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00:00Yeah, I heard it was messy.
00:02Wait, but why wouldn't she come?
00:04Dakota told me yesterday, she was like, I'm not coming tomorrow.
00:08If Dakota's coming.
00:10Is Dakota coming?
00:11We'll see.
00:14You guys, I lost my wedding ring.
00:16Is that like a sign?
00:17I have this one, but the one that Sydney made and all my bands, gone.
00:22Brett can sit next to me if no one wants to sit next to me.
00:25So you guys have big issue with Brett, is that what I need to understand here?
00:28I don't care to talk to him.
00:30I don't care to interact with him.
00:31Apparently, Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist.
00:34I think Demi and Brett specifically, they have more skeletons in their closet.
00:38And so if they can flip that narrative and talk badly about Jen, it covers them up.
00:43And it's so exhausting and so annoying.
00:48Welcome.
00:49What's going on?
00:50Are you okay?
00:52Yeah, great.
00:53Come on out with it.
00:54I mean, we will.
00:55We have all day for that.
00:56Yeah.
00:58Maybe use this as like an opportunity to get everything off of your chest.
01:06Maybe the fucker's not here.
01:08He's going to watch it, obviously.
01:09My stupid brain won't shut up.
01:11Like, I'm like getting ready.
01:11I'm like already heated.
01:13And I'm like, shut up.
01:14Dear Heavenly Father, we want to thank Thee for the opportunity we have to come together today.
01:28We pray that we can have the strength to stand by our own principles and our own values, as well as listen to those who may have differing opinions.
01:35And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
01:37Amen.
01:37Amen.
01:38All right, you guys.
01:39Seeker Live, season three of Reunion.
01:44Gorgeous, gorgeous girls.
01:47Hi, Scott.
01:47Welcome to you.
01:48You look beautiful.
01:50You do, too.
01:51Is this your first hosting?
01:53No, I did Villa.
01:54So this is my second one.
01:55Oh, Reunion you hosted?
01:56Yeah.
01:57Okay, I didn't watch it for obvious reasons, but it wasn't because of you.
02:01Yeah, no, it's okay.
02:07I would love to hear your truth, Brett.
02:09Like, just tell us where you're coming from.
02:12The biggest problem I think I have with everybody is the knee-jerk reaction to Demi saying that she was a victim was to not believe her.
02:21The only reason I ever brought up you having sex with Marciano was because he told me that that's what happened.
02:26It didn't happen.
02:27He did tell us you guys kissed.
02:29So I'm hearing that.
02:30Yeah.
02:31False.
02:31There was not a kiss in the mouth.
02:33There was two ass grabs.
02:35If he actually assaulted you, why did you continue to talk to him?
02:39Just the classic case of victim blaming.
02:42Can we agree that she was, like, flirting and having long conversations and, like, building a relationship with a guy like she just met?
02:48She wasn't building a relationship with him.
02:50Not flirty at all.
02:51You would feel comfortable sending to another woman that you're swallowing cum?
02:56I'm not wired like you, bud.
02:57You should rewire yourself.
02:59Oh, yeah.
02:59That's disturbing.
03:00Okay.
03:01All right, little guy.
03:02It's the Lulu land, dude.
03:04What'd you say?
03:05You guys live in a different universe.
03:07I had no idea that pathological lying was contagious, but I guess it is.
03:13I don't even know why you're here.
03:14Just walk away.
03:15Everyone's being nice to you.
03:17People just talk shit behind your back because you're a shitty person.
03:20Hey, the feeling's neutral, dipshit, just so you know.
03:22Good.
03:22And it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice.
03:25Oh, nice, bro.
03:26You're a big guy.
03:27I think that's a little steep, and I don't think anything good is going to come from talking like that.
03:31Let's just stop provoking each other just for a minute.
03:34Nice to finally meet you in person.
03:36I know.
03:36I've heard a lot, and people always haven't seen your show, but they're like, you remind me of Stasi.
03:43Obviously, I need to go watch it because I'm like, I want to see.
03:45And now I don't want you to see it because I just don't want you to judge me in my 20s.
03:49It's not who you are now, I'm sure.
03:51Oh, is it like a long time ago?
03:52Yeah, I was like 22 when I started it.
03:55I'm 37 now.
03:56I am your elder.
03:57The crazy thing to me, Zach, about you and Jen.
03:59Let's just watch this.
04:01I'm going to keep talking.
04:02I don't care to talk to you.
04:03I don't care to talk to you to me.
04:04I don't care to talk about any of that stuff.
04:06That's your story.
04:07The feeling's mutual, bud.
04:08So that's perfect.
04:09And I'm going to talk to you.
04:11I'm here.
04:12So we're going to talk.
04:14Welcome to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the season three reunion.
04:18I'm your host, Stasi Schroeder.
04:20And the holidays must have come early this year because we've got some gifts in store for you.
04:25We've decked the halls, lined the trees, and pulled out all the red carpets for our very merry Mormon wives
04:31to look back at a very memorable season.
04:33Ladies, I am dazzled.
04:36I'm delighted to be a part of this.
04:38Not just because I am a huge fan, but because, like, I have been exactly in your shoes.
04:44I've dated the bad boy, argued allegations, had the fallouts, and managed the fame.
04:49Last time this cast was on this stage, y'all had a medic in the back and a pregnancy suite in the dressing room.
04:57Since then, we've had some very exciting updates.
05:00Take a look.
05:01It's like 3.45 in the morning, and my water just broke.
05:06I'm nervous.
05:07I'm nervous.
05:14Oh, my God.
05:16I'm so, so, so.
05:18That was crazy.
