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00:00:00Amen.
00:00:30All right.
00:00:59Well, until Dex gets back, I'll be holding it down here, it appears.
00:01:04Welcome to New York Got Game.
00:01:06This week, it's going to be a lot of Giannis talk.
00:01:11And Giannis hasn't formally requested a trade and was injured last night.
00:01:16We'll talk about that.
00:01:17Stefan Bondi from The Post is going to be coming on.
00:01:19We're going to talk to him about the various things regarding potentially the Knicks and Giannis,
00:01:24who is out now with the calf strain for two to four weeks and is not
00:01:29thankfully blown out his Achilles, which some people feared upon looking at that injury.
00:01:36So Giannis Antetokounmpo, we'll see what happens there.
00:01:39The Bucs have been very, very unfortunate this year.
00:01:43And this sort of took a tailspin once they lost to the Washington Wizards recently,
00:01:48a game where Giannis Antetokounmpo played.
00:01:50So it wasn't an instance where Milwaukee was heavily shorthanded.
00:01:53Giannis actually played in this game.
00:01:55The irony being that Chris Middleton, his former Milwaukee Bucs teammate,
00:01:59actually did come out and hit a big shot to help win that game for the Wizards.
00:02:03One of the few wins that they have this season.
00:02:06And right now, his future is coming into question.
00:02:10Him being Giannis Antetokounmpo.
00:02:11The Knicks did get right recently.
00:02:14Got a, I wouldn't say big, but a win, a necessary win in Charlotte on the second
00:02:19end of a back-to-back after losing to the Boston Celtics on Tuesday, the night before.
00:02:26We did a watch-along for that with Andrew Claudio of Knicks Film School.
00:02:31And yeah, they needed that bounce-back victory.
00:02:35But for the Giannis situation, it's obviously what we're going to be talking about primarily
00:02:40as Dexter gets back in here.
00:02:41Giannis has a few years left on his contract.
00:02:45This is not a situation where you need to trade for him and extend him right away.
00:02:49But Dex, I mean, just your reaction to this week in Knicks basketball being that
00:02:55you get the loss to Boston, the win against Charlotte, and then all of a sudden the Giannis thing,
00:03:01like, it's not brand new, the reports that are coming out about this, but it does feel
00:03:09more real.
00:03:10Because I went into this season being like, hey, this is probably a mid-season thing.
00:03:14I mean, not a mid-season thing, maybe an off-season thing.
00:03:17And now it feels like it may have to be a mid-season thing because of how open the East feels,
00:03:23which says something about maybe how other teams feel about the Knicks and the Cavs.
00:03:26Yeah, this week has been crazy because I think a loss like the Celtics loss for the Knicks,
00:03:34the Knicks have won five out of six games, and all everybody's going to talk about is
00:03:38the Celtics loss.
00:03:39And I get it because this is where they are in how they play, and especially as you've
00:03:46been hitting on the last couple of the week or so, it's like, yo, they haven't beat a good
00:03:50team on the road.
00:03:51And this is some of the stuff you're going to hear.
00:03:53Now, when you combine with the Giannis stuff, and we still haven't heard what exactly did
00:03:59Giannis say after his team lost to the Wizards.
00:04:03Because I want to know more about that.
00:04:06That's all I want to know.
00:04:07I'm with you.
00:04:08Yo, did he go in the locker room and was like, yo, that's it?
00:04:13That's it.
00:04:13It's over.
00:04:14He threw shit.
00:04:16He broke the locker.
00:04:17He's like, yo, I'll go back to Greece before I play another game here with the Bucs.
00:04:21That's what I want to know.
00:04:23Like, did that happen?
00:04:24If that happened, and he said, look, I'm done.
00:04:26Now, I always think the language around this stuff is important.
00:04:29He comes out and says, you know, the reporting is that he and his team are, you know, working
00:04:34with Bucs representatives to try to, you know, get something, figure out what the best path
00:04:40is moving forward.
00:04:40I think those are the exact words that was going on, what the best path is moving forward.
00:04:44That is like a softball way of saying, y'all don't want to do this anymore, without saying,
00:04:49I don't want to do this anymore.
00:04:50Right?
00:04:50And Giannis has struck me as a guy that doesn't want to come out and say this, but the instant
00:04:54he does, the instant he actually, like, we fully know he's pushed that button.
00:05:00Now it's on.
00:05:01I was with you.
00:05:02We talked about Giannis trades.
00:05:04We did a whole episode on this in the off season.
00:05:06I did not.
00:05:07I said, you know what?
00:05:10If Giannis really wants out, which may be where we are now, he'll push the button and
00:05:15they'll be out.
00:05:16But this is more likely a draft night trade.
00:05:19I always thought there's more likely draft night trade.
00:05:21A draft night trade actually benefits.
00:05:24If you want a next bucks trade, it benefits both sides more because the Knicks will have
00:05:27more assets in terms of draft capital to give up then than they would today or at the
00:05:33trade deadline.
00:05:33Now, if somehow the Knicks can pull this off at the trade deadline with their limited assets
00:05:40and they don't are able, unable to, you know, gut their team, that would be, that would be
00:05:50a major coup.
00:05:50All y'all about like let Leon Rose cook.
00:05:53That's not, that's not the, that's, that, that would be cooking.
00:05:59We'll put it like, yeah.
00:06:00Yeah.
00:06:01And the, the keys for me are this one.
00:06:06Well, one, will Giannis actually formally ask out?
00:06:09Um, like it, like in a really public way.
00:06:13I know Brian Windhorst reported that he basically has already done that, but will he actually
00:06:16come out and say it or will his representation come out and say it or whatever, like to what
00:06:20degree this gets public?
00:06:22And then the other thing will be, does this happen now?
00:06:27Now, because I did hear, uh, Zach Lowe say this, which I thought was, was a great point
00:06:32or it might've been Kirk, Kirk Grosbury, his guess where they said, look, it actually may
00:06:37be more advantageous for Milwaukee to do this now and not wait.
00:06:42Because if you're another team and you look at the NBA, especially the Eastern conferences
00:06:49wide open this year, and you're looking at, Hey, we, we could match up with the thunder.
00:06:54If we get Giannis that you would act on this now, why would you wait?
00:06:57Because it's not like the thunder are getting any worse.
00:07:00And I, I agree with that because it's like the thunder are going to, again, have lottery
00:07:06picks plural, maybe depending on what happens with some of the protections and some of the
00:07:11teams that have protections and they just have every pick imaginable, they can do a
00:07:17lot to keep retooling, retooling.
00:07:20AJ Mitchell wasn't even a thought last year.
00:07:21And this year he's been somebody who's played big minutes for them.
00:07:25Like, and if you're looking at the landscape of the East, the Knicks and the Cavs have been
00:07:33favored all year to come out of the conference.
00:07:36Detroit's introduced themselves.
00:07:38Atlanta's been on a run without Trey Young.
00:07:39Boston looks better lately, having won seven of nine after that Knicks game.
00:07:45Miami's been better than expected.
00:07:47Philly even, I think has been a little bit better than I expected.
00:07:51I thought it could have been another doom and gloom season.
00:07:53And I love VJ Edgecombe and Tyrese Maxey.
00:07:56I didn't quite expect this.
00:07:58And Orlando's getting it together.
00:07:59So like, you have a lot of teams where they probably feel like, Hey, we're not that far.
00:08:02And like I told you yesterday, which we'll talk about it for the Knicks.
00:08:07Like if, if Giannis, and this is the other key that I wanted to get to, if Giannis has
00:08:13a list when this does in fact take place, if he has a list and the Knicks are on that
00:08:18list, I don't think the Knicks could afford to sit this out.
00:08:21But at once may have thought that maybe you don't lead it.
00:08:25And then it's like, and I talked to someone today, mutual friend of ours, who she was
00:08:29like, I don't know if they need Giannis, like they're a contender now, but it's like, yeah,
00:08:33Giannis solidifies you though, makes you a contender and somebody is going to get him.
00:08:38Like if he's available, somebody is going to get him.
00:08:39And if he goes somewhere else, that's going to hurt you.
00:08:43So that's part of the calculus on that too.
00:08:46Yeah.
00:08:46It's, it's going to be interesting, but, and need is the very interesting word.
00:08:50I asked this yesterday when we did that short video on reacting to this need is interesting
00:08:54word, but we need some extra perspective here.
00:08:58So we're going to bring in my guy, the Knicks beat writer for the New York post, the one
00:09:03and only Stefan Bondi joining us here.
00:09:05Now, Steph, what's going on, man?
00:09:07What's up, man?
00:09:08I'm good.
00:09:09I just want to say before we get started, Steph, you, it should be.
00:09:12We noted, we are five weeks away from your prediction being right.
00:09:18Five weeks away, no more wins for the giants.
00:09:20And there will be only two on the season.
00:09:22You know what I'm saying?
00:09:23I'm, I'm not saying you're Stefan Tredamus, but, uh, you're close.
00:09:27That was a hard, that was hard to say, but I, I don't think it's going to stick.
00:09:35I don't think that nickname is going to stick, but I appreciate it.
00:09:37And also the giants are giants or the giants.
00:09:41You just have to like, feel that, feel it out that the giants are going to be bad and,
00:09:46and just go from there.
00:09:49All right.
00:09:50Make sure.
00:09:50Yeah.
00:09:50We got, yeah.
00:09:51Steve Popper is not going to, not going to like that energy around that, but you know,
00:09:54it is what it is.
00:09:55Uh, good to see, bro.
00:09:56Um, let, we're going to start with this.
00:09:58We were talking about the Giannis whole situation and, uh, obviously his name being brought up to
00:10:03the Knicks around the Knicks and all this stuff.
00:10:05What do you make of these rumors heating up again, uh, about Giannis, uh, possibly to the
00:10:10Knicks?
00:10:11Yeah.
00:10:11I mean, listen, for two years now, um, I've kind of adopted the stance and I think it's,
00:10:19it's true is that the Knicks can't win, um, a bidding war against them.
00:10:24If it, if it's open to the field, the Knicks are going to lose that battle in terms of,
00:10:28uh, what they have to offer, what they have to offer.
00:10:33And, um, so I think unless Giannis comes out and says, all right, I'm coming to the, you
00:10:41know, it's gotta be the Knicks and I'm going to use the leverage of this contract extension
00:10:45and you have to work with me because I'm the best player in franchise history.
00:10:50And I did that.
00:10:51I won a championship for you and you better do me a solid.
00:10:53And it's gotta be the New York Knicks.
00:10:55Then I don't think the Knicks are gonna get Giannis Antetokounmpo and it's an uphill battle
00:11:00for them.
00:11:01Um, and you know, right now they're adopting the posture.
00:11:05I'm talking about the Knicks of we like what we have.
00:11:08Um, and I think, you know, that's just, you know, the, the nature of where you're at in
00:11:15terms of, we want to keep our players happy because if Giannis Antetokounmpo ever jarred
00:11:19loose and they had the opportunity to get them, they would jump with both feet at that
00:11:24opportunity.
00:11:25Yes.
00:11:26Um, so, so listen, I think that they're not going to get them just based on logic and
00:11:31based on, you know, if the, if the Milwaukee bucks were doing the right thing for the franchise
00:11:37and for their fans and for ownership and all, uh, down the line.
00:11:41Um, but if they were doing the right by Giannis Antetokounmpo and if he legitimately said,
00:11:46listen, and I don't know if this is true.
00:11:47I'm just saying this is right.
00:11:49Shams reported, um, that he wanted the Knicks.
00:11:52That was it.
00:11:53That was the one team.
00:11:54Uh, he didn't, um, Giannis kind of denied it.
00:11:57It was weird when I asked him about it, but, um, you know, if that is true and he leverages
00:12:03his way to the Knicks, I think that's the only way he gets here.
00:12:06Well, that's, that's the thing for me too.
00:12:08I guess two part question for me, Bondi, that you kind of answered in one bit.
00:12:13Like, it sounds to me like you would, you believe the Knicks would need Giannis Antetokounmpo
00:12:17because that's a question I tossed around.
00:12:19It's like, okay, some people will say they don't need him.
00:12:22And I'm like, who's turning down Giannis?
00:12:25You know, you know what I mean?
00:12:26Like, I think that's a fair thing to bring, bring up.
