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00:00Oh
00:30Good evening everyone
00:32You're all very welcome to the show
00:35It's nearly Christmas
00:37Oh
00:39I think you agree the set looks rather festive, doesn't it?
00:43Do you like the tree?
00:45Can we get a close-up of the star?
00:53Wrong star
00:55Listen, we have a great line-up for you
00:57Look over there, singing for us later
00:59It's the great Tom O'Dell
01:04Tom and his 27-piece orchestra
01:07Count them, a real musical treat
01:10But what treats have I got for you on my sofa tonight?
01:13Well, this former supermodel swapped the catwalk for the stand-up stage
01:17And recently wrote and starred in her own BBC series, Spent
01:20Now she's on her first major comedy tour, The Afters
01:24It's a warm welcome to Michelle de Swart
01:29Well, there she is
01:31Oh
01:32Oh
01:33Oh
01:34Oh
01:35And now, so we can see you
01:37Have a seat
01:38Michelle de Swart
01:39Hello
01:41I first hosted this Irish actress and singer as a contestant on the BBC talent show I Do Anything
01:48Since then, she's become an Oscar-nominated star of films like The Lost Daughter, Wild Rose and Wicked Little Letters
01:55Now she brings us the beautiful and heartbreaking Hamnet
01:58It is
01:59Jesse Buckley, everybody
02:02Woo
02:04Nice
02:08So good to see you
02:10And we have the two very funny stars of the comedy reboot of Anaconda
02:19One made us laugh in comedy classic Anchorman
02:22And kicked Tiny Butt as Marvel superhero Ant-Man
02:25The other is the star of hits like Jumanji
02:28And this year's blockbuster smash The Minecraft Movie
02:31It's our good friends Paul Rudd and Jack Black
02:39Come on, come on
02:40There you go
02:42You did it, you did it
02:44Hello, nice to see you
02:46Welcome to my group
02:47Welcome to everyone
02:48Welcome to everyone
02:49Thank you
02:50That is gorgeous
02:52Look at that thing out of here
02:54Great to hug you twice
02:56Slowly
02:57Hugging
02:58It's all nice
02:59Waving
03:00Waving
03:01Waving
03:02Yeah
03:03No, no, no
03:04Mind the champagne
03:05Okay, there we go
03:06Yeah, yeah, nice, nice, nice
03:08Do you also want a hug?
03:10And
03:11Merry Christmas, everybody
03:14Sorry
03:16Merry Christmas
03:17There you go
03:19Yeah, that's what it is
03:20Are you okay there?
03:21I just had a panic that my fly was down
03:23Huh?
03:24LAUGHTER
03:25I should have checked back there.
03:27The tie covers it.
03:28LAUGHTER
03:31You would be done. Thank you.
03:32No-one's noticed.
03:33It's a warm welcome back to Paul, Jack and Jessie.
03:36A first-time welcome to Michelle DeSward.
03:38I'm so glad you're here.
03:39CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
03:44We first met on RuPaul's Drag Race UK.
03:48You were a judge.
03:49And the fandom, the people who love that show, loved you.
03:53Did you feel all the kind of Drag Race love?
03:55I did. I did.
03:56I absolutely loved it.
03:58Also, I was like, I have trained my whole life for this panel.
04:02Do you know what I mean?
04:03I was like, yes, fashion, comedy and judging.
04:06LAUGHTER
04:07It's your wheelhouse.
04:08Exactly.
04:09And now, are you going to be OK on the couch tonight because
04:12Michelle has feelings for someone on the couch?
04:16Oh...
04:17LAUGHTER
04:20LAUGHTER
04:22Who might that be, Michelle?
04:26Jessie?
04:27LAUGHTER
04:28If you could just move out of the way, Jack.
04:29LAUGHTER
04:30LAUGHTER
04:31APPLAUSE
04:32CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
04:37CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
04:39Oh, my God.
04:40OK.
04:41I am a massive fan.
04:44And, like, early on...
04:46Sorry, guys.
04:47LAUGHTER
04:48Like, Tenacious D is, like, the blueprint of...
04:51Yes.
04:52If there was a score for my early 20s, it would be...
04:54It would be Tenacious D.
04:55Oh, my God. Thank you.
04:56So, thank you so much.
04:57You kept me so much company.
04:59That was so sweet.
05:00Wow.
05:01I...
05:02I feel I should apologise to Paul because Jesse Buckley also has a Jack Black thing.
05:11What?!
05:12LAUGHTER
05:13I get it. I have a Jack Black thing.
05:15LAUGHTER
05:16There's enough of me to go around.
05:18LAUGHTER
05:20No, yours is very specific, Jesse.
05:22I, like, say to myself more often than is reasonable,
05:27tip it to the side, cello.
05:29Oh, yeah.
05:30From School of Rock.
05:31It's a base.
05:32It's a base.
05:33Yes.
05:34When do you get to say, tip it to the side, cello?
05:36I said unreasonably, like, there's no reason.
05:39LAUGHTER
05:41You know, that line...
05:42But you live, like, rent-free saying that in my head.
05:45LAUGHTER
05:46That is sweet.
05:47That line, I remember, that wasn't in the script.
05:49George Draculius, great record producer,
05:52and also he was in charge of, like, the music on that movie.
05:57He would hang out on the set in my trailer,
06:00and he threw that to me.
06:02He was like, you should say on this next take,
06:05you should say, you play cello?
06:07Tip it to the side.
06:08Cello, it's a base.
06:09LAUGHTER
06:10And I just took it straight to the end of the movie.
06:12LAUGHTER
06:13And it is some of people's favourite line.
06:15I'll tell George.
06:16George, if you're watching, thank you, great job.
06:19Great writing.
06:20I feel like we should stop saying lovely things
06:22about Jack Black now.
06:23It's been too much.
06:24One more from the shelf.
06:25Well, no, I did just watch you take one sip of Campari,
06:28then take a tea chaser, and then drink some water.
06:31LAUGHTER
06:32I don't take compliments once.
06:33It's amazing.
06:34You have a tea and a Negroni.
06:36A white tea, a Negroni, and a regular water.
