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A massive controversy has erupted as Congress leader and former Maharashtra Chief Minister Prithviraj Chavan claimed that India was 'completely defeated' on Day 1 of Operation Sindoor.
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00:00Hello and welcome to an India First special broadcast. I'm Gaurav Savan.
00:04Former Maharashtra Chief Minister and Senior Congress Leader Prithvirat Chavad has stirred a harness nest with his statement on Operation Sindur.
00:15Not only did he say that the entire Indian Air Force was grounded on day one, he termed that a defeat for India or words to that effect.
00:25He also questioned the need for a standing army of about 12 to 15 lakhs.
00:32He said numbers do not matter. The soldiers need to be put to better use or different use of words to that effect. Listen in.
00:41Operation Sindur's smear campaign.
00:50Congress Neta amplifying Pakistan propaganda.
00:55Defeated by Pakistan on Day One Assertion.
01:11India slams insult of forces valor.
01:14Betraying Bharat in the name of Modi hate.
01:27So was Day One of Operation Sindur a total defeat for the Indian Air Force?
01:35The former Maharashtra Chief Minister Prithvirat Chavad claims so.
01:39He says India was completely defeated on Day One of Operation Sindur.
01:43The senior Congress leader then went on to say that Indian Air Force was grounded and that Indian Air Force fighter jets were shot down during conflict.
01:51He then said Pakistan was supported by Chinese intelligence during the operation.
01:56The BJP has hit out at the Congress Party, not just at Prithvirat Chavad, but saying this is the mindset of the Congress Party,
02:05that they're demoralizing the armed forces, speaking the language of the enemy and emboldening the adversaries of words to that effect.
02:16We get you more in this report.
02:46Operation Sindur, India's decisive response to the Pahalgam terror attack, stood as a bold display of our military resolve and strategic superiority.
02:59The extent of damage inflicted on the enemy has been laid out, point by point, by the highest officers in the armed forces.
03:08At least five fighters confirmed kills and one large aircraft, which could be either an Alint aircraft or an AWNC aircraft,
03:17which was taken on at a distance of about 300 kilometers.
03:21This is actually the largest ever recorded surface-to-air kill that we can talk about.
03:28But more than seven months after Pakistan was delivered a lesson, it will never forget.
03:36Voices within India continue to question what the armed forces achieved.
03:42Prithvirat Chavan is one of them.
03:44The former Maharashtra chief minister claims India was defeated on day one of Operation Sindur.
03:51Echoing narratives pushed across the border, the Congress leader alleged Indian aircraft were shot down
03:59and that the Air Force chose not to deploy its jets out of fear of Pakistani retaliation.
04:06And it did not end there.
04:34Prithvirat Chavan went on to question the very need for maintaining a 12 lakh strong Indian army.
04:42Operation Sindur made a pilot.
04:44The military has been a long distance of 1 kilometer.
04:47We have been able to get 12 lakhs in the army.
04:51We will do another one.
04:54A political storm followed.
04:57NDA leaders accused the former Maharashtra chief minister of parroting Pakistan's lines.
05:04Calling him yet another Congress voice undermining India's forces.
05:09Javan remains defiant.
05:35No apology.
05:37No retraction.
05:38He insists he is well within his rights to make such claims.
05:42Sir, you have a right to ask questions.
05:46The Congress party too has chosen silence over condemnation.
05:59Instead, turning its guns on the prime minister and the government.
06:04The government maintains every objective of Operation Sindur was achieved.
06:27The military leadership stands by it.
06:29Even sections in Pakistan have conceded.
06:33Yet Congress and its leaders refuse to accept it.
06:37Choosing political opportunism over acknowledging India's military success.
06:42Bureau Report, India Today.
06:49So was the Indian Air Force grounded?
06:51Was Indian Air Force defeated?
06:53Joining me on this India First special broadcast is Air Marshal Sanjeev Kapoor.
06:57He's former Director General of Flight Safety and Inspections, a fighter pilot himself.
07:01Sanjay Jha is a political analyst formerly with the Congress.
07:04Joins us as a political commentator.
07:06Sushant Sarin is Senior Fellow of the Observer Research Foundation.
07:10This comment clearly is going viral in Pakistan.
07:14Of Prithvirat Chawad.
07:15Also with me is Tuhin Sina, National Spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party.
07:19But Air Marshal Kapoor, let me begin by asking you.
07:23On day one, was the Indian Air Force defeated and grounded?
07:29Absolutely not.
07:33The warfare is not, you know, spoken in studios and it is not discussed.
07:39The people with armchairs sitting on chairs, the way we are discussing warfare.
07:46In any conflict, we took the preemptive.
07:50And thereafter, it is, you know, something called as denying the retaliation
07:56was the process which is followed everywhere.
07:59So, when you begin a conflict, thereafter, you have to fall back, assess.
08:05And that is what the Indian Air Force did on the first day.
08:08We took out the nine targets.
08:09The aim being to convey that we have just hit the terrorist targets
08:15which perpetrated the Pahlgham incident.
08:19So, had the enemy decided, they would have left the conflict there only.
08:23But knowing them, knowing the tactics, we were expecting a retaliation.
08:28And in that, all our assets, immediately after the first strike, were put on high alert.
08:35Be it our fighters, be it our surface-to-air missiles, be it our radars,
08:40be it our electronic warfare equipment.
08:42And these were put immediately because we were expecting a backlash.
08:46And as a part of tactics, all the assets...
08:49Say again.
08:53Fair enough.
08:54I want to bring in Sanjay Jha for a quick response.
08:56Sanjay Jha, what would you make of Prithvirat Chavan's statement?
08:59He's former Chief Minister of Maharashtra.
09:03He's served in the Prime Minister's office.
09:05Why would he say something like this?
09:08Good evening, Gaurav, to you and to my fellow panelists on the program.
09:12This is a very serious subject because a lot of people have made allegations starting with the BJP.
09:19And since I believe the BJP is a very farcical political party,
09:23I need to kind of address this head-on.
09:25This is, to start with, this is a political party that still has to apologize to the people of India
09:31for Pulwama and Pergam.
09:33That has not yet even happened as we talk.
09:36But let's address what Mr. Chavan has mentioned.
09:39Let me make a disclaimer, Gaurav, right at the very beginning, in all honesty.
09:43Not only has he been a senior colleague of mine in the Congress,
09:46he's a very dear friend of mine.
09:48Now let me just make the point, and I will come to critical points of what he said.
09:52Go back to what General V.P. Malik, Chief of Army Staff during the Kargil War,
09:58the tweet that he made when the ceasefire was announced.
10:01What did he say?
10:02He said categorically in his tweet, what did we achieve by this abrupt ceasefire?
10:08We launched the attack.
10:10And the question that both an eminent General V.P. Malik,
10:13I don't think anybody is like him on the panel with due respects,
10:16if he says that what did we achieve,
10:19the question that we need to introspect on,
10:22since we launched the attack on Pakistan,
10:24justified,
10:25what did we really suddenly bring the ceasefire for?
10:29Number two,
10:30you have the CDS.
10:32Sir, my question to you is very specific.
10:35He says on day one, we were defeated.
10:37On day one,
10:39we were defeated.
10:40Was Indian Air Force defeated
10:42on day one?
10:43He's a dear friend of yours.
10:45He's a senior Congress leader.
10:46His statements are now going viral in Pakistan
10:49that Indian Air Force was defeated.
