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00:00Yeah, I heard it was messy.
00:02Wait, but why wouldn't she come?
00:04Dakota told me yesterday, she was like, I'm not coming tomorrow.
00:08If Dakota's coming.
00:10Is Dakota coming?
00:11We'll see.
00:14You guys, I lost my wedding ring.
00:16Is that like a sign?
00:17I have this one, but the one that Sydney made and all my bands, gone.
00:22Brett can sit next to me if no one wants to sit next to me.
00:25So you guys have big issue with Brett, is that what I need to understand here?
00:28I don't care to talk to him.
00:30I don't care to interact with him.
00:31Apparently, Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist.
00:34I think Demi and Brett specifically, they have more skeletons in their closet.
00:38And so if they can flip that narrative and talk badly about Jen, it covers them up.
00:43And it's so exhausting and so annoying.
00:48Welcome.
00:49What's going on?
00:50Are you okay?
00:52Yeah, great.
00:53Come on out with it.
00:54I mean, we will.
00:55We have all day for that.
00:56Yeah.
00:58Maybe use this as like an opportunity to get everything off of your chest.
01:06Maybe the fucker's not here.
01:08He's going to watch it, obviously.
01:09My stupid brain won't shut up.
01:11Like, I'm like getting ready.
01:11I'm like already heated.
01:13And I'm like, shut up.
01:14Dear Heavenly Father, we want to thank Thee for the opportunity we have to come together today.
01:28We pray that we can have the strength to stand by our own principles and our own values, as well as listen to those who may have differing opinions.
01:35And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
01:37Amen.
01:37Amen.
01:38All right, you guys.
01:39Seeker Live, season three of Reunion.
01:44Gorgeous, gorgeous girls.
01:47Hi, Scott.
01:47Welcome to you.
01:48You look beautiful.
01:50You do, too.
01:51Is this your first hosting?
01:53No, I did Villa.
01:54So this is my second one.
01:55Oh, Reunion you hosted?
01:56Yeah.
01:57Okay, I didn't watch it for obvious reasons, but it wasn't because of you.
02:01Yeah, no, it's okay.
02:07I would love to hear your truth, Brett.
02:09Like, just tell us where you're coming from.
02:12The biggest problem I think I have with everybody is the knee-jerk reaction to Demi saying that she was a victim was to not believe her.
02:21The only reason I ever brought up you having sex with Marciano was because he told me that that's what happened.
02:26It didn't happen.
02:27He did tell us you guys kissed.
02:29So I'm hearing that.
02:30Yeah.
02:31False.
02:31There was not a kiss in the mouth.
02:33There was two ass grabs.
02:35If he actually assaulted you, why did you continue to talk to him?
02:39Just the classic case of victim blaming.
02:42Can we agree that she was, like, flirting and having long conversations and, like, building a relationship with a guy like she just met?
02:48She wasn't building a relationship with him.
02:50Not flirty at all.
02:51You would feel comfortable sending to another woman that you're swallowing cum?
02:56I'm not wired like you, bud.
02:57You should rewire yourself.
02:59Oh, yeah.
02:59That's disturbing.
03:00Okay.
03:01All right, little guy.
03:02It's the Lulu land, dude.
03:04What'd you say?
03:05You guys live in a different universe.
03:07I had no idea that pathological lying was contagious, but I guess it is.
03:13I don't even know why you're here.
03:14Just walk away.
03:15Everyone's being nice to you.
03:17People just talk shit behind your back because you're a shitty person.
03:20Hey, the feeling's neutral, dipshit, just so you know.
03:22Good.
03:22And it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice.
03:25Oh, nice, bro.
03:26You're a big guy.
03:27I think that's a little steep, and I don't think anything good is going to come from talking like that.
03:31Let's just stop provoking each other just for a minute.
03:34Nice to finally meet you in person.
03:36I know.
03:36I've heard a lot, and people always haven't seen your show, but they're like, you remind me of Stasi.
03:43Obviously, I need to go watch it because I'm like, I want to see.
03:45And now I don't want you to see it because I just don't want you to judge me in my 20s.
03:49It's not who you are now, I'm sure.
03:51Oh, is it like a long time ago?
03:52Yeah, I was like 22 when I started it.
03:55I'm 37 now.
03:56I am your elder.
03:57The crazy thing to me, Zach, about you and Jen.
03:59Let's just watch this.
04:01I'm going to keep talking.
04:02I don't care to talk to you.
04:03I don't care to talk to you to me.
04:04I don't care to talk about any of that stuff.
04:06That's your story.
04:07The feeling's mutual, bud.
04:08So that's perfect.
04:09And I'm going to talk to you.
04:11I'm here.
04:12So we're going to talk.
04:14Welcome to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the season three reunion.
04:18I'm your host, Stasi Schroeder.
04:20And the holidays must have come early this year because we've got some gifts in store for you.
04:25We've decked the halls, lined the trees, and pulled out all the red carpets for our very merry Mormon wives
04:31to look back at a very memorable season.
04:33Ladies, I am dazzled.
04:36I'm delighted to be a part of this.
04:38Not just because I am a huge fan, but because, like, I have been exactly in your shoes.
04:44I've dated the bad boy, argued allegations, had the fallouts, and managed the fame.
04:49Last time this cast was on this stage, y'all had a medic in the back and a pregnancy suite in the dressing room.
04:57Since then, we've had some very exciting updates.
05:00Take a look.
05:01It's like 3.45 in the morning, and my water just broke.
05:06I'm nervous.
05:07I'm so, so, so close.
05:18I look crazy.