00:12:28But I guess the other part that was interesting listening to your answer just now was, do
00:12:33you think Giannis can play this leverage game?
00:12:36It's one thing to say that what was reported in the summer, late in the summer that, hey,
00:12:39the Knicks were the only team on his list.
00:12:41But do you think he might play that card with knowing the power he could wield in the market
00:12:45and say, New York's the only place I want to go to?
00:12:47I don't know.
00:12:48I, you know, I, I know everybody keeps telling me the guy has stopped short of demanding a
00:12:53trade for a reason.
00:12:54Cause he doesn't want to be the bad guy.
00:12:56I've heard that too.
00:12:57So does he want to be the bad guy times two and says, I want to trade him?
00:13:01Guess what?
00:13:01You're going to have to get back, um, uh, worse value for me because I want to go to this
00:13:08specific team.
00:13:08And that would piss off the Milwaukee fan base even more, piss off the bucks even more.
00:13:13I don't know.
00:13:14Um, I don't know, you know, James Harden would have no problem.
00:13:18Evan Durant would have no problem.
00:13:20But I don't know.
00:13:22I don't know what Giannis would do to be honest.
00:13:24Yeah.
00:13:25Yeah.
00:13:25He has seemed to not be the guy that wants to go.
00:13:27Go ahead, Brian.
00:13:28My bad.
00:13:28Steph, do you have an idea of, if it got to this point, do you have an idea of what the
00:13:34Knicks would actually be willing to piece together in the event that they're, cause if
00:13:38Giannis does publicly ask out, they're going to be in the sweepstakes.
00:13:41Like they, especially if he wants to go there, but do you have an idea of what an offer or
00:13:46a maybe series of offers could look like?
00:13:49Cause there's a world where, and we talked about this yesterday, Dex, where this could
00:13:52be a three team, four team deal, especially with this new CBA, because that's often how
00:13:57things have to get done now.
00:13:59Yeah.
00:13:59I mean, listen, I think you got to start with cat automatically.
00:14:02And then I, I mean, I've kicked around ideas.
00:14:06I don't know what they're willing to give up.
00:14:07So this is all speculation, um, right.
00:14:11Cat and deuce and Mikel bridges for Giannis and Kyle Kuzma, and then you throw in whatever
00:14:20draft picks.
00:14:21And, and if you want to, and the other scenario I tossed out there was three-way trade with
00:14:25San Antonio where, listen, I know the bucks probably, if they're getting ready to Giannis,
00:14:30they want to go into rebuild mode.
00:14:31So then you're shipping off different players to San Antonio cause San Antonio is in a situation
00:14:37where they might want to say, all right, let's go for it.
00:14:39Um, when B's ready.
00:14:41Um, and then Stefan castle comes back to Milwaukee and then you give San Antonio, Mikel bridges
00:14:47and you give San Antonio, um, OG and Anobi or something like that.
00:14:52You know what I mean?
00:14:52So there's different scenarios that you could throw out there.
00:14:56I don't know specifically what the Knicks, um, would be willing to offer other than it's
00:15:02Giannis Henson to Kubo.
00:15:03It's the best player in the Eastern conference by far second best player in the NBA, in my
00:15:08opinion, after, um, Nikola Jokic ahead of Luka Doncic.
00:15:13So, um, you know, listen, if you're serious about winning a championship, I think the Knicks
00:15:18can convince themselves that, Hey, we can get out of the East right now.
00:15:21I don't think they can convince them unless they're blowing smoke up their own ass that
00:15:26they can beat the Oklahoma city thunder in the NBA finals.
00:15:29And so that's the point, right?
00:15:31Yeah.
00:15:31Giannis would put you in that class where you could legitimately beat them.
00:15:34But even beyond, but even beyond that though, like what if, because Giannis is the best player
00:15:39in the Eastern conference.
00:15:39We all would agree with that.
00:15:41You run the risk of, if you don't land him, he can stay in the East because there are other
00:15:46teams in the East who can put packages together or put a deal together, be it a Miami, be it
00:15:52a Detroit, be it maybe even an Orlando, uh, even Atlanta has been thrown out there, even
00:15:58Cleveland, even regardless of their tax situation.
00:16:00But there is a way that this can actually get done.
00:16:03Like the Knicks would run the risk of, okay, we're good now.
00:16:05We can contend now, but another one of your rivals gets Giannis Antetokounmpo.
00:16:09And then all of a sudden they're above you or right on the same tier.
00:16:13Yeah.
00:16:13I mean, this, this scenario happened at a lesser level with Donovan Mitchell.
00:16:18Remember, um, they were going hard after him and then Cleveland, um, ended up with him
00:16:24and that's a rival in the Eastern conference.
00:16:25And now you have Cleveland, the Knicks going at each other.
00:16:28I don't think the Knicks anticipated at that point that Jalen Brunson would be as good as
00:16:31he is, but yeah, I mean, um, it comes down to, yeah, I mean, but, but if you're the
00:16:39Knicks and you say, all right, well, this Detroit is going to get Giannis Antetokounmpo.
00:16:42Well, they're going to take a leap above us.
00:16:44I mean, what are you going to do?
00:16:45You can't offer more than Detroit because the Knicks just don't have the draft capital
00:16:49to compete for, uh, with an offer for Giannis Antetokounmpo.
00:16:54So if, if Milwaukee does a smart thing for the franchise, which is, all right, listen,
00:16:59we're going to lose the best player that's ever walked in this building.
00:17:02I know, you know, I know the old timer is going to kill me right now.
00:17:06You're disrespecting Kareem out here.
00:17:08Yeah.
00:17:09All right.
00:17:09All right.
00:17:10So at Luau Cinder left, you know, he won a championship there, but he left.
00:17:14So let's take the whole career.
00:17:15Giannis had the best Milwaukee Bucks career.
00:17:18Yeah.
00:17:18Um, for the franchise in history.
00:17:20So, um, you know, if they do the right thing and say, we need to start over, they're going
00:17:26to need rebuilding pieces.
00:17:27The Knicks don't have those pieces.
00:17:29They traded all of them for Mikel Bridges.
00:17:31So that's the reality.
00:17:33And if I'm Milwaukee, I don't want Kat.
00:17:36Why, why would you want Kat?
00:17:37What are you going to do with Kat?
00:17:38You know what I mean?
00:17:39Just to flip them.
00:17:39I think, I think it would more likely be Kat goes to a third team.
00:17:43You mentioned San Antonio earlier, but I think San Antonio might actually be interested in
00:17:47Giannis if they're getting in the deal.
00:17:48So that's like the other difficult thing about it.
00:17:50What team, tell me what team wants Kat?
00:17:53You would know better than both of us.
00:17:55I mean, I don't know.
00:17:56If Steph is throwing the question out, the answer is nobody.
00:18:00I don't know.
00:18:01I mean, it's not even, I don't even think Kansas the league.
00:18:03Like, like, let's look logically.
00:18:05What team wants Kat?
00:18:07Yeah.
00:18:08And I don't think.
00:18:09Honestly, I've thought about this, Steph.
00:18:12I've really thought about this in like the last 24 hours or so.
00:18:16And I really could not come up with somebody good other than teams desperate or poorly
00:18:22run, i.e. Sacramento.
00:18:24Phoenix.
00:18:25Okay?
00:18:26Maybe Phoenix.
00:18:27You want to get him back with his boy Devin Booker.
00:18:29Sacramento doesn't make sense because they're like, they're so bad that why take on.
00:18:32Why would you take on that contract?
00:18:34Right.
00:18:34And he's going to be, well, he's trying to get an extension.
00:18:37That too.
00:18:38Phoenix is another team I would talk about just because they're so desperate to get another
00:18:42star.
00:18:43I can see Phoenix.
00:18:44I can see Phoenix just because that owner's like, man, I don't want to be bad.
00:18:48Yeah.
00:18:48And they've been better than I thought this year.
00:18:50Yeah.
00:18:50And they're playing better.
00:18:51So, yeah.
00:18:53I mean, if you can get a Phoenix in the mix, I think they're, but their cap situation is
00:18:57so bad.
00:18:58Yeah, it is.
00:18:59That it's like, you can't just start moving pieces around and expect them to be the third
00:19:03team to facilitate a trade unless everything, every contract lines up perfectly.
00:19:09Right.
00:19:09And the contract that lines up with Katz is Anthony Davis.
00:19:11And then who does that make sense for?
00:19:13What's the point of doing a Giannis Towns, Anthony Davis, three-way trade for everybody
00:19:18involved?
00:19:19I mean, like, all right, so you get Memphis because they want to get rid of Ja.
00:19:24If they do.
00:19:25But if they do, you know, Trae Young, Atlanta.
00:19:30I mean, no, there's not, there's not a hand in glove fit to everyone's point up here.
00:19:36Like, and it's not even to disrespect Katz.
00:19:37You know what might be the hand in glove fit?
00:19:40Trading him back to Minnesota for Julius Randle.
00:19:45Just saying.
00:19:48That'd be awkward.
00:19:49It would be awkward, but in a way, it's almost like, oh, that's the perfect retrain.
00:19:54You know what I'm saying?
00:19:54Like, it's just, in a way, it's kind of that.
00:19:57Steph, I agree with you, and I think it's going to be disappointing for most of the fan
00:20:00base.
00:20:01I'm sure we'll talk about this more, but I guess I'll ask this.
00:20:04The longer this goes on, until we hear Giannis actually make a demand or actual trade request,
00:20:10and now he's injured two to four weeks, some people think that's a conspiracy, but I'm
00:20:14not going to go there.
00:20:16The longer this goes on, do you think this could become a distraction for this Knicks
00:20:20team?
00:20:21You know, when we're in the locker room, I mean, obviously, it's going to be part of
00:20:23your job and to ask these questions, and it's going to come up, but do you think this
00:20:27could become a distraction for this team?
00:20:29I mean, it's possible.
00:20:31Listen, I think with Cat's situation, let's just talk about Cat, because he's going to
00:20:36be the guy that's thrown out there just because his salary matches up perfectly with Giannis.
00:20:41Cat, you know, he did not come to an agreement on the extension in the offseason, and I understand
00:20:48why from a Knicks perspective.
00:20:50It doesn't make sense.
00:20:51He still has plenty of years left on his contract and a lot of money.
00:20:53But if you're Cat, I'm all NBA.
00:20:57I'm an all-star.
00:20:58Why didn't you pay me?
00:20:59And now I'm involved in trade rumors.
00:21:02That can get in a guy's head.
00:21:04So, you know, I can see it happening, but it's hard for me to predict how the players are
00:21:12going to react to something like that.
00:21:13Yeah, it really is.
00:21:15I want to move off Giannis for a little bit.
00:21:17You and I, I think it was when we were in Brooklyn last week, we were doing a video,
00:21:21and you brought up the fact about the Knicks still needing to fix the backup point guard
00:21:25problem.
00:21:26And in that video, you said, hey, you said you reported that the Knicks have been interested
00:21:30in Chris Paul for quite some time.
00:21:32Now, Chris Paul, they sent him home out there in LA.
00:21:36I want to backtrack there.
00:21:38Okay, go.
00:21:39I didn't say they were interested in him.
00:21:40I said they talked about the idea of trading for him.
00:21:44Of trading for him.
00:21:46And why do you think they were talking about it at that time?
00:21:49Because they knew that shit was, I mean, sorry, that stuff was fucked up with him in LA and
00:21:58that he was available.
00:21:59Okay.
00:22:01And you said that at the time.
00:22:03And when we did the video, I was like, huh, that's interesting.
00:22:05And I thought it was interesting.
00:22:07And now, obviously, we know more of the stuff.
00:22:09And that makes perfect sense in what you're saying about why the Knicks would have been
00:22:11interested in trading for him at that time.
00:22:14Not interested in trading for him.
00:22:15Interested in talking about trading.
00:22:17In talking about trading.
00:22:18Yes, that is a difference.
00:22:20Interested in starting talks, potentially, about even getting him.
00:22:23Okay.
00:22:26Some people are going to hear that.
00:22:27And some fans love names, right?
00:22:29You and I, I think, are very similar.
00:22:30We're like, yo, what have you done for me lately?
00:22:32And what can you do on the court right now?
00:22:34Does it make any sense, even if Chris Paul is waived, to bring him here to New York into
00:22:40this locker room?
