21He didn't have any proof.
25:23You're looking at all the scenarios like that they are having a romantic relationship.
25:28Is Kathy angry and jealous because Melvin's back?
25:33And now she's jealous and mad because now he's taking away the attention she was getting from Kay.
25:40But we never really did corroborate the level their relationship was at.
25:44It was fairly quick that we caught Katherine Mock just because we had DNA evidence.
25:51So it was easy with her.
25:52It was kind of a chess game with Kay Young.
25:55The only motive we ever could even truly try to piece together with Kathy is she really cares for Kay so much that she would do anything for her.
26:02Adair County cops are trying to prove that Kay Young was pulling the strings in her husband's murder and they're pretty sure her relationship with Kathy Mock tells at least part of the story.
26:20Friends and family say Kathy was very fond of Kay. Kathy looked up to Kay wanted to be like her and really thought of her as a good friend.
26:30But you don't really hear the same thing about Kay regarding Kathy.
26:35It seems like the friendship may have been a little bit one sided.
26:39What we really learned with Kathy was that people thought she was pretty impressionable.
26:48She was the type of person that was easily influenced with love and affection into doing things that she probably normally wouldn't do.
26:57Kay clearly has a dark side. Looking to prove that she's truly the mastermind behind Melvin's murder.
27:09The cops dig deeper into her past and shady relationship history.
27:15I met Kay at a young age and she was always real friendly.
27:19But the more mature and the older I got, I could see a different side.
27:23She would use her charm just to get something in her turn.
27:27Miss Young was kind of a mean person.
27:30She was kind of a bully type and she had been married numerous times.
27:38It was determined through online records that Kay had been, he's an adult friend finder, trying to have other relationships with other men before Melvin's passing.
27:48With four husbands already under her belt, it's clear that Kay was looking for a replacement already.
27:54Officers began to interview some of the men that Kay had made contact with on that site.
28:01They had reported some of the things she had said where she'd wished Melvin was dead.
28:05That she would kill him herself if she could.
28:07With Kay looking more and more like a black widow in the making, Melvin's coworkers revealed that their relationship and financial situation were even worse than investigators thought.
28:21Melvin had spoken to coworkers about his marital issues and he just really wasn't happy to be back home from deployment.
28:30Some information we gathered, they definitely had arguments over financial issues and her spending habits.
28:39You know, they'd had a bunch of bad debt and got the loan to cover the bad debt, but then they weren't covering those loans and she was just financially spiraling out of control.
28:49They found that she was on the verge of losing her farm and her dog breeding business.
28:58Only a week after Melvin's death, Kay is already trying to cash in on his life insurance policies.
29:04We were getting phone calls from the Derrick County coroner that Kay was calling, trying to get the death certificate released.
29:12That way she could file the insurance claims for Melvin's death.
29:16She needed to make payments and the money was not there.
29:20Initially we only knew about two life insurance policies, but there ended up being another one.
29:26I contacted the sheriff's office to give them the information about the insurance policy with the Army National Guard.
29:32He had life insurance. All soldiers have the option to have that and it's, it's a pretty significant payout.
29:41He had done two tours of duty and because of that his insurance was bumped to 600,000.
29:49She would have been totally aware of that. With him being deployed, you know, the spouses get a lot of briefings.
29:56We thought that might have been grounds for this crime.
30:00All together, Melvin had $1.2 million in life insurance policies.
30:07And so his death was the means of her getting out of the financial situation she was in.
30:14What mattered most to Kay was the farm. That farm had been in the family for years.
30:20Kay had went to great lengths to get the farm.
30:23So she definitely wasn't going to let go of the farm easily.
30:31It's not long before cops learned just how far Kay was willing to go.
30:35They're tipped off to a vicious rumor that spread through their small town six years earlier.
30:42If it's true, it proves Kay is definitely capable of murder.
30:47Her mother had been hospitalized and Kay had visited her.
30:53It came to light that Kay's mother signed a new will.
30:56The new one gave everything to Kay versus splitting it evenly amongst her and her siblings.
31:03So she got the family farm all by herself.
31:06Shortly after that incident, Kay checked her mother out of the hospital and took her home, saying that she would care for her mother there.
31:14Then shortly thereafter, the mother passed away.
