A heated Senate hearing explodes as FCC Chairman Brendan Carr deflects responsibility over the temporary removal of Jimmy Kimmel Live! — while Sen. Ted Cruz and other lawmakers clash over free speech, media pressure, and government overreach. Carr insists broadcasters like Disney, Nexstar, and Sinclair acted on their own, despite prior warnings that appeared to threaten FCC action.
The confrontation raises serious questions about censorship, the FCC’s independence, and whether political pressure is being used to silence late-night comedy and liberal voices. As Cruz, Democrats, and fellow commissioners weigh in, critics warn the FCC may be crossing a dangerous line between regulation and retaliation.
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The confrontation raises serious questions about censorship, the FCC’s independence, and whether political pressure is being used to silence late-night comedy and liberal voices. As Cruz, Democrats, and fellow commissioners weigh in, critics warn the FCC may be crossing a dangerous line between regulation and retaliation.
#TedCruz #BrendanCarr #JimmyKimmel #FCCHearing #MediaCensorship #FreeSpeech #FCCControversy #TedCruzVsFCC #JimmyKimmelLive #PoliticalSpeech #BroadcastLicenses #DisneyABC #LateNightTV #GovernmentOverreach #BreakingNews #SenateHearing #MediaFreedom #FirstAmendment
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00:00Chairman Carr, you are not reinvigorating the public interest standard.
00:05You are weaponizing the public interest standard.
00:09That is what the Carr FCC is doing every single day.
00:14Behind me are your past tweets declaring your commitment to the First Amendment.
00:20You even defended political satire, saying in 2022, it challenges those in power.
00:25And that's why people in influential positions have always targeted it for censorship.
00:31That's why your threats against ABC and Disney over Jimmy Kimmel's political monologue were so outrageous.
00:39And here's what you said.
00:41In September of 2025, as the chairman of the FCC, we can do this the easy way or the hard way.
00:48These companies can find ways to change conduct or take action, frankly, on Kimmel.
00:55Or there's going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.
01:00Now, that statement was roundly condemned across the political spectrum.
01:03Chairman Cruz called it dangerous as hell.
01:06Chairman Carr, do you regret making that statement, yes or no?
01:11Senator Markey, thank you for the question.
01:13My job is to enforce the law as passed by Congress that includes a public interest standard.
01:19And broadcast TV is fundamentally different than any other media.
01:22We have a news distortion rule.
01:24So you don't regret making that statement.
01:26Senator, my job is to enforce the law.
01:28So you don't regret making that statement.
01:31Well, that's a refusal.
01:32Well, Senator-
01:33Take accountability for your language, for your use, your abuse of power.
01:40You will not say that you made a mistake.
01:43For example, in your response to my oversight letter in September on the Kimmel incident, you repeatedly stated that the media companies made their own decisions in preempting and suspending Kimmel.
01:57You seem to think that your words, the most powerful communications regulator in America, especially your threats, don't matter.
02:06So just to be clear, your position is that your mafia threats had nothing to do with Nexstar and Sinclair and Disney's decisions to preempt and suspend Kimmel.
02:19Is that your position, is that your point, that you had nothing to do with the suspension of Kimmel?
02:25Senator, if you look at the evidence, the express statements by every single company involved, from Nexstar to Sinclair to Disney, as recently as last week, is that they made these business decisions on their own.
02:37The record is clear on this.
02:39And again, you're refusing to take accountability for your own words.
02:44You intimidate the companies, they do what you want, and then you say, well, it was up to them.
02:50You're the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission.
02:53Actually, you're now the chairman of the Federal Censorship Commission.
02:58And these broadcasters, they feel that censorship.
03:01You have broad authority over the media industry, especially broadcasters.
03:05Your words and actions matter.
03:08Now I'm going to give you another chance to take accountability for your actions.
03:11In 2022, you said, quote, a newsroom's decision about what stories to cover and how to frame them should be beyond the reach of any government official not targeted by them, by government officials.
03:26Do you stand by that statement?
03:29This was a letter written by Senate, I'm sorry, House Democrats to cable companies, pressuring them to drop Fox News, OAN and Newsmax simply because-
03:40Because those Democrats thought they were right-wing.
03:43Do you stand by your statement?
03:44Yes, I do.
03:45I think it's inappropriate what the Democrats did there.