00:22:42Steph is like, nope.
00:22:44Don't do it.
00:22:44No.
00:22:45Chris Paul is one of the greatest point guards of all time, Steph.
00:22:48But you and I know, tons of people know in NBA circles, in the workplace, he can be a
00:22:54little difficult.
00:22:55He's not everybody's cup of tea.
00:22:57Alpha dog.
00:22:59And he wants to, listen, Ty Lue, who everybody tells, I know Ty Lue a little bit, not that
00:23:07much, but everybody tells me he's the greatest guy in the world.
00:23:10He's a player's coach.
00:23:11Everybody loves him.
00:23:12That plays for him.
00:23:13Yep.
00:23:13Ty Lue wouldn't talk to the guy, right?
00:23:15That's a report.
00:23:18I wouldn't bring, he's 40 years old now.
00:23:21He's going to want to do things his way.
00:23:23He played 82 games last season, right?
00:23:25And I heard, this is the rumor, I heard he basically convinced the Spurs, we're not going
00:23:30to practice because I want to play 82 games.
00:23:33So he gets in a situation like this.
00:23:37I don't think it's the right fit.
00:23:39I just don't think that it's a situation where the Knicks need a leader like that right now.
00:23:44They have Jalen Brunson.
00:23:45He's the leader of this team.
00:23:46You don't bring a 40 year old Chris Paul into the mix.
00:23:51That's going to want to basically assert himself, you know, and be that opinionated and want
00:23:58to do things that his way.
00:24:00I just don't think it's a good fit.
00:24:02Yeah.
00:24:02So with that being said, the Knicks have a backup point guard problem.
00:24:06Brian, I've been talking about this for weeks.
00:24:08Tyler Kolek has gotten a shot.
00:24:10I would say with last five, six games, he's been getting some minutes about 50, 14, 15 minutes
00:24:14of the game, but if we're being honest, hasn't got so well, right?
00:24:19Like it's been, it's been really up and down.
00:24:22What are the Knicks do?
00:24:23How urgent is it for them to address this issue?
00:24:27Especially when, you know, it's a Jalen Brunson injury away from being a complete disaster.
00:24:33How, how urgently do they want to address the backup point guard issue?
00:24:35I think it's important because what are the minutes doing for the starters?
00:24:40They're going up, they're going up and they're going up because there's the
00:24:44bench has been bad.
00:24:46Yeah.
00:24:46First time you have a cell, he's been bad.
00:24:48Tyler Kolek has been putting up decent numbers offensively, but every time he's on the floor
00:24:52of the team gets outscored.
00:24:55So they have to sub them out.
00:24:57And now we're all, we're back in a situation where it was like, well, then the starters
00:25:01are playing the same minutes that they were playing last season under Tibbs.
00:25:05And we were killing Tibbs for that, right?
00:25:06Everybody was killing Tibbs.
00:25:07So they need a bench.
00:25:11They need players they can rely on.
00:25:12I think Mike Brown is willing to play players.
00:25:15He relies on, he can rely on, but he is not confident in the bench right now.
00:25:20And so, you know, forget about what you think about Tyler Kolek, whether he's been playing
00:25:25good or bad.
00:25:25It's clear that Mike Brown doesn't feel very confident in him right now because you need
00:25:30a guy that's going to play more than 10 minutes.
00:25:32You need to, you need a guy that's going to reduce the number of minutes for Jalen Brunson,
00:25:37because right now he's playing too many minutes.
00:25:39Mikel Bridges is playing too many minutes.
00:25:41Josh Hart is a backup to playing too many minutes.
00:25:45Theoretically, I mean, you know, we can have the minutes debate, but I think that it is
00:25:51important for everybody involved that they get an upgrade in the backup point guard position.
00:25:55This has been a problem for since they traded a manual quickly.
00:25:59Basically, they haven't had a backup point guard.
00:26:01Last season, they used campaign every now and then, and sometimes it worked.
00:26:08Most of the time it didn't.
00:26:09They brought DeLon Wright.
00:26:10That really wasn't, you know, the solve there.
00:26:13So, you know, Malcolm Brogdon then retired.
00:26:17So I think that this is an issue that's been lingering over the scene for a while, and
00:26:21they haven't solved it, and I don't think it's solved right now.
00:26:23I would agree with that.
00:26:26Are there other non-Chris Paul options that you expect the Knicks to look into between
00:26:35now and February's trade deadline, or perhaps even extending to the buyout market if you
00:26:40can't trade for somebody?
00:26:41Because it looks like this awkward situation where they, from the 2024 draft class, the,
00:26:49you know, Tyler Kolek's getting an opportunity, and then the other two guys who drafted are
00:26:52unplayable, all at positions of seemingly of need for the Knicks.
00:26:56Yeah.
00:26:57So, I mean, I'm looking at my, sorry, I was looking down because I was looking at my phone
00:27:00because I was, I basically, I wrote a story about this yesterday, and I quizzed a couple
00:27:05executives around the NBA, and this is not who the Knicks are interested in.
00:27:10This is who the executives around the NBA think will become available.
00:27:15Trey Jones, Colin Sexton, who would be very difficult to trade for just because it's
00:27:21He's making like $19 million this year, right?
00:27:23Something like that.
00:27:23Yeah.
00:27:24D'Angelo Russell?
00:27:25Nope.
00:27:26Don't touch him.
00:27:29Steph, I have to say, that was hilarious in that news, in your newsletter where you
00:27:32just were like, nope, to D'Angelo Russell.
00:27:34Nah.
00:27:34Don't go there.
00:27:35That's the opposite direction of where you want to go.
00:27:38Here's a good one.
00:27:39Jose Alvarado.
00:27:39I like this.
00:27:40That's Brian's boy.
00:27:41Yes.
00:27:41I like it.
00:27:42I like this.
00:27:42Yes, it is.
00:27:42That's Brian's boy right there.
00:27:44I like that.
00:27:44Covered him in high school a little bit.
00:27:45Is he, is he Puerto Regan?
00:27:47Yes, he is.
00:27:48There you go.
00:27:49He's actually, he's actually the best player on our national team because Julian
00:27:51Strother hasn't played yet and is injured right now.
00:27:54I'm not going to get into it, but yeah, Jose Alvarado would be, would be, I think, I think
00:28:00Jose Alvarado would be in a lot of ways the perfect Jalen Brunson backup just from a shooting
00:28:06defensive standpoint.
00:28:07And also he gets the, he's from here.
00:28:09He gets the city.
00:28:10Like he's actually the type of perfect ninth, 10th man that the garden would all appreciate
00:28:16if you can get them.
00:28:17And new Orleans is, I mean, I don't know to what degree they're going to fire sale because
00:28:23Zion Williamson has an NFL contract and Trey Murphy has a deal, but you know, he's always
00:28:29in and out of the injury report.
00:28:30But I think if the Pelicans are going to sell off guys, like, I don't know, I'd be interested
00:28:35in getting Jose Alvarado if I were the Knicks.
00:28:37And he has the best big name, that, that, that, yeah, Grand Theft Alvarado, that is
00:28:43great.
00:28:44Steph, do you think though, that, so regarding the, the 2024 class specifically, are you think
00:28:50they're willing to move off of, I guess, all of them or a couple of them to upgrade
00:28:56at some of these spots on the roster that we're talking about?
00:28:58Like, do you think they're really tied to the development of a Tyler Kolek, of a Pacom
00:29:03Dottie or of an area Hawk 40 at this point?
00:29:05I think that this team is all in on trying to win now.
00:29:08So yeah, if you can get guys that will help you win now, I think they'll, they have no
00:29:12problems getting off those guys.
00:29:13The problem is that they don't have much value.
00:29:15So you're getting off of Pacom Dottie for what, like you have to give up assets to kind
00:29:21of a second round pick.
00:29:22Yeah.
00:29:23Like to get off of his contract.
00:29:25So yeah.
00:29:26Um, yeah, I mean, I, I don't think that they're tied to the, to the, to that group right now.
00:29:30And do, and should we, and should we not expect them to, I guess, play at any point?
00:29:35Like, does Mike Brown just not see it in them?
00:29:37I guess.
00:29:38I mean, I think in a pinch, I mean, Ariel, look poor, he had to play yesterday.
00:29:42Right.
00:29:42Um, you know, Ty Hill, he showed that he, you know, when they don't have any options,
00:29:48he'll certainly put Tyler Kolek in the rotation.
00:29:51Um, the one guy that's just, she's like, hell no, is Pacom Dottie.
00:29:56Yeah.
00:29:56After starting him in preseason.
00:29:58Yeah.
00:29:58Well, Hey, we knew what was going on there.
00:30:01Yeah.
00:30:01Yeah.
00:30:01That was a little showcasing.
00:30:03That was a little trade showcase.
00:30:04Yeah.
00:30:04Hey, hey, hey.
00:30:05They weren't trying to trade anybody.
00:30:08You're just showcasing Pacom Dottie for no reason.
00:30:13Yeah.
00:30:13Yeah.
00:30:13Come on.
00:30:14You're not, you're not, you're not fooling us who watch this a little bit.
00:30:16Um, with the,
00:30:18options you mentioned, I know that you're, you like Jose Alvarado.
00:30:22You think Jose, you're with Brian on this stuff.
00:30:24Do you think he would be a good backup point guard fit for the Knicks?
00:30:26I do.
00:30:27I mean, listen, he's limited offensively.
00:30:29Right.
00:30:29He's short, but, um, the guy is a competitor and he's a veteran and he knows what he's doing.
00:30:37And I think you need that.
00:30:38And that would be a good backup point guard option.
00:30:41Yeah.
00:30:41No, I think you, I think you would be a no defense too.
00:30:44For his time.
00:30:45He's scrappy.
00:30:46I agree with Brian.
00:30:47He gets it.
00:30:47He's from here.
00:30:48Is that, um, let's all OG and an OB.
00:30:51Uh, you had, uh, broke some news earlier.
00:30:54Um, league sources saying that he will be questionable for tomorrow's game against the jazz feels like pretty big news for the Knicks.
00:31:03I don't know if we, should we expect to see him back before the NBA cup game, uh, up in Toronto on Tuesday?
00:31:07Yeah.
00:31:08I think either this game or the one against Orlando, he's going to be back.
00:31:13All right.
00:31:13This, this, this, this, this is, this is huge for the Knicks in their defense there.
00:31:16Was this expected initially?
00:31:18Or is this like earlier?
00:31:19Maybe.
00:31:19I wish I, I wish I could tell you that I knew this was coming.
00:31:22I didn't, but, um, you know, OG is a quiet guy.
00:31:26So I just, I, I didn't have any insight until it happened, you know?
00:31:32Yeah.
00:31:32I mean, it's huge for the Knicks to have them back, uh, with their defenses looked decent, uh, except for the Boston game.
00:31:38That's kind of where I wanted to go next.
00:31:40What were your takeaways from what we've seen with them this week?
00:31:42Cause you had a good win on Sunday at Toronto.
00:31:44Uh, Boston was this, that was a strange game there.
00:31:48And then Brunson probably had his worst game as a Knick that we've ever seen.
00:31:51And then they bounced back against Charlotte, um, last night.
00:31:55What, what are your takeaways from, from what you saw in Boston and Charlotte specifically, the way they bounced back, uh, from that loss in Boston?
00:32:01I mean, well, I mean, it's pretty like the, the trend is they're just really a lot better at home.
00:32:08And for whatever reason, I mean, we've seen this with different teams before where they're just a completely different team at home.
00:32:15Now I get it.
00:32:16The Hornets are certainly not a very good squad.
00:32:19Um, and they've had a pretty easy schedule overall at home, especially.
00:32:24So, you know, that factors into it, but you know, at this point they're 11 and one at home.
00:32:29Right.
00:32:30And they're three and three and six, three and seven on the road.
00:32:34So that's a big difference, man.
00:32:36And, um, you know, I, I think that play, that's a big factor in, in the way they play for whatever reason.
00:32:43And there are different reasons why that home court advantage works out.
00:32:49You get to sleep in your own bed.
00:32:50Um, your familiarity with the rims and the court, the home crowd just boosts your adrenaline.
00:32:56When you hit a shot, they're, they're behind you.