31:19Kay's siblings were firmly convinced that Kay had unduly influenced their mother to give her everything in the will and to cause her death.
31:28If Kay could murder her own mother, then she could sure as heck be the one behind killing her husband.
31:36Rarely do you come across a woman like Kay.
31:39We needed to unravel the plan and catch Kay Young.
31:42Weeks into the investigation of Melvin Greasebauer's murder, the cops are convinced his wife, Kay Young, killed him to escape a mountain of debt.
31:57So while they stockpile evidence against this master manipulator, they try to stay one step ahead of her.
32:05One thing we definitely want to do is we worked at the coroner's office because we did not want Kay getting the death certificate.
32:09So the coroner did hold onto the death certificate so she couldn't just file those claims and those life insurance policies.
32:16She knew that she was a suspect and we just mainly didn't want her getting that money and possibly flee the area.
32:23One thing we found on Facebook was Kay Young bragging about how good she is with a 30-30 and how she's pretty good with a weapon.
32:34You have the murder weapon being a 30-30 lever action rifle.
32:37And in fact, the information we had about Catherine Mock using weapons is that she couldn't hardly shoot a gun and that she had no skills with shooting a weapon.
32:47So you take a Facebook post like that and if you're going to sit here and brag that you're a marksman basically with a 30-30, even though that doesn't give us enough to get a warrant, to me it became very evident that Kay Young was the one who pulled the trigger versus Catherine Mock.
33:02When you think back in the evidence found at the scene, the mask with the gloves inside of it, more than likely we're staged there by Kay Young.
33:12As time passed, Kay is thinking she's in the clear. She knows Catherine's not talking.
33:18For Catherine to essentially take these charges yourself, we were just amazed at the bond that those two could have built to keep such secrets.
33:30My priority at that time is to see if Catherine Mock will turn and tell us what really happened the night of March 23, 2006.
33:37We thought that Catherine would be kind of a weak link. But, you know, she sat there and never really said anything about Kay or Kay's involvement.
33:47She's charged with murder in the first degree, which, you know, can carry the death penalty here in Missouri.
33:52So you hope that that is the thumb on her head to tell us what really happened.
33:59Over the next two years, prosecutor Mark Williams meets with Kathy several times.
34:07But every time, she flat out refuses to reveal who shot Melvin.
34:12He decides it's time for an unorthodox approach.
34:15We had information that Catherine's son Jason was in custody in the Department of Corrections here in Missouri.
34:23I guess my theory was Jason is kind of a key to open the door to Catherine Mock's knowledge of everything that happened.
34:30So we did something highly unusual.
34:34We contacted the warden at the prison that he was being housed at, asking if we could have a visit to my office.
34:41At the same time, we'd bring Catherine Mock over to my office.
34:46And so the warden graciously agreed to this plan.
34:52So we got Jason brought over to the office.
34:55I sat down with him and said, I need you to go tell your mother.
34:58It's in her best interest that she tell us the truth.
35:01He agreed, so they met in my office.
35:05They were in there for by a good hour.
35:07When Jason came out, Catherine said she wanted to meet with us.
35:11Catherine Mock made it very clear that she was scared of Kay Young.
35:15She felt if Kay Young was arrested, put in a Dare County jail, that Kay Young would kill Catherine Mock.
35:22But ultimately, she gave us the information that we needed, that Kay Young is the individual who pulled the trigger and killed Melvin Greasefire with that rifle.
35:29Kay Young had orchestrated all this. Kay Young had told Cathy Mock what to do, but the pulling the trigger is what we needed and we finally got it.
35:40Almost two years to the date of Melvin's death, we were able to indict Kay Young and then officers went to try to find Kay.
35:51We just swooped in on her on the highway.
35:54And we were able to actually finally put cuffs on her for the murder of Melvin Rees-Mower.
36:03She was, of course, in shock, you know, adamant that she was innocent and couldn't believe that we were even still looking into her.
36:10This granny wouldn't be able to get by with the innocent act for long.
36:16As investigators search her car, they find a not-so-secret diary.
36:21She had been taking notes about what was going on.
36:24There was things that corroborated what we already knew, which was Catherine Mock taking the pills.
36:29And so it would look like Catherine wanted to die because she just killed somebody.
36:35They said offer $10,000 was turned down and use her drug state to convince her she killed him.