10:51Pakistan says this.
10:52Why would a senior Congress leader say this?
10:55Why do you think he was defeated?
10:56India was defeated on day one?
10:58Gaurav, since you're in your panel of four,
11:02and if I include you five people,
11:04I'm the only one who has got to explain
11:07the rationale behind Mr. Chawan's statement.
11:10It will only be pertinent and fair
11:12if you do not interrupt me
11:13till I put my point of view on the table
11:16and I'm not going to take too long.
11:18I'm not going to indulge in verbal diarrhea
11:19like the Indian Prime Minister.
11:21So let me come to the point immediately.
11:24General Anil Chauhan, our CDS,
11:28was in record in Singapore to say,
11:30and I think one should applaud him
11:31for his candidness
11:32because this government is not transparent,
11:35saying that, yes,
11:36we did suffer reverses
11:37in terms of jet losses.
11:38He didn't specify any number.
11:40And that led to a recalibration of the strategy.
11:43You even had Captain Shiv Kumar, by the way.
11:45I'm quoting people
11:46from the Indian Defence Forces.
11:48Captain Shiv Kumar,
11:49part of the Indonesian, I think,
11:51defence attache,
11:53where he went on record
11:54to say there was a political influence
11:56which inhibited the Indian defence
11:58or the Indian army
11:59or the Indian air force
12:00from taking the battle to Pakistan
12:02to its logical conclusion.
12:04My last point,
12:05which is the most disappointing, Gaurav,
12:07and since you follow national security
12:09very closely,
12:10and I have admired you
12:11and followed you very closely,
12:13when the U.S. government,
12:14this is a U.S. congressional report,
12:16by the way, okay?
12:17This is not Prithvi Raj Chawan
12:19talking through his head.
12:20When the U.S. government,
12:21this is the U.S. government's view,
12:23and I quote from that report,
12:24the U.S. government report says
12:26on the Operation Sindhuur
12:28and the Pakistan-India skirmish
12:30or the conflict,
12:31as we decide to call it,
12:32Pakistan's,
12:33this is their quote,
12:34Pakistan's military success over India
12:37showcased Chinese weaponry.
12:40Did we really contradict that?
12:41Was there any propaganda blitzkrieg by us
12:44to tackle that head-on?
12:45No.
12:46We have allowed the narrative of this war
12:48to be won by Pakistan
12:50because of our own incompetence,
12:52ham-handedness,
12:53and ineptness.
12:54That is the bottom line.
12:56Prithvi Raj Chawan is raising...
12:57Respond to him, Sinha.
12:59Respond to him, Sinha.
13:00Prithvi Raj Chawan,
13:01according to Sanjay Jha
13:02and the Congress,
13:03is raising some very pertinent points.
13:09Yes, good evening.
13:10Kaurav, good evening, everybody.
13:12And please give me some time
13:13because, you know,
13:13Sanjay's had a long run over here.
13:16Now, Prithvi Raj Chawan's statements
13:18are problematic at two levels.
13:20One, there is zero understanding
13:22of modern warfare
13:23when he asks why do we need
13:2512 black, you know, army men.
13:27For somebody who has witnessed
13:29the humiliation of...
13:29I'll come to the army
13:30in just a moment.
13:31I want to stay on the aspect
13:32of air force.
13:33And my questions are very direct.
13:35I don't know why my questions
13:36are not being answered directly
13:37either by Sanjay Jha
13:38or by you.
13:39My question is direct.
13:40Did the air force
13:41rule the battle on day one
13:42according to...
13:43So, let's come to that part.
13:46Not at all.
13:47Not at all.
13:48Does 100 terrorists
13:51being neutralized,
13:53is that, you know,
13:53is that a sign of defeat?
13:55Obviously, you know,
13:56we were not expecting,
13:57you know, for us,
13:58it was retribution.
13:59It was not an expansionist war.
14:01We recalibrated our strategy
14:03and Pakistan retaliated
14:05and on the third day,
14:06we, you know,
14:08kind of decimated
14:0812 PAF air bases.
14:1112 PAF air bases
14:13being destroyed.
14:14100 plus terrorists
14:15for terror crimes
14:16dating back to 1999
14:18being neutralized.
14:19Is that a defeat
14:20for the Congress Party?
14:21Where does this Congress Party
14:22get this mindset from?
14:24It gets it from Rahul Gandhi.
14:26It gets it from Rahul Gandhi
14:28who barely 10 days
14:29after Operation Sindhuur
14:31was halted,
14:32tried to convert
14:33a victory into surrender
14:34and subsequently,
14:35all of their political leaders,
14:37whether it is Ghargya
14:38who called it a Chutput war,
14:40whether it is Revant Reddy
14:41who, you know,
14:41again said Pakistan,
14:43we could not defeat Pakistan,
14:45all of their leaders
14:46are deliberately
14:47towing a pro-Pakistan line.
14:49And I think Congress
14:49needs to answer that.
14:50Why do they not trust our DGMOs?
14:52Why do they not trust our DGMOs
14:54when they give a particular
14:55list of 12 PAF air bases?
14:57We may have suffered
14:58minimal damage,
14:59but that is,
15:00that is, you know,
15:01inconsequential.
15:02As Rajnath ji has explained
15:03in Parliament,
15:04you don't count the amount of ink.
15:06You don't count the,
15:07you know,
15:07amount of ink
15:08which you spend
15:09in standing first in an exam.
15:11This is something
15:11which the Congress Party
15:12is not able to understand today.
15:15Okay.
15:16Okay, because this is,
15:17this is what the Pakistan
15:19have been claiming
15:20all along, Sanjay Jha,
15:22that, you know,
15:23Indian Air Force was grounded,
15:25that Indian Air Force
15:25was defeated.
15:27The Air Force
15:28has countered it,
15:29including
15:30Chief of Air Staff,
15:32Air Chief Marshal AP Singh.
15:34But I want to bring in
15:35Sushant Sareen
15:36because few people
15:37watch Pakistan
15:38as closely
15:39as Sushant Sareen.
15:40And Sushant Sareen
15:41on day one.
15:42And I will take this
15:43day by day,
15:45need be,
15:46hour by hour.
15:47Sushant Sareen,
15:48was India
15:49defeated
15:50or was Pakistan
15:52soundly defeated
15:53with Mureed Ke
15:54and Bahawalpur
15:55hit for the first time
15:56ever?
15:57Something
15:58that I don't know
15:59why
15:59India seems to want to
16:01or some Indians
16:02want to downplay
16:03hitting terror
16:04at its headquarters.
16:05Lashkar-e-Taiwa
16:06and Jaish-e-Mohamad
16:07at their headquarters
16:07in Pakistan's
16:09Punjab province.
16:09You're on mute,
16:15Sushant.
16:18Sorry.
16:20Some Indians
16:20that you're talking
16:21about,
16:22they are Indians
16:22who revel
16:24in the prospect
16:25and the possibility
16:27of India
16:27being defeated,
16:28humiliated,
16:29because that is
16:30what they believe
16:32will shine
16:32their politics.
16:34So,
16:34they will do
16:35everything to
16:36undermine India
16:37and they follow
16:37the Jinnat dictum
16:38that you have
16:40to destroy India,
16:42you will either
16:43destroy India
16:43or you will
16:45rule it
16:45and there is
16:46no other way.
16:47So,
16:48they are hell-bent
16:48on doing
16:49what they are doing.