03:46Okay, good.
03:47I just want to get your own views out here on the record for people to hear.
03:52So in February, under your leadership, the Federal Communications Commission opened an investigation into a San Francisco radio station over its coverage of a federal immigration raid.
04:03A FCC investigation is a big deal for a local station.
04:09In a worst-case scenario, the FCC could shut down the station by revoking its license.
04:14In fact, you have repeatedly suggested over the past year that the FCC could revoke station licenses.
04:21Yet this investigation was based solely on the news content of the radio station's coverage of an immigration raid.
04:29I have the entire news statement that they put out that day.
04:34This happens every day, everywhere across the country for broadcast journalists.
04:39This investigation was based solely on this very brief statement that is an everyday coverage.
04:46And I have that transcript.
04:48And the anchor was literally reporting on the information that was released by the mayor, by the local city council member, and a community group.
04:57So you're telling me that reporting on statements from public officials and a community group is grounds for an FCC investigation?
05:06Senator, the concern there in the report was that there may have been interference with lawful ICE operations.
05:13And so we were asking questions about what happened.
05:16This is a period of time.
05:17Remember, when ICE agents were being attacked, their locations, undercover locations were being disclosed.
05:22There is nothing in here that discloses anything.
05:26There's no risk to anyone except they can provide that to us.
05:29No, no.
05:29The risk that you are exposed here is to you, to the broadcast journalist coverage.
05:34That's what really happened.
05:36The news journalists were just covering an important news story.
05:41And some conservatives were upset by the coverage.
05:43So you used your power as FCC chair to hang a sword of Damocles over a local radio station's head.
05:50And that's precisely what you warned about in 2022, the government targeting a newsroom's editorial decision.
05:57Well, guess what happened?
05:58The station demoted the anchor who first read that news report over the air and pulled back on his political coverage.
06:06You got what you wanted.
06:07One former journalist at the station said, chilling effect does not begin to describe the neutering of our political coverage.
06:15That's what you wanted.
06:17That's what you got.
06:18But it affected stations everywhere.
06:20So just let me say again, the neutering of our political coverage.
06:25This is government censorship, plain and simple.
06:28Was it a mistake in retrospect for you to say that to instigate an investigation of that San Francisco radio station?
06:37Was that a mistake?
06:38Senator, if broadcasters understand, perhaps the first time in years, that they're going to be held accountable to the public interest, to broadcast hoax rules, to the news distortion policy, I think that's a good thing.
06:48I don't have a poster board.
06:49But listen, in 2018, you signed this letter right here to the FCC.
06:53You signed a letter to the FCC asking us to investigate Sinclair's news activities.
06:58You said investigate Sinclair's news activities.
07:00And you know what happened after that?
07:02You, I, here, right now.
07:03Over 227 licenses were up for renewal or due during the Biden years.
07:07I'd ask the witness.
07:08Almost none of them were renewed after your letter.
07:11Your letter produced results.
07:12Chairman Carr.
07:12Chairman Carr.
07:13Madam Chair.
07:14Well, you're well over your time here.
07:16So in-
07:17Well, a lot of it is because-
07:18Well, no, it's not because I looked at the clock and you were already two minutes over.
07:21All right.
07:21So I'll just finish, Madam Chair.
07:22He is turning the Federal Communications Commission into the Federal Censorship Commission.
07:27It's a betrayal of the FCC's mission.
07:29You should resign, Mr. Chairman.
07:31You are creating a chilling effect-
07:32Senator, do you regret Senator's letter of the 2018 and Senator Mark, please?
07:36There's a lot of people on this committee.
07:39Please expand, Chairman Carr.
07:41We'll move to the next question.
07:43Senator Sullivan.
07:45Thank you to all the commissioners.
07:47Thanks to the committee for conducting this hearing.
07:50Chairman Carr, you and I have actually known each other for maybe 10 years now.
07:56We've had several meetings in our office and it's usually, I don't want to say mundane,
08:00but it's technocratic, it's technical, it's nonpartisan and all the rest of it.
08:04And so I'm hoping-
08:05We can do that again right here.
08:06It's fine.
08:06I'm hoping we can do that again right here, but it is a more sensitive topic.
08:10So I'm just going to ask you a couple of yes or no questions.