05:19Mikaela did you have underwear on when you were giving birth in a shower no honestly I was so
05:32blacked out at that point like I was in another planet um but no it was a little monitoring strap
05:37oh Macy and Mikaela there's a conspiracy theory that you both named your daughters Charlotte
05:44is this true we actually didn't we didn't it's a joke it's a conspiracy no yeah dress the fuck up
05:51I always liked the name Lottie it was like my one that I had throughout that I was like okay I'm
05:55sticking to this yeah and I knew that Macy had Charlie on her list I didn't even know what name
06:00she was naming her baby until like two days after birth wait so you guys neither of your child's
06:05name is Charlotte no no I was God Jen you shared so much about like your struggles while you were
06:15pregnant I think it's just like prenatal like yeah depression I think I first started feeling
06:24depressed when I realized what needed to change in my life and in my marriage but it wasn't until
06:31after I found out I was pregnant that I truly hit rock bottom I don't even know what happened
06:37yesterday oh Jen oh my god how are you feeling now postpartum yeah um sorry oh no oh my gosh
06:51sorry it's just crazy to see how far I've come it's just me sorry I'm okay oh my gosh little
07:00penny with so much hair it's just crazy to see um her now I just love her so much and she's like
07:10literally everything to me I remember when I found out I was pregnant with her I was genuinely
07:15disappointed because I felt like I wasn't ready but everything happens for a reason and she is like
07:21the reason why I'm healed to this day sorry I'm sure people have come reached out to you about oh my
07:29gosh thank you for being so open about what you went through because you are helping people
07:32yes right now oh yeah prenatal depression and postpartum is not talked about enough re-watching
07:38that just made me realize like oh my gosh like I can't believe I'm here and I'm in a better place
07:42and I feel like I'm genuinely happier and it's because of her so I love that our babies always save us
07:49they really do yeah that was not mature how we did it let's just talk okay I genuinely want to know
07:54let's start over seriously where I am hurt and have feelings towards you and to me is you know
08:00the hell that I was going through I came to you like I looked up to you as like this older you know
08:04person I could get advice from and I felt like we talked and you gave me a lot of good advice
08:08I'm sorry to hear that I genuinely am and I didn't know the extent to which Jen was hurting
08:16come here was that thought you're going to beat my ass I'm not going to do that Demi how are you
08:21I'm good how are you you're back in mom talk I'm back no I was shocked Whitney came back because
08:27dancing with the stars she made it very clear but I didn't know why you came back I just felt like
08:34there was unfinished business yeah and I felt like there was a pattern of self-sabotage and watching
08:39myself back I'm like oh there's my shadow there's like the sides of me that need to be healed
08:44and for me I'm like no I deserve to be here and I have you know a story to tell so yeah I'm excited
08:49I'm excited to be back well good to have you here thank you from breakups to makeups and a few
08:55massive shake-ups mom talk and co have kept things moving and kept us guessing so tonight we are
09:01leaving no stone unturned no tea unspilled and no duncan refresher unstirred we will be joined by a slew
09:09of surprise guests popping in as our fabulous duncan sip and tellers at our duncan bev bar
09:15let's get to the chase oh no oh no
09:19ladies mom talk how we doing
09:25apparently I was unanimously requested by everyone here to be the bartender
09:31that's a full-blown line maybe taylor we got some drinks for everyone here snacks just stay behind
09:39the bar I don't need to get touched again at least you used touched instead of shot taylor
09:43chase thank you you go oh it's really good we've got some questions for you chase
09:50is it weird as to be sitting like behind taylor I'm normally next door oh oh he'd rather be on
09:57top or bottom though let's talk about your date um
10:01should we kiss for our friend's sake
10:06taylor did you know it was a date no not really I think it was like he wanted to just apologize
10:16I don't know why it's such a big deal I'm not married to Miranda anymore okay Miranda did you know
10:21about this date from what I heard it was a coffee meetup to put water into the bridge that's what I
10:29heard that's not a date it just felt like there were a few details left out and that's really where
10:36my confusion came from right okay I mean I would be annoyed too so yeah chase taylor where do you guys
10:44think you go from here
10:45we'll see I don't know
10:50okay all right so it looks like we're all gonna have to watch this on season four and we have so
10:59much to get through thanks chase for the sip and telling all right
11:04you know we love a little game around here so tonight whether you're sipping on hot cocoa
11:11a cola or a cosmo we've got a buzzword for you every time you hear the word accountability
11:18we invite all of you at home to take a sip we're gonna get alcohol poisoning you still can't sit here
11:24and just take accountability say you're right I'm here for this I know that's your favorite word
11:28oh god the accountability it's like the favorite word
11:33jesse took accountability and I take full accountability but again this is to take
11:37accountability you're the lack of accountability you're just taking accountability we don't hear
11:41any accountability I get it should we look up the definition because I think a lot of people in
11:45this group don't even know what it means accountability is the state of being held
11:50responsible for something or someone take accountability accountability accountability
11:55I'm not even gonna say the word accountability holy shit we use that word way too much but
11:59take accountability
12:01I love the accountability
12:03that scene alone had like 12
12:05that's the only one not in that montage I don't buy into it
12:09she said I'm probably not in that montage
12:12no that was Jordan wow jesse gold star
12:14Whitney at one point this past season you called the other women your co-workers
12:19like what inspired this change of heart because it looked like overnight you were like I want
12:25everyone to be friends again honestly I feel like it was more so during press week I think like it
12:30was just to me and I and then it was everyone else these were huge milestones that we were all
12:35accomplishing together so it's like it's kind of sad that like we can't even be work friends
12:40Macy I want to ask you why she went to you to heal mom talk at first when she approached me I was
12:46like this is a bad idea and then I was like okay well we can try it and I can't make any promises