16:50Hopefully,
16:51you know,
16:52they will not
16:52get the chance.
16:53But people like
16:54Prithviraj Chauhan
16:55who I at least
16:56at one point of time
16:57believed
16:57was one of the
16:59most enlightened
17:00leaders of the
17:01Congress Party,
17:02I suppose
17:03the rest of the
17:04Congress seems
17:04to have rubbed off
17:05on him as well.
17:06So,
17:07he's made a
17:07ridiculous statement.
17:08Now,
17:09let's look at
17:10the factual part
17:11of it.
17:12What was the
17:12objective of
17:13Operation Sindhuur?
17:14That either
17:15we will do
17:15what the
17:16Congress Party
17:16was doing
17:17all along
17:17that a terrorist
17:19would come,
17:19attack,
17:20kill 160 people
17:21in cold blood
17:22and you would
17:23have no response
17:24or you would
17:25seek permission
17:25from Pakistan
17:26to attack Pakistan.
17:28Either you
17:28would do that,
17:29okay,
17:29or you would
17:30say that
17:30no,
17:31we are going
17:31to hit back
17:32and we will
17:32hit back hard.
17:33We don't want
17:34a wider war.
17:35We want a
17:36limited operation
17:37but we will
17:38strike back.
17:39So,
17:39you struck back,
17:40you hit nine
17:41terrorist bases
17:42and then
17:44there was a
17:45political
17:47decision
17:47which was
17:48taken
17:48that you
17:48don't want
17:49a wider
17:49war.
17:50You want
17:50a punitive
17:51operation.
17:52So,
17:52you went
17:53and did it.
17:53The Pakistanis
17:54retaliated as
17:55the air
17:55marshal
17:55has very
17:56correctly
17:56said.
17:57The Pakistanis
17:57retaliate.
17:58You are
17:58prepared for
17:59it.
18:00I don't know
18:00whether we
18:01took any
18:01hits.
18:01Maybe we
18:02did.
18:02Maybe we
18:02didn't.
18:03Maybe there
18:03was some
18:04damage.
18:04We don't
18:05know.
18:05But whenever
18:06something like
18:07this comes
18:07from the
18:08adversary,
18:08you recalibrate
18:09and you
18:10hit back.
18:11So,
18:11right from
18:12day two
18:12onwards,
18:13you will
18:14see the
18:15drone attacks
18:16and the
18:17attacks on
18:18air defense
18:18systems in
18:19Pakistan,
18:20in Lahore,
18:21in Islamabad,
18:21in other
18:22places.
18:22Now,
18:23all of this
18:23is on
18:24television.
18:25Now,
18:25people like
18:25Sanjay Jakin
18:26keep repeating
18:27that old
18:27stuff which
18:28they keep
18:28repeating all
18:29the time.
18:29They keep
18:30regurgitating
18:30their own
18:31lies,
18:32thinking that
18:32it will
18:32become the
18:33truth.
18:33But the
18:33fact of
18:34the matter
18:34remains right
18:35from the
18:35second day
18:36and the
18:36third day
18:37when
18:37unfortunately
18:38you guys
18:40unnecessarily
18:41exacerbated
18:42Indian
18:42successes when
18:43we were
18:44hitting
18:44Karachi,
18:45not the
18:45port,
18:46we were
18:47hitting the
18:47Karachi air
18:48defense systems
18:49in the
18:49Malir
18:49cant.
18:50Malir
18:50cant is
18:51Karachi,
18:51heart of
18:52Karachi,
18:52right?
18:53People who
18:54probably have
18:54seen Dhurander,
18:55there were
18:55some people
18:56who are
18:56allergic to
18:57movies like
18:57Dhurander
18:58would not
18:58have seen
18:58it.
18:59But maybe
18:59they can
18:59see a
19:00map of
19:00Karachi to
19:01understand where
19:01Malir
19:02cantonment
19:02is.
19:03And they'll
19:03get to
19:03know,
19:04hitting
19:04Malir
19:05cantonment,
19:06what an
19:06achievement
19:06that is.
19:07But forget
19:07Malir
19:08cantonment,
19:08a whole
19:09range of
19:09air defense
19:11systems were
19:11taken out
19:12on day
19:12two and
19:12day three.
19:13And on
19:14day four,
19:14that particular
19:15night,
19:16the 10th,
19:16early morning,
19:17when the
19:18Pakistanis were
19:19wanting to
19:19announce their
19:20Banyan
19:21Chaddi operation,
19:22what happened?
19:23All their
19:23big air bases
19:24were taken
19:25out, their
19:25command and
19:25control systems
19:26were taken
19:26out.
19:27What else
19:28do you think
19:28prompted them to
19:29follow?
19:29Day two,
19:30three and
19:30four in
19:31just a moment.
19:32Sir, I
19:33have followed
19:34this.
19:35If this is
19:36the definition
19:37of defeat
19:37for the
19:38Congress,
19:38then what
19:39does one say
19:40about a
19:40party like
19:41this?
19:41I'm glad
19:41that they
19:42are in
19:43opposition and
19:43I hope
19:44they will
19:45never come
19:45to power.
19:46That's all
19:46I can say.
19:48Okay,
19:48that's for the
19:49electorate to
19:49decide,
19:50Sushant Sareen,
19:51but I want to
19:51bring in Sanjay
19:52Jha since you
19:52specifically named
19:53him.
19:54And before I
19:54bring in
19:55General Sanjay
19:55Mestal who
19:55joins me on
19:56this broadcast,
19:56General,
19:57welcome.
19:58Sanjay Jha,
19:59you know,
20:00day one,
20:01we've in
20:03this country
20:04and you live
20:05in the city
20:05of Mumbai,
20:06right?
20:06We've had
20:072611 Mumbai
20:08terror attacks,
20:09we did not
20:09hit back.
20:10We've had
20:101993 terror
20:11attacks in
20:12Mumbai,
20:13serial blasts
20:13in Mumbai,
20:14we did not
20:14hit back.
20:15We've had a
20:16number of
20:16attacks.
20:16this is the
20:17first time
20:18that Pakistan
20:19was hit
20:20in Punjab
20:21province,
20:22in Mureedke,
20:22in Bahawalpur,
20:24nine terror
20:25camps destroyed,
20:26taken out,
20:27hundred plus
20:28terrorists killed.
20:29Pakistanis are
20:30crying.
20:31But then they
20:32say India
20:32ki defeat hoi,
20:33our own leaders
20:34say India was
20:35defeated on day
20:36one.
20:36Sir, how does
20:37this add up?
20:38Does Prithvirat Chavan
20:39or the Congress
20:40Party not see
20:41Mureedke and
20:42Bahawalpur being
20:43hit for the
20:43first time ever?
20:44Gaurav, give
20:47me again adequate
20:48time.
20:48I won't take
20:49too long.
20:49The Congress
20:50Party does not
20:51have to explain
20:52to any right-wing
20:53political analyst
20:54or some
20:55Sanghi sympathizers
20:56about its role
20:57in India's
20:58history.
20:58Besides the
20:59freedom struggle,
21:00decisive war
21:01victories against
21:02Pakistan in
21:031947, 1965
21:05and 1971.
21:07So let me
21:07refresh that
21:08very COVID-driven
21:10memory.
21:11Point number
21:12two, very
21:12important,
21:13that you
21:14know, Gaurav,
21:14you know it.
21:15Heads of
21:16state have
21:17their own
21:18political roles
21:19to play.
