00:00Sanjay Jha, you know, day one, we've in this country, and you live in the city of Mumbai,
00:08right? We've had 2611 Mumbai terror attacks, we did not hit back. We've had 1993 terror attacks
00:14in Mumbai, serial blasts in Mumbai, we did not hit back. We've had a number of attacks. This is
00:19the first time that Pakistan was hit in Punjab province, in Muridke, in Bahawalpur. Nine terror
00:27camps destroyed, taken out, 100 plus terrorists killed. Pakistanis are crying. But then they say
00:34India ki defeat hoi, our own leaders say India was defeated on day one. Sir, how does this add up?
00:40Does Prithvirat Chavan or the Congress party not see Muridke and Bahawalpur being hit for the first
00:46time ever? Gaurav, give me again adequate time, I won't take too long. The Congress party does not
00:53have to explain to any right-wing political analyst or some sanghi sympathizers about its role in India's
01:00history. Besides the freedom struggle, decisive war victories against Pakistan in 1947, 1965 and 1971.
01:09So let me refresh that very, very, you know, COVID-driven memory. Point number two, very important
01:15that, you know, Gaurav, you know it. Heads of state have their own political roles to play.
01:22When Donald Trump goes to the United Nations, and I'm quoting Donald Trump because he's Modi's
01:28counterpart. He goes to the United Nations after making over 30, 100 statements that he brokered a
01:35ceasefire that prevented a nuclear annihilation between two countries. He said that seven big,
01:41beautiful jets were brought down. Did you hear India's prime minister contradict him? In fact,
01:47the news media is flooded. But did he say Indian jets or Pakistani jets? Why is somebody presuming
01:53it's Indian jets? Did he specify which country is jets? Because chief of air staff went on record to
01:59say that Pakistani jets were destroyed. F-16s, JF-17s, AWNC aircraft. Yeah, Gaurav, one minute,
02:06one minute. Let me explain to you. I said big, beautiful jets. I didn't say which country. It could have
02:11been three, four, or whichever country. That is not the point. The point is that the Indian government,
02:15and I've read the U.S. Congress report redacted paragraph as well. The Indian government, particularly
02:21India's prime minister, has been very, very circumspect, if not altogether silent, on taking
02:28on Mr. Donald Trump. That's exactly the reason why there is a lot of obfuscation and the narrative
02:34war has been actually dominated by Pakistan. Because the Indian prime minister has been found to be weak
02:40when he's been called to take on Donald Trump, which is the reason why there has been a lot of
02:44speculative gossip. And I think the Indian defense forces deserve better. Nobody's talking about the
02:50bravery or the capability or the success of the Indian military forces. The question is India's
02:56political masters have agreed to stand up for a country. Sir, the chief of air staff went on record.
03:00Chief of air staff, air chief marshal AP Singh, giving details of the six Pakistani jets that were
03:07downed. He said so in as many words. He's the air chief, air chief marshal AP Singh. He gave details of
03:14the longest hit that destroyed a Pakistani AWNC aircraft, airborne early warning command and control
03:21aircraft 300 kilometers away, deep inside Pakistan, the longest hit by an S-400. But then we say it's
03:27India's defeat. But the very pertinent point made by Sanjay Jha, Tuhin Sinha, is India losing the
03:34narrative war. Because even the air chief spoke months later, the narrative Pakistan ran away with
03:40it from day one saying what it said even in 1965. Incidentally, we have downed six Indian jets on day
03:46one. That's the narrative. That's the template. And BJP or the government has learned nothing
03:51from the template. You know, Gaurav, the if if the Congress party had just followed the DGMO's press
03:59conference in detail on 11th May after one day after the ceasefire, if they had followed the prime
04:04minister's address to the nation the next day on 12th May and the explainer of India's foreign secretary on
04:1118 June after Prime Minister Modi had a telephone conversation with Donald Trump, they would have no
04:18doubts about the reasons for the ceasefire and how the ceasefire happened. But the problem is this
04:23Congress party does not trust the Indian establishment, the Indian government. Rahul Gandhi did not trust
04:28it during Doklam, but instead of reaching out to the defense minister, he reached out to the Chinese
04:32embassy. They don't trust, tend to trust the Indian government. And so far, as the communication goes,
04:37you know, please understand Donald Trump has said many different things to many different countries.
04:44You know, it is for the Congress party to count how many times he said what, but these three detailed
04:50explanations were sufficient. If the Congress party, the problem with this Congress party is that it is
04:55overcome, still overcome by guilt of its inaction over the last many decades. You know, it knows that
05:01it's squandered away, gave away 40,000 square kilometers of land to China. It knows that it could not react
05:07after any of the terror attacks between 2004 to 2014. It is their guilt which makes it very difficult
05:13to accept that now we have a government which takes decisive action, which more than compensates
05:19for the enemy action. This is something which the Congress party has not been able to digest.
05:22I want to bring in General Meston and General Meston has been very patiently listening to this
05:26conversation. General, welcome. General Meston, you study military history, you analyze military
05:32operations. And in your appreciation, was Indian Air Force defeated on day one as senior Congress
05:40leader and former Maharashtra Chief Minister Prithvirat Chawad claims?
05:44I am very, very clear. Luckily, I was on Aftar channel the same very night when the operation
05:50happened. And thereafter, one was covering this in so many media channels. And I am very clear,
05:56we had a total victory. The purpose of armed forces is very, very clear. In war, there are no
06:02runners-up. And the Indian Armed Forces has given a befitting reply and a befitting message and
06:08defeat to Pakistan Armed Forces. It was very, very clear. It was seen by the entire world.