12:51that people aren't gonna break out in a fight but I think it was cool because it took
12:54every single one of us had to be vulnerable and open up or else it wouldn't have gone the way
12:58that it did went better than I thought it did it went better than I thought it would yeah I feel
13:02like I'm good with every single one of you I'd consider every single one of you one of my friends
13:06yeah well the guys have been patiently waiting backstage but I think it's time
13:12we bring them out to join the fun dad talk come on out
13:16see you out there I'm nervous about going
13:21here to join in on the fun are Jace Jordan Connor Zach and Jacob I was just in London filming the next
13:33season of Vanderpump Villa and some of you guys were there how was the villa guys
13:37Zach why did you turn bright red I just saw some things oh what oh would you see
13:45those aren't my secrets to share I will say he was a little testy when he came home from London
13:50so I was like you've been hanging out with Jordan too much it's a little spicy it's not usually spicy
13:55what happened in England you're gonna have to wait and tune in just wait
13:59all right more of that on season four of secret lives of Mormon wives now if you need a drink at home
14:07grab a chaser and for anyone here just grab chase let's see who else is behind the bar
14:12Mason why is your shirt on
14:24so you guys are official official official how are you
14:30Mason is Chase's brother and he's freaking hot
14:36I used to see Chase and I see you do you think it's weird to be honest
14:40I don't know I guess it's not weird
14:43I saw Chase a year ago now I know that Mason was interested in me first before Chase was so I just
14:49accidentally tried out the wrong brother first and now we're doing redo
14:53also Layla so I hear Mason has met your kids yes yes do they love him did he pass the test
15:04I fear they're obsessed with him the other day when we were on that hike yeah because he looks
15:09like Tarzan have they seen that movie I always every single time they're eating they're like I'm
15:12gonna eat all my food so I get big bus big muscles like Mason I'm like oh okay so smart I have to
15:19ask who's a better kisser definitely Mason I was gonna ask his bigger I want to shift gears
15:28from Mason and Layla and talk about another relationship Michaela and Jace you guys were
15:34very vulnerable about your struggles this season I feel like I've made a lot of strides with my past
15:41sexual abuse but as far as the intimacy issues I feel like it's been one area that I haven't been
15:47able to progress at all intimacy for me is really important it's like a deal breaker I think it's
15:54someone else's fault that took things and stole things from you and if I'm frustrated I'm frustrating
15:58at those people I'm not frustrated with you Michaela how does it feel hearing Jace say not having intimacy
16:06is an issue for him sorry I'm just gonna take a second
16:10sorry I'm just gonna take a second
16:23sorry it's still really fresh everything that I'm working through I know it's a really big need
16:38of his and I think he's been very patient with me Michaela's been amazing I think that she's handling
16:46it better than I could have in her situation have things improved at all since the finale since that
16:53time I feel like I haven't had my body or felt in my body for a long time because of my health issues
16:59also she had a baby she carried that baby to term and push that baby out and then after having the
17:06baby it's like my health stuff all came back 180 overnight and then for him it's still hard because
17:10we're still having the intimacy issues and I'm like I don't know how to overcome it I think that's what's
17:14hard yeah Jesse you look like you're getting emotional yeah um I actually loved watching
17:27Michaela's story because I knew that it happened to her but seeing it play out and like seeing her
17:32thoughts and feelings behind it um I can relate I I've been doing a lot of therapy because of mine
17:37and Jordan's situation and I actually uncovered the memory that I was raped when I was 19
17:41and um it it really it like started a lot of my um issues um about like going emotionally numb and
17:55pushing people away and feeling not good enough and after uncovering that um me and Jordan already
18:02had our struggles but it made it worse like I I know exactly I like I don't want him to touch me
18:09and it's not his fault but like it's so crazy how your body reacts it's not just your emotions you
18:15know um so yeah that's just been another layer of healing for me but watching her story like it just
18:21really hit home for me and I I understand fully how that can feel Connor what's going through your head
18:28right now I'm so sorry Jesse I feel like I can't relate in the same way I struggled with intimacy
18:43in polarizing ways and I don't want to speak for Michaela or Jesse or anyone else but it can be
18:50challenging to rewire your brain at least for me the two polarizing parts are like please don't touch me
18:56I don't have control here and it scares me to I want to have like hypersexuality like I want to
19:02have as much sex as possible to put distance between me and that event I just need to get that
19:07out of my system so I don't know if I can necessarily relate with your relationships
19:13but I do know that the patience that you are giving your spouses is healing and it is breeding
19:21intimacy between the both of you I feel like that's one good thing that has come from the fame I think
19:26it has pushed a lot of us out of our comfort zone I don't know when I would have talked about it for
19:30me I would probably just push it away till I was 40 or 50 so I think this is a great thing like all
19:35the conversations that we've had I think are amazing and I think they're helping so many people that are
19:39watching so I think that's my that's my pro to me are you okay
19:44what is this triggering for you I think just like deep deep wounds and things for me that I haven't
19:56fully uncovered and things I know I've been through that I've blocked out as well and then just listening
20:05to you guys talk about it is like it's so sad that we're sitting here in a room and like how many people
20:11in this room have experienced something like this to a degree and that with everything that I went
20:16through the past year not to compare because what I went through was not even close to what
20:23most everyone has gone through but it triggered a lot of really horrible things that have happened in my
20:31life so to not be believed and be questioned and like be called a liar um yeah that it was just
20:43horrible so I'm touched to like hear the way you guys are talking about it and Connor when you talk
20:48about it it's like my little younger self is like getting the hug that I needed you guys should be so proud
20:56of yourselves thank you for being so open all of you I feel like you're gonna help so many people
