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00:00A wonky football game last night, where a team had it, and then not only...
00:04The pick was good. I stand behind the pick.
00:06No, I stand with you. In solidarity.
00:10Fade, fade, fade.
00:10It was a good pick, Gibbs.
00:12But the problem is, the money's not green.
00:14Fade, fade, fade.
00:14You know what I mean?
00:16The money is creamsicle orange, apparently, and you can't spend that money.
00:21No, you're not allowed to. Not around these parts.
00:24And you know what else is that color? Vomit.
00:28Oh, see, I love it.
00:29You like vomit?
00:30No, I like creamsicle orange.
00:33I do, too, except when you look at last night, and you think about what they did,
00:37and then you liken that to what vomit can look like.
00:39Maybe if you had too many orange crushes, or you had too many pumpkin lattes,
00:47that's what it looks like, and that's what they did last night.
00:50They vomited.
00:51I think their coach agrees with you.
00:54Well, he's a part of it.
00:55Well, sure. I mean, by definition.
00:58Yeah.
00:59He's a part of it.
01:00A big part of it.
01:01This really caught our ear, because we are, quite frankly, in the business of hearing from you
01:09and your thoughts on head coaches around the Bay.
01:14And we hear this all the time about Kyle Shanahan, right?
01:20He won't take accountability.
01:23And I think on a different level, we're hearing it a lot in the last year or so,
01:29and usually there's a Kaminga comment in there or whatever,
01:32but Steve Kerr, who came on our show earlier this week, and you asked him straight up
01:39if the Kaminga situation was effort-related.
01:42And he goes, absolutely.
01:44Of course it is.
01:45He's flat out not playing well.
01:48And one thing that we never really got to out of that was not so much what he was saying,
01:53but that he was saying it.
01:55So, in other words, as a fan of the Warriors or the 49ers,
01:59are you good with a head coach grabbing a microphone and criticizing players?
02:06In other words, aiming the blame at them when things don't go well.
02:13Now, it's never gotten to this level, but take a listen to what Todd Bowles,
02:17the head coach of the Buccaneers, did last night.
02:21This is a one-two punch.
02:22Are you ready?
02:23Hey, there's a lot of beeps in this.
02:26Listen to what happened last night.
02:30First, he was asked, hey, what do you tell the – this is great.
02:35What do you tell players in the locker room after a game like that?
02:38It's inexcusable.
02:39You don't make excuses.
02:41You got to f***ing care enough where the s*** hurts.
02:45You got to f***ing care enough where the s*** hurts.
02:47It's got to f***ing mean something to you.
02:49It's more than a job.
02:50It's your f***ing livelihood.
02:51How well do you know your job?
02:53How well can you do your job?
02:55Well, you can't sugarcoat that s***.
02:56It was inexcusable, and there's no f***ing answer for it.
03:00There's no excuse for it.
03:02That's what you tell them in the locker room.
03:03Look in the f***ing mirror.
03:04How many beeps – did you count them up?
03:08Eleven?
03:09Seven or five.
03:09It took me about half an hour to clean that up, though.
03:11Yep.
03:12Yep.
03:13Okay, so that's the locker room speech, apparently.
03:17Well, that was at the podium.
03:18Yeah.
03:18So the locker room was way worse than that.
03:20But I'm right.
03:21It was probably louder.
03:21My point is that's his rendition of what you say.
03:25It's just in-bleeping excusable.
03:29All right.
03:31There's more.
03:32Todd Bowles last night.
03:32At this point, you've seen everything in the season.
03:35You know, the coaches have done everything they can do.
03:37This is a player-driven team in the last four or five weeks.
03:40You've got to execute, and they've got to hold each other accountable.
03:43As a coach, you can sit there until you're blue in the face
03:45until they start holding each other accountable
03:47and doing the little things right.
03:48And that's not everybody.
03:50We're talking about a small select few,
03:52but the small select few is what's getting us beat.
03:55And until that happens, it's not going to get right.
03:58So we've got to get up and go to work tomorrow.
03:59No matter how bad today looks, you've got to put it behind you
04:02and we've got to win the last three games.
04:04We know that.
04:05I think I'm on an island here.
04:08Because as a group, we've talked about this.
04:11Grandy, Lucas, you, and I.
04:13And you guys don't like this from Todd Bowles.
04:18It's poor leadership.
04:20He flat out pointed the finger at the players and said,
04:24that's your fault.
04:25Right.
04:25It's not your fault, Todd, in any way.
04:29Like, did you prepare the players at 100 out of 100 level?
04:32Did your defensive coaches and your offensive coaches,
04:35you guys were all so perfect that it came down to them not making plays?
04:40That, to me, is terrible leadership because it is a collective.
04:44It's him, it's his staff, and it's the players.
04:47Yeah, it's all of them, all collectively.
04:49And so you come to the podium and you talk about that.
04:52Well, let's talk about the fact that you've lost five of six.
04:55Is that also the players?
04:56Or is that partly you as well?
04:59You're in this spot because you all have been collectively top to bottom,
05:04bottom to top.
05:05You've all been bad.