00:32:59Um, so for whatever reason, this team is a lot better at home.
00:33:03We had not seen that in previous seasons.
00:33:06Um, it was more, even more balanced between home and the home and away.
00:33:10But this season it's, it's definitely been, um, just a glaring difference home and away.
00:33:16Yeah.
00:33:16And it, it feels like it's going to be very imperative.
00:33:19I'm just go really quickly to these next two games, Utah and then Orlando.
00:33:23Um, we both will be at those games.
00:33:25How imperative is them to build on those games?
00:33:27But then, you know, when you look at it to that NBA cup game on Tuesday with a chance to go to Vegas, which I know you're dying to go to stuff.
00:33:34Um, how important is them for the take care of business at home and then try to finally beat a good team on the road too.
00:33:40So these next two games, any of Toronto, Brian's been harping on this.
00:33:44They haven't beat anybody good on the road.
00:33:45How important is this next stretch of games?
00:33:47And even Orlando when they're on Sunday, who's giving them fits.
00:33:50I forget about Utah.
00:33:51What's Utah's record?
00:33:52They sting again.
00:33:54Utah, I think has five or six wins if I'm not mistaken.
00:33:56A little bit better.
00:33:58They still stink.
00:33:58So they should win that game.
00:34:00I'm looking at that Orlando game.
00:34:02Orlando's the only team that beat them at home so far.
00:34:05So, um, that's a big game.
00:34:08Orlando's had their number.
00:34:08Utah has seven wins.
00:34:09My bad.
00:34:10I'm sorry.
00:34:10All right.
00:34:11Utah's doing all right.
00:34:12Um, but I still expect the Knicks to win that game.
00:34:14I'm not really sure that Toronto's good yet.
00:34:17I mean, you know, I get it.
00:34:19They started hot.
00:34:20Brandon Ingram is, you know, played well, but I look at that team.
00:34:24I think that they're going to come back down to earth at some point.
00:34:28I know people were really high on Philly early in the season.
00:34:30They, they came back down to earth.
00:34:32Chicago came back down to earth.
00:34:33I think that they're kind of in that category.
00:34:36I'm not really sold on Toronto yet.
00:34:38So, you know, you say, I, you know, I'm really excited about Vegas.
00:34:42I think I'm going to go to Vegas.
00:34:44All right.
00:34:46Oh, that's a conversation.
00:34:48Steph and I had off.
00:34:50Go ahead.
00:34:51I will know that Paolo Boncaro may actually play in this game because he has,
00:34:56here's a question.
00:34:57He has been upgraded to questionable.
00:35:00Coincidentally, the game that they won in New York was the game.
00:35:03Paolo Boncaro got hurt.
00:35:05And people have questions about how they'll fit.
00:35:08They being Orlando.
00:35:10When Paolo returns.
00:35:11Steph, I wanted to ask you.
00:35:13Wait, can I back up?
00:35:14Cause I talked to a scout at the Boston game.
00:35:18And I mentioned that.
00:35:19And he said, are they better with Boncaro?
00:35:23Cause I don't think so.
00:35:25Yo.
00:35:26It's going around.
00:35:28Last week we had a guest on to preview their last game against the magic or two
00:35:32weeks ago, I should say.
00:35:33And I was on their show.
00:35:35They asked me to come as guests.
00:35:36And that question was brought up too.
00:35:37Now, a lot of people around the magic are unsure about this,
00:35:41but I've also heard some things behind the scenes about him and the coach.
00:35:46Maybe not necessarily meshing that well.
00:35:49But I have that question too.
00:35:52I think it's a fair question.
00:35:53Are they, are they better without him?
00:35:56And I mean,
00:35:57he's obviously he's a talented player and he can score down low,
00:36:03but he's not a very good shooter.
00:36:05So the floor,
00:36:06the floor spacing gets kind of messed up and he wants the ball in his hand.
00:36:09So in my opinion,
00:36:11after watching them,
00:36:12you know,
00:36:13a few times,
00:36:15the ball is better off in Franz Wagner's hands.
00:36:18I'm inclined.
00:36:19I'm inclined to agree.
00:36:21Yeah.
00:36:21Go,
00:36:21go ahead,
00:36:22Brian.
00:36:22Sorry.
00:36:22We stopped your question.
00:36:24Just wanted to ask about Mitchell Robinson a little more specifically.
00:36:27I'm not starting anymore and still a situation where obviously he'll be
00:36:34monitored on a day-to-day basis in terms of his availability,
00:36:37but I guess where are the Knicks at with him?
00:36:39And I thought about him,
00:36:41even as we talked about Giannis,
00:36:43not to say that he'll specifically be in that package if the Knicks were to
00:36:46offer him,
00:36:47but is he someone that may pop up in trade talks,
00:36:52given just the weirdness around the situation this year?
00:36:56Yeah.
00:36:56I mean,
00:36:57not,
00:36:57not just that,
00:36:58but he's,
00:36:59he's the only expiring contract.
00:37:00So that too,
00:37:01the Knicks have shown that if they,
00:37:04if they understand they're not going to bring a guy back,
00:37:06they are,
00:37:08they're going to be willing to trade him.
00:37:09So,
00:37:10yeah,
00:37:11I mean,
00:37:11I expect his name to,
00:37:13to pop up in rumors and,
00:37:15you know,
00:37:15I don't think it would be smart to trade him right now because you're selling
00:37:18low.
00:37:19Cause if you're,
00:37:20if you're a team trying to take him on,
00:37:22you're going to take him on with the idea that you're going to pay him too,
00:37:25because you're not going to trade,
00:37:27you're not going to trade them and then let him become an unrestricted free
00:37:30agent right after you trade for him.
00:37:31So you're going to give him money.
00:37:33You're going to give him that extension.
00:37:35And if I'm another team,
00:37:36I'm looking at his,
00:37:38you know,
00:37:38like you said,
00:37:39availability and I'm saying,
00:37:40I'm not prepared to give him a big contract yet.
00:37:43So I think he stays with the chain team just because of that,
00:37:46because I don't think his value is very high right now,
00:37:49but you know,
00:37:50he is an expiring contract and just that alone can be valuable in the
00:37:54trade market.
00:37:55Last thing,
00:37:56last thing for me here,
00:37:56Steph,
00:37:57you know,
00:37:58we're just past the quarter mark part of the season for the Knicks.
00:38:00Can't believe it's gone by so quickly.
00:38:02If you had to give them a grade at this point,
00:38:05especially on the new head coach,
00:38:06Mike Brown,
00:38:06what would you be a quarter mark grade for the Knicks right now?
00:38:09B.
00:38:11I feel like that's fully agree.
00:38:13Yeah.
00:38:13I feel like that's fair.
00:38:14Yeah.
00:38:14I mean,
00:38:14their schedules,
00:38:16they have a good record and you know,
00:38:18they're not blowing anybody,
00:38:19you know,
00:38:19they didn't come out the gates like,
00:38:21okay,
00:38:21see,
00:38:22you know,
00:38:22blowing out everybody and,
00:38:24and with an amazing dominant record,
00:38:26but they have a good record.
00:38:28Certainly.
00:38:29I think their schedule has been very simple and easy,
00:38:33but you know,
00:38:35I think when you bring in a new coach,
00:38:36there was this expectation that there will be an adjustment period and
00:38:39they've handled that very well.
00:38:41Yeah.
00:38:41I would agree with that.
00:38:43I think one of the things I've kind of recognizing just in what we do is
00:38:46that where this team is in their expectations,
00:38:48you have a week like this week,
00:38:50they've won five out of six games.
00:38:51And all everybody's talking about is the Boston loss,
00:38:53right?
00:38:54Because of how it looked and how that played out.
00:38:56But this is,
00:38:57this is where we are.
00:38:58And the honest rumors are going to continue that.
00:39:01Everybody is Stefan Bondi.
00:39:02Check him out.
00:39:03AKA Steph.
00:39:04I'm not even gonna say stuff.
00:39:05Adonis.
00:39:05I was going to try to do it again.
00:39:06That it's the rock of sports.
00:39:09According to the day,
00:39:11the day that doesn't,
00:39:11it doesn't work.
00:39:12Steph.
00:39:13We,
00:39:13we,
00:39:14I will see.
00:39:14Are you at the game tomorrow,
00:39:15right?
00:39:15You'll be there.
00:39:16I'll be there.
00:39:17I will see.
00:39:17I will see you tomorrow night at the garden.
00:39:19We appreciate you,
00:39:20man.
00:39:20All right,
00:39:21bro.
00:39:21All right.
00:39:22Once again,
00:39:22Stefan Bondi,
00:39:23check him out.
00:39:24NY post.com doing a great job covering the Knicks for us here and being able to
00:39:29give us some time on that good conversation there with Steph.
00:39:34Brian,
00:39:34a lot of interesting stuff.
00:39:36I think Steph notes perfectly that this team will definitely listen.
00:39:44I think if they have a chance to go get any honest and Yana says he wants only them.
00:39:48He's only eyes for New York.
00:39:50The Knicks are going to get in this.
00:39:52Do you think he would do that though?
00:39:54I mean,
00:39:55when horse might say that he already did,
00:39:57I don't know if he's going to do it.
00:39:59He,
00:40:00I'm going to take what Steph's.
00:40:01He's not,
00:40:01he's not going to be Steph.
00:40:02Uh,
00:40:03he's not gonna be Steph.
00:40:04Steph.
00:40:04He's not going to do a public,
00:40:05uh,
00:40:05he's not going to be James Harden or Kevin Durant on this.
00:40:08He's not going to go to,
00:40:08he's that's not,
00:40:09I don't,
00:40:10that's not how he's going to get down.
00:40:11So if that's the case,
00:40:12if that's the case,
00:40:13then you're ultimately not going to get what you want because like,
00:40:18he'll get traded.
00:40:18I agree with you on this.
00:40:21You get what I'm saying?
00:40:21Like Damian Lillard,
00:40:22for example,
00:40:23really wanted to go to the heat.
00:40:24Chris Haynes kept saying he wanted to go to the heat,
00:40:26but Damian Lillard didn't want to make it messy and ultimately caved and accepted the trade to Milwaukee,
00:40:35you know,
00:40:35for,
00:40:35for better.
00:40:36Yeah.
00:40:36He didn't get what he wanted.
00:40:37You're a hundred.
00:40:38That's a great example.
00:40:38He had Miami and then they were like,
00:40:42maybe Brooklyn,
00:40:42whatever,
00:40:43whatever.
00:40:43And then Milwaukee ended up doing the trade and you know,
00:40:46it didn't work out ultimately because you needed more around Damian Giannis.
00:40:51But I don't think it was like Damian Giannis specifically as much as it was like everything else.
00:40:56But you have another more recent example,
00:41:00like whatever Jimmy Butler wants to get paid and the team he's on doesn't want to pay him.
00:41:06He makes sure he goes to a team that's going to pay him.
00:41:09He wanted Phoenix and he was,
00:41:14you know,
00:41:14golden state.
00:41:15There were reports that he wanted,
00:41:16didn't want it,
00:41:16whatever.
00:41:17Like he ultimately was fine with golden state and he had,
00:41:22it worked out for him.
00:41:22Like he went and he got his contract immediately.
00:41:24They reported it like,
00:41:26Oh,
00:41:26they already agreed to max extension.
00:41:27And it's like,
00:41:28huh?
00:41:29You know,
00:41:29Jimmy Butler is one of the James Harden,
00:41:30Kevin Durant types,
00:41:31types where like,
00:41:32they're not afraid to make it messy in order to get what they want.
00:41:35And honestly,
00:41:35LeBron's been like this too.
00:41:38LeBron has done this throughout his career.
00:41:39The thing,
00:41:40the thing about that is,
00:41:41and I'll even say that.
00:41:42I don't think that Jimmy Butler,
00:41:45Kevin Durant,
00:41:45maybe a little bit different in his prime than James Harden at one point,
00:41:48but I don't think they even would wield the power that like Giannis would.
00:41:53Giannis in his prime is more closer to what,
00:41:55like LeBron,
00:41:56the power that he could wield on the league in terms of changing the landscape,
00:41:59in terms of dominating what he wants.
00:42:01Or KD going to golden state.
00:42:03Yeah.
00:42:03But that's,
00:42:04that's at that.