21:02by talking about it we have a former member of dad talk waiting to join us and now feels like a good
21:08time let's bring out Brett he's joined us here now how are you doing doing well happy to be here good
21:16so for the past two seasons fans have been wondering what really happened with Marciano and
21:22mom talk we've read receipts reviewed recaps and for some reason still haven't wrapped this up take
21:29a look so I met with Marciano and he told me that you guys have been having an affair the past couple
21:36months he told me that you guys had sex oh my fucking hell I can't we did not have sex there's
21:44dark parts of me that just sometimes want to throw up my hands and just say I don't want to do this
21:49anymore are you still the person that I want to be with it ultimately led to us deciding to separate
21:55did Demi tell you to say that you slept with Jesse yeah did you and Demi kiss in Italy oh god you guys
22:02if I go admitting to that I just don't want war I know Marciano was hurt by me ending things
22:08abruptly so it does make sense that he would join forces with Demi because he wanted revenge
22:14oh what who's that Marciano he said uninvited to the function because a 30 year old Mormon wife
22:21scared to tell her husband the truth and then Demi commented she goes grown men acting like a child
22:27because they couldn't bag a married woman and then she commented another night also she got uninvited
22:31because he's a sexual predator he's not a sexual he's not he's not a predator I think the biggest
22:36thing for me that's triggering right now is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly
22:41want to understand she knows how to bulldoze you in conversation she has a way of making people
22:46believe her never once did I feel it for him we've never kissed in our life I've never even told him
22:53he was cute period the end my gut is telling me everything is calculated I definitely think she's
22:59a threat to mom talks foundation the band is officially back together we still have a lot to work
23:03on but I do feel a little more hopeful because I am seeing patterns and behaviors that I needed to
23:08see before I personally feel like the things that I've needed to face I've faced so are you ready
23:14to officially move back in I'm over the moon about having a chance to take another stab at this
23:20so Jesse you had an emotional affair with Marciano what did he provide for you emotionally
23:30I always say like it honestly could have been anyone at home I just was feeling not seen not
23:37appreciated not loved I couldn't do anything right so just to have someone who like thought I was cool
23:42or funny or just like didn't see those negative things like it was just someone getting me attention
23:47in a positive way and not putting me down all the time do you regret though cheating yeah I wish I
23:52would have just left Jordan at that time instead of cheating I truly was like if I do something like
23:58this like that will get me out it was almost like well he hasn't hit me he hasn't done anything
24:03like that so like it was really hard to like justify leaving but emotional abuse and that
24:08toxicity can drain you and it did and it made me a person I'm not proud of Macy I know you had a lot
24:13of opinions about this yeah no it's hard I've obviously someone who's been through an abusive
24:19relationship and I know theirs isn't the same as mine but I think for me I like that Jordan was
24:23finally owning things but I was also like as long as you we had the action behind it because words are
24:28just words unless there's action put behind it um but yeah no I mean it's not something you want
24:32to hear about your friend that's why I'm always really protective Taylor but at the end of the
24:35day I know they have to make their own choices so I try to stay in one relationship at a time and do
24:39do what I can so it's like I'm not trying to jump too deep into Jesse now I will say I do remember him
24:45taking his part of being like I did mess up I did do this to her and I did do that and there was no
24:50buts after and so I appreciated that part of it but behind closed doors when you go home with him I
24:55don't know how that was so we all don't know that part so only they can speak on that one well Jesse
25:00do you feel like Jordan has put action behind it yeah we've been in therapy for a while and I have
25:05seen a lot of changes I will say like I wouldn't still be here if that wasn't happening unfortunately
25:10healing isn't overnight so we've had setbacks and there are still things I worry about but overall I
25:15do feel like he's taken what I've said and applied a lot of it I just need time to see if it's going to
25:21feel genuine you know Jordan how do you feel about that I've had to make changes and I've had to look
25:27at myself in the mirror and like think about like the kind of person that I want to be not for Jesse
25:32but for myself like I am I'm proud of myself for the changes that I've made and I really hope that
25:38those changes are enough to have a chance at saving my family well there was even more drama behind the
25:45scenes the night Layla broke the news of Jesse's affair take a look at this extended cut of one of the
25:50phone calls between Jesse and Marciano
25:52so I was told that you said we had sex you know that that's not true so I'm just confused why it
26:06was said that way Jesse I'm not gonna get into a disagreement with you okay do you think we had
26:10we kissed twice that was it okay no Marciano you know that like I'm just you know that I
26:27I'm willing to be so open and honest that I had feelings for you like I was struggling in my
26:33marriage but I want it to be the truth it's everything a hundred percent that you loved me
26:39yes one thousand percent I'm gonna have to like everything's coming out so that's why I just really
26:44want it to be the truth this is the thing is that we're gonna have this shit come out be a fucking
26:48honest this is so much bigger than you think to me really fucked me I don't buy it into it I really
26:53can't she fucking used me oh my god I gotta go Jordan how do you feel watching that well um a little bit
27:04um triggered okay yeah I uh was specifically told by Jesse that she never had said that she was
27:18gonna leave me for that piece of shit I didn't say I was gonna leave you for him I told Marciano
27:23that's what I most likely I'm gonna leave my husband because I'm unhappy right I never said
27:26it was for him and I've told you that footage is what that said he didn't say for me and I never
27:34said for him I may have put that in my own head then yeah okay well then yeah Jesse the results
27:40of the lie detector test were inconclusive at parts yeah specifically the parts about contact with
27:47Marciano besides two kisses we got the results results are in have you ever had sexual intercourse