06:14Narrative building is not defined by President Trump. As it is, we have heard what his chief of
06:20staff has stated, the chief of staff of Donald Trump in the White House, what has she stated about him.
06:26So, narratives are defined by the Indian Armed Forces. And the political military objectives
06:33were established or set by the government of India, the present government of India. And
06:38that was executed in the most precise manner. Now, day one, coming on to day one's operation,
06:44I think we have executed it with such finish. There was no collateral damage. There are two wars going
06:50on today. Russia, Ukraine, and of course, Israel and Hamas is not over. We have seen the collateral
06:55damage done in these two wars. Did India do any collateral damage? No. The 100-plus terrorists
07:03were killed in the first day of strike. Successful operations, total surprise achieved over the enemy.
07:09So, I would say it was total victory. And who begged for the ceasefire? It is the Pakistan DGMO who asked
07:16for ceasefire. Yes, America was... And I will come to that in just a moment. You're absolutely
07:22right. So, you're all on day four. I'm staying on day one. When it comes to the element of surprise,
07:28Air Marshal Kapoor, let's be fair, the Chinese satellite intelligence did give a heads up to
07:35Pakistan. The information that's coming out is even when our aircraft were, you know, forming up
07:41for their strikes. The Chinese satellites were warning them, forewarning and forearming the
07:46Pakistanis. And that is why, you know, reports seem to indicate that the Pakistanis also had not to
07:54deny that India hit nine targets successfully, including Mureetke and Bahawalpur. But is there
08:01merit in the fact that Prithvirat Chawan mentions IEF was completely grounded, not a single aircraft was
08:09flying. If any aircraft had taken off from Guali or Batinda or Sirsa, there was high probability
08:15of it being shot down. How would you view this statement of Prithvirat Chawan?
08:22By saying that air operations are best left to the professionals. This discussion coming up seven
08:31months after option door is itself surprising. Absolutely surprising. If we were discussing next
08:37week after option door this discussion, it was understood. To make up an issue wherein you
08:42just cover a specific, like complete narrative after option door is India lost these many aeroplanes.
08:50Did Chinese ever say how many soldiers did they lose in Galwan? Did Americans now tell how many
08:55drones and aircraft did they lose in Yemen or Iraq strike when they came and struck? They lost.
09:01I ever covered how many aircraft have they lost in Hamas conflict or conflict with Hezbollah? No. No opposition
09:08asked ever their countrymen to show proof. If you remember chief of air staff made a statement,
09:14the ghost of Balakot has been buried. This is the statement which came a headline and you had covered the
09:20program. The ghost of Balakot is that any conflict which the Indian armed forces take, you know, any conflict,
09:26Uri, after Balakot, the proof...
09:33Surgical strike, Balakot and this. Yes. So this time the armed forces went in with proof. Every strike,
09:43every mission, every damage has been put in satellite imagery to complete world from day one. And you see,
09:53I'll give you an example of Rahim Yar Khan. Rahim Yar Khan was struck on 10th and that airfield has not
10:00come up till October. For six months to fill up a 19 feet crater in an international airfield of Pakistan
10:08which operates military flights also indicates the extent of damage that has been done. Now it is a part
10:15of tactics that after strike we disperse. So just to say that, you know, we got scared and we could
10:22not fly in my opinion is not a correct statement.
10:24Okay. Sushant Sareen, Pakistan wasn't just surprised. Pakistan was shocked it could be hit in its Punjab
10:34province because that was Pakistan's red line. Not only was Pakistan's red line crossed hitting them in
10:40Mureika and Bahawalpur. Multiple air bases from Noor Khan to Sargodha to Raheem Yar Khan to Jacob
10:48Abad to Bulari Sindh as you pointed out. They were targeted. Does that indicate India's defeat?
10:55So yeah, Gaurav, that's exactly the point I wanted to make. Look, the word that somebody who's, I don't
11:03know why he said that, but he's a former chief minister, for example, for somebody as senior as
11:09that to say that India was defeated. Now the word defeated has a certain connotation. If India was
11:16defeated and our air force was totally finished in the on the very first day in 30 minutes of conflict
11:22as Prithviraj Chawan, the great military genius after maternik seems to have discovered. Please ask him what
11:29happened two days later? The airfields that you're talking about India targeting, they were targeted
11:37by Indian aircraft. These were air to surface missiles, right? These are not fired from surface
11:44to surface. So Indian Air Force was dominating the air on the third day or the fourth day. How was that
11:50happening if India had already been defeated? If India had already been defeated on the very first day, how
11:56was Indian Air Force flying on the third and the fourth day? So yes, maybe some surprise was pulled
12:03by the Pakistanis as we pulled a surprise on them. And then we recalibrated, we understood what the,
12:11we always knew of a collusivity between China and Pakistan. But what was the extent of that if you get
12:17to go and then you recalibrate your strategy accordingly, you fix those gaps which were
12:23there, which you have now discovered, and you recoup and you regroup and you go and hit the
12:28bugger where it hurts him. What is the problem? Is that the defeat according to this great Maratha
12:34warrior? You know, there were the Marathas who went up to the attack and now you have Prithviraj Chawan.
12:39So it tells you what kind of, you know, the depths to which things have fallen.
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