The Graham Norton Show - Season 33 Episode 10- Kate Winslet, Jacinda Ardern, Alan Carr, Seth Meyers, Cat Burns
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00:00As well as starring in the poignant Christmas drama, Goodbye June, it is a very warm welcome back to Kate Winslet!
00:23Hello everybody!
00:25Hi!
00:26Hi!
00:27What is unlike you Kate?
00:29Well, I normally come a bit businessy and play it safe and I thought, you know what, it's Graham, I'm 50, I look amazing, go for it!
00:40Is there a lot of talcum powder involved in this thing?
00:43Actually no, slightly wishing there was.
00:45Okay!
00:46To be honest.
00:47Getting it off, you'll definitely wish there had been.
00:48I think so.
00:49Peeling towards.
00:50So, welcome back to Kate, welcome back to Alan.
00:54And for the first time, Seth and Jacinda, love to see you both.
00:57That's right.
00:58Very good.
00:59You fulfilled your promise to me when you were a guest on my show.
01:01Somebody said I'd said that to you.
01:02Did I really say you?
01:03Oh my god, you can't even remember the promise.
01:05No.
01:06You know, after you left the room, everybody said he won't remember a word he said to you.
01:11That's true.
01:12Yeah.
01:13But no, I'm glad I didn't break my promise.
01:15Yeah.
01:16Obviously I promised you'd be a guest on my show because I was a guest on your show.
01:18Yeah, and here we are.
01:19Here you are.
01:20I'm thrilled to be here.
01:21Well no, we're delighted you're here.
01:22And Jacinda, gorgeous to see you.
01:24Do you know what, it's just lovely to have a New Zealander on the sofa rather than on the
01:28red chair telling a vile story.
01:30I will admit that when your producer called, I did clarify which seat I would be in.
01:37Yeah.
01:38It feels like it's part of national service in New Zealand.
01:40You must go abroad and tell a story about shitting yourself.
01:42When you leave, we check your passport.
01:44We check that you've got a good set of yarns.
01:47But it's something about New Zealanders.
01:49They do tell a good yarn.
01:51They really do.
01:52And, you know, they're shameless as well.
01:55There's that.
01:57And Kate, there's a kind of New Zealand connection because you started your film career in New
02:02Zealand.
02:03Yes, I did.
02:04I did.
02:05The first film I ever did when I was 17 years old was filmed in New Zealand, directed by
02:08Peter Jackson.
02:09We were just backstage saying we're going to end up talking about Peter Jackson.
02:12Well, we are because before politics came a call in, you tried to work with Peter Jackson
02:17in New Zealand.
02:18I guess technically I did.
02:19I auditioned for...
02:20Did you actually?
02:21I did.
02:22Brilliant!
02:23Half of New Zealand auditioned just to be, and half of New Zealand's dad except for
02:29me.
02:30I did.
02:31What was it though?
02:32Too tall?
02:33What was the problem?
02:34That's what I told myself.
02:35I auditioned to be an extra as a hobbit.
02:38Because I lived, I grew up quite close to Hobbiton where they did all the filming.
02:45It's not a real place.
02:46It is.
02:47You didn't just believe it exists.
02:48I also believe it exists.
02:49Well, you're wrong.
02:50I know.
02:51I think it would have been fun if there was just one tall hobbit in the background.
02:56Well, as I recall, they had a five foot seven, you know, ruler against the doorway.
03:04And as I walked in, I just...
03:07Yeah.
03:08Pulling down a little.
03:09A little bit of limbo.
03:10I did a little limbo and then I got as far as the forms.
03:13And I do remember they asked, can you ride a horse bareback?
03:17And can you joust?
03:19Oh.
03:20And I could ride bareback because New Zealand.
03:23But the jousting I fell shy on.
03:25Also, I don't remember any jousting in that film.
03:27There wasn't.
03:28Obviously, nobody, everyone went, no.
03:32They needed at least two.
03:35Yeah.
03:36Now, Alan, I have to say, huge congratulations on Celebrity Traders.
03:40Oh.
03:41I mean, it was amazing.
03:42There you are.
03:43I love that picture.
03:46I love it.
03:48I did some extra filming for it and they went,
03:51Oh, Alan, do the face when I put the...
03:53Dude, that's my face.
03:54That's not a face.
03:55Do the face.
03:56And I knew because I watched the first episode
04:01and my phone was pinging and like, you know,
04:03when you're in the middle aisle at Lidl,
04:05when you're going to Greg's for the last sausage roll.
04:08I was being, yeah, manipulated.
04:11And I was saying, you know, you're on television a lot.
04:15And so you kind of think, I am known.
04:17But then being the star of the biggest show, the most talked about show,
04:23it must feel different.
04:24Yeah.
04:25I mean, people go, Oh, Alan, isn't he funny?
04:27I've been on telly for 25 years.
04:29I must have been awful.
04:31But you know the funny thing and they never kept it in.
04:35And I just felt really proud.
04:37Just like outwitting all these clever people.
04:39And Stephen Fry was at the round table and he went,
04:42Who can the traitors be?
04:45Now, remember the Cambridge spies.
04:47They were flamboyant.
04:48They were camp.
04:49They were out there.
04:50But no one spotted them.
04:51And I was obviously going, I know.
04:53And are you, are you tired of it yet?
05:00Or are you still sick of it?
05:02Well, you say sick of it.
05:04Oh, I know what you're saying.
05:05Yeah, we've got a clip of you out and about in Soho.
05:08Oh, please don't talk to me about celebrity traitors.
05:15When it pulls back, he's even got the lamp.
05:23We've got lots to talk about tonight.
05:28Let's get started with Kate Winslet's new movie.
05:30It is called Goodbye June.
05:32And it's in select UK cinemas from the 12th of December.
05:35And on Netflix from Christmas Eve.
05:38And this is a proper Winslet production.
05:41You star and you direct.
05:43But I think the most fascinating thing is that your son wrote this.