27:53with Marciano it says no true yeah you're good on that one number two besides those two kisses have
27:59you ever had any sexual physical contact Marciano no inconclusive what can you say
28:09I know that looks so bad I was like shit so in the moment when she asked that question I was like okay
28:14nothing else happened besides those two kisses honestly but in my head I was like hey well I did
28:18touch his arm like he did grab me here like there were things like that but I'm like I don't want to
28:22say yes so I said no and then it came back that way so I understand why because in my head I was having
28:27that internal battle at this point though like I know my truth it did say we didn't have sex and
28:32I'm glad that that was cleared up and genuinely nothing else happened and at this point I would
28:36also say it because also yeah what do you have to lose at this point like in half the time I've
28:41wanted to leave Jordan it would give me a reason genuinely and I've told him that can I ask you guys
28:46just everybody you watch Marciano talk like that the way that he talks how do you give anything that
28:53he says any credibility whatsoever I think that's why it's so messy is because you can't well we know
28:58we're just using facts that we've seen too yeah it's not what Marciano is off his phone it's not
29:03what Marciano is saying we clearly know he speaks in riddles when you guys were at the villa in
29:08England you guys seemed okay with Marciano no not I wasn't these yeah I will be honest I never
29:16chummed it up with them yeah not not me he did seem like he was a nice guy there he was charismatic
29:21he stayed out of the drama like I felt like he was respectful to Jordan so it was confusing okay
29:26Demi what do you say about continuing on a friendship and relationship with him after
29:32what you're accusing him of yeah I mean we have to separate the two because
29:38you can be sexually assaulted and then also continue a relationship so one doesn't have to take away from
29:44the other and why I did that I think honestly just boils down to a trauma response and having a lack
29:52of boundaries and feeling like I needed to make excuses for what happened and also to keep what
29:58happened quiet because I didn't want it to come out and like the best way to describe it is the hell
30:03that I've been through for the past year and the women who didn't understand like well why didn't you
30:08want that to come out I don't understand how that doesn't affect you it's weird though and I'm again
30:12I'm not trying to call you a liar to this day he will double down on a few things and one of those
30:17things is when we were Demi and I were leaving the villa we kissed on the lips no I did not because it
30:22was off camera Jen when you say things like it was off camera why are you saying that as though you
30:27know to me I've seen it now things did happen between Demi and Marciano whether she wants to admit
30:33it or not I mean she was literally right next to him like grabbing his hands like googly eyes like
30:39talking laughing like it for sure did not seem like a married woman was talking to another single
30:47man with boundaries did you see anything happen off camera I hate to say the word but like again I
30:54just haven't seen any accountability did you see anything no I happen no I didn't I did it why did
31:00you say you did why are you fucking saying a word why did you threaten because of the shit I've gone
31:06through for the past year Jen which you don't fucking understand because you've never been
31:10sexually assaulted yes I actually have she has she has and I haven't talked about it okay
31:14then why then have some fucking respect because I was too it goes well please I'm not talking to you
31:21you're talking to my wife yeah I'm talking to your wife I'm talking to your wife then talk
31:25respectfully I will talk to her how I feel like she deserves to be talked to I've done nothing to
31:30you went you sat in the thing we're here for you we know what happened we're over on your side
31:40five seconds later you turn to Michaela and go if she comes from next season I'm exposing this
31:44what the fuck is wrong with you what the actual fuck is wrong with your brain
31:49what the fuck is wrong with you what the actual fuck is wrong with your brain how do you feel about
31:58your wife texting the word come to another man how do you feel about that Jen listen no just listen
32:05I'll answer your question answer my question I'm asking I started asking how do you how do you feel
32:08about that the word come so just with respect is that appropriate with respect just listen okay but
32:12it's hard to be respectful when it's not being reciprocated okay answer your question and that's
32:16what happens with us it's got to go both ways I understand if you want to be heard out you got to
32:20hear other people here's the problem because there's 20 different things that we could say
32:23you're the one telling people to shut their fucking mouth right Zach come on but don't don't I'm not
32:27going to be disrespectful to Jen don't be just disrespectful to me please please not being
32:32the question I have for you is she's telling me to shut my fucking mouth can you listen are you
32:40trying to avoid my question I don't understand why you keep interrupting please Jen I am asking you
32:46if you didn't see the things that you said you saw why did you say you did why did you say you saw
32:52her sitting on his lap why did you say you saw her kiss him on the lips hold on and before you
32:57answer just know there's there's footage like the whole thing was filmed we just need to stop this
33:00is clearly not the place so I feel like why don't we talk about Demi and Jesse's relationship their
33:07friendship you guys were best friends thick as thieves always together and now it's like how would
33:14you describe your friendship today I watched it fall apart yeah I would say that we've made strides and
33:20we've talked about things but I have walls up because I don't fully trust and I think she did
33:24multiple things to me back to back to back to back so I don't quite understand certain things and I
33:30think because of that I still have a huge guard up to me how do you feel about her your friendship yeah
33:33it's almost as though we haven't had conversations like when I hear her say that and it's like I don't
33:37understand to me I'm confused because we've talked this through so many times my intention from start to
33:45finish was so that this never fucking came to light and in placating and being nice to Marciano he was
33:52gonna go on a podcast and I was like shit I need to control how this plays out why were you so involved
33:59in my because I was trying to keep him at bay I understand because I did it but I was trying to
34:05hide something I did wrong so why did you feel like you had to placate because I didn't want to go through
34:08what I've been going through the past year and have to talk about this at all I feel like this is an