08:12I don't mind a quick explanation, but I'll make a promise to you not to hector you for
08:17three or four minutes if you can give me quick yes or no's or at least quick explanations.
08:22Chairman Cruz said, I think it is unbelievably dangerous for the government to put itself
08:28in the position of saying we're going to decide what speech we like and what we don't, and
08:33we're going to threaten to take you off the air if we don't like what you're saying.
08:36Do you see this issue the same way as the chairman?
08:39Well, my position on this is pretty clear.
08:42We have a public interest standard that Congress has put into the law, and there's a number
08:46of very specific rules and doctrines that flow from that, the broadcast hoax rule, the news
08:51distortion rule.
08:52In my position, and I think the Trump administration position, is that we should be enforcing those
08:57rules and policies.
08:58If Congress wants to change it, you're free to change it.
09:01So you think you have jurisdiction over political satire under the public interest standard and
09:06the news distortion standard, just to put a fine point on it?
09:09My position is that...
09:10That one is a yes or no.
09:12Do you have jurisdiction or not?
09:14We have jurisdiction with respect to the broadcast airwaves uniquely to ensure that their operations
09:20are in the public interest.
09:21There's very specific rules that are broadcast hoax and news distortion.
09:24So if there's a determination by the Federal Communications Commission that satire is not
09:33in the public interest, you believe you have the authority to revoke the license of the
09:40broadcaster?
09:41That's not my position at all.
09:43Okay.
09:43My position is if the use of the facilities is in the public interest.
09:46Then let me clarify the question.
09:48Satire that's not broadcast hoax, that's not news distortion policy, is perfectly fine.
09:53But I also don't understand the conversation about what satire are we talking about?
09:56Where was their satire?
09:58We're not doing the questions in this direction.
10:00What is the FCC's standards for making this kind of evaluation about whether news has
10:12been distorted?
10:13My understanding is that this has been used eight times.
10:16The chairman, and I think he's right, is saying, like, this is rarely invoked.
10:23And there's a reason for that.
10:24Because, yes, we have a statute that governs what the FCC is supposed to do.
10:28But basically, the FCC has decided we need to get out of the business of refereeing what
10:34is offensive.
10:35And if something is indecent or obscene, that's one thing.
10:39Right?
10:40If they're violating the terms of their broadcast license, that's another thing.
10:44If they just say an awful thing on the air, it seems to me, chairman, that's not your jurisdiction.
10:53And I know you're quick, and you understand this law backwards and forwards.
10:57I understand.
10:57I remember you when you were counsel for Chairman Pai.
11:02So I don't doubt your ability to race right into how the architecture of the originating
11:08statute.
11:09But I'm asking you, do you think it is appropriate for you to have an opinion at all in your official
11:17capacity about what a comedian says, as offensive as it may have been?
11:22Senator, my job is to implement the law passed by Congress.
11:28And Congress has said that broadcast is fundamentally different, that there's a public interest
11:32standard.
11:33Do you think there are any-
11:34Decades of precedent on this.
11:35Do you think there are any conservative commentators or conservative comedians or conservative
11:39satirists that ever say anything offensive that you would consider investigating?
11:45I'm not looking at things that are offensive or awful, to use your words.
11:49I'm looking at things that are consistent with our public interest rules and regulations.
11:54That's the full scope.
11:55And in what way-
11:56So I'm a little confused because it seems to me that in subsequent conversations, I forgot
12:00after Ted and John Thune and Dave McCormick and others said, oh, this seems like a little
12:06much for you, chairman, that you went out and you said, that was fake news.
12:09I didn't do that.
12:11This is- this is fake news.
12:12I am not doing that.
12:13I'm not going after Jimmy Kimmel.
12:15And now you're saying you have a perfect right to go after Jimmy Kimmel.
12:18And I'm wondering which one it is.
12:20No, two different things.
12:21Democrats at the time were saying that we explicitly threatened to pull a license if Jimmy Kimmel
12:26wasn't fired.
12:28That never happened.
12:29That was nothing more than projection and distortion by Democrats.
12:32What I am saying is any broadcaster that uses the airwaves, whether radio or TV, has to
12:37comply with the public interest in it.
12:38And licenses are not sacred cows.
12:40Yes, you can do things to lose a license.
12:43But if we want to change that, that's up to Congress.