05:47And what strikes me is it's not a story you imagine a 19-year-old guy
05:52would want to write.
05:54No.
05:55So my wonderful son, Joe, when he was 19 years old,
05:59he applied to a screenwriting course at the National Film and Television
06:02School.
06:03Look, there he is.
06:04He's so sweet.
06:05And he has always been very passionate and really good at writing.
06:09And it's been a big part of his creativity.
06:11But that didn't necessarily mean that he was going to be able to write
06:13a screenplay.
06:14Yeah.
06:15So he did this six-month intensive course.
06:17And he was encouraged by a fantastic tutor to just write from the heart.
06:23And the most significant thing that had happened in his life was the loss of
06:26his grandmother when he was 13, my mum.
06:28And he was just so struck and moved by how we all came together for her and because we
06:35all came from this one woman.
06:37And so he used that just as a loose inspirational backdrop and created a fictional story about
06:43a messy, complex fictional family set at Christmas time.
06:48And so it's really a story about how a family do come together against sort of all odds in
06:54many ways because there are lots of family dynamics at play that are quite challenging.
07:00And they have to make it OK so they can make it good for this woman to leave them all behind
07:06knowing that they're all going to be all right.
07:08And it was just an extraordinary experience.
07:11And he'd written this script and he handed it to me and he was like,
07:13oh, you know, I've written this thing and it's probably not very good.
07:17Maybe you'll just read it.
07:19And then lie if you think it's crap, you know.
07:21And I read it and it was very much not crap.
07:24And I said, well, you've written a film and we're going to make it.
07:29And he's like, no, mum, don't do that mum thing.
07:35And I said, no, this is what we're going to do.
07:38He worked on it some more and Netflix showed some interest and we're like,
07:42oh, my God, it's real.
07:43And I suddenly realised I couldn't let it go.
07:45And so here I am 50 years old and I'm now a female director.
07:49And I'm very proud.
07:50Well done you. Very good.
07:55Well, the clip we have is you breaking the news about your mother's illness
07:59to one of your sisters played by Toni Collette.
08:02Toni Collette, yeah.
08:03Hi.
08:04I'm actually teaching my holistic dance therapy.
08:06So I can't really chitchat, but how are you?
08:08Helen, listen to me.
08:09Oh, my gosh, Julia.
08:10This class is so incredible for grief.
08:12There's this one man whose wife died because she slipped on an Ikea catalogue
08:17and fell down the stairs.
08:18I mean, how tragic is that?
08:20She was naked.
08:21Helen, listen, please.
08:22Stop. Stop.
08:23Just listen.
08:24Mum's gone back into hospital.
08:26What?
08:27Connor just called me.
08:28Oh, my God.
08:29She couldn't breathe and they're just trying to figure out what's gone on.
08:31I'm just heading out the house now, just leaving.
08:33Oh, my God.
08:34Right now.
08:35Okay, okay.
08:36Okay.
08:37Oh, God, breathe.
08:38She's at the Princess Mary, but I do actually think you should come if you can, I think.
08:41If you can.
08:42I'll just come straight there.
08:43I'll get a plane today and I'll bring some Florida water and sage to clear out Mum's room
08:48and some crystals for healing and I'll pick up some orange squash for her,
08:51because I know she loves it.
08:52Great.
08:53Bring some orange.
08:54Loves it.
08:55Bring some orange squash, definitely.
08:56Yeah, okay, great.
08:57Listen, you just let me know what time you get in.
08:58Text me.
08:59I can't believe it, so...
09:00I mean, can you tell me...
09:01Bye, bye, bye, bye.
09:02Fuck me.
09:08I mean, I'm going to totally go out there.
09:10You mentioned some of the other people in Andrew Risberg, Johnny Flynn, Timothy Spall.
09:13Timothy Spall, yes.
09:14Dame Helen Mirren, I hear she had some reservations or some doubts.
09:17So, it all went through proper channels and agents and I spoke to her on the phone
09:21and I told her the story and I said it was written by my wonderful son
09:24and I was going to direct it and she was listening and listening and she said,
09:28darling, I do have to stop you because actually I've got two personal rules.
09:33I will not play someone with dementia and I won't play someone who has got cancer.
09:38And I said, okay, absolutely fine, totally understand that, which I did.
09:42And I said, there's no need, I won't send you the script.
09:44She said, no, no, do send it, it does sound rather special.
09:46A week later, I get an email.
09:48She says, I'll break my rule.
09:49I'd love to support you.
09:51This is a wonderful, wonderful project.
09:53We got Helen Mirren.
09:55And she's great in the film.
09:57She really is amazing.
09:58She's wonderful, yeah.
09:59And I suppose as a director, you know, if you're directing people like Dame Helen Mirren,
10:03you know, that must make your job kind of easier.
10:06But then, as you say, you...
10:07Did I shit myself is what you're saying.
10:10In a ditch in New Zealand.
10:12There's a red chair waiting for you.
10:14Let's not get on to poo.
10:15You always get me on to poo on this show, Grant.
10:17Come on, back in the room.
10:18Back in the room.
10:19But no, the grandchildren, there's a lot of very young grandchildren.
10:23Yes.
10:24I mean, directing them must be like sort of herding cats.
10:26Oh, directing children is the greatest joy.
10:30There's this thing of never work with children and animals.
10:33Working with children is wonderful because children, children bring the joy.
10:37And I also have a theory about kids.
10:39Unless they are incredibly, incredibly gifted, actually, you can't teach children to act.
10:44But you can just show them how to be by creating an environment that feels really safe,
10:49really playful and encouraging.
10:50They were encouraged not to learn their lines.
10:53They were encouraged to make lots and lots of juicy mistakes.
10:56And I would sometimes say to them things like,
10:58Now, you see that hospital bed over there?
11:00I've hidden something in that bed.
11:01And your job in this part of the story is to just find what I've hidden in there.
11:05Haven't hidden a thing.
11:06The children never knew that we were rolling cameras.