34:13impossible situation because right before this we just saw you know everyone's talking about sexual
34:17assault and you clearly see Demi crying and like that's a super sensitive topic I think the reason
34:23we want to have these conversations is because when we say it doesn't add up we're not trying to say
34:26you're a liar discredit you but like in our minds from what we know it doesn't Macy how uncomfortable
34:32would it be if you got and I'm sorry I'm not trying to be insensitive but you got raped by your abuser
34:37or you got slapped or whatever and then afterwards you're like I love you and then later they're like
34:42Macy it's really weird that you said I love you
34:44that is so different
34:45no no no yeah I don't like when you do that
34:48being in a relationship with someone is so different than someone you knew for two days I'm
34:52sorry the problem is that you got becoming the the judge jury and executioner as to how she reacted
34:57well she put me in a really bad position so I have every right to question her too I'm sorry
35:01this is a tit for tat for you yeah it has to be this is bullshit and I'm about to walk off
35:05then go how do we get to the bottom of this if people
35:08why are you I don't think we're why are you acting this way towards me you would be
35:12because I'm still confused I want answers it's all these things where we're like this doesn't add up
35:17I just don't appreciate the lies the lies piss me off so bad because it's affected my life
35:22for the past year in a very negative way and Jen's off living her merry life on dancing with the stars
35:27raking in dollar bills and I'm a lying villain you don't think bullying me affected me sweetie how did
35:33I bully you how did you bully me you treated me like shit you were lying about me and then you
35:39expected me to have this wave of empathy for you because you were having a hard time
35:44I think that this is this is going to have to be a larger conversation I don't think this is going
35:51to be wrapped up today I think too much but do you see what we just have what we just we want to
35:56talk about I truly hope you all can find a way to move forward with all of this but we need to
36:04move on with the reunion we have another guest coming I am kindly requesting all of your cooperation
36:11our next guest only agreed to participate if the ladies of mom talk exited the stage while their
36:17interview takes place out of respect for that request I am asking Taylor Macy Michaela Jen Jesse
36:26Leila Miranda Demi and Whitney to follow our stage manager back to their dressing rooms where
36:33they can continue watching the reunion
36:35Demi's example where she if there weren't cameras they would have been like oh did I physically assault
36:46you would you tell people that that I was like that I put my hands on you which is an assault like I
36:52for a while was like am I gonna get strung out as like someone who hits girls yeah all because of
36:58you know she was at an emotional high and I think I'd love to chat with her about that because I've
37:03never been able to our experiences are valid and it's like muddied because of this stupid fucking
37:08asshole that's lied and sorry but Jen who's lied and put all these things in your head that never
37:14happened okay she's not telling why she's telling her experience and she saw you be flirting the
37:19villain so did all of us I will never put myself in a situation like that again and that sucks
37:23especially when you've been in that situation and it like brings up old stuff like then you start
37:29really blaming yourself for like what they do it's more painful to not be believed than to say or
37:35have to go over it over and over and over and feel the pain of past things than to just say fuck yeah
37:42we kissed fuck yeah this happened I'd rather something fucking happened at this point it's
37:47excruciating and it's ruining my reputation and we hear you and we hear you are not
37:52sorry
37:55I want to go home
38:10I want to go home
38:12don't feel like you have to go out there no I feel like I have to for me okay for you then
38:22let's fucking do it let's do it I want you to really feel like you're up to it every part of
38:28me wants to run and I'm like no you're gonna stay like you deserve to be here and like you're not
38:34gonna let them win did you leave leave she might have I heard this wailing and I was like what was
38:39that noise and she's outside talking to somebody I saw Brett talking yeah so I don't know if she
38:43was leaving or not okay I know that was a lot but we do have a special guest waiting to come out
38:50is everyone ready
38:52oh my gosh did he so he's been watching this whole thing welcome back to the secret lives of mormon
39:06wives season three reunion against all odds and expectations we have Dakota here with me and the
39:14rest of dad talk tensions between mom talk and dad talk took a toll on many of our cast members this
39:20season and in an effort to speak his truth Dakota agreed to join us tonight on the condition that
39:26Taylor and the rest of mom talk be backstage can we turn this up a little bit Dakota I was rooting
39:31for you and Taylor's relationship and now you can't even be on the same stage with her why you
39:36little bit you have to admit it's kind of crazy yeah you kicked the girl okay off of their own
39:43stage I'm just gonna say that was a little more dramatic than I thought it was gonna be it wasn't
39:47supposed to be like that none of the husbands are getting sex tonight that's special Connor already
39:51did before 8 a.m yeah wow I know all I wanted was just to be able to have like a good conversation
39:57and I think most people would agree that like when me and Taylor are together it's really hard for us
40:02to just talk so that was really my own only thing I think that's fair your relationship with Taylor
40:08has gotten to a point where she'll be looking for love on the next season of The Bachelorette
40:13what happened let's take a look how are you how are things you had him like for 11 days I did it was
40:21like good bonding for us really yeah well I'm sure well yeah I feel so close to him man the goal is
40:28to have healthy co-parenting and to focus on our healing individually I am not going to be in a
40:35relationship until I'm in a healthier spot my roommate went missing this morning
40:39yes we had sex like obviously how about that I love you last night if ever there was a future for
40:50Dakota and I there would have to be no more lies no more secrets are Taylor and Dakota back together
40:56I'm not trying to snitch but during one of the times they were broken up Leanne's friend
41:01she started like hitting on him and it kind of turned sexual this is the fourth girl now and it's
41:06like it's a fucking family member I hate you I don't think you like understand how big of a deal this is