12:46And one idea, for instance, is why don't we put all the broadcast TV licenses up for auction?
12:50And if people want to buy them without the public interest obligation, they can do that.
12:54But look, there was a bargain here.
12:56I mean, you're kind of tiptoeing through the tulips here, right?
12:58Because what you actually said is they have a license granted by us at the FCC that comes
13:05with an obligation to operate in the public interest.
13:08We can do this the easy way or the hard way.
13:12These companies can find ways to change conduct and take action, frankly, on Kimmel, on Kimmel,
13:19or there's going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.
13:24Chairman, my final comment is, I have actually enjoyed our relationship.
13:29I have praised you behind your back as a solid, someone I disagree with, but solid, knowledgeable
13:34person.
13:35This stuff, at least up until the last year, has been out of character, and it will not
13:39age well.
13:41And it will not age well on the conservative side of the aisle and the liberal side of
13:44the aisle.
13:45This is not American FCC behavior.
13:49And I'm hoping we can recalibrate.
13:51Let me try to understand this.
13:52Did you have an issue when Senator Markey told the FCC to investigate Sinclair for their
13:58news activities?
13:59Was there any issue raised there?
14:00I'm going to allow this because I was tough on you.
14:02You did ask me a question.
14:03This is the first time I'm ever going to respond to a question from a witness.
14:06I did not sign that letter.
14:10I would prefer to be asking questions about the bipartisan work that needs to be done on
14:15universal service and broadband and spectrum, and I'll ask that in writing.
14:19But the events of this year moved me to focus on free speech and our democracy.
14:25Chairman Carr, in 2022, you tweeted, political satire is one of the oldest and most important
14:31forms of free speech.
14:33It challenges those in power while using humor to draw more people into the discussion.
14:37That's why people in influential positions have always targeted it for censorship.
14:42Yes or no, do you still agree that political satire should be protected speech?
14:46Yes, Senator, and whenever that satire or any other programming is over the public airways
14:52for broadcasters, there's a public interest standard, and there's a news distortion rule,
14:56a broadcast hoax rule.
14:57You answered it.
14:58You answered it, yes.
14:59And I'm just...
15:00Opportunity rule.
15:00I'm going to go on.
15:01That particular instance, too, had to do with speech on social media, where Biden administrations
15:07were trying to shut down political speech.
15:08Again, an area where there is no license.
15:10There's no public interest standard.
15:12We'll get to that in a minute.
15:13We want to move us wide open speech.
15:14You know, I believe, too, that there is no place in chilling political satire.
15:18But after Jimmy Kimmel's monologue, you went on a podcast and suggested that ABC should
15:24take Kimmel off the air, saying, we can do this the easy way or the hard way.
15:29Those were your words.
15:31Do you think it is appropriate to use your position to threaten companies that broadcast
15:36political satire?
15:37I think any licensee that operates on the public airwaves has a responsibility to comply
15:43with the public interest standard.
15:45And that's been the case for decades.
15:46I asked if you should...
15:48If you think it's appropriate for you to use your position to threaten companies.
15:53And this incident with Kimmel wasn't an isolated event.
15:56You've launched investigations into every major broadcast network except Fox.
16:03Is that correct?
16:03I don't know if that's true or not.
16:05We do have investigations going on NPR and PBS.
16:09We have a number of investigations that are ongoing.
16:11I think if you step back over the years, I think the FCC has walked away from enforcing
16:15the public interest standard.
16:16And I don't think that's a good thing.
16:18Okay.
16:18You brought up social media.
16:20So do you think it's appropriate for after a horrific murder and the stabbing, the stabbing
16:26of Rob Reiner and his wife?
16:28Do you think it's appropriate for someone to say that it happened when they know better,
16:33reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive unyielding and incurable
16:39affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome.
16:44He was known to have driven people crazy by his raging obsession of President Donald J.
16:48Trump with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights.
16:52Do you think that's appropriate for the President of the United States to do that?
16:55And if Jimmy Kimmel would have said that, would have you have threatened to take him off
16:59the air?
17:00Senator, look, Democrats on this dais are accusing me of engaging in censorship.
17:04And now you're trying to encourage me to police speech on the Internet.
17:08I'm simply not going to do it.
17:09Oh, I'm just asking you.