05:21Hey!
05:25Oh, wait, don't do that.
05:27McKayla, did you have underwear on when you were giving birth in a shower?
05:30no honestly i was so blacked out at that point like i was in another planet um but no it was a
05:36little monitoring strap oh yeah macy and michaela there's a conspiracy theory that you both named
05:42your daughters charlotte is this true we actually didn't we didn't it's a joke it's a conspiracy
05:49no yeah just the fuck up i always liked the name lottie it was like my one that i had throughout
05:55that i was like okay i'm sticking to this yeah and i knew that macy had charlie on her list
06:00i didn't know what name she was naming her baby until like two days after birth wait so you guys
06:04neither of your child's name is charlotte no no i was god jen you shared so much about like your
06:14struggles while you were pregnant i think it's just like prenatal like yeah depression i think i first
06:22started feeling depressed when i realized what needed to change in my life and in my marriage
06:29but it wasn't until after i found out i was pregnant that i truly hit rock bottom
06:35i don't even know what happened yesterday oh jen oh my god
06:41how are you feeling now postpartum yeah um sorry oh no oh my gosh sorry it's just crazy to see
06:54how far i've come it's just me sorry oh my god little penny with so much hair
07:01it's just crazy to see um her now i just love her so much and she's like literally everything to me
07:11i remember when i found out i was pregnant with her i was genuinely disappointed because i felt like i
07:18wasn't ready but everything happens for a reason and she is like the reason why i'm healed to this
07:24day sorry i'm sure people have come reached out to you about oh my gosh thank you for being so open
07:30about what you went through because you are helping people yeah right now oh yeah prenatal depression
07:34and postpartum is not talked about enough re-watching that just made me realize like oh my gosh
07:40like i can't believe i'm here and i'm in a better place and i feel like i'm genuinely happier
07:45and it's because of her so i love that our babies always save us they really do yeah that was not
07:51mature how we did it let's just talk okay i genuinely want to know let's start over seriously
07:55where i am hurt and have feelings towards you and to me is you know the hell that i was going through
08:01i came to you like i looked up to you as like this older you know person i could get advice from and i
08:06felt like we talked and you gave me a lot of good advice i'm sorry to hear that i genuinely am and
08:12i didn't know the extent to which jen was hurting come here was that thought you're going to beat
08:18my ass i'm not gonna do that to me how are you i'm good how are you back in mom talk i'm back no
08:25i was shocked whitney came back because dancing with the stars but i didn't know why you came back
08:33i just felt like there was unfinished business yeah and i felt like there was a pattern of self-sabotage
08:39and watching myself back i'm like oh there's my shadow there's like the sides of me that need to
08:43be healed and for me i'm like no i deserve to be here and i have you know a story to tell so yeah
08:49i'm excited i'm excited to be back well good to have you here thank you from breakups to makeups
08:55and a few massive shake-ups mom talk and co have kept things moving and kept us guessing so tonight
09:01we're leaving no stone unturned no tea unspelled and no duncan refresher unstirred we will be joined
09:09by a slew of surprise guests popping in as our fabulous duncan sip and tellers at our duncan
09:14bev bar let's get to the chase oh no ladies mom talk how we doing
09:25apparently i was unanimously requested by everyone here to be the bartender that's a full-blown line
09:33maybe taylor we got some drinks for everyone here snacks just stay behind the bar i don't need to
09:39get touched again at least you used touched instead of shot taylor chase thank you you go
09:45oh it's really good we've got some questions for you chase is it weird as to be sitting like behind
09:52taylor i'm normally next door oh oh lord he'd rather be on top or bottom though let's talk about your
10:00date um should we kiss for our friend's sake taylor did you know it was a date no not really i think
10:14it was like he wanted to just apologize i don't know why it's such a big deal i'm not married to
10:18miranda anymore okay miranda did you know about this date from what i heard it was a coffee meetup
10:27to put water into the bridge that's what i heard that's not a date it just felt like there were a
10:33few details left out and that's really where my confusion came from right okay i mean i would be
10:39annoyed too so yeah chase taylor where do you guys think you go from here
10:45we'll see i don't know
10:50okay all right so it looks like we're all gonna have to watch this on season four and we have so
10:59much to get through thanks chase for the sip and telling all right
11:04you know we love a little game around here so tonight whether you're sipping on hot cocoa
11:11a cola or a cosmo we've got a buzzword for you every time you hear the word accountability
11:17we invite all of you at home to take a sip we're gonna get alcohol poisoning you still can't sit here
11:24and just take accountability say you're right i'm here for this i know that's your favorite word
11:28oh god the accountability it's like the favorite word jesse took accountability and i take full
11:36accountability but again this is to take accountability the lack of accountability
11:39you're just taking accountability we don't hear any accountability i get it should we look up the
11:43definition because i think a lot of people in this group don't even know what it means
11:47accountability is the state of being held responsible for something or someone take
11:53accountability accountability accountability i'm not even going to say the word accountability
11:57holy shit we use that word way too much but take accountability
12:01i love the accountability that scene alone had like 12 that's the only one not in that montage
12:07i don't buy into it what she said she said i'm probably not in that montage no that was jordan
12:12wow jesse gold star whitney at one point this past season you called the other women your co-workers
12:19like what inspired this change of heart because it looked like overnight you were like i want
12:25everyone to be friends again honestly i feel like it was more so during press week i think like it was
12:30just to me and i and then it was everyone else these were huge milestones that we were all
12:35accomplishing together so it's like it's kind of sad that like we can't even be work friends
12:40macy i want to ask you why she went to you to heal mom talk at first when she approached me i was like
12:46this is a bad idea and then i was like okay well we can try it and i can't make any promises that
12:52people aren't gonna break out in a fight but i think it was cool because it took every single