06:39Nice.
06:40With a little bit of morphine drip.
06:42LAUGHTER
06:43All the food groups.
06:45LAUGHTER
06:46Well, Jack Reddy, let's go.
06:48We'll start with our first big movie tonight.
06:51Paul Rudd and Jack Black star in Anaconda.
06:54It opens in cinemas on Boxing Day.
06:56Check this out.
06:58This is Anaconda.
07:00And we no longer have a snake for our snake movie.
07:03We have to go out in the jungle and find another one.
07:13What is that?
07:18Oh. My.
07:20We're in the middle of the jungle and we are being hunted.
07:26Now we die.
07:30It's OK, you're safe, I'm here.
07:33Holy.
07:34It's scary.
07:35Scary.
07:36It's scary.
07:37It's scary.
07:38Jump of stairs, big laughs.
07:39It's everything you want.
07:40How did this...
07:41It's kind of amazing that no one's done this before,
07:43an Anaconda reboot.
07:44How did this come about?
07:45How involved were either of you?
07:46Well, there was...
07:47The director of this movie,
07:49the director of the movie,
07:50the director of the movie,
07:52the director of the movie,
07:54the director of the movie,
07:55the director of the movie,
07:57the director of the movie,
07:59made a movie before this called
08:01The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent,
08:03which was with Nicolas Cage,
08:05Pedro Pascal,
08:06and both Jack and I were huge fans of that movie.
08:08And when this script kind of showed up,
08:11it seemed to have similar DNA to that one
08:14in that it was just kind of a clever meta-comedy,
08:16a take on a reboot.
08:19So I think I kind of worked on it a little bit with them,
08:22developing it.
08:23I was interested in doing it.
08:26It was very excited that they would want to work with me.
08:29And then I heard that Jack was maybe going to be involved.
08:32And then it was just the most exciting day.
08:35And then we got on the phone and talked about it.
08:37And it's basically...
08:38It's two friends kind of coming together later in life.
08:42Yeah.
08:43Yeah.
08:44Four friends.
08:45Four, you're right.
08:46Steve Zahn and Tandaway Newton.
08:48And yeah, we're these four dumbbells who love each other
08:51and had great experiences in high school making little dumb films.
08:55And we shared a love of the original Anaconda.
08:58And we decided to go remake this movie out in the jungle.
09:01And then we get swept up in an actual Anaconda nightmare.
09:05But it's really funny and crazy.
09:08I never read anything like it.
09:09And I was mainly excited to work with this guy right here
09:12because he makes me laugh so hard until I cry.
09:14And I thought, this is it.
09:16And I told my manager, I was like,
09:18I'll do it as long as Paul Rudd is, in fact, attached.
09:22Because sometimes they'll pull a fast one.
09:24They'll pull a switcheroo.
09:25Tennessee switcheroo.
09:26They'll go, yeah, no.
09:27Paul Rudd's in it.
09:28And then you say, okay, I signed the thing.
09:29And then they say, oh, Paul couldn't do it.
09:30He had to do it.
09:31No!
09:32So now, it's supposed to be set in South America,
09:36but you filmed in Australia, was it?
09:38Yeah.
09:39Yeah.
09:40Apparently, that wasn't our decision.
09:43But we had a great experience in Australia,
09:45pretending to be in Brazil, in the rainforest.
09:49Yeah.
09:50The Gold Coast.
09:51Nice!
09:53And you were in real swamps.
09:56Yeah, the first day of shooting, for me,
10:00was about, I don't know, it was a night shoot,
10:03and we were in a swamp.
10:04Selton Mello and I were in a swamp up to our chest,
10:07and it was terrifying.
10:08It was really...
10:09And they were trying to put us at ease,
10:10and they said, we had guys come out,
10:12and they cleared out the swamp yesterday.
10:15Like, you can clear out a swamp.
10:17You know there's things swimming around,
10:20and even some of the crew said,
10:22I can't believe you're going in there.
10:23I'm gonna jump in here.
10:25There was someone on the crew
10:26who had a creepy crawly stuck to their leg,
10:29and you saved them.
10:30I didn't...
10:31It was a beetle.
10:33And you knew what to do.
10:34You were like...
10:35You saved their life.
10:39You're a lifesaver, dude.
10:40I mean...
10:45It was a beetle with a horn on it.
10:47It was a beetle that had a horn on it.
10:49Yes.
10:50Only found in the Australian hat back.
10:52But then this is...
10:53This is weird.
10:54Put your nuts off if you're not careful.
10:56No.
10:57It was a nut-biting beetle.
10:59Because, Michelle, you know,
11:01before you got into comedy,
11:02we'll talk about this later,
11:03you were a model.
11:04Yeah.
11:05And didn't you have a beetle thing?
11:07Yeah.
11:08Yeah.
11:09Because they would just get you to do, like,
11:10random things in modelling
11:11where they were just sort of like,
11:12you're lucky to be here.
11:14We're gonna do this shoot now,
11:15and this is editorial.
11:16It's high fashion,
11:17so we're gonna put these beetles on your face.
11:19Stay very still and look gorgeous.
11:24Try and look nice.
11:25But if you've got a beetle on your face,
11:26you're like...
11:29You're like, smile,
11:30you're like...
11:31Yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that.
11:32And then I did another shoot
11:34where they wanted me to sit on, like,
11:36a bit of wood.
11:38And as I sat down on it,
11:40it was in Texas,
11:41and I was like,
11:42oh, there's all these ants crawling on me.
11:43But obviously, from England,
11:44I didn't realise there's ants that bite.
11:46Do you know what I mean?
11:47Yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:48Like, what's the worst that can happen to you
11:49in this country?
11:50A pigeon shits on you or something.
11:53So I sat there and I was like,
11:54they're burning.
11:55They're burning.
11:56They're like, oh, it's a fire ants nest.
11:57And I was like,
11:58I should probably get up.
11:59And they were like, it's the last shot.
12:00If you could just stay there.
12:01And I'm not gorgeous.
12:03And you're like, yeah!
12:04Yeah, fun times, fun times.
12:06I don't know why you gave it up.