17:10Broadcast television is-
17:11Broadcast television is-
17:11These are the kind of words.
17:11I think they are cruel.
17:12I think they hurt President Trump to say that kind of thing.
17:15I think it hurts him with trust in the American people.
17:19But this is the kind of stuff that's going on right now.
17:22And yet you are going after broadcast stations, except for Fox, and making threats.
17:28Senator, we are applying the law.
17:30Let's say broadcast TV is fundamentally different than any other forms of media,
17:35whether it's cable or podcast or soapbox or Man on the Street.
17:37There's a public trustee model that Congress has set up.
17:41When you were on a podcast-
17:41Do you think there should be no rules in place when it comes to tech platforms then?
17:46I think there's no public interest obligation.
17:48There is no license.
17:50Do you think we should change the laws?
17:51Here's one.
17:52Last week, President Trump came out with this dangerous and likely illegal AI rule
17:58that preempts all the states from doing anything to try to save people,
18:03whether it is kids that are being exposed to content they shouldn't see,
18:07or fentanyl, or political videos that are lies.
18:11So do you think Congress has the authority to preempt state laws,
18:16or do you think President Trump and the agencies like yourself have the authority to preempt state law
18:22when it comes to the Internet and safety with AI?
18:25Well, when it comes to AI in particular, there's an executive order.
18:28It asked the FCC to initiate a proceeding.
18:30We're going to initiate a proceeding.
18:31We're open-minded on where that goes.
18:33But look, if you want to step back and talk about weaponization,
18:35we saw that for four years in the Biden mission.
18:38Senate Democrats, including Democrats...
18:39Joe Biden is no longer president.
18:41You are head of the FCC, and Donald Trump is president,
18:44and I'm trying to deal with this right now.
18:46So I would ask you, Ms. Gomez,
18:48what are the risks of the commission trying to preempt state laws,
18:52particularly when there are no federal guardrails,
18:55because our colleagues, despite some good efforts,
18:57refuse to pass any kind of even minimal rules when it comes to AI?
19:01What are the risks of the commission or a president then trying to preempt state laws
19:06that can legally put state laws in place?
19:09Thank you, Senator.
19:11I believe that the FCC has very dubious authority
19:14to actually preempt state laws in this case,
19:17because without a comprehensive federal framework,
19:21there is nothing for the FCC to preempt.
19:23The Communications Act did not actually talk about artificial intelligence
19:28or provide authority to the FCC to do this preemption.
19:31So I'm very dubious of our authority to do so.
19:33That said, we have sought comment on this.
19:36Okay. Thank you very much.
19:38Another area of agreement between you and I
19:41is that Jimmy Kimball is angry, overtly partisan, and profoundly unfunny.
19:49That, sadly, is true for most late-night comedians today
19:54who seem to have been collectively broken by President Trump's election.
19:58Jimmy's remarks about Charlie Kirk were tasteless.
20:04And ABC and its affiliates would have been fully within their rights to fire him
20:08or simply to no longer air his program.
20:12That was their choice.
20:14But what government cannot do
20:16is force private entities to take actions
20:19that the government cannot take directly.
20:22Government officials threatening adverse consequences
20:26for disfavored content
20:28is an unconstitutional coercion
20:31that chills protected speech.
20:34This is why it was so insidious
20:37how the Biden administration jawboned social media
20:41into shutting down conservatives online
20:44over accurate information on COVID or voter fraud.
20:48My Democrat colleagues were persistently silent
20:53over that scandal.
20:55But I welcome them now having discovered
20:59the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights.
21:03Democrat or Republican,
21:06we cannot have the government
21:08arbitrating truth or opinion.
21:12Mr. Chairman, my question is this.
21:16So long as there is a public interest standard,
21:20shouldn't it be understood
21:21to encompass robust First Amendment protections
21:25to ensure that the FCC cannot use it to chill speech?
21:31Yes, Senator, I agree with you there.
21:33And I think the examples you laid out
21:35of weaponization during the Biden years
21:37are perfect examples.
21:38The Fox case you mentioned
21:39was a renewal for a broadcast TV license
21:42and petitioners sought to have the FCC not renew it
21:45based on content that aired on a separate cable channel.
21:50In the cable context, it's entirely different.
21:52There's no license.
21:53There's no public interest standard.
