„Beweisen wir ihnen das Gegenteil“: Spanischer Wirtschaftsminister reagiert auf US-Kritik

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00:00Musik

00:00Spanien ist die Fastest-Growing-Economie in den Euro-Arieren.

00:12Spektet zu sehen, GDP-Growth von 2.9% dieses Jahr.

00:15Stendlich Explosive-Growth seit 2021.

00:19Wir sind mit 12 Minutes, der Spanisch-Economie-Minister Carlos Cuerpo.

00:25Minister, danke für uns.

00:28Organizing uns, you have had a strong growth performance.

00:31Before we get into that, I want to ask you about the national security strategy

00:36that was put out by the US government.

00:38They say Europe is weak.

00:40How do you respond?

00:42There is an easy response to statements or documents that come abroad.

00:48We need to somehow go from reacting to outside shocks to really get to action.

00:55Es ist eine große Herausforderung, die wir in der Lage sind,

00:58und die wir in der Lage sind.

01:00Wir müssen wir sprechen, wir müssen vorhanden,

01:02wir müssen vorhanden, wir müssen vorhanden mit unserer Roadmap.

01:05Aber wenn Sie sagen Sie,

01:07und Sie sind die Spanisch-Economie-Ministerin

01:08und auch ein wichtiger Land in der Europäischen Struktur,

01:11wenn Sie sagen Sie, Sie sind weak,

01:13Sie sind weak, Sie sind weak,

01:14Sie sind weak, Sie sind zu viel Regulation,

01:16Sie sind weg, Sie sind weg, Sie sind weg, Sie sind weg,

01:19Sie sind nicht gestorben.

01:20Sind Sie offended?

01:22Das ist sehr personal,

01:24aber die Reaktion, die in mir entsteht,

01:26ist eine Reaktion,

01:27von wirklich Proving them wrong.

01:29Okay.

01:30Ich denke, das ist das, was wir müssen,

01:31und das ist das, was wir müssen,

01:33alle diese Polizisten und starten zu gehen.

01:35Ich denke, das ist die richtige Reaktion

01:37zu all diese Statements,

01:38wir müssen zu gehen.

01:39Es gibt eine Frage,

01:40in Brussels,

01:41die sagt,

01:42das hat nichts zu tun,

01:43mit national security,

01:44es ist politischer Interferenz,

01:45und das Ziel von dieser Administration

01:46ist,

01:47die EU-Union von innen.

01:49Ist das eine kredite threat?

01:50Also,

01:51ich denke,

01:52die Europäische Union sind sehr sicher,

01:53die wichtigsten

01:54der Unions-Union in den EU-Union

01:55und wie viel die EU-Union

01:57und wie viel die EU-Union

01:58uns protect wird.

01:59Und ich denke,

02:00das ist das,

02:01was,

02:02was so ever in terms of

02:03really thinking about

02:04any other scenario,

02:05but going ahead

02:06in terms of integration,

02:07further integration

02:08within the EU.

02:09We've seen this year

02:10this issue of unanimity

02:12is becoming a real problem

02:13in the EU.

02:14Is unanimity killing

02:16the EU from within?

02:17That's a real threat?

02:18Well, again,

02:19I think we are trying

02:20to find ways

02:21on important decisions

02:22such as the funding

02:23for Ukraine

02:24to avoid the blocking

02:26of these support,

02:27and we will find it.

02:28I'm sure in the next few weeks

02:30we will find ways to...

02:31You think the first

02:32and assets will happen?

02:33I think in the end

02:34we will be able

02:35to go ahead

02:36with the insuring

02:37financing for Ukraine

02:38which is the most important

02:39element at this point

02:40because it has to do

02:41with Ukraine security

02:42but also with European security

02:43and thus European economy.

02:45But you're saying funding,

02:46you're not saying

02:47the reparations loan.

02:48So that means

02:49maybe it's not a reparations loan,

02:50it's something else.