12:08Er...
12:09Jesse Buckley,
12:10you grew up in the Irish countryside,
12:11so are you good with animals?
12:13Erm...
12:15I feel like, out of respect,
12:17they, you know,
12:19I should leave them alone.
12:20OK.
12:21Not because I would do anything to them,
12:23but they might do something to me,
12:24because they're animals.
12:25That is true.
12:26Well observed.
12:27Er...
12:30But have you ever...
12:31Have you had a bad experience or something?
12:32Well, actually,
12:33my mum grew up on a bull farm.
12:35What?
12:36Yeah.
12:37And she had like...
12:38Can I just say,
12:39that seems problematic.
12:41Why?
12:42Well,
12:43you need more than bulls on your bulls.
12:45Well,
12:46there are no pedigree bulls.
12:47I don't know.
12:48It's like a gay cow bar or something.
12:50You love it, Chris!
12:52Only bulls?
12:54I don't...
12:55Are they just bred bulls?
12:57Yeah,
12:58they were like prize bulls,
12:59so they'd bring them to shows
13:00and kind of wash them
13:02and brush their hair
13:03and show them around.
13:04He's a gay cow bar.
13:05Yeah!
13:06Erm,
13:07but I remember once,
13:08erm,
13:09my grandfather brought me out
13:10into the fields
13:11and put me on his tractor
13:12and erm,
13:13I'd never really been around
13:14a load of bulls.
13:15Like a mass...
13:16Good.
13:17..good of...
13:18Yeah.
13:19I'd never really been around
13:20a load of bulls.
13:21Like a mass...
13:22Good.
13:23..good of...
13:24Erm,
13:29and he went to open the gate
13:30and close it
13:31and there was a load of hay
13:32on the back of the tractor
13:33and he,
13:34all of a sudden,
13:35this, like,
13:36it felt like...
13:37like a hundred bulls
13:39were running towards me
13:41and since that moment
13:42I just think,
13:43you know,
13:44out of respect,
13:45I don't need to wrangle...
13:47Leave them alone.
13:48Anything, really.
13:49I leave them alone.
13:50Wise, wise.
13:51And er,
13:52Paul Rudd,
13:53what is the connection to Ireland?
13:55That you love Ireland so much?
13:56I just think it's the greatest place.
13:57I just love Ireland.
13:58I first went there on my own.
14:00I loved Irish music
14:01and I was just very drawn to Ireland.
14:03OK.
14:04And then my father
14:05spent a lot of time in Ireland
14:06because he was a Titanic expert
14:07and he used to take groups of people
14:09throughout Ireland
14:10to Belfast,
14:11to Harlan Wolfe
14:12where the ship was built
14:13and he'd go down to Cove
14:14which was the last port of call.
14:16Yeah.
14:17Yeah, so,
14:18we spent a lot of time in Ireland.
14:19Yeah.
14:20Was that his job?
14:21Yeah.
14:22Wow.
14:23That's very niche.
14:24Yeah, he...
14:25It is, isn't it?
14:26It really is.
14:27He used to work with the airlines
14:30and it was a big history buff.
14:32He loved history.
14:33But he was a real Titanic enthusiast
14:36and that was...
14:37He started kind of giving these
14:39Titanic historical tours
14:40to other people
14:41who were as interested in Titanic
14:43as he was.
14:44And late in his life,
14:47that was what he did.
14:48He did, yeah.
14:49And it's...
14:50Is Rod an Irish name?
14:51I think there's...
14:52Are there Rod sausages?
14:53Is that rig a male Jesse Buckley?
14:54I never had a Rod sausage.
14:55No.
14:56I bet you have.
14:57LAUGHTER
14:58LAUGHTER
14:59What can I ask?
15:00Was your granddad...
15:01Was he Irish?
15:02They were English.
15:03Everyone was British.
15:04Oh!
15:05That's a burn!
15:06You live in America then?
15:07Yeah, I was born in America
15:08but both my parents are from London
15:09and so I grew up in America
15:10but we actually spread my dad's ashes
15:11in Ireland as well.
15:12Wow!
15:13Wow!
15:14Which is an interesting thing
15:15to try and get your dad's ashes
15:16through TSA.
15:17Did you say what it was
15:18or did you pretend it was
15:19something else?
15:20I did.
15:21No, I did.
15:22We put it...
15:23Like a duffel bag.
15:24And I put it on the belt
15:25going to fly on the airline
15:26and I thought,
15:27oh, I probably should have seen it
15:29and they wanted it to tell you
15:31what it was
15:32and then I would put it...
15:34I don't know.
15:35I don't know.
15:36We're going to get it
15:37on the airline.
15:38I thought,
15:39oh,
15:40I should have seen it
15:41and they wanted to examine it and check it out.
15:43They said, what's in the bag?
15:44I said, it's my dad.
15:47In Ireland, they would have loved that.
15:48Oh, yeah.
15:49You know you're on the right flight home
15:51if you're going home for a funeral, so you would have been welcome.
15:55That's why it's the best.
15:57That's why it's the best.
15:58And now, there's a tradition, I feel, Jack.
16:00Every time you do a movie, somehow it inspires you musically.
16:04Have you come up with an anaconda song?
16:07I have, actually.
16:09Do you want to hear it?
16:10No.
16:19Quiet on the set.
16:21Anaconda, the most beautiful creature in the wild.
16:28Anaconda, you're the most popular with boys and girls.
16:34You bite and you swallow and you take it down.
16:37You are the scariest snake in town.
16:40Big as a bus and a hearty two.
16:42I made up this song just now.
16:45Beautiful.
16:47I lied, I lied, I didn't have a song.
16:53Give me the extras, give me the extras.
16:55Did you know that I was making it up as we went along?
16:58Because I lied, I did not have a song.
17:00Oh, it's very good.
17:02Anaconda.
17:03I think it's a hit, though.
17:07Yeah, it's pretty good.
17:10That's how all songs are written.
17:12At first, you don't have a song.
17:14And then, did you see the Beatles documentary?
17:17When you watch Paul McCartney, Sir Paul, come up with, get back, right in front of your eyes.
