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00:00I didn't realize, because it's not really a metric that I track,
00:06but Cowherd said he's tracking to be the best quarterback, Drake May,
00:10in NFL history on first down.
00:12Not something that I've ever tracked.
00:14I thought he was on third down, too, so maybe he's just the greatest quarterback of all time.
00:17Yeah, he's going to hand it off on second down and then kind of figure it out on first and third.
00:20He should be in good shape.
00:21Yeah, why is Josh running Ramondre Wildcat plays on second down
00:25like he did on Monday when you have the greatest quarterback on first and third down?
00:28Don't love that.
00:28Make him great on second down.
00:30Yeah, make second down great again.
00:31Make second down great again, Keith, exactly.
00:34Finally, something we can unite on.
00:35So, I mean, he makes the point, and I don't know that the numbers back this up,
00:40that you get, like, a franchise quarterback every year.
00:43Like, one comes into the league on average every year.
00:45That sounds high.
00:46Honestly, on average, a franchise quarterback?
00:49So that, we did this at the beginning of the year.
00:52We tried, like, tiering quarterbacks before the season started.
00:55And it was even just, like, I think at one point we even did, like, a binary, like,
00:58is the team happy with their quarterback?
01:00Therefore, like, would you even refer, like, Trevor Lawrence is a good barometer.
01:03Is Trevor Lawrence a franchise quarterback?
01:04Definitely not.
01:05No, he's supposed to be.
01:06He's paid like one.
01:06Paid like one, drafted like one, and is still the starter.
01:10Is 2-0-1.
01:11No, I don't think so.
01:12Another guy who's paid like one and isn't is Goff one.
01:14So, no, I don't think so.
01:17I also would say no, but he's closer.
01:18Better than the other two.
01:19But that's why, I mean, maybe there's 10.
01:22So there's 32 quarterbacks, and you got guys that were drafted each of the last,
01:28I don't know, I mean, how long?
01:30I mean, Aaron Rodgers was drafted forever ago.
01:32So you're talking about a lot of different draft classes with an opportunity for a quarterback
01:35to still be in the league and be a franchise quarterback.
01:38But whatever, like, semantics.
01:40Let's say there's one, right?
01:42Some draft classes might have three, then you might have two, three years in a row
01:44where there's none, and then whatever, it bounces out.
01:47So how many quarterbacks are generational?
01:50He says one every four or five years.
01:51I also think that's high, but he says he thinks we might have a generational quarterback
01:55in Drake May.
01:56Do you think Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, and Burrow are all generational quarterbacks?
02:00I would probably even have a higher bar than that for, like, what I would truly consider
02:04a generational quarterback.
02:05It'd be like Manning, Brady, Mahomes over the last, like, 30 years.
02:09Is every MVP quarterback a generational quarterback?
02:12Definitely not.
02:13Matt Ryan?
02:13Kane Newton?
02:14Yeah.
02:14No, I would say no.
02:15The answer is no.
02:16But I think if you're in the conversation a bunch of times, so, like, Russell Wilson?
02:21I know now, not Russell Wilson now, but you've got to go back.
02:24Never was an MVP, but he had more consistently good seasons.
02:28I left out Rodgers.
02:29Rodgers should be in there, too.
02:30He's generational.
02:31Yep.
02:31Rodgers should be in there.
02:32So, you know, maybe there's four over the last 30 years, and we don't know the full
02:37story yet.
02:38Well, I guess we don't know it on Mahomes, but he's already there.
02:40Yeah.
02:40We don't know the full story yet on Allen and Lamar, so could they get there?
02:43Sure.
02:43But, yeah, we're probably talking something like that.
02:46Okay.
02:47And that's your list.
02:48So is May that?
02:50Could be.
02:51I also am leaving the door cracked on that.
02:54Yeah, maybe.
02:54Yeah.
02:55See, I think the cautionary tale would be last year at this time in Washington, you're like,
03:00is Jaden Daniels that?
03:01Two years ago in Houston, you're like, is CJ Stroud that?
03:04Like, there's been guys that have had really good rookie years or really good second years.
03:09Was that the conversation with Jaden Daniels?
03:10I feel like it was, is he the best quarterback in the NFC?
03:13I feel, I remember having that.
03:14That's a good start.
03:14No, that's half the league.
03:15But is that, but people weren't saying he's generational.
03:18Oh, well, I mean, is Colin Coward the only one saying generational?
03:21Fair point.
03:21He is.
03:22But we're also saying he might be right.
03:25He might be right.
03:25But I'm saying, like, there was a lot, like, it was hard to really criticize Jaden Daniels
03:31or even question how good he could be.
03:33You're like, look at this guy.
03:34Like, NFC Championship game, his rookie year, good draft class.
03:38He was far and away the rookie of the year.
03:41Two years ago, CJ Stroud, remember the whole thing?
03:43Like, oh my God, they lucked out.
03:45Bryce Young went one, CJ Stroud went two, and now they have this stud guy.
03:50He's fine.
03:50Like, he hasn't really gotten a whole lot better.
03:54I know Daniels has also had some injuries, too.