11:09And so they were completely natural all of the time.
11:11We would just use hand signals and it was just amazing.
11:14And they loved it and they didn't want it to finish.
11:17And working with children, I mean, as you say, a lot of people say working with children is difficult.
11:21Jacinda, tell us when you discovered you were going to have a baby.
11:28The precise moment? The bathroom?
11:31Well...
11:32Well...
11:35In New Zealand, election night, it's not always clear whether or not you have been successful.
11:41So in 2017, I somewhat unexpectedly became leader of my party.
11:46Campaigned hard and on election night, didn't know whether or not we'd managed to clinch government.
11:53So we went into a period of negotiations and they take about two weeks typically.
11:57I was about three days shy of those talks concluding and finding out if I was the Prime Minister of New Zealand when I found out I was pregnant.
12:08Is that actually true?
12:09That's actually true.
12:10Oh my God.
12:11Um...
12:12You're even more amazing.
12:13I'm really glad you've gone there because you could say that's terrible planning.
12:19It was. It was.
12:20But women, we just get on with it, don't we? Come on.
12:22That's right.
12:23That's right.
12:24And it was just like that.
12:25You just had to take every day as it came because then three days later, live on the 6pm news, the minor party we were negotiating with declared that I would be the Prime Minister.
12:34And it was only me and my husband that knew that I'd do it while having a baby.
12:39So even when you were being sworn in...
12:40Oh my God, she is amazing!
12:43You are so amazing!
12:45When you were being...
12:46Well, I could probably add, he wasn't actually my husband at the time either.
12:50Even more amazing!
12:53I misheard and I thought you said it wasn't even my husband.
12:58Funny story.
13:00So it was awkward.
13:01It was awkward.
13:02Hilarious.
13:03But you weren't able to tell people by the time you were being sworn in.
13:08No.
13:09No.
13:10And at that point, by the time I was being sworn in and we had then a very official regal ceremony at Parliament to open up Parliament and the Governor-General comes in and gives a speech from the throne.
13:24And for that moment, she faces all of Parliament and then I sit next to her on this side facing out the Leader of the Opposition here.
13:32The entire Judiciary, leaders of the Armed Forces, very, very regal.
13:38And the entire time, I'm thinking, I'm absolutely going to throw up.
13:44And I'm clocking where my exits are.
13:46I even started thinking, would anyone believe I just had a bad kebab?
13:50Thankfully, thankfully, thankfully, I got through and I got through 20 weeks without telling, without telling people.
14:00Wow.
14:01That's amazing.
14:02I got a lot of flowy blouses inside.
14:05And because Seth, your wife, it wasn't morning sickness, but on your wedding day was nearly spoiled.
14:11Yeah, she had food poisoning and we were at our rehearsal dinner and then she felt terrible.
14:18And she said, I don't feel well.
14:20And I said, it's, trust me, it's just wedding jitters.
14:23That thing when, like, a man with no experience just is very certain of what's happening.
14:29Having gone to zero days of medical school, I'm like, trust me, it's just wedding jitters.
14:32You're very nervous about marrying.
14:34Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:35And you have every right to be.
14:37No, but she's like, I think I have food poisoning.
14:39I'm like, I promise you, it's just jitters, it's wedding jitters.
14:42And then, you know, we did sleep in separate beds in different places the night before our wedding as per tradition.
14:47And then in the morning, I called her.
14:49I'm like, so how are you doing?
14:50She's like, I am in the emergency room.
14:51I do have food poisoning.
14:54But it was the one thing that was so lovely is that we had, she really wanted to do a rehearsed first dance.
15:01And we're both really terrible dancers.
15:03And we had like gone to a whole like dance class with a, you know, personal instructor.
15:08And even the instructor who started by saying, look, anyone can be a dancer as long as you're in love.
15:13And at the end of the first hour was like, hum.
15:18And I remember like the night of, you know, at the wedding, because she did tough it out and, you know,
15:23it was on an IV and she rallied the way women do.
15:26And she goes, I just don't think we can do the first dance.
15:29And I remember being like, oh, thank God.
15:31Thank God you ate a bad oyster.
15:33Because Alan, where were you?
15:37Was it Mexico?
15:38I got Montezuma's revenge.
15:39Have you heard that?
15:40Yeah.
15:41Oh my God.
15:42I had that.
15:43What did you do?
15:44What did you do to Montezuma?
15:45I know.
15:46Listen, it was so bad.
15:47And this sounds like a made up story, but it's true.
15:49Have you heard of Palenque where all the Inca monuments are?
15:52I felt, oh my God, I'm going to chip myself.
15:55And then I ran and got some water.
15:58And as I came out the bushes, there was a marathon there.
16:02And a woman ran past, took my bottle of water and tipped it over her head.
16:05She thought I was one of those people.
16:07Yeah.
16:08Oh no.
16:09I was so dehydrated.
16:12And can I say, Hotel Capri in Acapulco, they refused to give me more toilet paper.
16:17Oh.
16:18Oh, that's not nice.
16:19No, Mr. Khan.
16:20No, Mr. Khan.
16:21No, please.
16:22Indeed.
16:23Do you remember that finger boy?
16:24Do you remember that finger boy?
16:25Do you remember the finger boy?
16:26The finger bus is coming.
16:27Oh, the finger boys.
16:28I think we're saying the finger boys.
16:30The finger boys.
16:31That is short of Montezuma's revenge.
16:32I always said finger boys as well.
16:33I always said finger boys as well.
16:34You're the one.
16:35You're the one.
16:36You're the one.
16:37I remember.
16:38Use this.
16:39I remember just laying next to the toilet and it was coming out both ends and I was just staring
16:45in.
16:46How could it get worse?
16:47And then this party boat came round.
16:49The finger boys are coming.
16:52Fuck you.
16:54That's right.
16:55APPLAUSE
16:57Kate, we must also remind everybody that we'll be seeing you soon in the third instalment
17:03of Avatar.
17:04Correct.
