00:00Senator, look, Democrats on this
00:02dais are accusing me of engaging
00:04in censorship, and now you're
00:05trying to encourage me to police
00:07speech on the Internet.
00:08I'm simply not going to do it.
00:09Oh, I'm just asking you.
00:10Broadcast television is-
00:11I think they are cruel.
00:12I think they hurt President
00:13Trump to say that kind of thing.
00:15I think it hurts him with trust
00:17in the American people.
00:18But this is the kind of stuff
00:20that's going on right now.
00:21And yet you are going after
00:23broadcast stations except for
00:25Fox.
00:27I would prefer to be asking
00:28questions about the bipartisan
00:30work that needs to be done on
00:31universal service and broadband
00:33and spectrum, and I'll ask that
00:35in writing.
00:36But the events of this year moved
00:38me to focus on free speech and
00:41our democracy.
00:42Chairman Carr, in 2022, you
00:44tweeted, political satire is one
00:46of the oldest and most important
00:48forms of free speech.
00:49It challenges those in power
00:51while using humor to draw more
00:52people into the discussion.
00:53That's why people in influential
00:55positions have always targeted
00:57it for censorship.
00:58Yes or no, do you still agree
01:00that political satire should be
01:02protected speech?
01:03Yes, Senator.
01:04And whenever that satire or any
01:06other programming is over the
01:07public airways for broadcasters,
01:09there's a public interest
01:10standard and there's a news
01:12distortion rule, a broadcast
01:13hoax rule.
01:14You answered it.
01:15You answered it, yes.
01:16And I'm just-
01:17Opportunity rule.
01:18I'm going to go on.
01:19That particular instance, too,
01:20had to do with speech on
01:21social media where Biden
01:22administrations were trying to
01:23shut down political speech.
01:24Again, an area where there is no
01:26license, there's no public
01:27interest standard.
01:28We'll get to that in a
01:29minute.
01:30You know, I believe, too, that
01:31there is no place in chilling
01:33political satire.
01:35But after Jimmy Kimmel's
01:36monologue, you went on a
01:37podcast and suggested that ABC
01:39should take Kimmel off the air
01:40saying, we can do this the easy
01:42way or the hard way.
01:43Those were your words.
01:44Do you think it is appropriate
01:45to use your position to
01:46threaten companies that
01:47broadcast political satire?
01:48Yes.
01:49Yes.
01:50I think any licensee that
01:51operates on the public airwaves
01:52has a responsibility to comply
01:53with the public interest
01:54standard.
01:55And that's been the case for
01:56decades.
01:57I asked if you should-
01:58if you think it's appropriate
01:59for you to use your position
02:00to threaten companies.
02:01And this incident with Kimmel
02:03wasn't an isolated event.
02:04You've launched investigations
02:05into every major broadcast
02:07network except Fox.
02:08It's not an isolated event.
02:09You've launched
02:10investigations into every
02:11major broadcast network
02:12except Fox.
02:13Is that correct?
02:14I don't know if that's true
02:15or not.
02:16We do have investigations going
02:17on NPR and PBS.
02:18We have a number of
02:19investigations that are
02:20ongoing.
02:21I think if you step back over
02:22the years, I think the FCC
02:23has walked away from enforcing
02:24the public interest standard.
02:25And I don't think that's a
02:26good thing.
02:27Okay.
02:28You brought up social media.
02:29So do you think it's
02:30appropriate for after a
02:31horrific murder and the
02:32stabbing?
02:33The stabbing?
02:34The stabbing?
02:35The stabbing?
02:36The stabbing?
02:37The stabbing?
02:38The stabbing?
02:39The stabbing?
02:40The stabbing?
02:41The stabbing of Rob Reiner and
02:44his wife?
02:45Do you think it's appropriate
02:46for someone to say that it
02:47happened when they know better
02:48reportedly due to the anger he
02:50caused others through his
02:51massive unyielding and
02:52incurable affliction with a
02:54mind crippling disease known
02:55as Trump derangement syndrome.
02:56He was known to have driven
02:57people crazy by his raging
02:58obsession of President Donald
02:59J. Trump with his obvious
03:00paranoia reaching new
03:01heights.