02:51The Belgians continue to say,

02:52we don't like it.

02:53You know we're working hard

02:54to be able to go ahead

02:55with the reparations loan.

02:56From the Spanish side

02:57we're pushing ahead as well.

02:58there is space to go ahead

03:00both legally and politically.

03:01We will have to again

03:03go ahead together

03:04with our colleagues

03:05with the rest of the member states

03:07and see to what extent

03:08again we can do that

03:09in the next few weeks.

03:10Okay, and we've got to talk

03:11about Spain.

03:12There's been a real reversal

03:13between the core

03:14and the south.

03:15How sustainable,

03:16having said that,

03:17is a 3% GDP growth

03:18for this country?

03:19Well it's not just

03:20a short term story.

03:21it's now a structural change

03:23in the Spanish economy

03:24and how we are being able

03:25to lift up our potential

03:27GDP growth

03:28which is the key

03:29for sustainability

03:30of our public finances

03:31as well going ahead.

03:32So there is,

03:33it's not just being able

03:34to get out of Covid

03:35without scars,

03:36but really modernizing

03:37our economy.

03:38That's the actual

03:39success story of Spain.

03:40How long can you

03:41keep it up though?

03:42So what we're aiming at

03:43is a potential GDP growth

03:45of around 2%,

03:46which is doubling pretty much

03:47what we had pre-Covid.

03:48so that's essential.

03:49That's key for us.

03:50You know very well,

03:51however,

03:52your critics would say

03:53there is no structural story.

03:54It's European money

03:55and a boom in tourism.

03:56What do you respond to that?

03:57Well,

03:58there are many signals

03:59to actually look at

04:00where you can see

04:01this structural change.

04:02For example,

04:03you talked about tourism,

04:04but what we have now

04:05in Spain is a boom

04:06in non-tourism services,

04:07which are higher value

04:08added services.

04:09Actually,

04:10we export more,

04:11despite of being

04:12in record years

04:13in tourism,

04:14we export more

04:15in non-tourism services,

04:16which are IT,

04:17financial accounting services,

04:19than in tourism.

04:20So the jobs are going

04:21to basically high-end sectors,

04:24innovation.

04:25Spain is the third fastest growing country

04:28in terms of its start-up ecosystem

04:30for the past three years.

04:31So that's all these indicators

04:33really pointing towards

04:34a structural change.

04:35But the funding from the European Union,

04:36obviously after the pandemic,

04:37played a big role in the economy.

04:39you also can see that the funding,

04:42the Next Generation EU,

04:44which is a program built around it,

04:46will end next year in 2026.

04:48What impact is this going to have in Spain?

04:49So we have a fully-fledged

04:51structural reform agenda,

04:52labour market,

04:53business environment,

04:54start-up law

04:55that are creating the conditions

04:56also for this growth

04:57to be sustained going forward.

04:59And then on the investment side,

05:01a strong investment push,

05:0280 billion in transfers for Spain,

05:04so that we could actually really put the stress

05:07on those areas

05:08that we think are sectors of the future,

05:10including the digitization

05:11and the green, of course, energy,

05:13which are the key vectors for Spain

05:15also going forward.

05:16So you're not concerned

05:17this funding is no longer there

05:18and that's going to have

05:19a negative impact on you?

05:20Well, you know,

05:21there are two elements here.

05:22So one is we will be discussing

05:23the medium-term financial framework

05:25for the EU,

05:26and that will start actually in December

05:28in the European Council as well.

05:29And we think that there is need

05:32for Europe to be somehow

05:33forward-looking and ambitious

05:35in terms of the size of its budget.

05:38You know very well

05:39that Draghi has been putting on the table

05:41financing needs for our investments

05:43that are above 5% of GDP

05:45and our budget barely reaches 2%,

05:47and that's including all different items.

05:50So we need to somehow be consistent

05:52on both fronts.

05:53We will be fighting for an ambitious MFF.

05:56You also call for joint debt.