17:05Yes.
17:06This one's called Fire and Ash.
17:08I know.
17:09It doesn't look anything like me.
17:10Every time I see myself in Avatar, I'm like, oh, that is actually me.
17:13No.
17:14They do make you go and do it.
17:15Yes.
17:16Yes.
17:17Absolutely.
17:18But you can tell it's me from my top lip, I think.
17:20And because they've kept my beauty mark, which is nice.
17:23I mean, it's not animation.
17:24It's proper motion capture.
17:26But this time, no holding breath underwater.
17:28No, there was quite a lot of that as well still.
17:30Oh, really?
17:31And there was a bit of underwater fighting in this one.
17:33But I can't really say anything.
17:35No.
17:36You're going to have to see it.
17:37Well, people can find out on the 19th of December.
17:40Avatar, Fire and Ash is on the 19th December.
17:42And don't forget Kate's film Goodbye June.
17:44That is in cinemas from next Friday.
17:46Very good.
17:47Now, Jacinda Ardern brings us a truly extraordinary documentary about her time in office.
17:58It's filmed over seven years.
18:00It's called Prime Minister and it's out in cinemas today.
18:03And before we talk about it, here's just a taste of the trailer.
18:07I think I have natural levels of anxiety for someone who's 37 years old and who's also
18:13pregnant.
18:14Every time I got on a plane, I would look out a window and I would think, from that mountain
18:19to that river, that is my responsibility.
18:22Oh, this is normal.
18:23I have three years to do as much as we can.
18:28But in the back of my mind, I thought, how am I going to do this with a baby?
18:33I just feel sorry for myself listening to that because I just have no idea what's coming.
18:38Absolutely no idea.
18:40There were two groups on the island.
18:42Those who were evacuated and those close to the eruption.
18:45We only have six cases at the moment.
18:48This can only be described as a terrorist attack.
18:52Crises make governments and they break governments.
18:55If things went wrong, it was my job to fix it.
18:58Wow.
19:03It obviously turned into this amazing story.
19:08But as you said there, you know, you didn't know what was coming.
19:11So when you started filming this at the beginning, all those years ago, what did you think the
19:15film was going to be?
19:17Not this.
19:18That's for sure.
19:19My now husband is a broadcaster.
19:23And so when he was in close proximity to all of these things suddenly happening,
19:28he thought, well, I should capture this.
19:31And I think only he could have, you know, helped create what it now is because
19:37I would never have otherwise let someone film me as consistently in my pyjamas.
19:44Or my bathrobe.
19:45Or at home and behind the scenes.
19:47And it's created, I hope, you know, a story that shows what it's like to lead.
19:53And I hope also a story that says that you can lead differently than perhaps the way we see in the world today.
19:59Yeah.
20:00I mean, there are times when you're quite tetchy.
20:03There are times when you wish Clark would stop.
20:05You make that sound like that doesn't happen often.
20:08It's the bulk of the footage.
20:10Yeah.
20:11And that's because we never had any intention about what would happen with the footage.
20:14You know, I was doing in New Zealand, we have this great project where archivists call politicians and interview them.
20:21And they've been doing it for decades.
20:23So I was recording these interviews.
20:25And that was another reason he thought, well, I'll put some footage in as well.
20:28But without a clear idea of what would happen with it.
20:31And I think that was positive, too, because otherwise I would, I don't think I would have been as open otherwise.
20:37And so, obviously, the thing that kind of brought you to global attention was your response to COVID, where you shut the borders, the quarantine, you got it down to zero cases.
20:45Yeah.
20:46And initially, obviously, incredibly popular in New Zealand, you had this landslide election victory.
20:50Yes.
20:51Yeah, we did.
20:522020, it was almost, the election then was almost like a, like an election in the middle of a war of sorts.
20:58It's how it felt in some ways.
21:00And so it was an unprecedented victory, but it never felt like victory.
21:05I kind of thought, okay, people want us to keep going.
21:08And so we did, but it got harder.
21:10Yeah.
21:11I mean, we were certainly aware of what New Zealand was doing here.
21:13In America, were they aware of?
21:15Very much so.
21:16You know, people were lucky enough, I think, everybody wanted to go there.
21:20You know, that was the place everybody wanted to be.
21:23And yeah, I mean, certainly we were jealous.
21:25Anytime, you know, you saw a ticker that there was a country with zero cases, that seemed like a job well done.
21:30Yeah.
21:31You know, the New Zealand, Immigration New Zealand website after a couple of particular elections in the US has crashed.
21:37Yeah.
21:38I would imagine.
21:39Yeah.
21:40People looking into it.
21:41Everybody was like, are they doing, can I be an extra?
21:43Are you still looking for a hobbit?
21:44That's it.
21:45Yeah.
21:46So it began, it began very well.
21:48And people in New Zealand were happy with what you were doing.
21:51And then as time went on, cracks began to appear.
21:54We've got a second clip from the documentary.
21:56I just don't understand how anyone could assume that I'm so cavalier about having a whole city and over a million people in lockdown.
22:07Of course, I think about it all the time.
22:10I have to take sleeping pills so I don't think about it all the time.
22:13My question is to the Prime Minister.
22:22Does she accept estimates that New Zealand's economy will shrink by 10% this year, while Australia's will fall by less than five?
22:33Mr Speaker, as I've said, I've heard a range of...
22:36She doesn't.
22:38I'm sorry.
22:39Why something?
22:40Order, order.
22:41The Prime Minister of Blue Bridges yelled across the house, she doesn't do the economy.
22:46I wanted to punch him in the face.
22:54And the...
22:57I mean, the answer might be obvious, but why was that comment so annoying?
23:01You know, because at that time, of course, we were focused on both and our view was that a...
23:06You know, a response on COVID that focused on keeping people alive
23:09was also the best response for the economy as well.
23:13I should add, I'm not a violent person.
23:17And we did get through, and so many of the things
23:20that they predicted may happen, we managed to prevent.