05:06And to come out in that moment with a two-touchdown lead
05:09and talk about the players and not say anything about yourself,
05:13that, to me, was weak sauce.
05:14Yeah, and I don't see it that way at all based on the fact that, I mean,
05:19I'm no Bucs expert by any stretch of the imagination.
05:23I watch all of the games every weekend, but I don't, right,
05:27I'm not, like, all tapped in on what's going on in the Buccaneers locker room.
05:31I just don't know how you can flatly say that that's like a definition.
05:36As in, you can never do that, Todd.
05:38This is definitely partially on you.
05:41I don't know that.
05:42I don't know that at all.
05:43In other words, if he's doing that every week, I'd agree with you.
05:47I've never heard him do this before.
05:50And so, to me, it could be that that is coaching.
05:55That is what he feels like this group needs to hear right now,
06:01some really tough love.
06:04We don't know.
06:05I mean, he said there's a select few that are causing problems
06:09and not holding one another accountable.
06:11And as you and I have always said, like,
06:13how is that, for instance, different than when Steve Kerr goes,
06:16he cannot be that guy?
06:17Because he's talking about one guy.
06:19Okay.
06:19And who are you talking about, Todd?
06:21Like, it's a select few.
06:22Which ones?
06:24Which ones are you talking about?
06:25Is it your quarterback who threw a ghastly interception?
06:29Is it your defense that couldn't get off the field on third down?
06:32And you want him to answer that?
06:33That sounds like that would be even worse.
06:35No, you're defending Steve Kerr for pointing out he cannot be that guy.
06:38I'm not defending anybody.
06:40No, but you're saying that Steve Kerr did that toward one guy.
06:43Yes.
06:43And it was pods.
06:44And it was directed.
06:45Yes.
06:45Yes.
06:45And I get that.
06:46That's one guy, and it's not your star.
06:48And it's not in a 17-game year.
06:50It's 82 games where you can be a little bit more footloose and fancy free with that sort
06:55of thing.
06:56This is the biggest game of the year.
06:58You blew a two-touchdown lead, and you're blaming a select few?
07:02Well, who are you blaming?
07:03Put your name on it, Todd.
07:04What?
07:04No.
07:05Because it's you, Todd.
07:06You're the problem.
07:07How so?
07:08They've never been good under Todd Bowles.
07:10And yes, they won the division at 8-9.
07:13Woo-hoo!
07:14Attaboy, Todd.
07:15You won the NFC South at 8-9.
07:17Here are your plots.
07:18They also won it with a winning record.
07:20He also was awful in New York.
07:22They won a playoff game two years ago.
07:24He is not a very well-established head coach in the NFL.
07:28He's had two chances now.
07:29He has a losing record overall.
07:31Baker Mayfield has never played better.
07:33Baker has actually played better.
07:35And he played better in Cleveland.
07:36That's not true.
07:37As Randy pointed out with Stefanski.
07:39That's a record.
07:40Statistically, there is absolutely no debating that.
07:42And Todd Bowles is a defensive head coach.
07:45So you can give...
07:46Yeah, so Todd Bowles, you know what?
07:48You should be mad at yourself because it was your defense was the big problem last night
07:52on why you lost that game with a two-touchdown lead.
07:54I'm super fascinated by this as a general concept.
07:58Why are you always blaming the coach?
08:02I'm not blaming the coach.
08:03Not just you.
08:04I'm blaming the behavior of the coach.
08:06But this is what I'm getting at.
08:08And this is what I get accused of in the other direction.
08:11So now I want to...
08:12Let's debate this.
08:14Why are so many of you always on the coach?
08:19The person who is standing on the sideline with a hat and is simply trying to create a
08:26culture, is trying to tell people, direct them, trying to put them in a position to succeed.
08:33When five Buccaneers surround a fumble that's sitting on the ground in front of them that
08:39would end the game.
08:40Five of them with no Falcons in the area.
08:43Right.
08:43And they can't pick it up.
08:46And now we're Todd Bowles-ing.
08:48No, we're Todd Bowles-ing because of what he did at the podium.
08:51But it has nothing to do with how they played or how he coached.
08:54Is that not ever appropriate?
08:56It's not appropriate in this moment when you're 7-7.
08:59Is it ever appropriate?
09:00I don't think so.
09:01And think about all the coaches who've done that.
09:03Like Mike Singletary, joke.
09:06You were a joke of a head coach.
09:07He did that, and he got fired.
09:09I mean, Vernon Davis was wrong.
09:11Whatever you think.
09:12I want winners.
09:13Yeah, Mike Singletary did what he did.
09:14Yeah.
09:14And has he coached again?
09:16No, I mean, he's not a good coach.
09:18And neither is Todd Bowles.
09:19And that was an embarrassment last night.
09:20Was Dennis Green a good coach?
09:22Dennis Green was, but he had more shingles on the wall at that point.
09:26Last night, Todd Bowles showed himself as somebody who is not equipped to do the job.
09:32I think the general question we'd love to kind of throw out there is when things are going wrong with a team,
09:38is your first thought the players or the coach?
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