00:42:04He was at the peak peak of his prime.
00:42:06These,
00:42:06these are very,
00:42:07very good things.
00:42:08And your,
00:42:08your example with Dane is perfect because he wanted to go to the heat.
00:42:12He wanted to go to the heat and he did not,
00:42:15he,
00:42:16but he wasn't willing to get messy.
00:42:17And so that's what happened.
00:42:19He didn't,
00:42:20same as Giannis did not want to be the bad guy.
00:42:22No.
00:42:23And here's the thing.
00:42:24Sometimes,
00:42:24sometimes you gotta be the bad guy.
00:42:26Sometimes you gotta,
00:42:27I think that's,
00:42:28I think it's a lesson in life.
00:42:29Everybody ain't gonna like you.
00:42:30You can't be loved by everybody.
00:42:31Everybody's not gonna like everything you do.
00:42:33And sometimes to get what you want,
00:42:35I'm not talking about being an asshole and,
00:42:37and,
00:42:37you know,
00:42:37just crapping on people.
00:42:38You don't want to endorse bad behavior either.
00:42:40Right.
00:42:40I'm not,
00:42:41I'm not saying that.
00:42:42And,
00:42:42and there are ramifications of it that I think sometimes doesn't get talked about,
00:42:46which is how that impacts your team or your teammates in the franchise.
00:42:49James Harden with the Rockets,
00:42:50even Jimmy Butler,
00:42:51Butler last year,
00:42:53whatever.
00:42:54But yeah,
00:42:54you know,
00:42:54you gotta be a little shameless and you could only have,
00:42:57to be clear,
00:42:58you could only afford to do this.
00:42:59If you're a Giannis in your workplace,
00:43:01right?
00:43:03Yeah.
00:43:04No,
00:43:04no,
00:43:04no,
00:43:04no,
00:43:04who you are.
00:43:06If you ain't honest,
00:43:08you might not be able to move like this.
00:43:09Like,
00:43:09this is something you have to,
00:43:10to understand,
00:43:12you know,
00:43:12you know how,
00:43:13how it goes.
00:43:13This is,
00:43:14this is something you have to understand.
00:43:15All right.
00:43:15We appreciate Steph joining us here.
00:43:18Want to get something.
00:43:19Yeah.
00:43:20So yeah,
00:43:20it happened yesterday,
00:43:21but we have a new episode in New York got game coming out and it is very
00:43:26different.
00:43:26Any of this coming out tonight is very different than anything we've done
00:43:30before.
00:43:31It is,
00:43:32it was challenging.
00:43:34It was a little bit painful.
00:43:36Um,
00:43:37it challenged Brian,
00:43:39it challenged myself.
00:43:40It challenged our production team.
00:43:43I'll edit it.
00:43:44It challenged everybody.
00:43:45It was different.
00:43:46We have the clip to play.
00:43:47So you can get a first look of this new episode.
00:43:50And you have got game that is coming and you're going to get to see me in some pain.
00:43:54Here you go.
00:44:05I don't know if we have sound on it.
00:44:07I know.
00:44:07I'm not hearing audio on it.
00:44:09I'm not either,
00:44:10but I think the reaction is enough.
00:44:14Here's all you need to know people.
00:44:16We'll play it again for you.
00:44:17Once you get the audio situated.
00:44:20Brian and I took some hot takes.
00:44:24We haven't done five yet.
00:44:31We haven't done five yet.
00:44:38My entire mouth is on fire.
00:44:41Do you see my eyes?
00:44:44Do you see the pain I'm in right there?
00:44:49We haven't done five yet.
00:44:51My entire mouth is on fire.
00:45:03All right.
00:45:05So that is from.
00:45:07I hope that doesn't get memed.
00:45:10No, it might.
00:45:13That is from the episode we just did where we gave our hottest next takes.
00:45:18And it is out right now.
00:45:20So you can go check that out.
00:45:21New York Post sports YouTube channel.
00:45:23You're right here anyway.
00:45:24So when you're done watching this,
00:45:26you can go watch that.
00:45:27Brian and I gave our hottest next takes,
00:45:29but there was a little twist to it.
00:45:31We had some pretzel bites and we had five different levels of hot sauces that we had to dip the pretzel bites in.
00:45:36And as we explained our takes, the other person had to rank how, what level of take it was from one to five.
00:45:45And whatever take they determined, you had to then dip your pretzel in the hot sauce and eat it.
00:45:49And that was me.
00:45:50I believe that was when I had the fourth, which was the second hottest hot sauce that I tasted that day.
00:45:57That was my face on the second one.
00:45:59Yeah.
00:45:59Because I pointed out in the video clip that we played, that's not even the fifth level.
00:46:03It's not even the fifth level.
00:46:04The fourth level was horrendous.
00:46:06I think we had some good hot takes.
00:46:08I survived.
00:46:10Shout out to Nikolai Jackson.
00:46:12Yeah.
00:46:12Our technical director, who we still kind of blame for all of this.
00:46:16Great idea.
00:46:17Also, also kind of age well overnight because the Giannis thing picked up before we even like, because we've recorded this before a lot of this went to another gear, obviously before the injury.
00:46:31Spoiler, slight spoiler for the people.
00:46:33If you watch the episode, there is a Giannis taken there or two things that are actually connected to Giannis that I think the Knicks fans will find very, very interesting in there.
00:46:44So please, it's a good discussion.
00:46:45Listen, I think our takes were rational.
00:46:49We're not, if y'all want the people to say the crazy takes with no substance behind it, you know where to go for that.
00:46:53We don't do that.
00:46:55But I think our takes were pretty rational.
00:46:59That doesn't mean some of them weren't out there.
00:47:00That doesn't mean some of them were not likely to happen.
00:47:04But we did have some rationale behind it.
00:47:06We'll put it like that.
00:47:07There was some thought behind this and where these things could go.
00:47:11So definitely do check that out.
00:47:14New York Post Sports YouTube channel, myself and Brian, very, very spicy takes, very, very spicy food that we had to consume.
00:47:23Shout out to everybody that is tuned in.
00:47:25Shout out to everybody in the chat.
00:47:26Once again, shout out to everybody in the chat.
00:47:28And to the chat, the Julius Randall thing was a joke.
00:47:31Like, y'all can calm down.
00:47:32We're not advocating for a retrade.
00:47:35Yeah.
00:47:35Like, yeah.
00:47:36Shout out to Size9 and everyone else watching right now.
00:47:41You got Size9 mixing it up.
00:47:43Started out with all caps and then went to lowercase and now back.
00:47:47Mixing it up today.
00:47:48He's not a Mitchell Robinson guy either.
00:47:50He made that clear.
00:47:50He said, get Mitch the F out of here.
00:47:53He called him selfish.
00:47:54Size9.
00:47:55I'm going to say this to you.
00:47:58Watch the Hot Takes episode.
00:48:00You might agree with one of the takes.
00:48:03You might agree with one of the takes.
00:48:05I'm telling you, watch the episode, my guy.
00:48:08You might be coming here.
00:48:09Like, I told you.
00:48:11I told you.
00:48:12Just like, again, not to spoil one of the things that I said in the episode,
00:48:18though, but he's very important to the Knicks potentially winning a title,
00:48:21which is also frightening that he is.
00:48:23Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:48:24There's actually a couple things.
00:48:26I realize now there's two things related to Mitchell Robinson there.
00:48:28Size9, I think this is an episode for you.
00:48:31All right.
00:48:32Before we're going to get to real or not, before we do that,
00:48:34I want to revisit something that we did early in the offseason.
00:48:38And we looked at fake Giannis trades or made-up Giannis trades.
00:48:43You know, we'll pull you guys behind the curtain.
00:48:47But Brian and I were actually a little bit reluctant to even do this at first
00:48:50because we were kind of like, what's the point?
00:48:52But now this talk is, like, definitely heated up.
00:48:55This is really interesting.
00:48:57So I think what we talked about with Steph is saying that, look,
00:49:03an ideal world for the Knicks, ideal world in making this trade,
00:49:07it's probably going to start – it's absolutely going to start with
00:49:09Calumni Towns, right?
00:49:12If I'm Milwaukee, would I do that?
00:49:14Would I want that?
00:49:15No.
00:49:16No.
00:49:17I'd be probably trying to take the Knicks' wings if I could.
00:49:21Just because there's more upside to flipping those guys
00:49:24because we are struggling to come up with a cat trade.
00:49:27Brian said you could flip Cat.
00:49:29I think it's not unreasonable with what he would have left on his contract.
00:49:33He also wants an extension.
00:49:34And I'll tell you another thing.
00:49:36I mean, Cat was in Minnesota.
00:49:37I'm sure he doesn't want to be in Milwaukee.
00:49:40Sorry, Milwaukee.
00:49:41No shade.
00:49:42And Milwaukee should – I mean, they're – Milwaukee is – they're screwed.
00:49:47Like, they're assed out once this deal happens.
00:49:51In terms of rebuilding.
00:49:53They need rebuilding pieces.
00:49:54Because for people who may not remember, they waived and stretched Damian Lillard.
00:49:59So they're going to owe him north of $22 million, I think it is, for the next five years, including this one.
00:50:07So four more seasons of just an excess of $20 million of dead money on their books, which limits them even more beyond the current CBA situation.
00:50:19So that's after just signing Myles Turner, who all of a sudden may become a trade piece.
00:50:24He's not trade eligible yet by virtue of signing with them this offseason, but he probably will be.
00:50:30He probably will want to get off Kyle Kuzma's contract.
00:50:32Bobby Portis has been in trade rumors for multiple years.
00:50:35They found something in Ryan Rollins.
00:50:38We'll see.
00:50:40But they're looking for rebuilding pieces.
00:50:43And that's a sort of difficult thing.
00:50:45It's like – this is what we talked about yesterday, so I won't get too much into it.
00:50:49But you have a lot of teams in the East who are ascending, whereas it feels like with the Knicks, you have a lot of guys in their primes.
00:50:55And I don't think Milwaukee is going to be too interested in that.
00:50:58Like, if this becomes a race between who has the best package, like a legitimate sweepstakes, who has the best package, the Knicks won't win that.
00:51:05No, they can't.
00:51:06They will not win that.
00:51:07The only way they win this is if Giannis says, I'm going there and else, and Milwaukee wants to do right by him more than they want to do right by the franchise.
00:51:16Yes.
00:51:17That's the – and that's a lot of ifs, and it's a perfect storm.
00:51:21But it's happened.
00:51:22So I'm not saying it can't happen, but I think it needs to be noted that people – because, you know, I think everybody likes to talk about things like zero-sum games.
00:51:30And if this doesn't happen, the Knicks don't get Milwaukee.
00:51:32It's not a – excuse me, get Giannis.
00:51:33It's not a failure.
00:51:35Right?
00:51:35Some people are going to look at it like that because I don't think they look at the trade ramifications and the salary cap and the aprons and all this other stuff.
00:51:43The Knicks are not going to be able to do – the Knicks – it's just – it had – a perfect storm has to align here.
00:51:49I'm not saying it's impossible because I actually don't think it's impossible.
00:51:53I think it's very possible that Giannis goes to them and says, this is where I want to go.
00:52:00Now, the other factor in that is they also have to want to do right by him more than they want to do right by the franchise.
00:52:06We just mentioned Damian Lillard.
00:52:07You know what Portland chose to do?
00:52:09Do right by the franchise.
00:52:11They even talked to Miami.
00:52:12Right.
00:52:13They were not even trying to entertain Miami.
00:52:15Because it's the same thing.
00:52:17Miami could not give them a good offer as what Milwaukee did.
00:52:21The same – it was the same thing.
00:52:23Although, although, they would have had Tyler Hero.
00:52:29You know, they would have had – like, what did they ultimately get?
00:52:34You know what I mean?
00:52:34Like, I mean, they –
00:52:37They got the relief and flexibility with some salaries, and I think that was better than – and the picks.
00:52:42And I think that's what you want.
00:52:43And Tumani Kamara, I guess.
00:52:44Yeah.
00:52:44But ultimately, like, comparatively, Miami's package, whatever the package would have ended up being, would have –
00:52:53It was all right.
00:52:54It was all right.
00:52:55I don't think – but it's not what they wanted.
00:52:57They wanted, I think, more flexible – I think that's what it comes down to.