41:11I just like want your full transparency Dakota came clean to me
41:19there's never been anything going on between me and Dakota I literally would have only invited him
41:23over to cry it out or whatever cry it out and then fuck
41:27you haven't been happy for three years I did my mediation Taylor I'm glad that you
41:37took the initiative to contact the attorney and finally set some boundaries I have no choice
41:42we're done sorry can you throw me that water real quick to make you nervous yeah you guys
41:49he's sweating he's like hey what lines did you cover up right now how are you and Taylor now
41:54I don't I mean I think
41:56probably not good if I had to say like I and I don't like that like I wish it was uh I wish it
42:06was better but I just think the emotions are still like really high okay in your words what happened
42:13with Taylor's family friend it's been over two years now um so I think when this happened me and
42:20Taylor were together for like 10 months we were both in a very toxic cycle for me anyways it was
42:27like I was always getting broken up with and this was like the first like time where she broke up with
42:31me where I guess for me it felt like very legit like it felt like it was real for me this lady
42:37that I had met through Taylor's family she leaned out to me and was just checking in on me because
42:42obviously she had heard what happened and she was just like being super nice um and then
42:48it wasn't it didn't like get weird did you guys talk about Taylor yeah it was about her relationship
42:54yeah so like you confided in her yeah it was just about like how how crappy it is and like how sad I
43:00am okay let's see what he lies about and then I'll go out there and clear it up and then it got to a
43:05point to where I'm trying to think of exactly step by step but it was like yeah think about those
43:11lies you're gonna tell she's just making him feel like a fool it's not that hard to do it's just the
43:16facts and then like out of nowhere I feel like she kind of like came on to me which that I think
43:24just kind of surprised me given in that moment like I didn't actually think that was going to
43:28happen if again that's just my opinion like I really didn't think that was going to happen
43:33and then uh and then from there it was like even the pictures we sent like I know pictures did you
43:40yeah by the way which yeah yeah which no no I'm getting to it I just want to make sure I explain
43:45this because I don't want things twisted like even on the the episode I watched one of them and it was
43:49like Taylor was questioning me I was like oh there's only one picture sent there's only one picture
43:52sent I was referring to she only sent me one picture there was multiple pictures sent but she
43:59only sent me one picture yeah no no no I only sent one more picture so there's two two pictures
44:05what was it what was the picture of um it was a silhouette so in the silhouette like it was so
44:10dark like if I'm being honest it wasn't like it wasn't super sexual to me like just because of how
44:19dark the picture was what prompted the pic oh yeah this is what I was going to say so and I think
44:24what even prop I think what even prompted the picture was that we were talking about like the gym
44:30working out uh being in good shape like things like that conversation had turned away from you
44:36and Taylor's relationship yeah yeah I guess yeah I turned to like that just at that night time just
44:40towards the night there who gives a fuck what time it is it's night time it was night and then I sent
44:48a picture of my shirt off dumb as shit I agree it was stupid I'm not saying it's not yes it was
44:55that like flirty though her picture to you and hell yeah that's where yeah already I was
45:00like okay this is like uh yeah like it but you and Taylor weren't together no no she broke up with
45:05me I'm about to go fucking out there and literally annihilate him and then out of nowhere she like
45:12freaked out like and was like delete everything delete everything I think it made me have to kind
45:21be like oh damn like this is like a big big deal keep going well go ahead with your lies lies what
45:29where am I going to sit by him you can go can I don't sit by him can you give me that water
45:33you look pretty keep going all right I will let me drink welcome ladies thank you so Taylor
45:39what is not tracking for you um I mean I think you can kind of gauge when you're stuttering you're
45:45like well wait wait give me a second that's when you're having to keep up with lies
45:48you knew the extent of what she was so don't go back on that now does that make sense yeah I see
45:52what you're saying that's my point if Dakota would just be like I messed up I messed up I was so dumb
45:58of me he would just look so much better I think you know that this was fucked up because you confided
46:04in Jordan about it a hundred percent okay so you understand why Taylor is yes enraged right
46:11right right okay yeah so what are you trying to defend defend I think it comes off as you
46:18kind of defending as if it's not I think can invalidate how Taylor feels well I think I do
46:23that just given the fact that I think you're never just sorry yeah like if you didn't have any new
46:27information you must be here to fully apologize or something well I think the context of what I just
46:36said is new like I watched the episode and I feel like there was multiple things that were skewed in
46:41there I felt like it made it seem like I cheated on you like that is cheating to me okay but yet
46:52you can do it right when you're broke up when you broke up with me you can go fuck someone else and
46:57then come fuck me right okay so a year later oh we were broke up we were broke up though right oh my god
47:02and your friends will tell you the same thing they'll say you don't owe him that did I cheat does anyone
47:06consider that cheating uh so you're broken up and me moving right so how is that cheating what I did
47:11if I was I don't feel like this is about cheating it's who it is it's who is with Layla I know I'm
47:18saying then let me just talk do you see how the whole thing changed like when you come out and you're
47:23just firing shots at me like I I wanted to just talk this is where I wanted to this was my whole
47:27point go I've apologized to you like a hundred times you've never meant it though yes I have I've wrote
47:32you let her saying sorry a hundred times I know everything I can you said hey I weeded out a bad
47:36this is me just trying wait what he said I hey I weeded out a bad friend in your family oh my gosh
47:41this is this is what I'm talking about like this is where this is why I can't do this are you still
47:46on speaking terms with this person no my entire family dishonored her no yeah she was my friend too
47:53like that's what like she would see me cry and struggle and all these things with Dakota and
47:56be helping me when I think she was a snake in the fucking grass it's disgusting