21:20When Donald
21:21Trump goes to
21:22the United
21:22Nations, and
21:23I'm quoting
21:23Donald Trump
21:24because he's
21:25Modi's
21:25counterpart, he
21:27goes to the
21:28United Nations
21:29after making
21:29over 30,
21:30100 statements
21:31that he
21:32brokered a
21:33ceasefire that
21:34prevented a
21:34nuclear annihilation
21:36between two
21:36countries, he
21:38said that seven
21:38big, beautiful
21:40jets were brought
21:41down.
21:41did you hear
21:42India's prime
21:43minister contradict
21:44him?
21:45In fact, the
21:45news media is
21:46flooded.
21:47But did he
21:47say Indian
21:48jets or
21:48Pakistani jets?
21:50Why is
21:50somebody presuming
21:51it's Indian
21:52jets?
21:52Did he
21:53specify which
21:53country is
21:54jets?
21:55Because chief
21:55of air
21:55staff went
21:56on record to
21:56say that
21:57Pakistani jets
21:58were destroyed.
21:59F-16s,
21:59JF-17s,
22:00AWNC aircraft.
22:03Yeah, Gaurav,
22:03one minute,
22:04one minute,
22:04let me explain
22:05to you.
22:06I said big,
22:07beautiful jets,
22:07I didn't say
22:08which country,
22:08it could have
22:09been three,
22:09four, or
22:10whichever country.
22:10That is not
22:11the point.
22:11The point is
22:12that the
22:12Indian
22:13government,
22:14and I've
22:14read the
22:14U.S.
22:14Congress
22:15report redacted
22:16paragraph as
22:17well, the
22:18Indian
22:18government,
22:19particularly
22:19India's
22:20prime minister,
22:21has been
22:22very, very
22:23circumspect,
22:24if not
22:24altogether silent,
22:26on taking
22:26on Mr.
22:27Donald Trump.
22:28That's exactly
22:28the reason why
22:29there is a lot
22:30of obfuscation
22:31and the
22:32narrative war
22:32has been
22:33actually dominated
22:34by Pakistan.
22:35Because the
22:35Indian
22:36prime minister
22:36has been
22:37found to be
22:37weak when
22:38he's been
22:38called to take
22:39on Donald
22:40Trump, which
22:41is the
22:41reason why
22:41there has
22:42been a lot
22:42of speculative
22:43gossip.
22:44And I think
22:44the Indian
22:45defense forces
22:46deserve better.
22:47Nobody is
22:47talking about
22:48the bravery
22:49or the
22:49capability or
22:50the success
22:51of the Indian
22:51military forces.
22:52The question
22:53is India's
22:54political
22:54masters have
22:55agreed to
22:56stand up for
22:56a country.
22:57The staff went
22:57on record.
22:58Chief of
22:59air staff,
22:59air chief
23:00marshal
23:00AP Singh,
23:01giving details
23:02of the
23:03six Pakistani
23:04jets that
23:05were downed.
23:06He said
23:06so in
23:07as many
23:07words.
23:08He's the
23:09air chief,
23:10air chief
23:10marshal
23:10AP Singh.
23:11He gave
23:12details of
23:12the longest
23:13hit that
23:14destroyed a
23:15Pakistani
23:15AWNC
23:16aircraft,
23:17airborne early
23:18warning command
23:18and control
23:19aircraft,
23:19300 kilometers
23:20away, deep
23:21inside Pakistan,
23:22the longest
23:23hit by an
23:23S-400.
23:25But then we
23:25say it's
23:25India's
23:26defeat.
23:26But the
23:27very pertinent
23:28point made
23:28by Sanjay
23:29Jha,
23:29Tuhin
23:30Sinha,
23:30is India
23:31losing the
23:32narrative war
23:32because even
23:33the air chief
23:34spoke months
23:35later.
23:36The narrative
23:36Pakistan ran
23:37away with it
23:38from day one
23:38saying what
23:39it said even
23:40in 1965
23:41incidentally,
23:42we have
23:42downed six
23:43Indian jets
23:44on day one.
23:45That's the
23:45narrative,
23:46that's the
23:46template and
23:47BJP or the
23:48government has
23:48learned nothing
23:49from the
23:49template.
23:49You know,
23:50Governor of
23:50the
23:51Congress
23:54Party had
23:55just followed
23:55the DGMO's
23:56press conference
23:57in detail on
23:5811th May,
23:59one day after
24:00the ceasefire,
24:01if they had
24:01followed the
24:02Prime Minister's
24:03address to the
24:03nation the
24:04next day on
24:0512th May and
24:06the explainer of
24:07India's foreign
24:08secretary on
24:0918th June after
24:10Prime Minister
24:11Modi had a
24:11telephone conversation
24:13with Donald
24:14Trump,
24:15they would have
24:15no doubts
24:16about the
24:17reasons for the
24:17ceasefire and
24:18how the
24:19ceasefire happened.
24:19But the
24:20problem is this
24:20Congress Party
24:21does not trust
24:22the Indian
24:22establishment,
24:23the Indian
24:24government,
24:25Rahul Gandhi
24:25did not trust
24:26it during
24:26Doklam where
24:27instead of
24:27reaching out
24:28to the
24:28defense
24:28minister,
24:29he reached
24:29out to the
24:29Chinese
24:30embassy.
24:30They don't
24:31trust,
24:31tend to
24:31trust the
24:32Indian
24:32government.
24:33And so far
24:33as the
24:34communication
24:35goes,
24:36you know,
24:36please understand
24:37Donald Trump
24:38has said many
24:39different things
24:40to many
24:40different countries.
24:42You know,
24:42it is for the
24:43Congress Party
24:43to count how
24:44many times
24:45he said what,
24:46but these
24:46three detailed
24:48explanations were
24:49sufficient if the
24:50Congress Party,
24:51the problem with
24:51this Congress Party
24:52is that it is
24:53overcome,
24:53still overcome
24:54by guilt of
24:56its inaction over
24:57the last many
24:57decades.
24:58You know,
24:59it knows that
24:59it squandered
25:00away,
25:00gave away 40,000
25:02square kilometers
25:02of land to
25:03China.
25:03It knows that
25:04it could not
25:04react after any
25:05of the terror
25:06attacks between
25:072004 to 2014.
25:08It is their
25:09guilt which
25:10makes it very
25:11difficult to
25:11accept that
25:12now we have
25:13a government
25:13which takes
25:14decisive action,
25:15which more
25:16than compensates
25:17for the enemy
25:18action.
25:18This is something
25:19which the
25:19Congress Party
25:19has not been
25:20able to digest.
25:20I want to
25:21bring in
25:21General Meston
25:21and General
25:22Meston has
25:22been very
25:23patiently
25:23listening to
25:24this conversation.
25:24General,
25:25welcome.
25:25General Meston,
25:27you study
25:27military history,
25:29you analyze
25:30military operations
25:31and in your
25:31appreciation,
25:32was Indian
25:34Air Force
25:34defeated on
25:36day one
25:36as senior
25:38Congress
25:38leader and
25:39former
25:39Maharashtra
25:40Chief Minister
25:40Prithviraj Chavar
25:41claims.
25:42I am very
25:43very clear.
25:44Luckily I
25:45was on
25:45Aftar channel
25:46the same
25:46very night
25:47when the
25:47operation
25:47happened and
25:49thereafter one
25:49was covering
25:50this in so
25:51many media
25:51channels and
25:53I am very
25:53clear we
25:54had a total
25:55victory.