21:55So first and foremost,
21:56we have to make sure the FCC is hewing to precedent.
21:58Similarly, we saw Democrats in Congress
22:00write letters to cable companies
22:01pressuring them to drop Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax
22:05because they disagreed with the political perspectives
22:09of those cable channels.
22:10And there, again, it was cable.
22:12No broadcast license, no public interest standard.
22:15So the FCC has to write within the four corners
22:18of our precedents to be consistent with the Communications Act
22:22and the First Amendment concerns as well.
22:24Senator Lujan.
22:25Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
22:26Chairman Carr, yes or no, and please, yes or no,
22:29is the FCC an independent agency?
22:31Senator, thanks for that question.
22:35Yes or no is all we need, sir.
22:36Yes or no, is it independent?
22:38Well, there's a test for this in the law,
22:40in the key portion of that test.
22:41Yes or no, Brendan?
22:42The key portion of that test is...
22:44Okay, I'm going to go to Commissioner Trustee.
22:45So just so you know, Brendan, on your website,
22:48it just simply says, man, the FCC is independent.
22:51This isn't a trick question.
22:52Okay, the FCC is not...
22:53Yes or no.
22:53Is not.
22:54Okay.
22:54Is not an independent...
22:55So is your website wrong?
22:56Is your website lying?
22:58Possibly.
22:58The FCC is not an independent agency.
23:00Okay, can I read this to you?
23:01The FCC's mission on the homepage of the FCC, man,
23:05an independent U.S. government agency overseen by Congress.
23:09Is that factual or is that a lie?
23:11The FCC is not formally an independent agency.
23:14Is this true or is this a lie?
23:16I'm happy to answer your question.
23:17Okay.
23:18The sin qua non of independence is being removable by the president.
23:22Chairman, I have a little bit of a time.
23:23I'll get back to you, sir.
23:24The FCC is not an independent agency, formally speaking.
23:26Appreciate you saying that and being honest with the American people.
23:28Commissioner Trustee?
23:30Senator, thank you for the question.
23:33The president is the chief executive bested with all executive power in our government
23:37and FCC commissioners are not...
23:39We do not have four-cause removal protections, which means that we aren't independent.
23:43So is your website lying?
23:45I can't speak to the website.
23:46I've not seen that.
23:47You all are the commissioners in charge of this place, right?
23:49So this stuff has to be approved by one of you.
23:51If this is lying, then you should just fix it.
23:53Let me just say that.
23:54That wasn't even my gotcha question.
23:55And I'm surprised that I've burned up three minutes talking about this damn thing.
23:59Commissioner Gomez?
24:02Yes, and we should be.
24:03I appreciate that.
24:04Well, Mr. Chairman, if I could just submit the printout of the homepage of the FCC into the record,
24:09man, it says it's an independent agency.
24:10And if it's not true, then change it.
24:14Without objection.
24:15I appreciate that.
24:17Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
24:19I have to say, every so often in this place, it almost feels like you're having an out-of-body experience
24:27where you're, like, watching something happen, and you can't believe it's happening.
24:32So the idea that my Democrat colleagues are so offended that the First Amendment may be or may not be violated
24:45by some comment you made, I think is just extraordinary, given the last four years that we lived through.
24:52I happen to know something about it.
24:54I filed the Missouri v. Biden lawsuit that a federal judge ruled was the most massive attack against free speech in U.S. history,
25:05where entire agencies, and we sat through the depositions, were weaponized against the American people
25:11on the instruction of the federal government, and not just one agency, but a leviathan of agencies
25:16that had words and phrases that you shall not utter in the United States of America or you are censored.
25:21So you don't get to censor speech, you don't get to outsource that censorship to universities
25:26or social media companies, which is exactly what was happening.
25:31And go so far as to actually create, and I would challenge anybody in this committee
25:36if they raise the objection to this, literally a disinformation governance board
25:41in the United States of America.
25:45You remember the Mary Poppins character who was singing?
25:48In the United States of America, not like in 1898, not in 1799, like three years ago.
26:00And so to sit here and listen to all this stuff about, you know, wearing the white hat on free speech
26:06is laughable, laughable.
26:08So anyway, that's not, I just, I can't help myself sometimes.
26:11I just, I wanted to get to these questions first, but I just, listening to this is incredible.
26:17So anyway.
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