17:23That's what you just saw.
17:24Beautiful work.
17:27Beautiful work.
17:27A reminder, you can see Anaconda in cinemas from Boxing Day.
17:31Meanwhile, Jessie Buckley, Jessie Buckley gives an extraordinary performance in Hamnet.
17:41It is in cinemas from the 9th of January.
17:44And Hamnet is this incredibly beloved novel by Maggie O'Farrell.
17:48When they approached you, were you familiar with the book, or...?
17:51No, no, I met Chloe Zhao first, and then they sent me the book, yeah.
17:56And for people who haven't read the book, and lots of people have, tell us about Hamnet,
18:01and kind of its relation to Shakespeare, and sort of, you know, why it's so special.
18:04I guess it's a peek behind the curtain of who the family man, William Shakespeare, might have been,
18:11and where Hamlet might have kind of been born from, which was...
18:17Shakespeare actually did have a son called Hamnet, who died of the plague.
18:21I had no idea about that. I thought it was about a Danish prince.
18:25Yeah.
18:26Um, and it's about love, and loss, and motherhood, and, uh, art,
18:33and the need of, kind of, storytelling to hold the parts of us that we can't hold by ourselves.
18:39Um, that's it, really.
18:40And it is, it's such a beautiful film, and you are, God, you're good in it.
18:43And, uh, Paul Mescal, we should say, plays, uh, William Shakespeare.
18:47And the Hamnet, Hamlet thing, those names, am I right, they were interchangeable at the time?
18:53Yeah, yeah.
18:54And the same, and you're Anne Hathaway, but you're Agnes.
18:57Well, she was kind of written out of history as, you know, I think her father called her Agnes,
19:04but she was known as Anne Hathaway, and as the woman that, kind of, pulled Shakespeare back,
19:09which is, you know, not the truth.
19:12Well, we've got a clip.
19:14This is you as Agnes with Paul, as, uh, William Shakespeare, and, uh, the children,
19:19because you have three children, they've prepared you a surprise.
19:22One step, come to your right step, step, step, one more, one more.
19:32When shall we three meet again, in thunder, lightning, or in rain?
19:43When early birds' time, when the birds lost and won!
19:47That will be a surprise.
19:52Where the place?
19:54There to meet with Agnes!
19:57I come, Green Mouthin!
19:58Had it called...
20:00And I!
20:01Well done!
20:13That was amazing!
20:21And watching the film, like, beautiful, sweet scenes like that have this kind of added poignancy,
20:27because, as a viewer, you know that something really tragic is on the way.
20:32Mm.
20:32Yeah, I actually had no idea they were going to shoot that scene.
20:35They were so giddy all day, because they've been rehearsing it for, like, the week, and, uh,
20:41except Bodhi, who plays Susannah, the, my daughter in the blue, really didn't want to do it.
20:50I feel like she's, like, my emo teenager in that, where I'm kind of proud that she's like,
20:55oh, my God, I can't believe I've to do this, please.
20:58LAUGHTER
21:00But it was such a gorgeous shoot, and those kids are incredible, and Paul is promising.
21:08LAUGHTER
21:10And we should say, though, if you go to see this film, be prepared.
21:15It will put you through the emotional wringer.
21:17There's a long section at the end where you're Agnes, Anne Hathaway, is watching Hamlet,
21:24this play that William... And there's a moment right at the end,
21:27uh, that I... Is it you and Chloe, the director, you came up with together?
21:31Do you know what I'm talking about? The... The hands.
21:34Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, the end, we didn't know what to do.
21:39It was quite scary, because it was, like, the whole end of shooting the whole film,
21:43and we'd had this amazing journey, and we're like,
21:45God, we've got to, like, land the plane now. How do you, like, land the plane after this,
21:49and go to the globe, which is epic in just its name?
21:53Yeah. Um, and there was a moment at the... I mean, there was these incredible extras,
22:00400 extras, and then there was a moment where I was standing in the middle of the...
22:03of our recreated globe, and there was all these incredible faces around me,
22:08and I sent Chloe Max Richter's, um, On the Nature of Daylight,
22:14and from that piece of music, um, this ending came where they all reached...
22:23400 people behind me reached their hands to try and touch the play, and,
22:28I guess, touch the things that they've lost in their own life... Yeah. ...in some way.
22:32Now, it's a really beautiful moment, and this wonderful thing's happened to you.
22:36You're now a mum. You became a mum after the film. Congratulations. Very good.
22:40APPLAUSE
22:45Does that kind of... When you watch the film now, as a mum,
22:49does it kind of make it even more kind of emotionally upsetting for you,
22:53or is it kind of the same? No, it's pretty the same. No, I'm joking.
22:56LAUGHTER
22:58I watched it first when I was eight months pregnant,
23:02and I was not OK. LAUGHTER
23:05There's nothing... It's, you know, embarrassing to cry at your own film,
23:08but I was pregnant, so... LAUGHTER
23:12But it felt... It was, you know, it's about a lot...
23:14It's got a lot of birth and death and motherhood and children,
23:18and, um, I wanted to be a mum for a long time,
23:22and, um, I got pregnant, like, a week after I wrapped...
23:25..wrapped this film, so... It was pretty... Yeah, it was beautiful.
23:29Well, it's lovely that those things are all kind of entwined now.
23:33Yeah. Talking of Hamlet and Shakespeare, uh, Paul Rudd,
23:35you've played Hamlet, haven't you?
23:37I did in a scene. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah.
23:40Yeah, I did a production... I bet you were really good in it.
23:42Yeah. LAUGHTER
23:44I cried when I did it, too. LAUGHTER
23:46I did a... I did, uh, I did... I did do a...
23:49..a production of it, but... But it was very posh, wasn't it?
23:52It was pretty posh... Yeah, yeah, well, it was...
23:55..it wasn't that posh.
23:56Well, wasn't it directed by somebody very famous?
23:58Oh, God. LAUGHTER
24:01Are you talking about Sir Ben Kingsley?
24:04That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yes.
24:07Yeah. LAUGHTER
24:09This is going to be another one that, uh, that...