03:56So that would only, those would be the cautionary tales.
03:58Because we haven't seen, you know, Drake May really struggle for certainly this season at all.
04:05But that is crazy.
04:06We went from where is Drake May even ranked within his own quarterback class to now does
04:11he belong with Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, and Manning.
04:14History of the league.
04:15That is a bit of a stretch.
04:16That's, I mean, but that's how good he's been.
04:18Yeah, no, it is, but I think he's already passed that first hurdle because I think it
04:22still is a good quarterback class.
04:24Like, I think Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, and Bo Nix are going to be starters in the
04:27league for a while.
04:28And I think this year, Caleb Williams could make the playoffs.
04:33Daniels did a year ago.
04:35Bo Nix did a year ago and will again this year.
04:37Like, those are, you know, there's only 14 spots in the playoffs, and those guys already
04:41have cracks at it.
04:43So is he the best of that group?
04:45That's a pretty good sign.
04:46And then now you're already looking at the AFC, and you're like, well, if Lamar's going
04:50to look like this, and if Joe Burrow's hurt again, I know he's back now, but you know
04:55what I'm saying?
04:55Like, he missed a lot of games.
04:56Yeah, and he still has a lot of work to do to get to the playoffs.
04:58Like, you can maybe, if you can crack the top four or five in the AFC, which is essentially
05:03top four or five in the NFL, like that, yeah, that puts you on the short list.
05:07So we'll add that to the list here on Jones and Keith, 617-779-7937.
05:10We'll talk to Taylor Kyles from CLNS at 1130.
05:15We'll mix in some Celtics and Bruins talk at 11 o'clock.
05:18We got Jones and Keith wrapped at 1145.
05:20So stay tuned for all of it.
05:21Meanwhile, Dick's on the Cape.
05:23All right.
05:24He wants to talk about Belichick and his Hall of Fame candidates.
05:27He go ahead, Dick.
05:27Hey, how are you guys doing today?
05:32Thanks for taking my call.
05:33It's going great.
05:34Yeah, I just got a little complaint about Bill Belichick.
05:37I do think he's a second ballot Hall of Famer only because there should be, you know, a criteria
05:43for professionalism.
05:45The guy was definitely a pro, very smart, but he wasn't professional with the media.
05:48He also had, my other reason, he had Tom Brady and Lawrence Taylor.
05:54What's his record without those?
05:55I don't know offhand, but I'm sure it's not that good.
05:58They're not as good.
05:59He's not traded.
05:59He's traded Tom Brady, too.
06:01His record's zero and zero without Lawrence Taylor.
06:03He didn't coach Lawrence.
06:04He wasn't the head coach of the Giants.
06:05He doesn't get any credit for that.
06:06But even with all that working against him, you'd toss him on the second ballot?
06:11Second ballot because, you know, you're supposed to be, you know.
06:15That makes no sense to me.
06:16There should be ethics involved, too.
06:18He's not very ethical as an asshole.
06:20I can't say that.
06:21You can't say that.
06:22Dick, how many coaches, we got to let you go.
06:24How many coaches are better than Bill?
06:26And even if you come up with one or two, I can't.
06:29I don't know how you're going to hold him out.
06:30So now we're holding because he was mean to the media?
06:34I wouldn't even care about that.
06:34People love that for the longest time.
06:36Yeah, I mean, look.
06:37And as somebody who got snorted at and was ridiculed when interviewing him, I'm not keeping him out of the Hall of Fame because of that.
06:44He, yeah, I mean, I think he was kind of an a-hole about that.
06:48Sure.
06:48Should I keep him out of the Hall of Fame?
06:49Definitely not.
06:49No.
06:50Definitely not.
06:50There's a lot of bad guys.
06:51Ted Williams is in the Hall of Fame.
06:52A lot of bad guys.
06:54I don't think he was the nicest guy in the media.
06:55A lot of guys who treated the media poorly in the Hall of Fame.
06:58So I personally don't care about any of that.
06:59No.
07:00But it's like, okay, not the first ballot.
07:03What do you think?
07:03Second?
07:03Third?
07:04Yeah, like when is he allowed in?
07:06That makes no sense.
07:07And then when you go visit the Hall of Fame someday, you go to beautiful Canton, Ohio, and you're walking around, it gives you the full breakdown of the person that's in there.
07:16And it says, you know, the teams that they played for, coached, and maybe some stats and maybe some highlights.
07:21It doesn't say on there.
07:23And then in his third year on the ballot was in stride.
07:26Like, that's not part of the story.
07:27But maybe it should.
07:28I guess.
07:29Maybe they lead with that.
07:30Yeah.
07:30Didn't get in on the first try, but he's here now.
07:32Took a Robert campaign for 14 years and had Stacey James send books to people, sometimes multiple times, before he ultimately had enough bootlickers to let him in.
07:41It's like Jim Rice.
07:42Took Jim Rice 15 years to get in.
07:44Yeah, he can't even do that anymore.
07:45No, they shortened that window.
07:47Jim Rice got in and they're like, well, that was embarrassing.