12:55one of us had to be vulnerable and open up or else it wouldn't have gone the way that it did
12:58went better than i thought it did it went better than i thought it would yeah i feel like i'm good
13:03with every single one of you i'd consider every single one of you one of my friends yeah well the
13:09guys have been patiently waiting backstage but i think it's time we bring them out to join the fun
13:14dad talk come on out see you out there i'm nervous about going
13:21here to join in on the fun are jace jordan connor zach and jacob i was just in london
13:32filming the next season of banner pub villa and some of you guys were there how was the villa guys
13:37zach why did you turn bright red i just saw some things oh what oh would you see
13:45those aren't my secrets to share i will say he was a little testy when he came home from london
13:50so i was like you've been hanging out with jordan too much it's a little spicy it's not usually spicy
13:55what happened in england you're gonna have to wait and tune in just wait
13:59all right more of that on season four of secret lives of mormon wives now if you need a drink at home
14:07grab a chaser and for anyone here just grab chase let's see who else is behind the bar
14:12mason why is your shirt on
14:24so you guys are official official official how are you
14:30mason is chase's brother and he's freaking hot i used to see chase and i see you do you think it's
14:39weird to be honest i don't know i guess it's not weird i saw chase a year ago now i know that mason
14:46was interested in me first before chase was so i just accidentally tried out the wrong brother first
14:52and now we're doing redo
14:53also layla so i hear mason has met your kids yes yes do they love him did he pass the test
15:04i fear they're obsessed with him yeah the other day when we were on that hike yeah because he looks
15:09like tarzan have they seen that movie i always every single time they're eating they're like i'm
15:12gonna eat all my food so i get big bus big muscles like mason i'm like oh okay so smart i have to ask
15:19who's a better kisser definitely mason i was gonna ask his bigger i want to shift gears from mason and
15:29layla and talk about another relationship mikaela and jace you guys were very vulnerable about your
15:35struggles this season i feel like i've made a lot of strides with my past sexual abuse but as far as
15:43the intimacy issues i feel like it's been one area that i haven't been able to progress at all
15:49intimacy for me is really important it's like a deal breaker i think it's someone else's fault that
15:55took things and stole things from you and if i'm frustrated i'm frustrating at those people i'm not
15:59frustrated with you mikaela how does it feel hearing jace say not having intimacy is an issue for him
16:07sorry i'm just gonna take a second
16:10sorry i'm just gonna take a second
16:23sorry it's still really fresh everything that i'm working through
16:36you know it's a really big need of his and i think he's been very patient with me
16:41mikaela's been amazing i think that she's handling it better than i could have
16:47in her situation have things improved at all since the finale since that time i feel like i haven't had
16:54my body or felt in my body for a long time because of my health issues also she had a baby
17:00she carried that baby to term and pushed that baby out and then after having the baby it's like
17:06my health stuff all came back 180 overnight and then for him it's still hard because we're
17:10still having the intimacy issues and i'm like i don't know how to overcome it i think that's what's hard
17:15yeah jesse you look like you're getting emotional
17:20yeah um i actually loved watching mikaela's story because i knew that it happened to her but
17:30seeing it play out and like seeing her thoughts and feelings behind it um i can relate i i've been
17:36doing a lot of therapy because of mine and jordan's situation and i actually uncovered the memory that i
17:40was raped when i was 19. and um it really it like started a lot of my um issues um about like going
17:54emotionally numb and pushing people away and feeling not good enough and after uncovering that um
18:00me and jordan already had our struggles but it made it worse like i i don't exactly like i don't want
18:08him to touch me and it's not his fault but like it's so crazy how your body reacts it's not just
18:14your emotions you know um so yeah that's just been another layer of healing for me but watching
18:20her story like it just really hit home for me and i i understand fully how that can feel
18:25connor what's going through your head right now
18:29i'm so sorry jesse
18:35i feel like i can't relate in the same way
18:40i struggled with intimacy in polarizing ways and i don't want to speak for mikaela or jesse or anyone
18:48else but it can be challenging to rewire your brain at least for me the two polarizing parts are like
18:54please don't touch me i don't have control here and it scares me to i want to have like hypersexuality
19:02like i want to have as much sex as possible to put distance between me and that event i just need to
19:07get that out of my system so i don't know if i can necessarily relate with your relationships
19:13but i do know that the patience that you are giving your spouses is healing and it is breeding
19:21intimacy between the both of you i feel like that's one good thing that has come from the fame i think
19:26it has pushed a lot of us out of our comfort zone i don't know when i would have talked about it for
19:30me i would probably just push it away till i was 40 or 50 so i think this is a great thing like all
19:35the conversations that we've had i think are amazing and i think they're helping so many people
19:39that are watching so i think that's my that's my pro to me are you okay
19:44what is this triggering for you i think just like deep deep wounds and things for me that i haven't
19:56fully uncovered and things i know i've been through that i've blocked out as well and then just
20:04listening to you guys talk about it is like it's so sad that we're sitting here in a room
20:09and like how many people in this room have experienced something like this to a degree
20:14and that with everything that i went through the past year not to compare because what i went through
20:20was not even close to what most everyone has gone through but it triggered a lot of
20:28really horrible things that have happened in my life so to not be believed and be questioned and
20:37like be called a liar um yeah that it was just horrible so i'm touched to like hear the way you
20:46guys are talking about it and connor when you talk about it it's like my little younger self is
20:53like getting the hug that i needed you guys should be so proud of yourselves thank you for being so
20:59open all of you i feel like you're gonna help so many people by talking about it we have a former