48:00do you feel like you owe her parents an apology a hundred percent and I reached out to your mom
48:06and asked her well he was making threats to Taylor it is so wild this is because I come out with the
48:11truth didn't you just sex me last night you should tell your new boyfriend that we're gonna move
48:15the one that you like a lot didn't you just say that today oh you should probably tell him how you
48:18were talking to me last night oh look at that we have look at you denying it I don't have a boyfriend
48:22I'm single I'm single just take a couple of breaths this is getting a little crazy
48:27you should have him show up because he's lying we're gonna move out of this I want to go back
48:30to Leanne and Jeremy I mean this is the worst time for me to do it I was actually going to do it and
48:35it was going to be very genuine but now it's like I'm so heated yeah this is not giving happy holidays
48:39okay let's welcome in Leanne and Jeremy
48:42welcome back to the secret lives of Mormon wives season three reunion we've had more drama than a
49:08high school Christmas pageant we have mom talk and dad talk here with us along with Leanne and
49:13Jeremy and Demi and Brett Demi I know you had a rough time out there and I really appreciate you
49:19coming back yeah thank you Dakota has something he'd like to say to Taylor's parents but first
49:25Brett has something he'd like to get off his chest um I'd like to apologize to Miranda um in my heated
49:31phone conversation with Demi said something that I don't mean even remotely we had a brief
49:37conversation with Miranda and she just basically was insinuating that I'm a liar and you said she
49:43shoved you and I'm like well I don't know what would you call it I don't know what to call it he
49:46came up and pushed my head
49:47what I said was unacceptable and it was really representative of how I was feeling about this
49:59situation as a whole just feeling like the whole thing was just so kind of out of bounds and so trashy
50:04the way that I felt like she was being treated and you were the last person that she interacted
50:09with so unfortunately you were you were on the receiving end of kind of the pinnacle of my
50:14frustration and you didn't deserve that and I'm really sorry it was tensions were really high at
50:20that time I do wish that you know this wasn't just happening on camera I wish maybe it was something
50:26that was said earlier and I'm not saying that I don't that it's not an authentic apology I just
50:30I do think that the timing of it is a little bit unfortunate I I just so you know I felt sick to
50:35my stomach just hearing myself I didn't even remember saying that I was like seeing red in the
50:41moment and I really my apology really is sincere I I really I'm sorry I appreciate it thank you
50:47yay one apology accepted Dakota I know there's something you'd like to say to Leanne so just
50:53go ahead uh obviously I I know that I fucked up I just think like I think I knew I was gonna lose
51:03you guys and that I don't know I think I kind of numbed out maybe a little bit
51:11and I think it was just hard to me and Taylor obviously we're just not in a good place and
51:17I think it was just like even harder but I am truly sorry because I know that that caused a lot
51:26of pain obviously for Taylor but for you guys as well and your family and I don't think I realized
51:32the magnitude maybe of even what I did I don't expect you guys to forgive me I don't expect anything
51:38like that but I do just want you to know like I know I messed up I I know that I caused a lot of
51:44pain for all of you guys and that's all I can do right now is I'm sorry
51:51Leanne Jeremy I just don't understand like why why yeah you do that behind your girlfriend that's
52:05pregnant with your baby that's sickening I think that bugs me Dakota is you're just like
52:11one of those people that you just can't help but to love but then you get really get to know you
52:17you're not that person you're just a different person like behind closed doors you have your
52:23virtue your it's like been taken away you're so dishonest you're so like I just don't know how you
52:29could keep lying and you know what the thing that hurts the most is that she's my kid and you hurt my
52:35grandbaby like you hurt ever he's the one that's gonna pay for all your guys's crappy decisions that
52:43you both have made
52:44I can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth because it's all bullshit dude
52:50you have proven yourself time and time again that nothing that comes out of your mouth is just spewing
52:57bullshit so I can't accept any sorry from you or nothing I mean our last reunion he was sitting
53:05here crying and our host was asking do you think you can be an honest person he's crying yes I've
53:11said everything I said it all like I can do this yes I love Taylor but he's still lying about right I
53:17didn't know I learned after the reunion I'll do anything to uh just like have that opportunity
53:24to be with her and my family and um
53:28this is so hard because that's like I just went about everything the worst way Taylor Dakota where
53:40do you guys think you go from here as co-parents I would obviously love to get to a spot of like
53:46being cordial for the sake of our son because he ultimately my mom is saying he's the one who
53:50is this gonna suffer from all of this this is a lot on me that I chose him to be his dad wait
53:57you don't think I'm a good dad Taylor are you gonna let me finish so I feel when I look at ever
54:02I'm like this is my fault I did this I chose to do this I'm so sorry that I chose to have a child
54:09with this person however they feel they're they're justified the one thing I want to just stand on is
54:13I've seen him be a dad and like I think Dakota's a great dad I will never ever have anyone tell me I'm
54:19not okay because I know that with every single fiber in my heart okay I I just like you know
54:24it Taylor out of anybody you know how much I care about ever did you listen I said it's on me I feel
54:29guilty it's how you're wording things about it I mean every word I think it's not about this you know
54:34we were giving you the opportunity to apologize yeah to them you you did they don't accept that
54:42apology that's fine um I we can't just like keep yeah keep at it keep at it like we can't do that
54:50that's it I'm done fucking stupid fucking my god folks we're not done yet folks we're not done yet
54:57oh shit I told him we're not done they want that fuck that I'm good I want anything good I'm just
55:05gonna say I just feel for Dakota honestly did I care for him absolutely is this painful duh I loved him
55:12I wanted to be with him I had a child with him so yes it's fucking painful hurts to co-parent to this
55:18very day I do it every day and it's the worst things I've ever done
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