25:55The purpose
25:56of armed
25:57forces is
25:57very very
25:58clear.
25:59In war
25:59there are
26:00no runners
26:01out and
26:02the Indian
26:02armed forces
26:03have given
26:03a befitting
26:04reply and a
26:05befitting message
26:06and defeat
26:07to Pakistan
26:08armed forces
26:08it was very
26:09very clear
26:10it was seen
26:10by the
26:11entire world.
26:12Narrative
26:13building is not
26:14defined by
26:15President Trump
26:16as it is we
26:17have heard what
26:17his chief of
26:18staff has
26:19stated.
26:21The chief of
26:21staff of
26:22Donald Trump
26:22in the White
26:23House what
26:23has she stated
26:24about him.
26:25So narratives
26:26are defined by
26:26the Indian
26:27armed forces
26:28and the
26:29political
26:29military objectives
26:30were established
26:31or set by
26:32the government
26:33of India
26:34the present
26:34government of
26:35India and
26:36that was
26:36executed in
26:37the most
26:37precise manner.
26:39Now day one
26:39coming on to
26:40day one's
26:41operation I
26:42think we have
26:42executed it
26:43with such
26:43finish there
26:44was no
26:45collateral damage.
26:47There are two
26:47wars going on
26:48today.
26:48Russia, Ukraine
26:49and of course
26:50Israel, Hamas
26:51is not over.
26:52We have seen
26:53the collateral
26:53damage done
26:54in these two
26:56wars.
26:57Did India do
26:57any collateral
26:58damage?
26:58No.
26:59The 100
27:00terrorists were killed
27:01in the first
27:02day of
27:02strike.
27:03Successful
27:04operations,
27:04total surprise
27:05achieved over
27:06the enemy.
27:07So I would
27:08say it was
27:08total victory
27:09and who
27:09begged for
27:11the ceasefire.
27:12It is the
27:12Pakistan DGMO
27:13who asked
27:14for ceasefire.
27:15Yes,
27:15America was
27:16taking to
27:17And I will
27:18come to that
27:18in just a
27:19moment.
27:19You are
27:19absolutely
27:20right.
27:20So you are
27:20all on day
27:21four.
27:21I am staying
27:22on day one.
27:23When it comes
27:24to the element
27:25of surprise
27:26there,
27:26Marshal
27:26Kapoor,
27:27let's be
27:27fair,
27:29the Chinese
27:30satellite
27:30intelligence
27:31did give
27:32a heads
27:33up to
27:33Pakistan.
27:34The
27:34information
27:35that is
27:35coming out
27:36is even
27:36when our
27:37aircraft were
27:37forming up
27:39for their
27:40strikes,
27:40the Chinese
27:41satellites were
27:41warning them,
27:43forewarning and
27:43forearming the
27:44Pakistanis and
27:45that is why
27:46reports seem
27:48to indicate
27:49that the
27:50Pakistanis also
27:51had not to
27:52deny that
27:52India hit
27:53nine targets
27:54successfully,
27:55including
27:56Mureetke and
27:56Bahawalpur.
27:57But is there
27:58merit in the
27:59fact that
28:01Prithvirat
28:03Chawad mentions
28:04IEF was
28:04completely
28:05grounded,
28:06not a single
28:06aircraft was
28:07flying,
28:08if any
28:09aircraft had
28:10taken off
28:10from Gwalior,
28:11Batinda or
28:11Sirsa,
28:12there was
28:13high probability
28:13of it being
28:14shot down.
28:15How would
28:15you view
28:16this statement
28:17of Prithvirat
28:18Chawad?
28:18Prithvirat Chawad?
28:20I can't
28:20say that
28:23air operations
28:24are best
28:25left to the
28:26professionals.
28:27This discussion
28:28coming up
28:28seven months
28:29after
28:30Op-Sendur
28:30is itself
28:31surprising,
28:32absolutely
28:33surprising.
28:34If we were
28:34discussing next
28:35week after
28:35Op-Sendur,
28:36this discussion,
28:37it was
28:37understood.
28:38To make up
28:38an issue
28:39wherein you
28:40just cover
28:41a specific,
28:42like complete
28:43narrative after
28:44Op-Sendur is
28:45India lost
28:46these many
28:46aeroplanes.
28:47Did Chinese
28:48ever say
28:49how many
28:49soldiers did
28:50they lose
28:50in Galwan?
28:51Did Americans
28:52now tell
28:52how many
28:53drones and
28:53aircrafts
28:54did they lose
28:54in Yemen
28:55or Iraq
28:56strike when
28:56they came
28:57and shot?
28:57They lost.
28:58Has Rai
28:59ever covered
28:59how many
29:00aircrafts
29:00have they
29:00lost in
29:01Hamas
29:03conflict or
29:04conflict with
29:05Hezbollah?
29:05No.
29:06No opposition
29:07asked ever
29:08their countrymen
29:09to show
29:10proof.
29:11If you
29:11remember,
29:11Chief of
29:12Air Staff
29:12made a
29:12statement,
29:13the ghost
29:14of Bala
29:14Court has
29:15been buried.
29:16This is
29:17a statement
29:17which came
29:18headline and
29:18you had
29:19covered the
29:19program.
29:20The ghost
29:21of Bala
29:21Court is
29:22that any
29:22conflict which
29:23the Indian
29:24armed forces
29:24take,
29:25you know,
29:26any conflict
29:27after Bala
29:31Court,
29:32the proof
29:33has...
29:33Surgical
29:34strike,
29:34Bala
29:34Court and
29:35this.
29:35Yes.
29:36So this
29:36time the
29:37armed forces
29:38went in
29:38with proof,
29:40every strike,
29:41every mission,
29:43every damage,
29:44has been put
29:45in satellite
29:46imagery to
29:47complete world
29:49from day
29:49one.
29:50And you
29:51see, I'll
29:51give you an
29:52example of
29:52Raheem Yad
29:53Khan.
29:53Raheem Yad
29:54Khan was
29:54struck on
29:5510th and
29:56that airfield
29:57has not
29:58come up
29:59till October
30:00for six months
30:02to fill up
30:02a 90 feet
30:03crater in an
30:04international
30:05airfield of
30:06Pakistan which
30:06operates military
30:07flights also
30:08indicates the
30:09extent of
30:10damage that
30:11has been
30:11done.
30:12Now it
30:13is a part
30:13of tactics
30:14that after
30:15strike we
30:15disperse.
30:16So just
30:17to say that
30:17you know we
30:18got scared
30:19and we
30:19could not
30:19fly, in
30:20my opinion
30:21is not a
30:21correct
30:22statement.
30:24Okay.
30:25Sushant
30:25Sareen,
30:26Pakistan wasn't
30:27just surprised.
30:28Pakistan was
30:29shocked it
30:30could be hit
30:31in its Punjab
30:32province because
30:33that was
30:33Pakistan's
30:34red line.
30:35Not only was
30:36Pakistan's red
30:37line crossed
30:37hitting them in
30:38Muridka and
30:39Bahawalpur,
30:39multiple air
30:41bases from
30:42Noor Khan to
30:43Sargodha to
30:44Raheem Yahr Khan
30:45to Jacob
30:46Abad to
30:46Bulari Sindh as
30:47you pointed
30:48out, they
30:49were targeted.
30:50Does that
30:50indicate India's
30:51defeat?