23:23It was hard, but I still feel proud of that.
23:25And negative voices began to get louder,
23:27and there is still this very kind of vociferous group in New Zealand
23:31who feel very strongly about you.
23:33What went wrong?
23:35What was the tipping point?
23:37I think, you know, one thing, and again, of course,
23:39we all take responsibility for our own time in politics and in office,
23:44and so I say this next thing not to diminish that,
23:48but I think we have seen politics globally shift gears.
23:52And I think we have seen politics, you know,
23:56carry a lot more grievance from individuals,
23:58and it's in some ways become more violent and aggressive.
24:00So, you know, I don't think it was just any one leader
24:04that it's experienced that shift.
24:05It has shifted.
24:07And yet, in amongst all of that,
24:09I do think we're in a moment in time.
24:11And I think in response to that moment in time,
24:14my plea is for people to not give up on an expectation
24:17that politics can be better.
24:20That expect decency in politics,
24:22expect empathy and kindness in your politics,
24:24and I do think that we'll return to that as well.
24:26I hope that bitterness never comes to the state.
24:29Yeah.
24:30Yeah.
24:32And, and Casinda...
24:33Are you worried that this documentary,
24:38anyone watching it will think,
24:39dear God, I'm never going into politics?
24:42I do get asked the question,
24:43would you ever recommend it to a young person?
24:46Absolutely, I would.
24:48And, you know, look, the documentary captures the big moments.
24:52Yeah.
24:52But there was so much joy in between, so much joy.
24:56What other job, if you're, you know,
24:58if you're a do-gooder like I can be sometimes,
25:02where you see a problem in the world
25:03and you've got the power to do something about it,
25:05what other job do you get that gift?
25:07So I would absolutely recommend politics to good people,
25:13and we need more good people in there, so...
25:16And will you go...
25:16Don't shy away.
25:17Are you going to go back into politics?
25:18No, no, I mean...
25:21LAUGHTER
25:22It's a great job, Karen.
25:24Do as I say, do as I say.
25:27To be fair, I did it for 15 years.
25:30OK, fair enough.
25:31I think I did my...
25:33Yeah, thank you.
25:33How young were you when you got into politics?
25:35I was, well, when I went into Parliament, I was 28.
25:38Wow, that's amazing.
25:38Yeah, so I feel like I did my shift.
25:40All right, all right.
25:41And now it's for the next generation.
25:43But listen, it is a fascinating watch.
25:46It really, really is.
25:48Cindy's documentary, Prime Minister, is in cinemas now.
25:51OK.
25:52Right.
25:54APPLAUSE
25:54We turn to Mr Seth Meyers.
25:58Oh, thank you.
25:58The award-winning host of Late Night with Seth Meyers.
26:02You can see it here in the UK on weekends on CNBC.
26:06So...
26:07Based on that, you don't watch it.
26:08LAUGHTER
26:09C-N-B-C.
26:12This can't be right.
26:13C-N-B-C.
26:13An artist.
26:14No, no.
26:15C-N-B-C on the channel.
26:17C-N-B-C.
26:17I was thinking it sounds like a children's channel.
26:20Yeah.
26:21Well, thanks for the support, Graham.
26:23LAUGHTER
26:24It's also available on YouTube.
26:26Yeah, yeah, that's easier, yeah.
26:27Well, if you go to America, you can be on it.
26:29Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:29Perfect.
26:30Worked out for you.
26:30Yeah, yeah.
26:31It's a celebrity talk show.
26:34It is.
26:34It is a celebrity talk show, like this.
26:36But once a year, Seth Meyers, you break your booking policy.
26:40Oh, yes, I have my...
26:41Well, once a year on Thanksgiving, it's very hard to book, obviously, on Thanksgiving.
26:45And so when I started my show, I started with my parents and my brother are on every year.
26:50And it's very lovely.
26:51But then this year, we went a little bit further, and I had my children on the show, who are young.
26:56They're 9, 7, and 4.
26:58Wow.
26:58And I did not tell them they were going to be on the show.
27:01I gave them no warning, because I thought they would get stressed.
27:04They were actually in the building to take their Christmas card photo.
27:07And I just sort of low-key said, let's just have three microphones ready.
27:11And we pre-taped it a week early.
27:13But after our first guest that night was Cynthia Erivo, and the kids had finished their photo.
27:18And I go, just come out.
27:19Daddy's going to ask you some questions.
27:20And it was six minutes.
27:23It's the most white-knuckle interview I've ever done.
27:26From the bottom of the hook cliff, here's Seth and the Meyer children.
27:30Yeah.
27:30Well, how did you guys, uh, did you get here by, uh, in a car or a subway, Axel?
27:34Car.
27:35Gotcha.
27:35What about...
27:36Subway.
27:36You took the subway?
27:37Addy.
27:38We came at different times.
27:40You came at different times?
27:41Addy, did you like the subway?
27:43Yeah, the subway, uh, smelled like diarrhea.
27:46So cute.
27:47Yeah.
27:48You see, children bring the joy.
27:58That's really good.
27:59Children bring the joy.
28:00My oldest was the one who was the most, I think, um, had the most anxiety about doing
28:05it.
28:06And as we walked off, he just, like, took my arm.
28:07He goes, that was great.
28:08We should do it again soon.
28:10Very much.
28:11And they just, like, got the bug.
28:13Is that the son who thinks he's going to inherit the show?
28:15Yeah, my son said to me once, he goes, Dad, I have a question.
28:18I said, what's your question?
28:19He said, when you die, do I get your show?
28:22And I'm like, based on the diarrhea answer, your sister gets the show.
28:27And I said, before the talk show, in America, you were very famous because of, of course,
28:32Saturday Night Live.
28:33Yeah.
28:34There you are.
28:35I think we get up here.
28:36My friend Amy Collin.
28:37Amy Collin.
28:38Amy Collin.
28:39Kate was on when I was on the show.
28:40Can I just say, when I was on, it was absolutely terrifying.