24:11I did a... I was going to school and I did a production of Hamlet.
24:14I was working on a scene. Ben King... Sir Ben Kingsley came to do a...
24:17Don't forget the sir. Oh.
24:18Uh, Sir Ben Kingsley came to do a, um, like, a master class.
24:23And he directed it. We worked on it.
24:26Uh, it was just for an afternoon, really.
24:28And, um... And when I was starting my career,
24:32uh, I had a manager, a bit of a Broadway Danny Rose-type manager,
24:37uh, who said, we need to create a CV for you.
24:40And he... And I had no credits.
24:42And he said, well, what did you do in school?
24:44And I was like, oh, that's... I did a thing with Hamlet.
24:46Uh, Ben... Sir Ben Kingsley came in and directed it.
24:50And so he put down Ham...
24:52I played Hamlet in a production directed by Sir Ben Kingsley.
24:56LAUGHTER
24:58Looks good on a resume. He sounds... He sounds brilliant.
25:00LAUGHTER
25:01And I was, uh, I felt very funny about it.
25:04LAUGHTER
25:05Um, but those... That seemed to kind of hang around.
25:08And my biggest fear in life was that Sir...
25:12Well, maybe not my biggest fear in life, but my big fear was that he...
25:16He might somehow see my CV.
25:19LAUGHTER
25:20What? Ooh!
25:22It never went away.
25:23Until now. Yeah.
25:24LAUGHTER
25:26He watches every week.
25:27LAUGHTER
25:28And, now, I wouldn't have thought Jack Black had never done Shakespeare,
25:31but you have done Shakespeare.
25:32Yes, I was a theatre major at UCLA Theatre Department,
25:36and we did a production of, uh...
25:39Uh...
25:40Uh, Much Ado About Nothing.
25:41That's the one.
25:42And I played a character, I can't remember what it was called,
25:45but I remember, uh, that I was very, very good in the play.
25:48LAUGHTER
25:50I can't remember any of my lines.
25:51I like... I like when you refer to your own character as It.
25:53LAUGHTER
25:55It's a very foggy memory.
25:57But I remember the director...
25:58I can't remember his name either.
25:59He was like... Was it Sir Ben Kingsley?
26:02LAUGHTER
26:03It might have been.
26:03I think it was Sir John Gielgud, actually.
26:06And he said, Jack, when you do this part,
26:09just look straight ahead and don't move a muscle.
26:13Let all the emotions come through your eyes
26:16and say the part plainly.
26:18And if you do this, Jack, and hold on to these lessons
26:21throughout your life, it will serve you well
26:24in a career that spans far and wide.
26:27And I, obviously, did not take that to heart.
26:30LAUGHTER
26:31I've spent my career overacting and not staying still
26:35and speaking the lines blatantly.
26:37But it was a great experience.
26:38I'm sure it was, yes.
26:41LAUGHTER
26:42APPLAUSE
26:43Very good. Beautiful.
26:44Yeah.
26:45Because, Michelle...
26:46Michelle, you do acting now.
26:48You're cleaning things.
26:50Would you do Shakespeare? Have you done Shakespeare?
26:51Nah.
26:52LAUGHTER
26:53Nah.
26:54And this is what, like, I feel like I don't have the range
26:58for that kindness.
26:59You've got one accent with me, and it's this.
27:01You know what I mean?
27:02Like, even this, when you're talking about Hamlet,
27:04and you're like, Anne Hathaway, I was like,
27:06is this just, that's an act? That's an actor?
27:08I kept on thinking that, too. Thank you!
27:10People are kind of pissed off that I was playing it,
27:13and not Anne Hathaway.
27:14LAUGHTER
27:15Is that, is Anne Hathaway named...
27:17Do I sound fake? Wait.
27:19No, she must have been named after the...
27:21Well, obviously.
27:22After the Hollywood actress?
27:23Yes. Right!
27:24Yeah!
27:25Um, yeah, no, none of that for me.
27:27No period dramas here.
27:29I think it'd, uh, there'd definitely be some questions
27:32coming on, like... No, you could crush some Shakespeare.
27:33Do you reckon? Yeah.
27:35You and I, maybe this is our next movie.
27:37Yes.
27:38What would it be? Romeo and Juliet.
27:40Juliet!
27:41Am I too old to play Romeo?
27:42No. No.
27:44I can't wait.
27:45I think we would be... Perfect.
27:46We would be Samson and Delilah.
27:48LAUGHTER
27:50I feel so awkward in the middle of this.
27:52I know.
27:54I have since the beginning.
27:55I asked if they wanted to swap, they said no.
27:58I'm bringing you back to Hamlet.
28:00I bring you back to Hamlet, because I've got to say,
28:01congratulations, you've got amazing reviews,
28:03and Golden Globe nominated next month.
28:06CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
28:08Yeah.
28:09Fantastic!
28:11A hundred, a hundred.
28:13So, listen, good luck with that, and all the other awards
28:16that I'm sure are in your future.
28:19Hamlet is in cinemas from the 9th of January, everybody.
28:22Very good.
28:23CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
28:25Now, here's the thing, uh, being an actor on stage is, you know,
28:32difficult and all those things, but, uh, Michelle de Swart,
28:35you've tackled possibly the toughest stage of all, the catwalk.
28:38Oh!
28:39No, no, but, like, you did, no, but, like, you did, no,
28:40no, here's the thing, she's building your voice, but, no,
28:42you walked for, like, really big designers and labels.
28:46Like, tell us some of the people you did.
28:47Yeah, um, well, not well, I'll say that, but, yes, I did it.
28:51I did it, um, walked for, um, Missoni, Gucci, Versace,
28:57D&G, or Dolce & Gabbana, yeah.
29:00She's the real deal, the real deal.
29:02Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then Gravity came along,
29:04and I've pivoted, and now I'm doing stand-up.
29:08Was it the fire ants that took you up as you were following?
29:11No, you say Gravity, um, Gucci 2002, you're walking,
29:16and this is quite a famous thing, and before we get into it,
29:20we should say, you're fine about this, this isn't triggering or anything.