05:58Of course.

05:59And there are many elements

06:00associated with the element

06:01of mutualization

06:03or joint issuance of debt.

06:05One of them is to reinforce,

06:07of course, the Euro

06:08as a strong currency going forward

06:11because what we've seen is that

06:12we need a liquid market

06:14in terms of Euro-denominated debt

06:16and that will come again as well

06:17from further mutualizing debt

06:20or from further issue.

06:22And just to end this chapter

06:23before we move on,

06:24on the Spanish economy in particular,

06:26there's the numbers,

06:27which objectively are very good,

06:28but there's also the politics.

06:30At the start of the year,

06:31I remember you told me,

06:32we will have a budget.

06:33We are going to present

06:34and it's going to be successful.

06:35It's the end of the year.

06:36There's no budget.

06:37You've been rolling over constantly now.

06:39Your critics would say,

06:40this is not just wrong,

06:41but it's undemocratic.

06:43Well, you know we are now

06:44in the process of really putting forward

06:45the draft budget.

06:46But we've heard this before many times.

06:48I know.

06:49There is a specific,

06:50a clear commitment from the President

06:52to actually,

06:53beginning of next year,

06:55really present the draft budget in Congress

06:57so that we can discuss it

06:58and hopefully agree on it.

06:59You know,

07:00also likely what we have in Spain

07:02is these provisions within our law

07:04to be able to roll over the budget

07:07from one year to the other.

07:08And that actually...

07:09But a rollover is an exemption.

07:11The criticism is that

07:12this is becoming too normal

07:13and that is not very democratic.

07:14What do you respond?

07:15The constitutional obligation

07:16is to present a draft.

07:18We will present a draft.

07:19And from then on,

07:20hopefully we can agree on it

07:21because it's important

07:22for citizens to be able to see

07:24what the policy objectives are

07:26in terms of money,

07:27in terms of where we allocate,

07:28what items are prioritized

07:30throughout the budget.

07:31In fiscal terms,

07:32we're complying also

07:33with EU fiscal rules.

07:34So we are within the group

07:36of good pupils,

07:37with good students

07:38in terms of fiscal

07:39and also macro imbalances.

07:40That's just...

07:41But you know it's rare

07:42to not have a budget

07:43for so many years.

07:44We know it's an exception

07:45as you just called it.

07:46And we will try again

07:47to have it approved.

07:48We will present it

07:49and we will go ahead

07:51with our partners

07:52and associates

07:53within the parliament

07:54to be able to get it ready.

07:56But you're also different

07:57to the rest

07:58when it comes to migration.

07:59In the European Union

08:00we've seen now

08:01a much harder line.

08:02Obviously there's

08:03a conservative majority

08:04now that is pushing

08:05for repatriation.

08:06Asylum seeking

08:07has to be monitored

08:08much more closely.

08:09Family ramification,

08:10it's the same.

08:11In Spain however,

08:12we're seeing the numbers

08:13when it comes to migration

08:14growing.

08:15But you say that

08:16it's adding to the economy.

08:17Is migration for you

08:18an opportunity

08:19or a problem?

08:20Migration

08:21is a big opportunity

08:22for Spain.

08:23You don't think it's a problem?

08:24To the contrary.

08:25I mean migration

08:26has proven to be

08:27a very positive factor

08:28for these very positive figures

08:30in terms of growth

08:31for Spain.

08:32And you can look at them

08:33in absolute terms.

08:34in absolute terms

08:35so how much it has contributed

08:36to growth.

08:37How much it has contributed

08:38to growth in per capita terms

08:39as well.

08:40There's an analysis

08:41from the Bank of Spain

08:42saying that between

08:430.4 and 0.7 percentage points

08:44of per capita growth

08:46for the past three years

08:47which per capita growth

08:48in total was around

08:493 percentage points.

08:500.4 to 0.7 were due

08:51to migration

08:52were thanks to migration.