07:49Let's lower it to like 10.
07:50And honestly, it probably should be like two.
07:52The guy literally got a job in TV so he can sort of smooth things over.
07:55In a perfect world, you get one year on the ballot.
07:57Yeah, one and done.
07:59One and done and you're out.
07:59Are you in?
08:00No?
08:00Okay.
08:00Okay.
08:01We'll see you.
08:01Good luck.
08:02We got some new guys coming.
08:03Nice career.
08:04Hell of a career.
08:05Maybe there's still like a committee to vote on you later on if they really had like some oversight.
08:09Nah.
08:10But yeah, you get one year.
08:11Were you in or not?
08:12Why drag it out?
08:12Right.
08:13I don't get it.
08:13Because then people are like holding on.
08:14They're like, oh, please, please, please.
08:16Like, no, you're one year crack at it.
08:18The baseball writers knew they really got one year with it.
08:20They had one chance with Barry Bonds and that was it.
08:23They might have been like, guys, we should do this.
08:25Or do they panic and go the other way and they let everybody in?
08:28They're like, why is Jared Salt-Lamac in the Hall of Fame?
08:30Good point.
08:31We just didn't want to leave him out.
08:33We didn't want to screw that up.
08:34Good point.
08:35Yeah, actually.
08:35Too many people.
08:36Everybody's in the Hall of Fame now.
08:37You're like, oh.
08:38No, in a perfect world, actually, we just, just me and you are the two votes.
08:41The Jones and Keefe Hall of Fame.
08:41Yeah, Billy Breaks the Time.
08:42Which we do have, by the way.
08:44It's in a perfect world.
08:45There's one guy in it.
08:46Yeah.
08:46Garrett Crochet?
08:48That's the Haas Hall of Fame.
08:48Oh, cool.
08:49That's the Haas Hall of Fame.
08:50Oh, that's Haas Hall of Fame.
08:51Matt Cleal's in the Haas Hall of Fame.
08:52No, we have a Ring of Honor, Keefe, for the show.
08:54Oh, the Jones and Keefe Ring of Honor was the first caller that we had that won the
08:57Joe Mazzula game.
08:58Yeah, we didn't have a prize.
08:59We have a prize to give away.
09:00That's it.
09:00That's the Zula guy we was putting in.
09:01Yeah.
09:02Yeah, a small haul.
09:02Who is it?
09:03We're consistent.
09:04I think it was in Albert and Albert in Rhode Island.
09:07We obviously did a good job tracking our Ring of Honor.
09:08We didn't put anybody else in.
09:10I don't believe so.
09:11I'm assuming me.
09:11It's got to be in our notes.
09:12I'm assuming me and you are in there.
09:14Are we not?
09:15We're not in our Ring of Fame?
09:16Listen, Jones, I'm a humble guy.
09:18I mean, if you want him to duck me in, so be it.
09:21I'm putting myself in right now, but okay.
09:24Yeah, we have a Ring of Fame.
09:25We have a Haas Hall of Fame.
09:27I'm looking through our-
09:27That's Garrett Crochet and Matt Khalil, obviously.
09:30Our incredible notes here.
09:31I think in a perfect world-
09:32Our units of measure.
09:33The same way we vote on tears in a perfect world, me and you just get to vote on the
09:37Hall of Fame, and then if we disagree, Billy breaks the tie.
09:39Yeah, that's fine.
09:40And that's how we do the Hall of Fame.
09:41That's how we decide Hall of Famers.
09:42They get one year, one try.
09:43I thought we put a player randomly in.
09:45Was Randy Moss in our Hall of Fame?
09:47I thought he was.
09:49We'll have to figure that out, because we got year-end.
09:51We got year-end stuff coming up.
09:52We're going to have some of the best of the year, but then we're also going to do the
09:54Jones and Keefe Awards in January, right?
09:58There's not going to be overlap with those.
09:59Those are going to be very different.
10:00Yeah.
10:01Wildly different.
10:01Allen, Rhode Island was the only-
10:03He did.
10:05Can we make a physical wall of fame in here?
10:09Just put Allen, Rhode Island.
10:10Well, right now, that's what it is.
10:12That's all it is.
10:13But I think you don't want to overload the Ring of Fame.
10:15Some of those teams are embarrassing.
10:16You don't want to do that.
10:16Oh, it's too much.
10:17They're running out of real estate around their arenas.
10:19Dice is lobbying to be in.
10:22Yeah, of course he is.
10:22Dice wants to be in.
10:23Of course he is.
10:24Take another Midas touchdown this week, Dice.
10:276-1-7.
10:27That's a good Derek Henry.
10:28Yeah, 6-1-7.
10:30So it's good about him.
10:307-9-3-7.
10:32We'll get to your feedback on all this.
10:34Drake May as a generational quarterback.
10:37Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft going into the Hall of Fame, possibly together.
10:40The Jones and Keefe Ring of Honor.
10:42Yeah.
10:42It's all out there for you.
10:43Plus, Patriots finally getting the hype they deserve at the national level.
10:47It seems that way.
10:48We'll explain next.
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