28:42I think it's terrifying for everybody.
28:44You're allowed to quickly tell the story.
28:45Yeah.
28:46Even though this is totally unplanned.
28:47No, go.
28:48When I was on, it was the week after Ashley Simpson was done for lip syncing.
28:53Yes.
28:54I'm then on with Eminem, OK?
28:56I was doing publicity for a film called Finding Neverland at the time, and Johnny Depp
29:00and I had to miss the Wednesday rehearsal because we had to go to Chicago and talk to Oprah.
29:04And I'm thinking, oh, my God, what's the opening monologue going to be?
29:07I get to Wednesday night, come back from the Oprah thing.
29:10Still, they're like, well, we're just, you know, trying to figure it out.
29:12I'm like, just please tell me.
29:14It's, you know, it's a couple of days away, just what you're going to have me do.
29:18The next day, I go in and they're like, can you sing?
29:21And I said, a little, you know, ish, kind of.
29:24Do you dance?
29:25I'm like, I mean, yeah.
29:26Like, do you tap dance?
29:27I'm like, yeah, yeah, I do.
29:28They're like, perfect.
29:29I'm like, so what's the opening monologue?
29:31I'm like, we'll get back to you.
29:32I'm like, oh, my God.
29:33Now what's happened to me?
29:34This is absolutely terrible.
29:36They gave me 24 hours to learn.
29:38Nothing's impossible, I have found for women.
29:41I'm tap dancing and singing fully live the week after the whole Ashley Simpson thing.
29:46And also, I have to say something else, and this is a story I've never, never told.
29:50Eminem asked me to shave his bottom.
29:52There's always a much.
29:55There's always a much.
29:56There's always like a poo bum fiend for me when I come on the show.
29:59Was it with a hand-held razor?
30:01Well, he did.
30:02He said, would you shave my butt?
30:03And I said, I'm sorry, I don't, I don't do personal grooming.
30:06Like, what?
30:07I'm not going to go with a bick and get your crackler.
30:10I was like, honestly, that's my, never told that story before ever in my life in public.
30:16There you go.
30:18And can I say, should have said yes.
30:21Well, the door's open.
30:22I should have said yes.
30:23No, no, no, no.
30:24When she said no, I did say yes.
30:30I was early in the show, I would do anything.
30:33Was that tip, is that typical that hosts get stuff really late?
30:36Yes.
30:37It speaks to the legacy of the show that people keep sort of opting into the, the terrifying week that it is.
30:42But I think if you were, you know, if we didn't have kind of a little bit of fear, I think like even you, like we wouldn't, we wouldn't do any of this.
30:49Because I think the fear motivates you.
30:51Why are you looking at me like that?
30:52I don't know what you're talking about.
30:53He looks terrified.
30:54Look at the terror, look at the terror in his eyes.
31:01I lost fear in about 1997.
31:03We did have a, we used to say like whenever a host wasn't nervous, we knew the show was about to be a disaster.
31:10Hello.
31:11We wanted.
31:12Honestly.
31:13Exhibit A.
31:14I was married, I was married to Sam Mendes at the time, Joe's dad.
31:18And I said to him, please don't, please don't come.
31:20Just, just, just don't.
31:22It's really fine.
31:23I don't need you to come.
31:24He's like, no, okay, fine.
31:25He bloody well came.
31:26I walked through the doors at the back and I go like this.
31:30And all I see is Sam sat there going.
31:32Oh my God.
31:33It was really horrifying actually.
31:34It was horrifying.
31:35And your connection with SNL continues because you do a podcast.
31:39Yes.
31:40The, yeah.
31:41Yes.
31:42With Andy Samberg.
31:43Kate's co-star in Lee.
31:44Oh yes.
31:45Cause you, yes.
31:46Old Andy.
31:47Yeah.
31:48He's wonderful.
31:49He was in Lee with you.
31:50Yes.
31:51He was indeed.
31:52He's a great guy.
31:53Andy Samberg.
31:54Is he your friend?
31:55He's one of my oldest, dearest friends.
31:56Yeah.
31:57But what's the thing?
31:58And I don't want to make you.
31:59Yes.
32:00But I know your, your dog died.
32:01Yeah.
32:02My dog.
32:0314 years old.
32:04Frisbee.
32:05Yeah.
32:06And Andy Samberg.
32:07He hated that.
32:08Yeah.
32:09So.
32:10He hated my dog and he met my dog when she was a puppy.
32:15And he said on the day he met her, she's a ugly rat dog.
32:18And then every single time he came on my show, he basically would just say, how's Frisbee
32:23that piece of shit.
32:24He would love to say that.
32:25Yeah.
32:26No.
32:27Right.
32:28He's a bad guy.
32:29But, um, he, he basically doubled down and doubled down.
32:32I mean, having your kids on, I guess.
32:35Yeah.
32:36But.
32:37The dog, I will be honest, the dog was not as, as electric as the kids.
32:42But it was like, Andy leaned into the, he's not even looking at you.
32:49No.
32:50Yeah.
32:51No, Frisbee wasn't a good desk, but he really just doubled down on the comedy of hating my
32:56dog.
32:57And then, uh, I kept saying like, you know, this dog is 13 years old and are you, do you
33:01think you can weather the storm of hating a dog that recently passed?
33:04And he goes, I'm going to ride it out.
33:06And then I will say when Frisbee passed away, I called up Andy and I'm like, well, that awkward
33:11day has come.
33:12And he's like, I'm really sorry.
33:13How are your kids?
33:14I'm like, everybody's okay.
33:15I'm, I am going to still publicly say she was a rat dog.
33:19And the New York Times, it was the, I mean, I have it framed because the New York Times
33:23wrote an article that said Seth Meyers' dog and Andy Samberg's nemesis passes away.
33:29And I'm like, I cannot believe the most famous thing about my dog is that you hated her.
33:33Because Alan, you've got a new dog.
33:36Yes.
33:37Yes.