29:22No, well, 2002, can you imagine if I was still triggered now?
29:26I'm not going to be there, mention it!
29:28How dare you? It feels like yesterday.
29:30Yeah, no, I'm fine.
29:32So, should we, should we talk about it before we see the clip, or see the clip?
29:37You know what? It's worth chatting about it first.
29:41OK, no, maybe. Set it up. No, go on, go on.
29:45Should we just see it? No, talk about it. OK, so, I'll say this.
29:50I got, I was pulling pints in a pub, all right? I got scouted.
29:54They sent me to Milan, everyone was like, she's the new model of the moment,
29:58we're all going to book her, but no one had asked me if I could walk in hills.
30:02Everyone just presumed that now you've been knighted with the word model,
30:07then you're that, you know what I mean?
30:08But I had a walk like a bookie, you just like got a winning or something,
30:12I was like, yeah!
30:13I had a wide date, is what I will say.
30:18And so I'll go to Milan, I'll book all of these shows and everyone's like,
30:22yeah, you're a model now, I'm like, yeah, proper.
30:24And at the time, Tom Ford was designing for Gucci and, yeah, proper Jack, yeah.
30:33And I'm standing backstage and I'm in these hills and I was like,
30:37I'm like, this, I'm going to fuck this properly.
30:40I just knew, I was like, there's no way I can walk in these.
30:43And it was on this shag pile carpet and Tom Ford was there and I was like,
30:46he went, how are you doing? I went, I'm not good.
30:48Not good.
30:50Anyway, don't worry, you're just going to stand there and everyone's going to die.
30:53And I was like, okay.
30:54And then you go out onto the runway, now most runways are like really short,
30:59but because it's Gucci, it's like the longest runway ever.
31:02And I start, I start walking and I just thought, imagine if you fell.
31:08And with that, stacked it. Shall we watch it now?
31:11Let's watch it. Let's watch it.
31:13So here's the shag pile carpet, the beautiful, here we go, here comes,
31:19here comes Michelle de Swartz. Uh-oh. Oh, no, she's okay.
31:22She's okay. She's okay. She's okay. Oh, oh, oh, no, no.
31:26No, come on, you can do this. Wait, wait, oh, oh, oh, oh.
31:31And then, shoes off. Your shoes off? Oh, you're a woman.
31:35Oh, yeah.
31:36Woo! Woo!
31:38I love this, I love this.
31:41Oh, still working it, still working it.
31:44Yes. You are beautiful. Thank you.
31:47But also, it says so much about the fashion world.
31:51You stack it, and one man just kind of went...
31:54LAUGHTER
31:56No one tried to help you. No, no, but the weirdest thing is,
31:59I've been doing stand-up for over a decade now.
32:01Hands down, the funniest thing I've ever done.
32:04LAUGHTER
32:05That is rude. Like, if that is...
32:07That's me at my comedy best.
32:09So, listen, the comedy's going great.
32:11You're on your first major tour.
32:13It's called The Afters.
32:15You've already done a bunch of it, and it kicks off again in...
32:17March. March, OK.
32:19The Afters, why is it called The Afters, by the way?
32:22Well, as mentioned, I was a model who used to live in New York,
32:24so I'm a next-party girl, and I think much like The Afters,
32:28it is me chatting at you for an hour, and hopefully funny and entertaining.
32:33Oh, my God.
32:34And hopefully your sister will be...
32:36She doesn't sound like a great audience member, your sister.
32:39Oh, my... Yeah.
32:40LAUGHTER
32:40All right. So, thank God now I do bigger rooms,
32:43but when I first started, like, upstairs in pubs and stuff like that,
32:46very glamorous, I was doing one gig,
32:49my sister came to support me, and, um, every time...
32:53But then I used to do a lot of stories about my mum and stuff,
32:55and every time I'd just be getting to the punchline,
32:58I'd be like, you know, like, my mum and my sister would shout out the punchline,
33:02and just, like, I was just like, what are you doing?
33:04Because she knew the story, do you know what I mean?
33:06She was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that.
33:07And I was just like, this is pure sabotage.
33:10LAUGHTER
33:10And then she would get a massive laugh, and then they would look at me,
33:13and I was like, no, that's it.
33:14LAUGHTER
33:19And you talk about your mum, your mum got you, uh, into jobs.
33:25Now, did she get... She got you a cleaning job?
33:28Yes. Yes.
33:29That she... That was her job already?
33:31Yes. Merry Christmas, Mum.
33:33Um, so...
33:35Yeah, I've done a lot of... I've done a lot of different jobs
33:38before I started modelling, but my first job was a cleaner in an office building,
33:42and my mum was like, right, I'm going to do this day, you do the other days, right?
33:46And, um, my mum, uh, she's a changed woman now,
33:49but my mum really got a kick out of nicking, and, uh...
33:52LAUGHTER
33:54And we were in this corporate...
33:55In this, like, corporate office building, and my mum would send me in.
33:59I think I was pretty young, like, 13, 14 at the time.
34:01This was my first job, and she'd be like, right, all right,
34:04so when you do the second floor, if you go into the kitchen,
34:07they've got a really good dinner set.
34:09Now, I've got the cups... All right?
34:11And you've got to get the plates, OK? That is your job.
34:14You've got to nick the plates, and I was just like...
34:16I was such a, you know, like, an anxious kid.
34:19I'd, like, be freaking out. It was like I was doing a heist in the loop,
34:22you know what I mean?
34:23Like, I've got to nick these plates to my mum,
34:25so we can have the full set, which is weird, because she doesn't cook,
34:27so it's sort of like, what are they here for? Yeah.
34:31Did you just have them on display?
34:32What, no, no, I don't know.
34:35But, you know, but anyway, we did get the full set, so...
34:37Well done. Yes.
34:39That's very proud.
34:40And talking of early jobs things,
34:45Jack, you got into acting really early.
34:48I did. I was a child actor, it's true.
34:50Yeah.
34:51I'm a little defensive, I know. Yeah, no, we...
34:54Two child actors get a bad rap.
34:56But I survived, and I'm fine.
34:58There's nothing wrong with me.