36:48Not very clever to keep those notes on you after you've conspired to murder someone.
36:53I mean, that was just another thing to seal the deal for us, that she knew exactly what was going on.
36:59She knew exactly what she did.
37:01She was just mapping it out for us in that little diary that she kept.
37:05Now we've got to get ready to bring the killers to trial.
37:09And they're pointing fingers at each other.
37:11The trial of Kay Young and Catherine Mock would be highly unusual.
37:22Two years after Melvin Griesbauer was shot dead, his wife Kay Young is arrested for plotting to kill him with her friend Cathy Mock.
37:32Novenger is a real close-knit community and we looked at Kay differently when she got arrested.
37:45The most shocking thing was how one person could be somebody you looked up to.
37:50And then realizing everything you thought you knew about them was completely wrong.
37:55I did see a picture of Kay and I was amazed at how much Kay and Cat looked alike.
38:05They just looked like typical run-of-the-mill grandmothers.
38:10You wouldn't suspect them.
38:12On March 13, 2012, Kay Young and Cathy Mock faced trial in St. Louis, Missouri for Melvin's murder.
38:23Kay and Cathy were charged together for conspiracy to commit murder-for-hire and first-degree murder.
38:28I believe Kay Young and Catherine Mock had a plan to do this to Melvin.
38:33And they took substantial steps to fulfill that plan.
38:37The prosecutor argued that Kay is the orchestrator of this plan.
38:43The prosecution claimed that Kay befriended Cathy and then began to tell her that Melvin was abusive and convinced Cathy to help her murder Melvin.
38:57Kay and Cathy hire separate attorneys and during the trial the two grannies turn on each other.
39:04Each one accuses the other of pulling the trigger.
39:09Kay's lawyer pointed to Cathy as the culprit, especially because the DNA evidence on the mask and the gloves were Cathy's.
39:19Cathy's attorney pointed the finger back at Kay, saying that she had orchestrated the murder plot and was responsible for Melvin's death.
39:28Kay Young and Cathy Mock were doing exactly what we wanted them to do.
39:32As a prosecutor, you can just sit back, put your feet up on the desk and go, look at it, ladies and gentlemen, the jury.
39:37Somebody's telling the truth.
39:39Obviously, the jury felt that they were both involved, like they were, and that Kay, you know, pulled the trigger.
39:45On March 19, 2012, Catherine Mock and Kay Young were found guilty of the murder of Melvin Greasefather.
39:53I believe Kay Young was, by far, the mastermind.
40:00To me, Kay Young was a very strong personality. Catherine Mock was a very timid lady.
40:06And I think Kay Young found her puppet.
40:08It also became clear what Kay Young had in store for Catherine Mock after the murder of Melvin Greasefather with the pills to make sure that Catherine Mock was not around to be a witness or a state's witness against her.
40:22Catherine Mock was a pawn, but she certainly wasn't a victim.
40:26She knew what was going to happen. She could have stayed at home. She could have called the cops, ratted on Kay's. There's a lot of things she could have and should have done that she didn't.
40:36Butch believed the whole thing was about insurance. Kill off both their husbands for insurance money and then go off and live happily ever after.
40:54It's a real weird dynamic between those two that whether they had a romantic relationship or not, I don't think it all ever come to the surface. Now they will probably never know.
41:08Both women were sentenced to life in prison.
41:12I felt that I had done my part to bring justice for Melvin and his family.
41:17We were floored. How could you be a loving grandmother and be able to stand there and pull the trigger on somebody just as they walk around the corner?
41:26I don't know what they were thinking, you know, because how did you think you were going to get away with it? The loving grandmas in prison.
41:35That's what it got them.
41:37When I think of grandmothers, I think of a kind, sweet, elderly person who, you know, wouldn't hurt anybody.
41:42But knowing what I know now, it's completely changed.
41:47Kay seemed to be charming and kind and sweet.
41:51But if you really knew Kay and knew exactly what she'd done, it's the complete opposite.
41:58I had a hard time believing Kat did it.
42:02It was really hard to deny the evidence. There it was.
42:06Everybody loves their grandma and you just never would think that they would go to the lengths of what they did to this man.
42:14I think that these two women will spend the rest of their life in prison and that's probably the best justice he could ask for.
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