33:38I got a rescue dog and she's completely deaf and she was meant to be a guard dog.
33:43And of course she's dumped and she's deaf.
33:45So they gave me a lead, which says I am deaf on it.
33:48So I'm walking around the park and people are going, what's her breed?
33:52And I know the dog is deaf.
33:57And I start mouthing the dog.
34:01And she's got like a bright collar because she's got no recall.
34:07She's got bells.
34:08It's like taking a UFO for a walk.
34:10She's glowing all around the park.
34:13I don't know how I would react differently knowing a dog is deaf as a person just walking
34:18past you in a park.
34:19That's deaf for cheese, for dogs.
34:21Oh, okay.
34:22What?
34:23That's what the woman said, cheese.
34:26That's deaf, that woman said that's deaf, the deaf dog, cheese.
34:30Okay.
34:31That's deaf for dogs.
34:32Yeah.
34:33That's all you can say to your dog is cheese.
34:35Is that to send her out to the store?
34:38Cheese.
34:39Also it seems like if the dog wants cheese, they would need to sign it to you.
34:45Look, it's a new dog, don't give me stress.
34:49I like that's the one word.
34:53I'll give you cheese.
34:55You can work out the rest yourself.
34:57There you go.
34:58I'll be fine.
34:59Seth, it is so great to have you on the couch.
35:02I'm so happy to be here.
35:03Don't forget, you can watch Late Night with Seth Meyers weekends on CNBC.
35:07Oh, wow.
35:08You know.
35:09I'm on it.
35:10I'm on it now.
35:11You know.
35:12Yeah.
35:13Meanwhile, Alan Carr is back on the road for his new tour.
35:19It's called Have I Said Too Much.
35:22But we should say, tickets are on sale, I think, today.
35:25Yes.
35:26But it'll be a while before they can go.
35:28Yes, 2027.
35:30I'm a slow writer.
35:31I'm a slow writer.
35:32Do you know what I was going to call the show?
35:37National Traitor.
35:38Ooh.
35:39But, you know, I've got to stop milking it.
35:44I've got to let it go, ain't I?
35:46If I die, I'll be like, oh, look, there's that bloke who wore that cloak.
35:50That's what they're going to say.
35:52So, you know.
35:53Better than being Andy Samberg's nemesis.
35:55Yeah.
35:56Now, your last tour to go all over the world, did you end up in New Zealand?
36:01Yes.
36:02New Zealand, Australia.
36:03Now, what's that hotel in New Zealand which you can bungee jump off the top?
36:08Oh, that's in...
36:09Oh, that's in Auckland.
36:10That's in Auckland.
36:11Auckland, it's in Auckland.
36:12Was it the Sky Tower?
36:13Yes.
36:14They can bungee jump off the top of the hotel.
36:16I'm there unpacking.
36:18I'm seeing people screaming.
36:20Ow!
36:22Ow!
36:23And then I see them come back.
36:25I'm like, how shit is this hotel?
36:27Oh, my God, I wanted a double bed.
36:31So, yeah, I mean, I always stay there.
36:36It must be the Sky Tower.
36:37Yes, yes, yeah.
36:38So, I always go everywhere and, um, yeah, I love it.
36:42I love it.
36:43There's no theme.
36:44There's a little bit about me being single, but traitor stuff and stuff.
36:47I never have themes.
36:48I just...
36:49When my notebook is full of jokes, I just go on tour.
36:51I just do it every three years.
36:52I love it.
36:53I just love the freedom of it all.
36:54Yeah.
36:55And, obviously, people will want you to talk about, uh, celebrity traitors.
36:59And were you, no offence, but were you as surprised as everyone else when you won?
37:05When I laughed in their face.
37:08I'm a faithful!
37:09I really thought when I go round that table, they're all just going to say, Alan, Alan, Alan.
37:13Yes.
37:14But they didn't.
37:15Are they stupid?
37:16Are they so stupid?
37:17And then I started crying because it was Nick Muhammad's face.
37:21He was like, we got this.
37:22We got this.
37:23And I'm like, no, I've got this.
37:24Have any of you seen this?
37:25The celebrity traitors?
37:26I've not seen this season, no.
37:27No.
37:28I saw the eight-minute sizzle reel.
37:29Me too, and I saw Celia Emery fart.
37:30Oh, my God.
37:31I was changed to her.
37:32I couldn't move.
37:33And you have to talk about Paloma because she did not find it funny.
37:36No.
37:37No.
37:38Has she got over it?
37:39And I saw her yesterday.
37:40We did some silly sketches and stuff like that.
37:41But, you know, like I saw her yesterday and I saw her yesterday and we did some silly sketches
37:46and stuff like that.