08:53But some markets

08:54because the vast majority

08:55of migrants

08:56coming to Spain

08:57are coming from Latin America

08:58so there's a cultural

08:59linguistical also

09:00to common ground.

09:02some would say

09:04there are some cultures

09:05that are more difficult

09:06to assimilate

09:07than others

09:08and that is a problem

09:09when you hear that

09:10is there an undertone

09:11of racism in it?

09:12Well there is.

09:13You think the migration

09:14policy coming out

09:15of the European Union

09:16has an undertone of racism?

09:17No, I think those

09:18sort of statements

09:19have an undertone

09:20of racism

09:21and I think we should

09:22really combat that

09:23through data

09:24and through evidence

09:25and you know

09:26what those statements

09:28or what that evidence

09:29tells to me

09:30is that the better

09:31the better

09:32the integration policies

09:33the greater

09:34the positive impact.

09:35The focus is

09:36on returns in Europe.

09:37Is the migration policy

09:38wrong now?

09:39You know from

09:40the Spanish perspective

09:41that's somehow

09:42the best way

09:43for us to be able

09:44to understand

09:45or put these discussions

09:46forward.

09:47What we know

09:48is that the bigger

09:49the effort

09:50in terms of integrating

09:51migrants

09:52through regular flows

09:53the bigger the impact

09:54in social

09:55but also in economic terms

09:56and when we...

09:57And irregular?

09:58Is there a second chance

09:59or is this just a question

10:00of returning people

10:01back to their country?

10:02No.

10:03That's what was agreed

10:04this week.

10:05You know when we think

10:06about the Spanish case

10:07you mentioned for example

10:08people from Latin America

10:0970% of the migration flows

10:10are coming to Spain

10:11from Latin America

10:12but you know

10:13when you ask people

10:14there is a disconnect

10:15between the data

10:16and the reality

10:17in terms of migration

10:18and that leads

10:19immediately towards

10:20a more negative bias

10:21in terms of accepting

10:22positive migration policies

10:24or integration policies

10:25and let me just give you

10:26the data.

10:27So this survey

10:28which was run

10:29last May

10:30by a think tank

10:31in the Basque country

10:32was asking

10:33Spanish people

10:34what they thought

10:35was the share

10:36of migrants in Spain.

10:37So the answer

10:38was twice

10:39the actual share

10:40of migrants

10:41and they were asking

10:42what you think

10:43the unemployment rate

10:44within the migrant force

10:45is

10:46and the answer again

10:47was twice

10:48the actual unemployment rate.

10:49And then the third question

10:50which was very interesting

10:51was what do you think

10:52is the share of migrants

10:53that is using

10:54transfers

10:55or subsidies

10:56or benefits

10:57from the state

10:58and the answer

10:59was five times

11:00the actual rate.

11:01So again

11:02there is a clear disconnect

11:03between the reality

11:04and...

11:05Why is that happening?

11:06Well I think...

11:07Which to blame?

11:08One of the elements

11:09that is happening

11:10is of course

11:11these false narratives

11:12and these fake news

11:14in terms of the impact

11:15of migration

11:16that are leading

11:17towards a negative bias

11:18and that's not grounded

11:19in data

11:20There are no negative

11:21implications to migration

11:22for you?

11:23You just have to look

11:24at the figures

11:25and in our case

11:26when you look at

11:27the impact of migration

11:28of course there are challenges

11:29going forward

11:30and the integration challenge

11:31is a key one

11:32but you face that challenge

11:33by really betting

11:34on integration

11:35and development policies

11:37in origin countries

11:38to allow for those people

11:40to have opportunities

11:41job opportunities

11:42in their own countries

11:43and therefore

11:44also reduce

11:45the danger

11:46that they have to endure

11:47by coming to our countries

11:49in an irregular manner

11:50and also reduce

11:51these irregular flows.

11:52Well Minister,

11:53thank you so much

11:54for joining us in Uranians.

11:55My pleasure.

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