35:00Was your first job the commercial for Pitfall?
35:03Yes! That was my first booking.
35:06Uh, and, but I want to clarify,
35:08I didn't have the kind of parents that were like,
35:10get out there and make money for us, you kid.
35:13Go and make and bring back home the bacon for us.
35:16We want to go and put it on the slots.
35:18No, I was a...
35:21I drove that car.
35:24I was a real ham.
35:25I loved putting on a show from a very early age,
35:28and I wanted to go on auditions.
35:30I wanted to get out there and be, I wanted to be on TV.
35:33So that the kids at school could see me.
35:36And, uh, and my stepfather, David Katz,
35:39actually drove me around town to go on the auditions.
35:42And I went, I remember that audition like it was yesterday.
35:44I went in there and I, and I did the lines.
35:47And they said, uh, could you do it again, Jack?
35:49And this time do it really cocksure, really overconfident.
35:53And I was like, I think I can do that.
35:54And in my mind, I was like, they fell into my trap.
35:57And that's my, like, main move is overconfident guy.
36:00So I did it again, and I just poured on all the sauce.
36:04And I was like, just last night, I was lost in the jungle with pitfall Harry,
36:08surrounded by giant scorpions and cobra rattlers and man-eating crocodiles.
36:12I still remember all the lines.
36:14We've got, we've got the commercial.
36:16We've got the commercial.
36:16Are you going to show it?
36:17We've got the commercial and you do remember your lines.
36:19I do.
36:20And, and you know, often when you watch these things,
36:22you kind of think, oh, that, you know, the person is unrecognizable.
36:26This is just Jack Black Young.
36:28I mean, it's just, it's just, it's, it's extraordinary.
36:32Uh, by the way, do check out the state-of-the-art computer graphics in Pitfall the game.
36:38Here we go.
36:39Just last night, I was lost in the jungle with Pitfall Harry,
36:42surrounded by giant scorpions and man-eating crocodiles.
36:46If you haven't met Pitfall Harry, you're missing the year's most incredible video game adventure,
36:50Pitfall for the Atari 2600 and Intellivision.
36:53Pitfall, designed by David Crane for Activision.
36:58So good.
36:59Yeah, yeah.
37:05It was also the best game.
37:07Yeah, Pitfall is the best game.
37:09You know what I realized while we were watching that just now,
37:11is that I've been doing jungle-themed since I was a child.
37:16I know.
37:16There's something weird about me and the jungle, because we've got this movie,
37:20also Jumanji, don't forget jungle-themed, and that's all I can.
37:23Oh, King Kong, I was in King Kong, jungle-themed.
37:26Yeah.
37:26What's going on here?
37:27At Tropic Thunder.
37:29Tropic Thunder!
37:32Have you been to the jungle?
37:33Um, no, I went on a safari once.
37:40You did?
37:40That's the jungle?
37:41It was, and it was one of the most terrifying things I've ever done.
37:45Yes, it doesn't sound like you'd like that, Jessie.
37:47Well, I actually typed in solo traveller adventures into the internet,
37:51and found myself on the Salu reserve amongst the Maasai tribe when I was about 22.
37:58And I...
37:58Is that in Africa, the Salu?
37:59Is that in Kenya?
38:00Yeah, yeah, in Tanzania.
38:01Tanzania.
38:02Oh, wow.
38:02And I remember I got into my tent on the first night.
38:05I did not sleep for a week.
38:08Every sound, I was like...
38:11And they give you, like, a pre-chat to be like,
38:14do not open your tent.
38:15There's hippos right there.
38:16They will eat you.
38:18The mama has just had her baby.
38:19She's really hungry.
38:20And you're like, okay.
38:21And the only thing I could find...
38:25I, like, made...
38:25I got really drunk the second night, because I was like,
38:27I'm just going to have to, like, basically pass out to get to sleep.
38:31But the only thing that I could find solace in was they had, like, a crate,
38:35and there was, like, the tiniest lock on this crate
38:39that I found to lock the bottom of the tent.
38:44Like, that was going to, like, solve the...
38:46The hippo will go, I'd like to, but no, it won't do that.
38:48LAUGHTER
38:51And listen, it's been lovely talking to you all.
38:55And don't forget, Michelle Deswort is on tour from next March.
38:58Go see her.
38:59CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
39:02OK, it's time for music.
39:04This Brit Award-winning singer-songwriter has given us a string of hits,
39:08including Another Love and Black Friday.
39:10Here performing his current single, When I Close My Eyes,
39:13it is Tom O'Dell!
39:15CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
39:21A house, it feels so empty
39:36Because now I live alone
39:44The kid next door keeps asking me
39:52Where you've gone?
39:54And I tell him, I tell him, you've gone home
40:00But when I close my eyes, you're standing there in front of me
40:08When I close my eyes, it's almost like it used to be
40:16And then I realise you're just a ghost
40:23Maybe at most
40:28A fragment of my mind
40:32When I close my eyes
40:36And the days could be so lonely
40:42So I stay out all night
40:50And my friends say, take it slowly
40:57And I tell him, you've gone home
41:01And I tell them that I'll try
41:05And when I close my eyes, you're standing there in front of me
41:13And when I close my eyes, it's almost like it used to be
41:21And then I realise you're just a ghost
41:28Maybe at most
41:32A fragment of my mind
41:36When I close my eyes
41:40And every thought I think
41:44It cuts me like a knife
41:47And I just wanna bring
41:51And bring you back to life
41:55Tonight the sun will set
41:59Tomorrow it will rise
42:03Yet all that I've got left
42:06Is when I close my eyes
42:09You're standing there in front of me
42:14And when I close my eyes
42:17It's almost like it used to be
42:21And then I realise
42:25You're just a ghost
42:29Maybe at most
42:33A fragment of my mind
42:37When I close my eyes
42:41When I close my eyes
42:44You're when I close my eyes
42:48When I close my eyes
42:52When I close my eyes
42:56I'll see you
42:58I'll see you
43:00I'll see you
43:02I'll see you
43:04Tom O'Dell
43:05Tom O'Dell
43:09How beautiful is that
43:11And thank you to the orchestra
43:13All 27 of them
43:15And the conductor
43:16Beautiful Tom
43:17Come on over Tom do
43:18Here he comes
43:20Thank you
43:21Wow
43:22That was epic
43:25Thank you so much
43:27Tom that's Michelle
43:28Jesse Jack
43:29Oh
43:30That is Tom O'Dell
43:32Right there
43:33Lovely to meet you
43:34Lovely to meet you
43:35Lovely to meet you
43:35Lovely to meet you
43:37Lovely to meet you
43:37Lovely to meet you
43:38Lovely to meet you
43:39And that orchestra sounded amazing
43:41Amazing the polyphony orchestra everybody
43:43Polyphony orchestra
43:47Like as a musician
43:49That must feel great
43:51Having that sound behind you
43:52Yes I rest very peacefully last night
43:55Knowing that they were going to be here
43:59But yeah they're incredible
44:00Some of the great greatest musicians in London over there
44:03So it's a real privilege to play with them
44:05Thank you so much
44:07Thank you for being here
44:08And I
44:10I don't want to give Paul Rudd a complex or anything
44:12But it's another Jack Black fan on the couch
44:14What?