03:02Do you think that's
03:03appropriate for the
03:04president of Donald J.
03:05Trump?
03:06He was known to have driven
03:07people crazy by his raging
03:08obsession of President Donald
03:09Trump?
03:10Do you think that's
03:11appropriate for the president
03:12of the United States to do
03:13that?
03:14And if Jimmy Kimmel would have
03:15said that, would you have
03:16threatened to take him off the
03:17air?
03:18Senator, look.
03:19Democrats on this dais are
03:20accusing me of engaging in
03:21censorship.
03:22And now you're trying to
03:23encourage me to police speech
03:24on the internet.
03:25I'm simply not going to do it.
03:26Oh, I'm just asking you.
03:27These are the kind of
03:28words.
03:29I think they are cruel.
03:30I think they hurt President
03:31Trump to say that kind of
03:32thing.
03:33I think it hurts him with
03:34trust from the American
03:35people.
03:36But this is the kind of stuff
03:37that's going on right now.
03:39And yet you are going after
03:40broadcast stations except for
03:42Fox and making threats.
03:44Senator, we are applying the
03:45law.
03:46Let's sit back.
03:47Broadcast TV is fundamentally
03:49different than any other
03:50forms of media, whether it's
03:51cable or podcasts or soapbox
03:53or Man on the street.
03:54There's a public trustee model
03:56that Congress has set up.
03:57When you were on a podcast.
03:58But you think there should be
03:59no rules in place when it
04:00comes to tech platforms then?
04:01I think there's no public
04:02interest obligation.
04:03There is no license.
04:04Do you think we should
04:05change the laws?
04:06Here's one.
04:07Last week, President Trump
04:08came out with this dangerous
04:09and likely illegal AI rule that
04:10preempts all the states from
04:12doing anything to try to save
04:14people, whether it is kids that
04:15are being exposed to content
04:16they shouldn't see or
04:18fentanyl or political videos
04:19that are lies.
04:20So do you think Congress has
04:21that are being exposed to
04:22content they shouldn't see or
04:23fentanyl or political videos
04:24that are lies?
04:25So do you think Congress has
04:26that are being exposed to
04:27content they shouldn't see
04:29that are being exposed to
04:30the Internet?
04:31So do you think Congress has
04:32the authority to preempt state
04:33laws or do you think
04:34President Trump and the
04:35agencies like yourself have
04:37the authority to preempt
04:38state law when it comes to
04:40the Internet and safety with
04:41AI?
04:42Well, when it comes to AI in
04:43particular, there's an
04:44executive order.
04:45It asked the FCC to
04:46initiate a proceeding.
04:47We're going to initiate a
04:48proceeding.
04:49We're open minded on where
04:50that goes.
04:51But look, if you want to step
04:52back and talk about
04:53weaponization, we saw that
04:54for four years in the
04:55Biden mission.
04:56Senate Democrats,
04:57including
04:58President Trump, you are head
04:59of the FCC and Donald Trump
05:00is president.
05:01And I'm trying to deal with
05:02this right now.
05:03So I would ask you, Ms.
05:04Gomez, what are the risks of
05:05the commission trying to
05:06preempt state laws,
05:07particularly when there are
05:08no federal guardrails?
05:09Because our colleagues,
05:10despite some good efforts,
05:11refuse to pass any kind of
05:12even minimal rules when it
05:13comes to AI.
05:14What are the risks of the
05:15commission or a president
05:16then trying to preempt
05:17state laws that can
05:18legally put state laws
05:19in place?
05:20Thank you, Senator.
05:21I believe that the FCC has
05:22very dubious authority to
05:23actually preempt state laws
05:24in this case.
05:25Because without a
05:26comprehensive federal
05:27framework, there is nothing
05:28for the FCC to preempt.
05:30The communications act did
05:31not actually talk about
05:32artificial intelligence or
05:33provide authority to the
05:34FCC to do this preemption.
05:35So I'm very dubious of our
05:36authority to do so.
05:37That's a good point.
05:38That's a good point.
05:39That's a good point.
05:40That's a good point.
05:41That's a good point.
05:42That's a good point.
05:43That's a good point.
05:44Okay.
05:45Thank you very much.
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