21:05member of dad talk waiting to join us and now feels like a good time let's bring out brett
21:10he's joined us here now how are you doing doing well happy to be here good so for the past two
21:18seasons fans have been wondering what really happened with marciano and mom talk we've read
21:24receipts reviewed recaps and for some reason still haven't wrapped this up take a look so i met with
21:31marciano and he told me that you guys have been having an affair the past couple months he told me
21:38that you guys had sex oh my fucking hell i can't we did not have sex there's dark parts of me that
21:45just sometimes want to throw up my hands and just say i don't want to do this anymore are you still
21:50the person that i want to be with it ultimately led to us deciding to separate did me tell you to
21:57say that you slept with jesse yeah did you and demid kiss in italy oh god you guys if i go admit
22:03into that i just don't want a war i know marciano was hurt by me ending things abruptly so it does
22:09make sense that he would join forces with demid because he wanted revenge oh what who's that
22:16marciano he said uninvited to the function because a 30 year old mormon wife scared to tell her husband
22:22the truth and then to be commented she goes grown men acting like a child because they couldn't bag a
22:28married woman and then she commented another night also she got uninvited because he's a sexual predator
22:32he's not a sexual he's not he's not a predator i think the biggest thing for me that's triggering
22:37right now is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly want to understand she knows how
22:43to bulldoze you in conversation she has a way of making people believe her never once did i feel it
22:49for him we've never kissed in our life i've never even told him he was cute period the end my gut is
22:56telling me everything is calculated i definitely think she's a threat to mom talks foundation the band is
23:01officially back together we still have a lot to work on but i do feel a little more hopeful because
23:06i am seeing patterns and behaviors that i needed to see before i personally feel like the things that
23:11i've needed to face i've faced so are you ready to officially move back in i'm over the moon about
23:17having a chance to take another stab at this so jesse you had an emotional affair with marciano
23:26what did he provide for you emotionally i always say like it honestly could have been anyone
23:33at home i just was feeling not seen not appreciated not loved i couldn't do anything right so just to
23:40have someone who like thought i was cool or funny or just like didn't see those negative things like
23:46it was just someone getting me attention in a positive way and not putting me down all the time
23:49do you regret though cheating yeah i wish i would have just left jordan at that time instead of
23:55cheating i truly was like if i do something like this like that will get me out it was almost like
24:01well he hasn't hit me he hasn't done anything like that so like it was really hard to like justify
24:05leaving but emotional abuse and that toxicity can drain you and it did and it made me a person i'm not
24:11proud of macy i know you had a lot of opinions about this yeah no it's hard i've obviously i'm someone
24:18who's been through an abusive relationship and i know theirs isn't the same as mine but i think for
24:21me i like that jordan was finally owning things but i was also like as long as you we had the action
24:27behind it because words are just words unless there's action put behind it um but yeah no i mean
24:31it's not something you want to hear about your friend that's why i'm always really protective
24:34taylor but at the end of the day i know they have to make their own choices so i try to stay in one
24:38relationship at a time and do what i can so it's like i'm not trying to jump too deep into jesse now
24:42i will say i do remember him taking his part of being like i did mess up i did do this to her and
24:49i did do that and there was no buts after and so i appreciated that part of it but behind closed
24:53doors when you go home with him i don't know how that was so we all don't know that part so only
24:58they can speak on that one well jesse do you feel like jordan has put action behind it yeah we've been
25:03in therapy for a while and i have seen a lot of changes i will say like i wouldn't still be here if
25:07that wasn't happening unfortunately healing isn't overnight so we've had setbacks and there are still
25:13things i worry about but overall i do feel like he's taken what i've said and applied a lot of it
25:19i just need time to see if it's gonna feel genuine you know jordan how do you feel about that i've had
25:25to make changes and i've had to look at myself in the mirror and like think about like the kind of
25:29person that i want to be not for jesse but for myself like i am i'm proud of myself for the changes
25:35that i've made and i really hope that those changes are enough to have a chance at saving my
25:41family well there was even more drama behind the scenes the night layla broke the news of jesse's
25:47affair take a look at this extended cut of one of the phone calls between jesse and marciano
25:52i'm just gonna go like this
25:56so i was told that you said we had sex you know that that's not true so i'm just confused why it
26:06was said that way jesse i'm not gonna get into a disagreement with you okay do you think we had
26:10we kissed twice that was it okay no marciano you know that like i i'm just you know that i i i'm
26:28willing to be so open and honest that i had feelings for you like i was struggling in my
26:33marriage but i want it to be the truth it's everything a hundred percent that you wanted to
26:38me jordan and that you loved me yes one thousand percent i'm gonna have to like everything's
26:42coming out so that's why i just really want it to be the truth this is the thing is that we're
26:47gonna have this shit come out be a fucking honest this is so much bigger than you think to me really
26:51fucked me i don't want to get into it i really can't oh my god i gotta go jordan how do you feel
27:01watching that well um a little bit um triggered okay yeah i uh was specifically told by jesse that
27:15she never had said that she was gonna leave me for that piece of shit i didn't say i was gonna
27:21leave you for him i told marciano that's what i most likely i'm gonna leave my husband because
27:25i'm unhappy i never said it was for him and i've told you that footage is what that said
27:29he didn't say for me and i never said for him i might have put that in my own head then yeah okay
27:36well then yeah jesse the results of the lie detector test were inconclusive
27:43at parts yeah specifically the parts about contact with marciano besides two kisses we got the results
27:50results are in have you ever had sexual intercourse with marciano it says no
27:55true yeah so you're good on that one number two besides those two kisses have you ever had any