00:53:00They wanted more flexibility in the contract.
00:53:03Now, whether you think Tyler Hero's the best player in the deal or not –
00:53:06And you and I talk about – you and I talk about this a lot at the time.
00:53:08You know, he's not my favorite player in the NBA.
00:53:11I'll tell you that.
00:53:12We know that for sure.
00:53:14All right, so –
00:53:15He came back, and suddenly the Heat's offense has been a lot less fun, mysteriously.
00:53:20He's getting his numbers, though.
00:53:22Happy for him.
00:53:23Oh, he's happy, too?
00:53:24Get your numbers to South Beach.
00:53:26Try to get a new contract, you know?
00:53:28Might not be there.
00:53:29All right.
00:53:30What I'd like to do before, and our producer, Tommy, is here, if you can bring up the trade machine,
00:53:36I just want to go through some stuff just, again, to reiterate what this could look like in terms of a trade with Giannis Antetokounmpo.
00:53:47So you've got Giannis Antetokounmpo and trying to get him to the Knicks.
00:53:51Now, if you do it with Karl-Anthony Towns, okay, and you bring Karl-Anthony Towns into the trade machine there, it's interesting.
00:54:00The salaries are very close.
00:54:02Now, you're also wondering why did Steph talk about bringing Kyle Kuzma over to the Knicks?
00:54:10And sometimes I just want this to be explained in trades.
00:54:13You've got to give up something to get something that sometimes you have to take back other people's crap.
00:54:20I'm not saying that Kyle Kuzma is crap, but he hasn't played like we saw him play for, let's say, like the Lakers in 2020 in quite some time.
00:54:28It's been a while.
00:54:29He did not have a good tenure with the Wizards.
00:54:31He has one good year with the Wizards.
00:54:33One good year.
00:54:34Oh, sorry.
00:54:34Second year was not good.
00:54:35You're right about that.
00:54:37The Bucs would love to get off his contract.
00:54:40Love to.
00:54:41So it's like if we're going to get Giannis out the door, we also want to get some cap relief.
00:54:46So I'm going to say this right now.
00:54:48If you're the Knicks, you're taking and you get Giannis, you're bringing back Kyle Kuzma here.
00:54:52You're taking a – I don't – would you call – is it fair to say he's a bad contract, Brian?
00:54:58You say he's a bad contract?
00:54:58It's not a great contract.
00:55:02I mean, it's funny.
00:55:03I won't call it terrible.
00:55:04It's funny because when he signed it, the way he was playing for the Wizards, it looked like a steal.
00:55:07It looked like a good deal.
00:55:08Because he had like back-to-back career years.
00:55:11He had two good years with the Wizards.
00:55:13And the problem is that since then, he hasn't been able to replicate that consistently.
00:55:20I will say this, though.
00:55:21It is a descending short-term contract.
00:55:23And the Knicks have all their money tied up in guys that they've since extended.
00:55:28Yep.
00:55:29Kyle Kuzma would have one year left.
00:55:31So kind of like where the Mets traded Brandon Nimmo for Marcus Simeon.
00:55:35And the contract for Brandon Nimmo runs for like five seasons, whereas Marcus Simeon is for three.
00:55:42This is kind of what this would be.
00:55:43It would be like you get Kuzma back and you're giving up one of your better players who's on the books for longer.
00:55:50But Kuzma is going to make $22 million this year and then $20 million next year.
00:55:54And that's it.
00:55:56I mean, Kuzma could help the Knicks if they have some size.
00:56:01Now, if you add to that with Cat going out to Milwaukee, Giannis coming into New York, Kuzma coming to New York.
00:56:09Now you got to add, okay, can you give them some young talent?
00:56:13Brian, are you willing to give up Deuce McBride?
00:56:15Like, see?
00:56:22Listen.
00:56:23Young, cheap talent.
00:56:26One of the best contracts in the NBA.
00:56:28You want to talk about good?
00:56:28This is one of the best contracts in the NBA.
00:56:30If you really want Giannis, Deuce McBride can't be a deal breaker.
00:56:34So for now, I will say yes.
00:56:36The problem is, if this becomes like a four for two deal, then I don't know if I can do it.
00:56:42Like, because for me, the perfect scenario, and obviously the perfect scenario is unlikely for the reasons we laid out.
00:56:47But the perfect scenario is, in the deal, you're able to give up Cat, Pick Swaps, and a couple of the young guys.
00:56:57But, like, not Deuce, like, for the 2024 class.
00:56:59But if you're a Milwaukee, it's like, well, we don't probably like Pekom Tadier much or Kyler Kolek much or Ariel Hawk 40 much either.
00:57:07You know what I mean?
00:57:08Unless there's somebody in Milwaukee who, you know, may have scouted him and they think that they can do something with that.
00:57:13But Deuce, I'd be hesitant.
00:57:16I agree.
00:57:17Put him in.
00:57:17Put him in for now.
00:57:18Let's put him in a trade.
00:57:19All right, so let's have Cat and Deuce going over there.
00:57:26We're going to have them both going over there, right?
00:57:28And then we'll have Giannis.
00:57:30Okay?
00:57:31And we're going to put Kyle Kuzma.
00:57:34We need 18 million, roughly.
00:57:39All right.
00:57:39We still need about it.
00:57:41This isn't going to work.
00:57:41This isn't going to work.
00:57:42This isn't going to work.
00:57:42This isn't going to work yet.
00:57:43You still need to add roughly 18, 17, 19, something like that, million dollars.
00:57:49So scroll down a little bit.
00:57:50Yeah.
00:57:51And that's where Josh Hart comes into play.
00:57:54That's the problem.
00:57:55And that is it.
00:57:57And so some people may say, well, you're going to want to give up Mikkel Bridges, who just signed an extension.
00:58:04Frank Nielakina.
00:58:05Frank Nielakina.
00:58:07He came up yesterday.
00:58:08It's two days in a row.
00:58:09Two days in a row.
00:58:10Yesterday and in the watch-along Tuesday.
00:58:13That's crazy.
00:58:15This is Josh Hart.
00:58:17Let's put Josh Hart here.
00:58:18But let's move him over there.
00:58:20And keep in mind, we won't do the picks, but just understand, obviously, you're not getting Giannis without picks.
00:58:26Like, every pick swap you have, because the Knicks don't have a lot more picks to trade because of the Mikkel Bridges deal, whatever second round picks you have left, and they do have some of those, even though those have less value.
00:58:35And I think you can trade three pick swaps, if I'm not mistaken.
00:58:38I think you have three pick swaps available to trade.
00:58:40The actual pick situation is a little murky, but you can swap.
00:58:45And look, if the Knicks are playing for a win-now window, if you're Milwaukee, you probably will want their swaps because that might be beneficial down the line.
00:58:52So this trade, this one does not work, correct?
00:58:56Are we?
00:58:57I don't think, but let's see.
00:58:59We're too far over.
00:59:02Let's see.
00:59:03I didn't think so, yeah.
00:59:04See, and if you're the Knicks, this is why, if it's not Towns alone, like, if you have to take Kuzma back, that's where it gets difficult because then it's like, all right, you have to gut your roster.
00:59:19Because there's so much money you have to get going out.
00:59:21Okay, let's, I don't think this will happen, so I want to be very clear about what I'm going to say.
00:59:26Yeah, but we have to show you why.
00:59:27We have to show you why it wasn't happening.
00:59:29The fantasy trades won't all work, basically.
00:59:30Or why, right, or why it's so hard to do.
00:59:33Let's say you're only getting Giannis.
00:59:35I don't think that's going to happen, but let's just say that's going to happen, right?
00:59:38So you take Kuzma out.
00:59:42Take Josh Hart out, okay?
00:59:46Take Deuce out.
00:59:47Start from square one.
00:59:48Take Deuce out for now.
00:59:51Now, let's say you can sell the Bucs on some cheap young talent you have with upside.
00:59:57You're on the phone, you're like, hey, man, you got to be interested in this Tyler Kolek guy.
01:00:00He's a point guard of the future, even though you might not believe that.
01:00:04You got to say this.
01:00:05Let's put Tyler Kolek up in there, okay?
01:00:08If I'm Milwaukee, I'm like, bro, what am I?
01:00:11Let's put Pekom Dottier in there.
01:00:13Okay.
01:00:14Okay.
01:00:18All right.
01:00:22Now, assuming you're adding picks to this, let's try this trade.
01:00:26It is a success.
01:00:30However.
01:00:31You're taking back Thanasis?
01:00:35Like, that's the other.
01:00:36Look, once a Nick, always a Nick.
01:00:39Once a Nick, always a Nick.
01:00:40You want to put Thanasis in there?
01:00:42Yeah, sure.
01:00:42Let's put Thanasis in there.
01:00:43I mean, look, the brother is coming.
01:00:45And they'll probably wave Alex on to the Kumpo, and then you're signing him to a two-way.
01:00:49Oh, Thanasis, no.
01:00:51No, but guess what?
01:00:52Then you add Ariel Huckport.
01:00:54Okay, so add it.
01:00:55Yes, because you got to get the money back closer.
01:00:58That's all.
01:00:59But if I'm Milwaukee, I'm not doing this.
01:01:02No way.
01:01:02So they're not going to.
01:01:04That doesn't.
01:01:05That doesn't.
01:01:05You know why?
01:01:07You know why?
01:01:07Because Thanasis is prorated, I think.
01:01:11Prorated.
01:01:12Yeah.
01:01:12No, you're right about that.
01:01:13His contract is prorated.
01:01:14Not fully guaranteed like Huckport is.
01:01:16Yeah, if I'm Milwaukee, I'm not interested in any of this.
01:01:18You're not doing that.
01:01:19And here's the thing.
01:01:20The Knicks need a third team.
01:01:21I think they're going to need a third team.
01:01:22It still might cost.
01:01:23It still is probably going to cost Towns for financial reasons.
01:01:26But I think Towns is going to Team 3.
01:01:28I think when you get the third team involved, you're more likely to really gut your bench.
01:01:33That's probably true.
01:01:34Because Team 3 will be like, all right, so we want OG.
01:01:37We want Josh Hart.
01:01:38But this is the problem, right?
01:01:42So then you could be like, all right, then if you're a Knicks fan, you're probably like,
01:01:45all right, then we don't need Giannis then.
01:01:47Like, okay, then what if Miami pulls it off?
01:01:51What if Detroit pulls it off?
01:01:53What if Orlando pulls it off?
01:01:54But sometimes that's kind of the thing.
01:01:57But that's where you are.
01:01:58Sometimes it's where you are.
01:01:59And sometimes other teams have more assets than you.
01:02:02I think it's different from like Miami missing out on Dame and Milwaukee getting him, even
01:02:06though ultimately-
01:02:08I know what you're saying.
01:02:09It's because of where the Knicks are right now and how it feels like it's so close and
01:02:12the East being so open.
01:02:13So, I mean, Miami was coming off a finals appearance at that point, and they tried to
01:02:17get Dame.
01:02:18But I think not getting Dame was the start of torpedoing Jimmy's time there, right?
01:02:24I don't disagree with that.
01:02:25I don't think this is the same in that regard.
01:02:28But I think it's also like it's Giannis.
01:02:32And if this is your window now, because you would be the only team, you'd be the only team
01:02:39as far as teams in the Eastern Conference go that we're talking about, unless you think
01:02:43Cleveland could get Giannis.
01:02:44Because you're a team that's like, oh, they could actually get Giannis now and be like
01:02:50set, like the contender, whereas these other teams get them and they're ascending.
01:02:54And it's like, oh, now they can potentially pass you or compete with you.
01:02:57And they're going to have other guys getting better.
01:03:00But everything you said there is right.
01:03:03You're not wrong.
01:03:04It all comes down to you got to pray for one thing, that Giannis wants you and only you.
01:03:09And the Bucs are so willing to do right by him.
01:03:13That's what this comes down to, right?
01:03:17Because when you don't, it's not like everybody in the NBA has the same amount of assets and
01:03:21are playing at the same level and can go trade.
01:03:23That's not how it works.
01:03:25Everybody's not playing the same game.
01:03:26Everybody tries to get, if this is a sweepstakes, to use the word you had said, Brian, everybody's
01:03:31not playing, we just started off with the same amount of Monopoly money.