37:59that but you know like I said to her I said it's a game it's called the traitors
38:04it's like going on like you know what's it called naked attraction and saying
38:08what I've got to take my knickers off a picture of you and Paloma last night oh
38:14wow
38:17I think I know who you're being
38:21I could not get that foundation off
38:25yes they are friends that's just smiling it's Claudia Winkleman yeah I had a
38:32feeling
38:34I've got a question how do they as a TV show how do they inform you that it's
38:40going to be you before the show how does that all you sit there okay I'll show
38:45you yeah go on oh my god you're blindfolded this is Claudia
38:55yes did you not nearly have a heart attack well you clearly haven't seen
39:04it I went I nearly chewed from my lip with panic
39:13you never really have a really cheap white wine
39:16do you really not know before that moment at all
39:19no and you don't know who it is and then you go into the turret and you go and
39:24there was Jonathan Ross there in car and then I watched about I didn't realize how
39:28loud I was cuz I've done my first murder and I said to Jonathan I've done it
39:38I am inside voice I think we need a new hit man
39:47loads for you to talk about in your new show so get writing it a reminder
39:52tickets for Alan's upcoming tour of I said too much are on sale now hey it is
39:58time for music and this mercury prize nominated singer songwriter also murdered
40:02her way to the final of celebrity traders here performing there's just
40:06something about her it is Kat burns
40:18let me tell you about a girl I don't really do this but I can't keep it to
40:24myself she turns every head in the room oh god she's something else I lose all my
40:30composure this ain't nothing but I felt I need some help cuz I'm sure how you do it in my
40:42thoughts intrusive living free in my mind there's just something about her I can't put my finger on it but every time she looks at me can't help it I just pan it
41:00understand you're so perfectly made it's like oh she had a plan have I missed my
41:24chance with you I'm trying to keep it cool but I do anything I can I must sound like a fan
41:31I must sound like a fan cuz I'm sure how you do it in my thoughts
41:38intrusive living when free in my mind there's just something about her I can't put my finger on but every time she looks to me I can't help it I just pan it
41:49There's just something about her
41:51I can't put my finger on it
41:54But every time she looks at me
41:56Can't help it, I just panic
41:58There's something about her
42:00And I wonder if she knows it
42:02Cause I lose all ability to talk
42:05It's like she's magic
42:06There's just something about her
42:08Something about me
42:12There's just something about her
42:16You do something to me
42:26I lose it like a groupie
42:28You do something to me
42:30I'm never like this
42:32Usually you do something to me
42:34I lose it like a groupie
42:36You do something to me
42:39I can't put my finger on it
42:43But every time she looks at me
42:45I can't help it, I just panic
42:47There's something about her
42:49And I wonder if she knows it
42:52Cause I lose all ability to talk
42:54It's like she's magic
42:56There's something about her
42:58You do something to me
42:59Something about her
43:02You do something to me
43:04There's just something about her
43:06You do something to me
43:07There's something about her
43:09You do something to me
43:11Oh yeah, there's something about her
43:15There's something about her
43:19You do something to me
43:23Oh!
43:25Pat Burns, everybody!
43:27And her band!
43:29Beautiful job!
43:30Come on over to Pat!
43:33Thank you so much!
43:35Thank you so much!
43:35That's gorgeous!
43:37Thank you very much!
43:37You know Alan?
43:39That's Sarah, Jacinda, Kate, this is Pat!
43:43Hello!
43:43Oh, very carefully.
43:46Congratulations.
43:48That sounded so good live.
43:50Thank you very much.
43:51That is the single, There's Just Something About Her,
43:54and that's from a new album, How To Be Human.
43:56Yes.
43:57Which is out now, right?
43:58Yeah.
43:59Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:00And you talked about this album and say, oh, it is about heartbreak,
44:03but you didn't want it to be a sad album.
44:05No, I mean, the album's about grief and heartbreak.
44:09I lost my grandad last spring,
44:11and I think I wanted to showcase the first year
44:15of what grief can look like.
44:17And I remember watching a video of Andrew Garfield
44:20and he said that grief is just love with no home,
44:23and I just thought that was really beautiful
44:25and I was like, I need to make a project based on that.
44:29And then that's how it came to be.
44:30So it's sad, but it's also hopeful at the same time.
44:33I saw that Andrew Garfield.
44:34It was on, that was on Stephen Colbert, wasn't it?
44:36Yeah.
44:37In America, on the American Dog Show.
44:38Yeah.
44:39Here you are together, Kat and Alan.
44:42And now...
44:43And now, I feel bad, I feel bad talking about celebrities again.
44:47I feel like I'm torturing you three.
44:49You're kind of like, oh, dear God.
44:51Alan did say, please don't bring it up again.
44:53Maybe just one more time.
44:55One more time.
44:56LAUGHTER
44:58A cloak behind the sofa.
45:00LAUGHTER
45:01So, that moment when you both voted for Jonathan to be banished,
45:07had you talked about that beforehand, the two of you?
45:10Well, I think I...
45:12I was running with the big dog theory.
45:14Yeah.
45:15So I was like, if I don't...
45:16The fucking big dog theory.
45:17Yeah.
45:18Once Stephen was gone, I was like to Jonathan,
45:21I'm going to have to do you.
45:22And he was like, I know.
45:23So it was...
45:24I got to say something, but I think it was probably a shock
45:27that you did it.
45:28I didn't know what I was doing.
45:30LAUGHTER
45:31I didn't know.
45:32I was just pleased I got the name spelt right.
45:35Yeah.
45:36I mean, really.
45:37It was such a bad advertisement for strategy.
45:39LAUGHTER
45:40And they were sitting there going, these traitors are so clever,
45:43you know, the way...
45:44We were just like...
45:45We didn't know what was going on.
45:46LAUGHTER
45:47We didn't know what was going on, but yeah.
45:49Uh, Kat, you were going on tour.
45:51I am in April.
45:52Wow, so soon.
45:53Unlike your friend.
45:54LAUGHTER
45:57You can buy tickets and remember you've got them.
46:00LAUGHTER
46:01Next spring.
46:02Yeah.
46:03And obviously tickets are gone or about to be gone.
46:05Almost.
46:06So get your tickets now.
46:07Yes.
46:08And Kat, good luck with the tour.
46:10Thank you very much for being here.
46:11Thank you for that great performance.
46:12Thank you for that.
46:13Kat Burns, everybody!
46:14CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
46:15And that is it for tonight.
46:19No time for red chairs, I'm afraid.
46:21So please talk to the rest of my guests.
46:23Alan Cobb!
46:24LAUGHTER
46:26Seth Meyers!
46:27CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
46:29Jacinda Ardern!
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46:32And Kate Winslet!
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46:36Join me next week with music guest Jade,
46:39fashion guru Edward Ennenfell,
46:41comedy genius Rowan Atkinson,
46:43double Oscar winner Emma Thompson,
46:45and Hollywood superstar Timothee Chalamet.
46:47I'll see you then.
46:48Good night already, bye-bye!
46:49CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
46:50Go behind the week's headlines with unexpected guests,
46:57satirical silliness and mischief with Andrew Hunter-Murray.
47:00Listen to Friday night comedy, The Naked Week, now on Sounds.
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