28:00sexual physical contact marciano no
28:02inconclusive wait what
28:07what can you say i know that looks so bad i was like shit so in the moment when she asked that
28:13question i was like okay nothing else happened besides those two kisses honestly but in my head i was
28:17like hey well i did touch his arm like he did grab me here like there were things like that but i'm
28:21like i don't want to say yes so i said no and then it came back that way so i understand why because in
28:26my head i was having that internal battle at this point though like i know my truth it did say we
28:31didn't have sex and i'm glad that that was cleared up and genuinely nothing else happened and at this
28:36point i would also say it because also yeah what do you have to lose at this point like half the time
28:41i've wanted to leave jordan it would give me a reason genuinely and i've told him that can i ask you
28:46guys just everybody you watch marciano talk like that the way that he talks how do you give anything
28:52that he says any credibility whatsoever i think that's why it's so messy is because you can't well
28:58we know we're just using facts that we've seen too yeah it's not what marciano is off his phone
29:03it's not what marciano is saying we clearly know he speaks in riddles when you guys were
29:07at the villa in england you guys seemed okay with marciano no not i i wasn't these guys yeah i will
29:16be honest yeah not not me he did seem like he was a nice guy there he was charismatic he stayed out of
29:22the drama like i felt like he was respectful to jordan so it was confusing okay demi what do you say
29:28about continuing on a friendship and relationship with him after what you're accusing him of yeah i mean
29:36we have to separate the two because you can be sexually assaulted and then also continue a
29:42relationship so one doesn't have to take away from the other and why i did that i think honestly just
29:48boils down to a trauma response and having a lack of boundaries and feeling like i needed to make
29:54excuses for what happened and also to keep what happened quiet because i didn't want it to come out
30:01and like the best way to describe it is the hell that i've been through for the past year
30:05and the women who didn't understand like well why didn't you want that to come out i don't i don't
30:09understand how that doesn't affect you it's weird though and i'm again i mean i'm not trying to call
30:13you a liar to this day he will double down on a few things and one of those things is when we're
30:18demi and i were leaving the villa we kissed on the lips no i did not because it was off camera
30:22jen when you say things like it was off camera why are you saying that as though you know
30:27to me i've seen it now things did happen between demi and marciano whether she wants to admit it
30:33or not i mean she was literally right next to him like grabbing his hands like googly eyes like
30:39talking laughing like it for sure did not seem like a married woman was talking to another single man
30:48with boundaries did you see anything happen off camera i i hate to say the word but like again i just
30:54haven't seen any accountability did you see anything no i happen oh i didn't i did it why
31:00did you say you did why are you saying why did you why did you threaten because of the shit i've
31:06gone through for the past year jen which you don't fucking understand because you've never been
31:10sexually assaulted yes i actually have uh she has she has and i haven't she has okay
31:14then why then have some fucking respect because i was too it goes please i'm not talking to you
31:21you're talking to my wife yeah i'm talking to your wife i'm talking to your wife then talk
31:25respectfully i will talk to her how i feel like she deserves to be talked to i've done nothing to
31:30jen she's made my life i'm living you've done nothing to me you bullied me i bullied you after
31:35you went you sat in the thing we're here for you we know what happened we're over on your side
31:40five seconds later you turn to mikaela and go if she comes from next season i'm exposing this
31:44what the fuck is wrong with you what the actual fuck is wrong with your brain
31:49what the fuck is wrong with you what the actual fuck is wrong with your brain how do you feel about
31:58your wife texting the word come to another man how do you feel about that jen listen no listen to what
32:04i'm going to tell you just listen i'll answer your question answer my question i'm asking i started
32:07asking how do you how do you feel about that so just with respect is that appropriate with respect
32:11just listen okay but it's hard to be respectful when it's not being reciprocated okay answer your
32:15question and that's what happens with us it's got to go both ways i don't understand if you want to
32:19be heard out you got to hear other people here's the problem because there's 20 different things
32:22that we could say you're the one telling people to shut their fucking mouth all right zach come on
32:26but don't don't i'm not going to be disrespectful to jen don't be disrespectful disrespectful to
32:31me please please not being disrespectful the question i have for you is she's telling me to
32:37shut my fucking mouth okay can you listen are you trying to avoid my question i don't understand why
32:42you keep interrupting please jen i am asking you if you didn't see the things that you said you saw
32:49why did you say you did why did you say you saw her sitting on his lap why did you say you saw her
32:54kiss him on the lips hold on and before you answer just know there's there's footage like the whole
32:59thing was filmed we just need to stop this is clearly not the place okay so i feel like why
33:04don't we talk about demie and jesse's relationship their friendship you guys were best friends thick
33:09as thieves always together and now it's like how would you describe your friendship today i watch it
33:16fall apart yeah i would say that we've made strides and we've talked about things but i have walls up
33:22because i don't fully trust and i think she did multiple things to me back to back to back to back
33:27so i i don't quite understand certain things and i think because of that i still have a huge guard up
33:31to me how do you feel about her your friendship yeah it's almost as though we haven't had conversations
33:35like when i hear her say that and it's like i don't understand to me i'm confused because we've
33:39talked this through so many times my intention from start to finish was so that this never
33:46fucking came to light and in placating and being nice to marciano he was gonna go on a podcast
33:53and i was like shit i need to control how this plays out why were you so involved in my story
34:00trying to keep him at bay i understand because i did it but i was trying to hide something i did
34:06wrong so why did you feel like you had to placate because i didn't want to go through what i've been