30:53So yeah,
30:54Gaurav, that's
30:54exactly the
30:55point I wanted
30:56to make.
30:57Look, the
30:57word that
30:59somebody who's,
31:01I don't know
31:01why he said
31:03that but he's
31:03a former
31:04chief minister
31:04for example.
31:05For somebody
31:06as senior as
31:07that to say
31:08that India was
31:09defeated, now
31:10the word
31:11defeated has
31:11a certain
31:12connotation.
31:13If India was
31:14defeated and
31:15our air force
31:15was totally
31:16finished on
31:17the very first
31:18day in 30
31:19minutes of
31:19conflict as
31:20Prithviraj
31:21Chawan, the
31:21great military
31:23genius after
31:23Maternik seems
31:24to have
31:25discovered,
31:26please ask him
31:27what happened
31:28two days later?
31:29The airfields
31:31that you're
31:31talking about
31:32India targeting,
31:34they were
31:35targeted by
31:36Indian aircraft,
31:37these were
31:38air to surface
31:39missiles, right?
31:40These were
31:41not fired from
31:42surface to
31:42surface.
31:43So Indian
31:44Air Force was
31:45dominating the
31:45air on the
31:46third day or
31:47the fourth
31:47day?
31:48How was that
31:49happening if
31:49India had
31:50already been
31:50defeated?
31:51If India had
31:52already been
31:52defeated on the
31:53very first day,
31:54how was Indian
31:55Air Force flying
31:56on the third
31:56and the fourth
31:57day?
31:58So yes, maybe
31:59some surprise
32:00was pulled by
32:01the Pakistanis
32:01as we pulled a
32:02surprise on them
32:03and then we
32:04recalibrated,
32:06we understood
32:07what, we
32:09always knew of
32:10a collusivity
32:10between China
32:11and Pakistan.
32:12But what was
32:13the extent of
32:14that if you
32:14get to know
32:15and then you
32:16recalibrate your
32:17strategy accordingly,
32:19you fix those
32:19gaps which were
32:21there which you
32:21have now
32:21discovered and
32:23you recoup and
32:24you regroup and
32:25you go and hit
32:26the bugger where
32:27it hurts him,
32:28what is the
32:29problem?
32:29Is that the
32:30defeat according
32:31to this great
32:31Maratha warrior?
32:33You know, there
32:33were the Marathas
32:34who went up to
32:35the attack and
32:35now you have
32:36Prithviraj Chawan.
32:37So it tells you
32:38what kind of,
32:39you know, the
32:40depths to which
32:41things have fallen.
32:42I want to
32:43understand from
32:43Sanjay Jha because
32:44Sanjay Jha is a
32:44very reasonable
32:45man and Sanjay Jha
32:46has an analytical
32:48mind.
32:49Sanjay Jha,
32:50never in the
32:51history of air
32:53war between
32:54India and
32:54Pakistan have
32:56we hit so
32:56many air bases
32:58decimating their
32:59command and control
33:00system.
33:01And we've hit
33:02Pakistan in
33:0265 and 71.
33:04But the
33:04expanse of the
33:06hit, you've
33:07hit him in
33:07Sargoda, you've
33:08hit him in
33:09Jacobabad, in
33:10Raheem Yahr Khan,
33:11in Rafiki, in
33:12Mushaf, Nour
33:14Khan is his
33:14command and
33:15control center in
33:15Ravalpindi, you've
33:17hit him.
33:18It's like hitting
33:18him in his
33:19capital.
33:20And yet Prithviraj
33:21Chawan says it's
33:22India's defeat.
33:24Gaurav, I think
33:25the elephant in
33:26the room is not
33:27what Prithviraj
33:28Chawan said.
33:29The real, I
33:32would say, seminal
33:32issue is why
33:34did India agree
33:35to a ceasefire
33:36within three
33:37days?
33:37Let me explain
33:38that.
33:39We were the
33:39ones who lost
33:40innocent people
33:41in Pehlgaam, who
33:42were slaughtered
33:43in cold blood.
33:44India had a
33:45legitimate right
33:46to attack
33:46Pakistan, to
33:47send out a
33:48message and
33:49create as much
33:49damage to
33:50terror
33:51infrastructure.
33:52I don't think
33:52Prithviraj Chawan
33:53or anybody from
33:54the opposition
33:55hasn't stood up
33:55for India
33:56right from
33:57that moment
33:57and said we
33:58are with the
33:58government in
33:59whatever steps
33:59you take.
34:00The issue
34:01that comes up,
34:02and I quoted
34:02for you General
34:03VP Malik and
34:04several other
34:05political and
34:06defense analysts
34:07who said that,
34:08listen, you
34:09needed more than
34:10three days, you
34:10hadn't had
34:11advantage, you
34:12made, you
34:13made, you
34:14destroyed some
34:15core infrastructure,
34:16airfields, etc.
34:17Was that the
34:18time for India
34:19to back out?
34:20I mean, that is
34:21the point.
34:21I mean, today you
34:22have had a
34:22Red Fort
34:23bombing, right?
34:24Terror is
34:25not going to
34:25come to an
34:26end overnight.
34:29Insusceptible
34:29because if we
34:30had an
34:30opportunity,
34:31Gaurav, to
34:32actually carry
34:33on extensively
34:34damaging, more
34:35dangerous, shall
34:37we say, you
34:38know, distributed
34:39terror networks
34:40across Pakistan,
34:41they are not
34:42just based in
34:42one part.
34:43Everybody who
34:43knows defense
34:44knows that
34:45whether it's
34:45Jaishe, whether
34:46it's Lashkar-e-Tawbya,
34:47they're all over
34:48the place.
34:49They are not,
34:49you know, kind
34:50of concentrated
34:51in one area.
34:52Could we have
34:53done more?
34:53That is the
34:54question.
34:54But sir,
34:54you hit them
34:58in Mureedke,
34:59you hit them
34:59in Bahawalpur
35:00and you hit
35:0011 air bases.
35:02You destroyed
35:02multiple radar
35:03stations from
35:04Chunyan to
35:05Pasroor to
35:06Malir contornment
35:07but be that
35:08as it may,
35:08I completely
35:09take your
35:09point, why
35:10didn't India
35:10hit deeper,
35:11hit harder
35:11and continue
35:12to hit stronger?
35:13I'm with you
35:14on that but
35:15okay, you
35:15want to come
35:16in and respond.
35:17You want to
35:17come in and
35:17respond Tuhin
35:18and then
35:18Sushant Sareen.
35:19Yes, you
35:23know, Sanjay
35:25needs to
35:26understand,
35:26you know,
35:26Prithvirat Chohan
35:27may not be
35:29able to
35:29understand it
35:29but Sanjay
35:30needs to
35:30understand that
35:32the reasons for
35:33ceasefire are
35:34dictated by the
35:35objectives of the
35:35conflict.
35:36what were the
35:36objectives of
35:37this conflict
35:38over here?
35:38Retribution and
35:39when we decimated
35:4112 of the
35:42PF air bases,
35:43when we killed
35:44100 terrorists,
35:45the objectives
35:46in the short
35:47term were
35:48accomplished.
35:49When we
35:50agreed to the
35:50ceasefire,
35:51the message was
35:52very clear,
35:52you misbehave
35:53again and we
35:54will give more
35:55than a
35:55befitting reply.
35:56We did not
35:57want a
35:57prolonged
35:58conflict.
35:58We have
35:58seen the
35:59result of
35:59the conflict.