44:15Yeah
44:16Yeah
44:17It's awesome
44:18It's not a complex fan
44:19Oh my god
44:20My cup runneth over with fans
44:24It's a farm club
44:25So tell me what is it about me that you like so much?
44:31I was 12 years old when School of Rock came out
44:34Oh nice
44:35And playing the piano was
44:37Not the coolest of choices
44:39And that scene when you're playing the doors
44:43Yes!
44:44Dude you were the age of those kids in the movies
44:46Yeah
44:47It was like I was the perfect
44:49It was the perfect time for me to watch that film
44:51Oh man let's rock today
44:53Yeah
44:54Yeah
44:55Yeah
44:56Look at you now
44:57Thank you brother
44:58Love it
44:59That track
45:00That is one of the extra tracks on the new deluxe version of A Wonderful Life
45:06A Wonderful Life epilogue
45:07Yes
45:08And is this deluxe one out now too?
45:09That came out yeah a few months ago
45:11Okay brilliant
45:12And that song
45:13Here's the thing
45:14Recording that track in particular
45:16Apparently was kind of challenging
45:18Yeah
45:19Yeah I've actually like tried to put this song on my last three albums
45:24And it's a very emotional song
45:26And it's kind of about grief and losing someone
45:30But every time I came to record it I would sing the verses fine
45:35And then as soon as I get to the chorus I would sing it in an Australian accent
45:39So it would be the kid next door keeps asking me where you've gone
45:45And I tell him I tell him you've gone home
45:48When I close my eyes
45:52And I was okay with that
45:55I played it to my wife and she said you cannot put this song out
45:59It sounds like a joke song
46:01But I think it's that thing where it was so emotional I didn't even want to like confront it
46:06So I was subconsciously trying to avoid and sort of making voices I don't know funny voices
46:12And listen real thanks for being here because you say you just literally just finished an arena tour
46:17Yeah like a week ago yeah
46:18Yeah where was that you just finished in
46:20I finished in oh god I can't remember
46:23Antwerp
46:24Antwerp
46:25Antwerp
46:26Antwerp
46:27Yeah
46:28And you are off to Australia you've got the accent already
46:30I'm off to Australia yeah
46:31Yeah
46:32Yeah we're going we're doing some shows over there in January
46:35You should sing the Australian version of that song
46:37I will be
46:38While you're there check out some of the swamps
46:41They're beautiful this time of year
46:44Yeah
46:45Listen good luck with the tour of Australia
46:47Thank you very much
46:48Thank you for that performance
46:49Tom O'Dell everyone
46:51Thank you very much
46:52That is really it before we go just time for a Christmas visit to the big red chair
47:01Hello
47:02Hello
47:03Hi what's your name?
47:04I'm Lynne from Chippenham and Wiltshire
47:05Excellent the hopes of a nation are resting on you and your Christmas jumper
47:10What do you do in Chippenham?
47:12I'm a part-time travel money advisor
47:14A part-time travel money advisor
47:17It sounds like it will be full-time but no
47:20No
47:21No
47:22Only as a part-time
47:23I'd like to ask her about my travel money but I can't she's not on today
47:27Call her on Tuesdays
47:29That's her best day
47:31Yeah
47:32She's rested
47:33Okay off we go with your story
47:35Okay
47:36So I was weirdo'd quite early and I spent a few years just bringing up my children
47:39Yes
47:40And eventually I thought well I need to get back out there
47:42Yeah
47:43And I met a young man and after a little bit of time I decided it was time to allow him to stay over
47:49So I said to him well give me ten minutes I'm going upstairs and just follow me up in ten minutes
47:54So I dressed seductively in underwear that you keep just for the bedroom complete with high heels
48:01Oh my god
48:02Yes
48:03And I sort of sprawled seductively on the bed and just waited and I had my eyes closed in anticipation of what was to come
48:13And I heard the door open kept my eyes closed because I wanted to build the moment
48:18And all of a sudden my teenage son says can you call me at 6 in the morning I've got an early shift
48:24It's quite a good story
48:26It's quite sweet
48:27You can walk
48:28You can walk
48:29Go on
48:32Okay that really is all we've got time for
48:34If you'd like to have a go in the red chair yourself and tell your story you can contact us via our website
48:39Please say a huge thank you to all of my guests tonight
48:41Tom O'Dell
48:43Michelle De Schwartz
48:46We'll see you again on New Year's Eve with music guest Alison Limerick, the young star of adolescence Owen Cooper, funny man Tim Key and Will Arnett, great British actress Carrie Mulligan and Tom Hiddleston and Oscar winner Laura Dern, until then have a very happy Christmas, bye-bye!
49:12Yeah, he's back on New Year's Eve at 10.30
49:20Now, do you hear what I hear?
49:22It may just be BBC Sounds, whether you're after Mariah and Wham, or a favourite carol, your favourite Christmas music is waiting
49:30Thank you!
49:40Thank you!
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