01:03:34This is not what this is.
01:03:35So the Knicks, sometimes with trades, you need things to line up in your favor.
01:03:42You either need to have the assets or sometimes in this case, we don't have this.
01:03:45You need Nico Harrison.
01:03:48You understand what I'm saying?
01:03:49If Nico Harrison is here and he's just willing to give away a Giannis for nothing, the Bucs
01:03:56don't got Nico Harrison in their front office.
01:03:58That's all I'm saying.
01:04:00They don't, they don't got that.
01:04:02Now, I mean, based on the Dodgers trade, stranger things have happened.
01:04:07I think, I think, I think waving and stretching Damian Lillard is, it might be worse than trading
01:04:12Luka Dodgers to the Lakers.
01:04:14So.
01:04:15Ooh.
01:04:17That, that is a ridiculous.
01:04:19I didn't understand it.
01:04:20I don't agree with it.
01:04:20$22 million in dead money for five years.
01:04:23Like the Bucs are fucked.
01:04:25I mean, is that worse than giving up a generational talent though?
01:04:27Oh, I, they're not going to be good for at least five years.
01:04:32Like there's, there's a, there's a decent chance they're not, they're never in the playoffs
01:04:37that entire time were over $20 million of dead money on their books.
01:04:42I, maybe, I don't know where, those are the two worst moves of NBA GMing for the last
01:04:49five years.
01:04:50The only other move I think about is maybe New Orleans that, that trade they made to get
01:04:54the pick for that became Derrick Queen, I didn't understand that either, but.
01:04:58Oh, that pick is going to be so valuable.
01:04:59Queen is at least, I like.
01:05:01He's good.
01:05:01I like Queen, but it wasn't, was it worth making that move?
01:05:04I don't know about that.
01:05:06A shout out to Nostalgic Nick in the chat.
01:05:08Nostalgic Nick says Giannis is on the way.
01:05:13I, I do think we should talk more about like, not, not today because we're over and we still
01:05:17got to do real or not, but in general, like, I feel like the Nasus has to be in this deal.
01:05:24Oh man, whatever.
01:05:26I don't know.
01:05:27The only other thing I could think of is like the Nasus gets bought out and joins them any,
01:05:31anyway.
01:05:32You know what I mean?
01:05:33But I think, I think the Nasus is following him to New York and I think Alex might too.
01:05:37Alex is not an NBA player.
01:05:38He's in a two-way contract, but he's not.
01:05:40Bronny's better than Alex Antetokounmpo.
01:05:42Look, the only other way you're making this deal, just before we go, we, we, we close down
01:05:46the trade machine.
01:05:47The only way you can make this deal is like you do some combination of OG and Josh Hart and picks.
01:05:54But do you want to give up that much depth?
01:05:58No, no.
01:06:00Wing depth.
01:06:01You can't give up all your wings.
01:06:04Nah.
01:06:05You know, it's, it's that cat trade.
01:06:08You kind of hoping something, they're a little bit of a sucker for the 2024 class.
01:06:13And picks of what you got again.
01:06:16You know what I think?
01:06:17You know what I, let me, can I be clear with this?
01:06:18And, and I don't want to spoil what we talked about in the hot ones.
01:06:21So people, please check that out.
01:06:22The episode we did with the heat and the hot takes, but the best case scenario for the
01:06:29Knicks, and I know everybody wants everything now and you see the trade up here that is
01:06:33a success with Josh Hart.
01:06:35OG Hart swaps seconds for Giannis.
01:06:39Yeah.
01:06:40And look, and Milwaukee still might be like, no, we want better picks.
01:06:44That's, and that's a problem.
01:06:45So this is where I'm getting, this is where I'm going to the better situation for the
01:06:49Knicks might be Giannis actually coming to the conclusion and saying, you know what?
01:06:54I was mad about that loss to the Wizards, but I'm a ride this one out this year for at
01:06:58least to get to draft night.
01:06:59Cause if you get to draft night, everything changes.
01:07:02I get it.
01:07:03Knicks fans, you don't want to hear that.
01:07:04You want Giannis now you want to try to win now and think the window is small.
01:07:07And I'm not saying I disagree with you.
01:07:10I'm not saying I disagree with you.
01:07:12We talk about this in our latest episode, New York out game about the, how big is the
01:07:16window and could it really be smaller than maybe we think?
01:07:19So I understand where you're coming from, but the best to me, the best option them to get
01:07:25them where they can actually be in the sweepstakes is if this happens once the season is over
01:07:30and on draft night.
01:07:31Yeah.
01:07:32Now the Knicks will have another pick that could trade another pick that could swap.
01:07:36That is huge here.
01:07:38Yeah.
01:07:38Huge, huge, huge here.
01:07:40If they get to draft night and Giannis, you, you listen in a way for Nick fan, if you want
01:07:45to, if you know, other teams are going to be interested and that listen, this could happen.
01:07:50Giannis could say he doesn't only have eyes for the Knicks and he could open it up and they
01:07:54get some offers from all these other teams, but then he says, no, I really want to be
01:07:58in New York.
01:07:59And the Bucs will say, Hey, if you want to be in New York, we get this done after the
01:08:04season.
01:08:05Or Milwaukee just doesn't like any of the offers.
01:08:07And it's like, we're not trading Giannis right now, regardless, regardless of what he
01:08:11wants.
01:08:12Cause a lot of other people are going to have better.
01:08:14Everybody.
01:08:15Now here's the thing.
01:08:15Other people have better offers too after the season.
01:08:17Cause the same thing I mentioned for the Knicks is true for all other 29 teams, right?
01:08:21Like this is, this is true as well too.
01:08:22So it's, it's really interesting how this goes.
01:08:27And if, you know, even though Shams has reported, this should be resolved in the next couple of,
01:08:33you know, in the timeline of the next month, which Giannis actually, there's timeline to
01:08:38return is within the month, which is interesting.
01:08:41Um, we'll see, but it's interesting.
01:08:44All right, let's close.
01:08:45Cause we've got, we've gone over time here.
01:08:47Uh, we appreciate everybody rocking with us here.
01:08:49Once again, check out that new episode of New York got game that is up now.
01:08:53Uh, the hot take episode, which is a really fun one that you should, guys should check
01:08:57out for sure.
01:08:58Let's do real or not.
01:08:59Uh, this, this real or not is really, it's going to be a little bit about the bench because
01:09:06you heard Stefan Bondi talk about it and some struggles we've been seeing on the bench.
01:09:10Can we talk about Jordan Clarkson?
01:09:11Jordan Clarkson, not shooting the ball that great.
01:09:18Okay.
01:09:19Shooting 31% from downtown.
01:09:20Unfortunately, we're not too surprised.
01:09:23No, he's really struggled on corner threes.
01:09:28Do you know what he's shooting on corner threes according to cleaning the glass?
01:09:33You're going to tell me something like 15%.
01:09:3516%.
01:09:36Oh, look at that.
01:09:3916%.
01:09:40Price is right winner.
01:09:41On corner threes.
01:09:42The worst that he's ever shot in the corner threes in his entire career is 27%.
01:09:46That was back in his rookie season, back in 2014, 2015, that season with the Lakers.
01:09:52Now, Jordan Clarkson has been a pretty good corner three shooter.
01:09:55He has not shot below 40% of corner threes since the 21, 22 season in Utah.
01:10:00That season, he shot 34%.
01:10:0234% would seem like amazing right now.
01:10:05That'd be double, more than double what he's shooting.
01:10:08He's shooting 16% on corner threes.
01:10:10And, okay, you're wondering, well, how many corner threes does he take?
01:10:13Well, 17% of his shot attempts are corner threes.
01:10:19Are these corner three struggles real for Jordan Clarkson?
01:10:23Or is this a situation of, you know, eventually he's going to regress to me?
01:10:31I mean, it's real that it's happened before, before, or it's real that it's happened to this point, I should say.
01:10:38But no, I think it'll, I think it'll regress to me.
01:10:40I mean, it's early, it's kind of still small sample size-ish.
01:10:44But I do think this is a product of he's playing more off the ball now.
01:10:52Whereas in Utah, he was, he was averaging 16, 17 points a game last year and the year before.
01:10:59And his assist rate is lower.
01:11:01He was on the ball more.
01:11:03And Stefan Bondi, who we had on the show earlier, has repeatedly told us they don't see Jordan Clarkson as a backup point guard.
01:11:09Even though he often would have that lead ball handler role in Utah, they see him as a shooting guard here, essentially.
01:11:19Which he is, he is a shooting guard.
01:11:21But he's also been a lead guard in Utah more often than not, as evidenced by his usage rate, which is also down this year from 28 to 22.
01:11:3122% usage rate is the least, that's the lowest of his career, actually.
01:11:37Oh, wow.
01:11:37The lowest of his career, 22, he was at 22.8 and 23 his first two years with the Lakers.
01:11:44And then settled into more of the Jordan Clarkson he eventually became.
01:11:48So, yeah, I think that's something to look out for in terms of an adjustment.
01:11:54But I do think he'll bounce back.
01:11:56I don't think he'll bounce back tremendously, though.
01:11:58I just think it'll regress a little positively.
01:12:01I don't know if he's going to get to like 30% shooting corner threes or whatever.
01:12:06Damn.
01:12:07You know, you said he's been at 27% before, the usage is down.
01:12:11Like, you know, I also wouldn't, to be fair, I also wouldn't sign Jordan Clarkson with the idea like, yeah, I'm going to have you make corner threes.
01:12:19It's not what he does.
01:12:20You know?
01:12:22Like, he can.
01:12:23He's got better in it, though.
01:12:24He's got better numbers than this.
01:12:25That's true.
01:12:26But, like, look, if Jordan Clarkson, he's running up the court and Tyler Colick is handling when he's out there at times.
01:12:33You know what I mean?
01:12:34Like, I kind of think the ball should be in his hands a little bit more and have him create and just have a little bit less of a quick trigger.
01:12:42But, I mean, you signed who you signed.
01:12:43Like, this is what he does.
01:12:44I don't want to get all down on him because he is shooting, like, 69% at the rim, which for a guard is actually, like, really good.
01:12:53You know, he's not a big and he's getting to the rim and he's finishing pretty well.
01:12:57But I think it's something to keep an eye on is what I will say.
01:13:02It is, like, I do think it comes back a little bit up and he'll get into the 30s.
01:13:06I do think so.
01:13:07Listen, if he gets anywhere to where it was four years ago in Utah, where it was 34%, with the way he started, you will take that.
01:13:15I don't know if he's getting back to the 40% plus shooting from corner threes that he's had the last three years.
01:13:21I don't think they think that's happening.
01:13:23But if he can get it to, like I said, the low of where it was four years ago, I'm not bad at that.
01:13:29Okay.
01:13:29Ironically, his true shooting is the best it's been in three seasons.
01:13:33But that's a lot.
01:13:34I don't think he's been that bad, by the way.
01:13:36No, a lot of that has to do with the elite finishing at the rim.
01:13:40Yes.
01:13:41That's a lot of what it has to do, which is something where you want to say, hey, if you know the shot's not falling, at least he's still attacking.
01:13:46Yeah.
01:13:47Assist percentage is the lowest of his career, though.
01:13:48Yeah.
01:13:49Mitchell Robinson.
01:13:52Can we talk about his abysmal free throw shooting?
01:13:54Do you know what Mitchell Robinson is shooting from the line right now?
01:13:57Three for 17.
01:14:00I don't even know what the exact attempt was or something like that.
01:14:03I think it's exactly because I said it after the Celtic game.
01:14:05I think it's three for 17.
01:14:0717%.
01:14:07That is 17%.
01:14:09Like, he's shooting just a percentage point more than Jordan Clarkson shooting on corner threes.
01:14:15If you hit this in the majors, you'd be sent to the minors.
01:14:20Three for 17.
01:14:2317%.
01:14:23Yeah, you do that over and over in the majors and you shot, you batting 178 or whatever that is.
01:14:28I think that's 178.
01:14:29You're going to AAA.
01:14:30Look, real or not, look, this is what I'm going to say.
01:14:39We know this has not been good for him with the free throw shooting, but here's the fact, people.
01:14:44This is the fact.
01:14:45It's getting worse.
01:14:47It's not getting better.