36:01Different parts
36:01of the world.
36:03This new
36:03and sing.
36:05Sorry?
36:08They have
36:09misbehave
36:09again, sir.
36:10The Red
36:10Fort blast.
36:11Yes,
36:12Red Fort
36:13blast.
36:13Pakistan
36:14state-sponsored
36:14radical
36:15Islamic terror
36:15is misbehave
36:16again.
36:16Let the
36:18trail be
36:21established.
36:22The message
36:22is very clear.
36:23Whether it
36:23was Uri,
36:24whether it
36:25was Falwama,
36:26we are not
36:27going to
36:27behave the
36:28way Congress
36:28behaved after
36:2926-11.
36:30The message
36:31to Pakistan
36:31is clear.
36:32But like I
36:32said,
36:33it's too rich
36:33of the Congress
36:34to lecture us
36:35on ceasefire.
36:35When we
36:36have made
36:36the reasons
36:37for ceasefire,
36:37when we
36:38have been
36:38on top of
36:39Pakistan
36:39across,
36:40you know,
36:40in the five
36:41days of
36:41Operation Sindur.
36:43And,
36:43you know,
36:43Congress
36:44should stop
36:44behaving like
36:45in modern
36:46warfare,
36:47misinformation
36:47is a very
36:48important
36:49component.
36:50Why should
36:50Congress
36:50party seem
36:51like,
36:52the behavior
36:52seem like,
36:53you know,
36:53the enemy
36:53has outsourced
36:54that objective
36:55to this
36:55Congress
36:55party?
36:56That is
36:56exactly how
36:57they are
36:57behaving.
36:58They are
36:58not even
36:58asking the
36:59right questions.
36:59That's a
37:00grave charge.
37:02Sanjay Jha,
37:02quickly,
37:03quickly,
37:04Sanjay Jha,
37:05you know,
37:05misinformation
37:06has been
37:06outsourced to
37:07the Congress
37:08is the
37:08BJP's
37:08allegations,
37:09sir.
37:09No,
37:10I can tell
37:10you,
37:10I can understand
37:11the political
37:12frustration of
37:13the BJP
37:13because they
37:14have always
37:14used the
37:15defense for
37:16their own
37:16political
37:17purposes.
37:18They are
37:18unethical,
37:18unprincipled,
37:19immoral.
37:20But in this
37:20case,
37:21they blew up
37:21an opportunity
37:22to actually
37:23put Pakistan
37:23in the
37:24corner that
37:25Pakistan
37:25deserved to
37:26be.
37:26And we
37:27allowed
37:27Pakistan's
37:28misinformation
37:29and disinformation
37:30campaign to
37:31actually put
37:31India in an
37:32awkward position.
37:34So,
37:34you wanted to
37:35comment on
37:36that point
37:36that Pakistan
37:37had scored
37:37a point.
37:39Look,
37:40one,
37:40I agree with
37:41Sanjay that
37:41we botched
37:42up how we
37:43handled the
37:44strategic
37:44communications.
37:45I have no
37:46compunctions in
37:47saying that
37:47it was a
37:48completely
37:49botched up
37:49operation.
37:50Whoever was
37:50in charge of
37:51it,
37:52you know,
37:52really needs
37:53to be sacked.
37:54Having said
37:54that,
37:55on,
37:56look,
37:56you know,
37:56Sanjay is
37:57again,
37:58I would agree
37:58with Sanjay,
37:59we should have
38:00gone and
38:00destroyed Pakistan.
38:01But that was
38:02not one,
38:03the objective.
38:03Secondly,
38:04you know,
38:05people have
38:05always raised
38:06questions in
38:071948,
38:07why did we
38:08stop at the
38:09LOC?
38:09Why didn't we
38:10recapture the
38:11whole of
38:11POK?
38:13This problem
38:13would not
38:14have existed,
38:15right?
38:15In 1971,
38:17why did we
38:17accept a
38:18ceasefire after
38:20liberating East
38:21Pakistan or
38:23Bangladesh?
38:24Why didn't we
38:24press on in
38:25Kashmir and
38:27defeat Pakistan
38:28comprehensively in
38:29the Western
38:30Front?
38:30Why didn't we
38:31do it?
38:32These are
38:32always questions
38:33which are raised,
38:34Gaurav.
38:34But the point
38:35is that in
38:36this particular
38:37case,
38:38once you have
38:39beaten the
38:40enemy,
38:41would Sanjay
38:42prefer that
38:42we did what
38:43the Israelis
38:44have done in
38:44Gaza?
38:45Continue the
38:46operation,
38:46continue the
38:47operation,
38:48continue the
38:48operation for
38:49two years?
38:49I would not
38:50have had a
38:51problem had
38:51we done it
38:52with Pakistan.
38:53But I am
38:54sure Sanjay
38:54Jah who
38:55probably has
38:56a lot of
38:57problems with
38:57the Israelis
38:58because he
38:59believes that
39:00he doesn't
39:01agree with
39:02the Israelis
39:02in anything,
39:03including,
39:05I don't know
39:05whether he
39:06even…
39:06I want to
39:07bring in
39:08back.
39:08Would he
39:09want that
39:09to do?
39:09General Meston
39:09on the
39:10second aspect
39:11that Prithvirat
39:13Chaman also
39:14raised.
39:14He said,
39:15do we need
39:15a standing
39:16army of
39:1615 lakhs
39:18when army
39:19didn't move
39:19a kilometer?
39:21And General
39:21Meston,
39:22your take on
39:23this,
39:23because from
39:23what I was
39:24told by my
39:25sources and
39:25on authority,
39:26that it was
39:27the army that
39:27destroyed seven
39:28of nine targets
39:29on day one.
39:31It was the
39:31army that
39:32destroyed some
39:33of the radars
39:33and the seven
39:35of nine terror
39:35targets and
39:36especially those
39:37in Pakistan
39:37occupied
39:38Jambu in
39:38Kashmir,
39:39sir.
39:39General
39:39Meston.
39:40Yeah,
39:40absolutely.
39:41Gaurab,
39:41there is no
39:42doubt the
39:42seven targets
39:43in POK and
39:44also Punjab
39:45were hit by
39:45the Indian
39:46army.
39:47And of
39:47course,
39:47the balance
39:48two were
39:48hit by the
39:48air force,
39:49that is
39:49Murilke and
39:50Bahwarpur.
39:51And that
39:51is what I
39:51was mentioning,
39:52they were
39:52hit by such
39:53precision-oriented.
39:54And today,
39:55if you just
39:55don't have
39:56armed forces,
39:57I think this
39:57is the most
39:58ridiculous thought
39:58ever someone
39:59can talk
40:00about.
40:01The entire
40:01JNK
40:02today requires
40:02so much
40:03forces and
40:03today we
40:04are talking
40:04about having
40:05both large
40:05number of
40:06forces,
40:07including in
40:08the Nadab
40:08sector,
40:08because today
40:09we have
40:10two collusive
40:12enemies,
40:12whether it
40:13is on the
40:13northern front
40:14or whether
40:14it is on
40:15the western
40:15front.
40:16And today
40:16when the
40:16way Bangladesh
40:17is gone,
40:17I would say
40:18the requirement
40:19of the armed
40:19forces is
40:20definitely
40:20going to go
40:21up.
40:21So it is
40:22a very futile
40:23question to be
40:24raised by
40:24anyone,
40:24especially the
40:26requirement of
40:26the armed
40:27forces for
40:27our country.