34:09going through the past year and have to talk about this at all i feel like this is an impossible
34:13situation because right before this we just saw you know everyone's talking about sexual assault and
34:18you clearly see to me crying and like that's a super sensitive topic i think the reason we want
34:23to have these conversations is because when we say it doesn't add up we're not trying to say you're a
34:27liar discredit you but like in our minds from what we know it doesn't macy how uncomfortable would it be
34:32if you got and i'm sorry i'm not trying to be insensitive but you got raped by your abuser or you
34:38got slapped or whatever and then afterwards you're like i love you and then later they're like macy it's
34:43really weird that you said i love you yeah i don't like when you do that being in a relationship
34:49with someone is so different than someone you knew for two days i'm sorry the problem is that you got
34:53becoming the the judge jury and executioner as to how she reacted well she put me in a really bad
34:58position so i have every right to question her too i'm sorry this is a tit for tap for you yeah it
35:02has to be this is bullshit and i'm about to walk off then go how do we get to the bottom of this if
35:08people why are you acting this way towards me you would be just i want answers it's all these
35:15things where we're like this doesn't add up i just don't appreciate the lies the lies piss me off so
35:20bad because it's affected my life for the past year in a very negative way and jen's off living
35:26her merry life on dancing with the stars raking in dollar bills and i'm a lying villain you don't
35:31think bullying me affected me sweetie how did i bully you how did you bully me you treated me like
35:37shit you were lying about me and then you want expected me to have this wave of empathy for you
35:42because you were having a hard time
35:44i think that this is this is going to have to be a larger conversation i don't think this is going to
35:51be wrapped up today i think too much but do you see what we just have what we just we want to talk
35:56about i truly hope you all can find a way to move forward with all of this but we need to move on
36:04with the reunion we have another guest coming i am kindly requesting all of your cooperation
36:11our next guest only agreed to participate if the ladies of mom talk exited the stage while their
36:17interview takes place out of respect for that request i am asking taylor macy michaela jen jesse
36:26lela miranda demi and whitney to follow our stage manager back to their dressing rooms where they
36:33can continue watching the reunion
36:35the means example where she if there weren't cameras they would have been like oh did i physically
36:46assault you would you tell people that that i was like that i put my hands on you which is an assault
36:51like i for a while was like am i gonna get strung out as like someone who hits girls yeah all because
36:58of you know she was at an emotional high and i think i'd love to chat with her about that because
37:03i've never been able to our experiences are valid and it's like muddied because of this stupid
37:08fucking asshole that's lied and sorry but jen who's lied and put all these things in your head
37:13that never happened okay she's not telling why she's telling her experience and she saw you be
37:18flirting the villain so did all of us i will never put myself in a situation like that again and that
37:23sucks especially when you've been in that situation and it like brings up old stuff like then you start
37:29really blaming yourself for like what they do it's more painful to not be believed than to say or
37:35enough to go over it over and over and over and feel the pain of past things than to just say fuck yeah
37:42we kissed fuck yeah this happened i'd rather something fucking happened at this point
37:47it's excruciating and it's ruining my reputation and we hear you and we hear you are not
37:52sorry
37:55i want to go home
38:10i want to go home
38:12don't feel like you have to go out there no i feel like i have to for me okay for you then
38:22let's fucking do it let's do it i want you to really feel like you're up to it every part of
38:28me wants to run and i'm like no you're gonna stay like you deserve to be here and like you're not
38:34gonna let them win did you leave leave she might have i heard this wailing and i was like what was
38:39that noise and she's outside talking to somebody i saw brett talking yeah right so i don't know if
38:43she was leaving or not okay i know that was a lot but we do have a special guest waiting to come out
38:50is everyone ready
38:52oh my gosh did he so he's been watching this whole thing welcome back to the secret lives of mormon
39:06wives season three reunion against all odds and expectations we have dakota here with me
39:13and the rest of dad talk tensions between mom talk and dad talk took a toll on many of our cast members
39:19this season and in an effort to speak his truth dakota agreed to join us tonight on the condition
39:25that taylor and the rest of mom talk be backstage can we turn this up a little bit
39:30dakota i was rooting for you and taylor's relationship
39:32and now you can't even be on the same stage with her why are you a little bit you have to admit
39:37it's kind of crazy yeah you kicked the girl okay off of their own stage i'm just gonna say that was a
39:45little more dramatic than i thought it was gonna be it wasn't supposed to be like that none of the
39:49husbands are getting sex tonight that's for sure conor already did before 8 a.m yeah wow i know all i
39:54wanted was just to be able to have like a good conversation and i think most people would agree
39:59that like when me and taylor are together it's really hard for us to just talk so that was
40:04really my own only thing i think that's fair your relationship with taylor has gotten to a point
40:10where she'll be looking for love on the next season of the bachelorette what happened let's take a look
40:16how are you how are things you had him like for 11 days i did it was like good bonding for us really
40:23yeah well i'm sure well yeah i feel so close to him the goal is to have healthy co-parenting
40:30and to focus on our healing individually i am not going to be in a relationship until i'm in a
40:36healthier spot my roommate went missing this morning
40:39yes we had sex like obviously how about that i love you last night if ever there was a future for
40:50dakota and i there would have to be no more lies no more secrets are taylor and dakota back together
40:56i'm not trying to snitch but during one of the times they were broken up leanne's friend she
41:02started like hitting on him and it kind of turned sexual this is the fourth girl now and it's like
41:06it's a fucking family member i hate you i don't think you like understand how big of a deal this is
41:11i just like want your full transparency dakota came clean to me