01:14:49That's not encouraging me.
01:14:50Sometimes you'll see guys be poor free throw shooters, like 40, 45%.
01:14:53Eventually a year they figure it out to get up to 55, 58, maybe 60.
01:14:57It might even only be for a year or two, but they figure it out somehow.
01:15:01I think we should be concerned about this.
01:15:03I know there's only 17 free throws.
01:15:05I agree.
01:15:06But I think we should be concerned because can I play you on the floor in a playoff game?
01:15:10Can I play you against a madman like the coach up in Boston who's going to hack a Mitch?
01:15:17Right?
01:15:17And you can't have it.
01:15:21He's going to play you right off the floor.
01:15:22If he makes seven of his next 17 free throws, he would be 10 for 34 on the season, which is 29%.
01:15:32And that's seven out of 17.
01:15:35It's not even half.
01:15:36And it's more than double of what he's done so far.
01:15:39I will take the bet that that does not happen.
01:15:41If the real is real or not, we should be worried.
01:15:48Yes.
01:15:49Because over the course of his career, the percentage has literally gone 60, 57, 49, 48.6, 48.4, 41.
01:15:58Last year was 68, but it was only on 19 attempts.
01:16:01We saw what happened in the playoffs.
01:16:02And then three for 17 this year, where it's at 17%.
01:16:06Last year in the playoffs, by the way, he was 22 for 56, 39% on free throws.
01:16:13He's a 39% career playoff free throw shooter, as a matter of fact.
01:16:16And for his NBA career during the regular season, 51%.
01:16:19If you're going to be a non-shooter, I always say you got to be elite at something.
01:16:24He is elite offensive rebound.
01:16:25He is a really good defender.
01:16:27Yes.
01:16:28That's why he's in the league.
01:16:30I'm not going to go crazy the way size nine does.
01:16:33I don't know.
01:16:33Like Mr. Robinson took his girl or something.
01:16:35No, I don't understand what's going on there.
01:16:38But, but there's, maybe he doesn't like his TikTok, which no comment, but anyway, I'm just
01:16:47said in, in, in the real world that what I will say is like, yo, this is a problem.
01:16:51Can you play this person on the floor against elite level teams?
01:16:54I, I, and this is why I know body said he wouldn't sell low on him.
01:17:01And I understand that.
01:17:03And I would, and for more explanation on that, you can check out our latest episode, uh, without
01:17:08hot takes, which I had a little hot take around that.
01:17:10I kind of would, I've been coming to that.
01:17:11I think this is a bit more of a problem than we're seeing.
01:17:14Brian just gave you all the numbers.
01:17:16It's going down and down.
01:17:17It's not getting better.
01:17:18This is a man at one point who wanted to be more involved in the offense, who wanted
01:17:23to shoot more threes was posting workout videos and shooting threes probably still does, by
01:17:28the way, why would he waver?
01:17:31And I had heard was not happy to tip tips.
01:17:33Wasn't letting them do more in the offense.
01:17:36He's doing less now.
01:17:38I mean, when you shoot 17% for the lie, isn't that with good reason?
01:17:42And Mike Brown, Mike Brown's mentioned that like, you know, yo, I thought Mike Brown's comments
01:17:47the other day about like, yeah, if he can't get it done there, we got to play somebody
01:17:50else.
01:17:50I was like, I like that.
01:17:51I like that.
01:17:52But this is why he's so important to a title because he's an elite offensive rebounder,
01:17:56but he's the ultimate swing piece.
01:17:58This is why I think he's so important for them because he can win you a series, which
01:18:02we saw against Cleveland, which you saw against Boston, like him being able to knock down
01:18:06enough free throws in the Boston series and then being able to terrorize them on the glass
01:18:10helped you win that series.
01:18:11Same thing with Cleveland, just dominating against Jared Allen and Evan Mobley.
01:18:15Right.
01:18:16And I think a lot of Knicks fans now would watch the play.
01:18:19Well, if they played in the playoffs tomorrow, they'd be like, oh yeah, Mitch, Mitch and
01:18:23Towns got it against, against even this version of Evan Mobley, who, by the way, is probably
01:18:27not developing at the rate.
01:18:28Some, some of y'all think he would have.
01:18:30Um, and Jared Allen, who's Jared Allen.
01:18:33So I, his on and off, like they're better with him on the floor when he's producing, but
01:18:39if he's not making free throws, teams are going to do the Joe Mazzula.
01:18:43They're going to hack a Mitch and go ahead.
01:18:45I think you're going to see more.
01:18:46Listen, Knicks fans.
01:18:48I think you'd settle if you shot 50%.
01:18:49You got one out of two.
01:18:51You would, it'd be a glorious day for yourself and Mitch Robinson.
01:18:55I can't believe he shot 60% once his rookie year.
01:18:58It doesn't feel like that.
01:19:00That was that real life.
01:19:01It really happened though.
01:19:02Before COVID.
01:19:03I don't know if anything before COVID is real.
01:19:06All right.
01:19:07Last one.
01:19:09The Knicks defense has it turned a corner.
01:19:10They've been better.
01:19:11They've got up according to cleaning the glass.
01:19:13They're 14th in defensive rating.
01:19:15That is 115.5 points per possession.
01:19:18Um, they've been trending up.
01:19:20They now will get OGN and OB back, which I think is going to cover a lot of warts that
01:19:24we've seen with their defense.
01:19:25It'll help a lot.
01:19:26And hopefully he's healthy.
01:19:28Knock on wood.
01:19:30Uh, is, do you think the defense is turning a corner?
01:19:33They've been good the last five of the last six games, but you also got to look at some
01:19:37of the competition, right?
01:19:38The competition has not necessarily been good.
01:19:40So you say a real or not, or I lean to know, let's see more.
01:19:46Yeah, I agree.
01:19:48I need, I need to see it against some of these teams that we actually might see them play
01:19:53in the playoffs, not Brooklyn, Charlotte, you know, the, like all due respect, uh, Milwaukee
01:20:00without Giannis, um, or, or even with Giannis, quite frankly, as a matter of fact, um, whatever,
01:20:08like I, I need to see, I need to see it there.
01:20:11Now, OG is going to help.
01:20:12OG is absolutely going to help because OG is all defense, um, and shit.
01:20:19He was playing like a fringe all-star candidate, uh, before he got injured.
01:20:24We'll see.
01:20:24And he's returning, I think sooner than some of us, even Stefan Bondi expected, but you
01:20:29got to see it against, you know, uh, Orlando coming up Sunday.
01:20:33You got to see it against Toronto Tuesday and the cup game.
01:20:36Um, Indiana, if they're healthy after that.
01:20:38And if you get to the cup semis and the cup finals, obviously like those are the teams
01:20:42Philly at home, depending on who they play, but Philly at home still, that's not going to
01:20:46be easy.
01:20:47Miami at home after that.
01:20:48Like they have some, I don't want to say gut check games, but they have some important
01:20:53games this month where we, we can take real stuff away from after this Utah game coming
01:20:59up.
01:20:59Yeah.
01:21:00There's some really important games this month.
01:21:01So it should be, I agree.
01:21:02Yeah.
01:21:02It's like, I'm not going to go say it hasn't turned a corner.
01:21:05I liked it.
01:21:06It's, I like where they are better than where they were three and a half weeks ago.
01:21:10I might say, I agree, but I want to see more.
01:21:13I Orlando is really the game.
01:21:15And I, I, I agree with, I completely agree with Steph.
01:21:18I will be in the building on Sunday for the Orlando game.
01:21:21I really want to see how they play against that team.
01:21:25I'm really intrigued.
01:21:26Do you still think they could be a top 10 defense?
01:21:28Like you said earlier in the year.
01:21:30I do this season.
01:21:31I do 14th right now.
01:21:32I think 14, 14.
01:21:33Yeah, I still do because I, because I think, and I said eight to 10 and I'll stand on that.
01:21:38I, I still think there's principles of what they're doing.
01:21:40The problem for them is they're taking away, they're taking away the paint really good and
01:21:44shots there.
01:21:46The two problems I've seen where I don't, what I don't love.
01:21:48One, it kind of also works on offense too, but people get what I'm saying.
01:21:52The one is they're not guarding the three point line as well as they should.
01:21:55They've given up a ton of threes, especially corner threes, given up a lot of corner threes.
01:21:59That's all season.
01:22:00Yeah.
01:22:00And some of that, again, some of that I do think will get mitigated with, with OG back
01:22:05because there was a time where they were trending up a little bit before OG got hurt.
01:22:08And then you started to get back and then he trended back up.
01:22:10I think you'll see a trend back and that's why I think you get them into the top 10.
01:22:13If they can start playing that level defense.
01:22:15Good.
01:22:15The other thing is Mitchell Robinson has not played to me and especially in garden space
01:22:19at the level of defender that we've seen him before too.
01:22:22That's something that's get better.
01:22:23Hopefully he's healthy enough to do so.
01:22:25Not saying he's injured, but that's something that has to get better.
01:22:27And, you know, the other thing is like, this is where the Orlando game comes in.
01:22:31And I know you're going to be keeping your eye on this.
01:22:34Hey, when teams are long and physical, really it's the physicality I'm talking about here.
01:22:40When they get physical with you, what you got for that?
01:22:43And that goes on offense too, because when the defense becomes physical on you, what you
01:22:46got for that?
01:22:47And can you bring that same energy back to those teams?
01:22:49We're talking about Orlando.
01:22:50We haven't seen Atlanta yet.
01:22:52They will be in that team as long that can, you know, throw some length and some physicality
01:22:56at you, Detroit's another one.
01:22:58How are you going to match up against those teams?
01:23:00That's going to be the key.
01:23:01Something I want to see.
01:23:02And that's something that's going to be better at defensively.
01:23:04And Paolo might play in that game because he's questionable to play tomorrow.
01:23:08Paolo might be back.
01:23:09And for the Toronto game, it's possible that RJ Barrett's back.
01:23:12It's possible that Jakob Purtill plays as well.
01:23:15Didn't play in the last game where they played against the Knicks.
01:23:17So that's something that's also worth keeping an eye on.
01:23:21Miami's gotten healthier from the last times that they played against each other as well,
01:23:25since they've gotten Tyler Hero back, although they haven't looked better offensively.
01:23:28I will reiterate, but they have gotten healthier since then.
01:23:34And Indiana's healthier, has gotten healthier, you know, because they lost everybody at one
01:23:39point.
01:23:39They've gotten a couple guys back, Mather and Nembhardt.
01:23:43Philadelphia, like Embiid started tonight.
01:23:46You know, you never know when Embiid's going to play, but he started tonight.
01:23:51Um, so yeah, I think, I think that's the thing too.
01:23:55It feels like they're going to see more real teams coming up and healthier teams coming
01:23:59up because even, even some of the teams that they play, like they, they, the Nets didn't
01:24:03have Cam Thomas, the Hornets didn't have Brandon Miller and it's the NBA.
01:24:07Now everyone's going to be missing somebody, but like, that's just the reality of it.
01:24:11But you're healthy now.
01:24:12If you, once you get OG back, like it's just, it's just down, shame it.
01:24:16Right.
01:24:17So yeah, you got to see, and we'll be interested to see what Mike Brown, what Mike Brown does
01:24:22with the lineup.
01:24:22He does have some more flexibility.
01:24:23We'll see how all that goes there.
01:24:25All right.
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01:24:47the NBA cup semifinals, which the Knicks could be.
01:24:49And if they do that, they will play on Saturday, the 13th of December.
01:24:54They obviously play Toronto on Tuesday.
01:24:57We will be doing a live watch party for that more details to come in that soon, including
01:25:01a guest and hopefully a live watch party for the semifinals game and the finals game.
01:25:06And if it gets to that, we will do all the cup, uh, cup post season.
01:25:10If you want to call it that knockout round games, uh, we will have coming up to, uh, once
01:25:15again, thanks to our guest, Stefan Bondy, uh, for coming through with us, giving us some,
01:25:20uh, good insight.
01:25:21What more videos, Stefan, I will be at the game tomorrow.
01:25:23I have a post game video on that.
01:25:25We'll also have something on Sunday, um, which I'm working on in terms of doing something
01:25:30with stuff after the Orlando game.
01:25:32And then also hopefully having somebody to preview the Toronto matchup.
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