40:28I think India
40:29has been strong
40:30only because of
40:30the armed forces
40:31and the whole
40:32nation knows it.
40:32Second perk,
40:34I would just
40:34like to highlight
40:35the previous
40:36discussion.
40:37Israel-Hamas,
40:38what was the
40:38political objective
40:39of Prime Minister
40:40Netanyahu,
40:41political military
40:42objective?
40:42Destroy Hamas.
40:44Was it achieved?
40:45The answer is no,
40:46it was not achieved
40:46because since last
40:47two years plus,
40:50when the bodies
40:51were being handed
40:52over,
40:53you saw so many
40:54Hamas carders
40:55were there in
40:55huge numbers.
40:56Was that destroyed?
40:57So what I am
40:58trying to say is,
40:59in war you have
41:00to define everything
41:01with political
41:01military objective,
41:02and the intent
41:03was very,
41:04very clear that
41:05we have to teach
41:05the perpetrators
41:06of the terrorists
41:07and destroy the
41:08terrorist camp.
41:09We did not have
41:10a larger end.
41:11Okay,
41:12you know,
41:13I have run out of
41:14time on this part
41:14of the show.
41:15I must tell you,
41:16the former
41:17Maharashtra
41:17Chief Minister's
41:18statement is
41:18actually going
41:19viral across
41:20the border.
41:21They are rejoicing
41:22in their claims
41:25that such a tall
41:26leader has made
41:27a statement like
41:27this.
41:28But for those
41:29Pakistanis and
41:31for people across
41:32the country and
41:32the world watching
41:33India today,
41:34India not only
41:35destroyed nine
41:36terror bases on
41:37day one,
41:38subsequently destroyed
41:40multiple radar
41:41stations,
41:42punched holes
41:43through Pakistan's
41:44air defense,
41:45took out their
41:45radars from
41:46Malir cantonment
41:47in Karachi to
41:48Chunyan and
41:49Pasroor,
41:50and then destroyed
41:51multiple Pakistani
41:53air bases,
41:54some that are
41:55still not
41:56100% operational
41:57from their main
41:58command and
41:58control center
41:59which is
42:00Noor Khan
42:00in Rawalpindi
42:01to Jacobabad
42:03to Raheem
42:04Yarkhan
42:04to Rafiki
42:05to Mushaf
42:06to Sir Godha
42:07to Bholari
42:08in Sindh
42:09across the
42:10length and
42:11breadth of
42:12Pakistan.
42:13Is that
42:14victory or
42:15defeat?
42:15I'll let you
42:16decide that
42:17for yourself.
42:18But the
42:19threat remains
42:20including
42:22of the fifth
42:23column.
42:24We will
42:25track that
42:25story very
42:25closely.
42:26That is
42:26all I
42:27have for
42:27you on
42:27this
42:27special
42:27broadcast.
42:28The
42:29Indian
42:29Navy is
42:30in midst
42:30of sharply
42:31boosting
42:32its air
42:33power.
42:33From
42:33INS Hansa
42:34in Goa,
42:35India today
42:36brings you
42:36an exclusive
42:37report at
42:38the Navy's
42:38newest combat
42:40asset.
42:41The Navy
42:41is all set
42:42to commission
42:42the second
42:43squadron of
42:44its MH-60R
42:46Romeo helicopters
42:48strengthening
42:48not just
42:49surveillance but
42:51anti-submarine
42:52warfare and
42:53strike capabilities.
42:54Now, the
42:55Romeos are
42:55equipped with
42:56advanced sensors,
42:57hellfire missiles
42:58and torpedoes.
43:00These helicopters
43:00will significantly
43:02enhance India's
43:04maritime dominance
43:05across the
43:06Indian Ocean
43:07region.
43:08Manjeet Singh
43:09Nagy from
43:10INS Hansa
43:11with this
43:12report.
43:12INS Hansa
43:15The next time the operation is being closed, the plane is being opened up in the sea.
43:32The plane is being opened up in the sea.
43:36The plane is being opened up in the sea.
43:38The plane is being opened up in the world's most of the most powerful and multi-mission helicopter.
43:44At this time, I am in Hansa Naval Waste, where this new helicopter is coming, this is another squadron.
43:52We are with this helicopter pilot, left commander Prakhar, Bhargava.
43:56I would like to know what this helicopter is going to be able to build this helicopter.
44:05MA-60R helicopter is the most advanced helicopter present in the Indian Navy.
44:09It is an all-weather aircraft which is capable of operating both by day and night from ashore and afloat.
44:14Its exceptional stability, long endurance and state-of-the-art weapons and sensors fitted in the aircraft
44:21makes it a potent platform for achieving any operational objective,
44:24whether it is anti-submarine warfare, surface surveillance or search and rescue.
44:28The diversity and the operational capabilities and the technology which is used in this aircraft
44:34provide Indian Navy the capability to achieve operational objectives in toughest conditions.
44:39The MA-60R helicopter is fitted with advanced avionics, sensors and weapon systems.
44:44So, in order to maintain these advanced systems, we require high maintenance standards and technical oversight.
44:51So, as a technical team, we ensure that each and every system fitted on the aircraft is maintained at its high standard
44:59and it is available for all operational requirements when demanded by the Navy.
45:04The multi-role helicopters, which are called flying frigates in the Navy.
45:11The multi-role helicopters, which are called flying frigates in the Navy.
45:13The multi-role helicopters, which are called anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare,
45:19surveillance missions, and the needs of the sergeant rescue.
45:25The aircraft's aircraft are equipped with the aircraft, the combat readiness to achieve other reasons.
45:35The most famous number must be on.
45:37So, I am happy to say that we have signed this 24 MA-60R,
45:40which were required for the stage of 2014 and theamientos of the aircraft.
45:45That's why the mission of the Navy.
45:47foreign
45:52in Hawaii, North and North, North and North
45:55Shanta is being developed in the world
45:59the most popular multi-mission helicopter is
46:02the new squadron is being developed in the world
46:05and the MS-6 Romeo helicopter is being created in America
46:08and here, Iainal Hansa, in Goa
46:11in this country, we are talking about
46:14We will talk about the fire missiles from this time.
46:18If we talk about the windmills, then we will talk about the windmills.
46:22We will talk about the torpedoes from the windmills.
46:34We are with this commander of this squadron.
46:37Captain Dhirendra Bist will know that
46:40I want to know that this is another squadron.
46:43And this is a multi-mission helicopter.
46:46What significance, what benefit do you see?
46:49INS-CZ-5 will function as the eyes, ears and first hunters of the fleet,
46:54providing real-time situational awareness,
46:56under-sie warfare capability and rapid response across our vast maritime spaces.
47:07The commissioning of second squadron will significantly boost the Indian Navy's
47:11anti-submarine warfare capabilities, particularly in the Indian Ocean region,
47:16where Chinese naval activity has increased.
47:19The helicopter can defeat and track enemy submarines,
47:23making them a potent force multiplier for the Indian Navy.
47:26The MS-60 Romeo helicopters will be deployed on Ines Vikramaditya,
47:31Ines Vikrant and other naval vessels.
47:35With Governor President Karpal Singh, this is Manjit Nagy,
47:38for India Today, from Ines Hansa, Goa.
47:42We will continue to track developments on the story very closely,
47:49but that is all I have for you on this India First special broadcast.
47:52Many thanks for watching.
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