41:19there's never been anything going on between me and dakota i literally would have only invited him
41:23over to cry it out or whatever cry it out and then fuck
41:27you haven't been happy for three years i did my mediation taylor i'm glad that you
41:37took the initiative to contact the attorney and finally set some boundaries i have no choice
41:42we're done sorry can you throw me that water real quick to make you nervous yeah you guys
41:49he's sweating he's like hey what lines did you cover up right now how are you and taylor now
41:54i don't i mean i think
41:56probably not good if i had to say like and i don't like that like i wish it was uh i wish it
42:06was better but i just think the emotions are still like really high okay in your words what happened
42:13with taylor's family friend it's been over two years now um so i think when this happened me and
42:20taylor were together for like 10 months we were both in a very toxic cycle for me
42:26anyways it was like i was always getting broken up with and this was like the first like time
42:31where she broke up with me where i guess for me it felt like very legit like it felt like it was
42:35real for me this lady that i had met through taylor's family she leaned out to me and was just
42:42checking in on me because obviously she had heard what happened and she was just like being
42:46super nice um and then it wasn't it didn't like get weird did you guys talk about taylor
42:52yeah it was about her relationship yeah so like you confided in her yeah it was just about like
42:58how how crappy it is and like how sad i am okay let's see what he lies about and then i'll go out
43:03there and clear it up and then it got to a point to where i'm trying to think of exactly step by step
43:09but it was like yeah think about those lies you're gonna tell she's just making him feel like a fool
43:13it's not that hard to do it's just the facts and then like out of nowhere i feel like she kind of
43:20like came on to me which that i think just kind of surprised me given in that moment like i didn't
43:27actually think that was going to happen if again that's just my opinion like i really didn't think
43:33that was going to happen and then uh and then from there it was like even the pictures we sent
43:39like what pictures did you yeah by the way yeah yeah which no no i'm getting to it i just want to
43:44make sure i explain this because i don't want things twisted like even on the the episode i
43:48watched one of them and it was like taylor was questioning me i was like oh there's only one
43:51picture sent there's only one picture sent i was referring to she only sent me one picture there
43:56was multiple pictures sent but she only sent me one picture so you sent her yeah no no no i only sent
44:03one more picture so there's two two pictures what was it what was the picture of um it was a
44:08silhouette so in the silhouette like it was so dark like if i'm being honest it wasn't like
44:14it wasn't super sexual to me like just because of how dark the picture was what prompted the pic
44:22oh yeah this is what i was gonna say so and i think what even prop i think what even prompted
44:26the picture was that we were talking about like the gym working out uh being in good shape like things
44:33the conversation had turned away from you and taylor's relationship yeah yeah i guess yeah it
44:37turned to like that just at that night time just towards the night there who gives a fuck what time
44:42it is it's night time it was night and then i sent a picture of my shirt off dumb as shit i agree it
44:52was stupid i'm not saying it's not yes it was that like flirty though her picture to you and
44:58hell yeah that's where yeah already i was like okay this is like uh yeah like it but you and taylor
45:03weren't together no no she broke up with me i'm about to go fucking out there and literally annihilate
45:09him and then out of nowhere she like freaked out like and was like delete everything delete everything
45:16i think it made me have to kind of be like oh damn like this is like a big big deal
45:25keep going well go ahead with your eyes lies what part where am i i want to sit by him you can go
45:30can i i don't want to sit by him can you give me that water you look pretty keep going all right
45:36i will let me drink welcome ladies thank you so taylor what is not tracking for you um i mean i think
45:43you can kind of gauge when you're stuttering you're like well wait wait give me a second that's when
45:46you're having to keep up with lies you need the extent of what she was so don't go back on that now
45:51does that make sense yeah i see what you're saying that's my point if dakota would just be like
45:55i messed up i was so dumb of me he would just look so much better i think you know that this
46:02was fucked up because you confided in jordan about it a hundred percent okay so you understand why
46:08taylor is yes enraged right right okay yeah so what are you trying to defend defend i think it comes
46:17off as you kind of defending as if it's not i think can invalidate how it feels well i think i do that
46:23just given the fact that i think you're never just sorry yeah like if you didn't have any new
46:27information you must be here to fully apologize or something well i think the context of what i just
46:36said is new like i watched the episode and i feel like there was multiple things that were skewed in
46:41there what i think that's fair like it was exactly what i thought i felt like it made it seem like i
46:49cheated on you like you did that is cheating to me okay but yet you can do it right when you're broke
46:54up when you broke up with me you can go fuck someone else and then come fuck me right okay so
46:58a year later oh we were broke up we were broke up though right oh my god and your friends will tell
47:03you the same thing they'll say you don't owe him that did i cheat does anyone consider that cheating
47:07uh so you're broken up and me moving right so how is that cheating what i did if i was i don't feel
47:11like this is about cheating it's who it is it's who is with leila i know i'm saying then let me just
47:20talk do you see how the whole thing changed like when you come out and you're just firing shots at
47:24me like i i wanted to just talk this is where i wanted to this was my whole point go i've apologized
47:29to you like a hundred times you've never meant it though yes i have i've wrote you letters saying
47:32sorry a hundred times i know everything you said hey i weeded out a bad friend this is me just
47:37trying wait what he said i hey i weeded out a bad friend in your family oh my gosh this is this is
47:42what i'm talking about like this is where this is why i can't do this are you still on speaking
47:47terms with this person no my entire family dishonored her no yeah she was my friend too like
47:53that's what like she would see me cry and struggle and all these things with dakota and
47:56be helping me when i think she was a snake in the fucking grass it's disgusting
48:00do you feel like you owe her parents an apology a hundred percent and i reached out to your mom
48:06and asked her well he was making threats to taylor is so wild this is because i come out with the
48:11truth didn't you just sex me last night you should tell your new boyfriend that we're gonna move
48:15the one that you like a lot didn't you just say that today oh you should probably tell him how you
48:18were talking to me last night oh look at that we have look at you denying it i don't have a boyfriend
48:22i'm single i'm single just take a couple of breaths this is getting a little crazy
48:27you should have him chokes he's lying we're gonna move out of this i want to go back to leanne and
48:30jeremy i mean this is the worst time for me to do i was actually going to do it and it was going
48:35to be very genuine but now it's like i'm so heated yeah this is not giving happy holidays
48:39okay let's welcome in leanne and jeremy
48:42i need a dunking refresher obviously berry sangria yes there you go thank you
48:56welcome back to the secret lives of mormon wives season three reunion we've had more drama than
49:07a high school christmas pageant we have mom talk and dad talk here with us along with leanne and
49:13jeremy and demi and brett to me i know you had a rough time out there and i really appreciate you
49:19coming back yeah thank you dakota has something he'd like to say to taylor's parents but first
49:25brett has something he'd like to get off his chest um i'd like to apologize to miranda um in my
49:30heated phone conversation with me said something that i don't mean even remotely we had a brief
49:37conversation with miranda and she just basically was insinuating that i'm a liar and you said she
49:43shoved you and i'm like well i don't know what would you call it i don't know what to call it he
49:46came up and pushed my head
49:47what i said was unacceptable and it was really representative of how i was feeling about this
49:59situation as a whole just feeling like the whole thing was just so kind of out of bounds and so
50:04trashy the way that i felt like she was being treated and you were the last person that she
50:09interacted with so unfortunately you were you were on the receiving end of kind of the pinnacle
50:14my frustration and you didn't deserve that and i'm really sorry it was tensions were really high
50:20at that time i do wish that you know this wasn't just happening on camera i wish maybe it was
50:25something that was said earlier and i'm not saying that i don't that it's not an authentic apology i
50:30just i do think that the timing of it is a little bit unfortunate i i just so you know i felt sick to
50:35my stomach just hearing myself i didn't even remember saying that i was like seeing red in the
50:41moment and i really my apology really is sincere i i really i'm sorry i appreciate it thank you
50:47yay one apology accepted dakota i know there's something you'd like to say to leanne so just
50:53go ahead uh obviously i i know that i've fucked up i just think like i think i knew i was gonna lose
51:03you guys and that i don't know i think i kind of numbed out maybe a little bit
51:11and i think it was just hard to me and taylor obviously we're just not in a good place and that
51:18i think it was just like even harder but i am truly sorry because i know that that caused a lot
51:26pain obviously for taylor but for you guys as well and your family and i don't think i realized
51:32the magnitude maybe of even what i did i don't expect you guys to forgive me i don't expect anything
51:38like that but i do just want you to know like i know i messed up i i know that i caused a lot of pain
51:44for all of you guys and that's all i can do right now is i'm sorry
51:51leanne jeremy i just don't understand like why
51:57why yeah you do that behind your girlfriend that's pregnant with your baby that's sickening
52:08i think that bugs me dakota is you're just like one of those people that you just can't help but
52:15to love but then you get really get to know you you're not that person you're just a different
52:20person like behind closed doors you have your virtue your it's like been taken away you're so
52:26dishonest you're so like i just don't know how you could keep lying and you know what the thing that
52:31hurts the most is that she's my kid and you hurt my grandbaby like you hurt ever she's the
52:38one that's gonna pay for all your guys's crappy decisions that you both have made
52:44i can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth because it's all bullshit dude
52:50you have proven yourself time and time again that nothing that comes out of your mouth is just spewing
52:57bullshit so i can't accept any sorry from you or nothing i mean our last reunion he was sitting here
53:05crying and our host was asking do you think you can be an honest person he's crying yes i've said
53:12everything i've said it all like i can do this yes i love taylor but he's still lying about right i
53:17didn't know i learned after the reunion i'll do anything to uh just like have that opportunity
53:24to be with her and my family and um
53:28this is so hard because that's like i just went about everything the worst way taylor dakota where
53:40do you guys think you go from here as co-parents i would obviously love to get to a spot of like
53:46being cordial for the sake of our son because he ultimately my mom is saying he's the one who
53:50is this gonna suffer from all of this this is a law on me that i chose him to be his dad
53:56wait are you don't think i'm a good dad taylor are you gonna let me finish so i feel when i look at
54:02ever i'm like this is my fault i did this i chose to do this i'm so sorry that i chose to have a child
54:09with this person however they feel they're justified the one thing i want to just stand on
54:13is i've seen him be a dad and like i think dakota's a great dad i will never ever have anyone tell me i'm
54:19not okay because i know that with every single fiber in my heart okay i i just like you know
54:24it taylor out of anybody you know how much i care about ever did you listen i said it's on me i feel
54:29guilty it's how you're wording things about it i mean every word i think it's not about this you know
54:34we were giving you the opportunity to apologize yeah to them you you did they don't accept that
54:42apology that's fine um i we can't just like keep yeah keep at it keep at it like we can't do that
54:50that's it i'm done fucking stupid fucking my god folks we're not done yet folks we're not done yet
54:57oh shit i told them we're not done they want that fuck that i'm good i'm just gonna say i just feel
55:06for dakota honestly did i care for him absolutely is this painful duh i loved him i wanted to be with
55:13him i had a child with him so yes it's fucking painful hurts to co-parent to this very day i do
55:18it every day and it's the worst things i've ever done
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