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00:22Good evening, everyone. I'm Laura Ingram. This is the Ingram Angle from Washington tonight.
00:26Criminal cover-up and denial. That's the focus of tonight's Angle.
00:32Now, let's say you have two families in any neighborhood. One headed by a father who is
00:38gainfully employed, paying his taxes, raising his kids right. And another family is headed by a dad
00:44who's making huge money through fraud schemes, buying expensive cars, taking his kids on lavish
00:50trips, knowing all along he's protected by powerful politicians. Now, which family do you think will
00:58soon become the example for all to follow? Well, this scenario is actually playing out right now
01:04in Minnesota, where too many have concluded that crime does indeed pay, at least in the Somali
01:10community. For years, this politically powerful group, a staggering 80,000 strong, has had liberals
01:17like Governor Tim Walz and Twin Cities mayors in their back pockets. And now they've concluded,
01:23yeah, they're above the law. Waltz is, he should be ashamed. That beautiful land,
01:30that beautiful state, it's a hellhole right now. And the Somalians should be out of here.
01:36They've destroyed our country. And all they do is complain, complain, complain.
01:41Well, thanks to the City Journal, Americans and President Trump were made aware of a decade-long
01:47string of Somali fraud schemes that ended up stealing billions of taxpayer dollars by exploiting
01:53Minnesota's very generous welfare state, where the culprits here inoculated themselves from
02:00scrutiny by crying discrimination at every turn. You know how it goes. Well, it took long enough,
02:05but prosecutors finally started bringing the culprits down. We've got 78 people that have been
02:10arrested pursuant to our investigation along with the inner agency. And that investigation is very
02:15much ongoing. We are not finished. It was one of the largest fraud scams ever committed
02:19in the state of Minnesota history. And we are going to continue to interview and subpoena anyone
02:24involved with this case. And now the state is getting a thorough review also by the Treasury
02:30Department, which announced it was launching its own investigation, including the claims that millions
02:35of the taxpayers' dollars were funneled to the Islamic terror group, al-Shabaab. And on top of that,
02:42House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer just announced his own investigation. Now,
02:48this is all long overdue. But naturally, Democrats like Mayor Jacob Fry ignore the opportunity to clean up
02:56the crime and instead attack Trump and then pander to the Somalis.
03:00We need to also be demanding better from an administration who is intent on targeting people
03:05and committing so much time, energy, and money to terrorizing certain groups within our community.
03:14That's not American.
03:15To our Somali community.
03:17How embarrassing. And by the way, so much for the melting pot.
03:29But it's not just the left that's responsible here. So are the media.
03:35They were complicit in their aggressive lack of curiosity on what's been happening. Undoubtedly,
03:40they're afraid of damaging their everyone's welcome here narrative on the third world refugees.
03:45But this week, the New York Times was finally shamed into running this piece,
03:50how fraud swamped Minnesota's social services system on Tim Walz's watch.
03:56Now, it quoted a professor, Ahmed Samatar, who described, who's described as a leading expert
04:02in Somali studies. And he noted that Somali refugees who came here after that country's civil war
04:08were raised in a culture where stealing from a dysfunctional and corrupt government was widespread.
04:14I don't want them in our country. Their country's no good for a reason.
04:19Their country stinks. We're going to go the wrong way if we keep taking in garbage into our country.
04:25Ilan Omar is garbage. She's garbage. Her friends are garbage.
04:30Well, I'm not wild about the garbage comment. Remember when Biden called Trump's constituents garbage?
04:36We weren't too happy about that. But look, the blowback from the local politicians against the
04:42administration, I mean, the fraud was rampant, but their blowback against Trump, well, that's predictable
04:49here. No human being is garbage. And that kind of language is dangerous. It's dangerous. It puts
04:59people's lives in danger. Of course, he has his own history. But a danger? Trump's putting people in
05:05danger. Now, in the span of three decades, Minneapolis went from being a safe, homogeneious,
05:11sleepy city to a Somali gangland where criminality is regularly contextualized,
05:18such as with a recent case of the rape of a 12-year-old girl by a Somali immigrant.
05:23Now, before he was sentenced, his local Islamic center wrote him a community support letter.
05:29Isn't that lovely? And Trump's favorite congresswoman, who famously downplayed concerns
05:34about Al-Qaeda, insists the negative picture painted of Somalis is all wrong.
05:40We are the most generous people. We are one of the most friendliest communities. It is why we made
05:46Minnesota home, because it fits with our character. Nice is not just something we say,
05:52something that is true. And Somalis are as nice as Minnesota is. We are, like I said, very resilient.
06:00We're very hardworking. And we are very patriotic.
06:05Okay. Well, if that's true, then the community should have no problem following and respecting
06:12American customs. Because patriotism requires respect for American law,
06:17even when it means that some in your community are sent to prison or sent packing. And that's the
06:24angle. Here with me is Chris Ruffo, who broke the story in the City Journal. He's also a senior
06:28fellow at the Manhattan Institute. And also with us is David Gaither, former state senator in
06:33Minnesota. David, let's start with you. The lawmakers in this state are petrified of offending the
06:41Somalian community. Is that an exaggeration? It's anything. It's an understatement. The
06:49Somali community is becoming a very powerful voting block in Minneapolis. And if you want to win a
06:56statewide race in Minnesota, you've got to carry Minneapolis. In order to carry Minneapolis, you
07:00have to carry the Somalis. And they have become a force to be reckoned with. And any criticism of the
07:07group in particular is met with claims of racism and cultural indifference. So it is a very, very hot
07:17topic and a very, very powerful area for local politicians. Now, Chris, you're the one who broke
07:22this story. But the crimes had been reported in various local outlets really over years. So you put
07:31it all together and wrote this piece. And suddenly we had a lot of national traction on this story.
07:37After you came on The Angle, your reaction to Ilan Omar and other Democrat politicians crying foul
07:46here. Yeah, I mean, it's breathtaking. It's shocking. And the traditional American story is that
07:53immigrant groups would come over. They would learn the American customs. They would learn how to speak
07:57English. They would try to assimilate into the culture. And if they had bad elements in their own
08:02culture, for example, Italian Americans had the mafia, it was incumbent upon them to reject that
08:07kind of criminal activity and then to correct it. So you had famous Italian Americans like Rudy Giuliani
08:13going after the mafia. But in Minneapolis, we have precisely the opposite. The Somali community
08:18leaders like Ilhan Omar are defending the very people who committed billions of dollars in fraud.
08:25They're ripping off taxpayers and exploiting the high trust social safety net established by
08:31Minnesotans in the past. It is absolutely outrageous. And I think the president, again,
08:36I don't like all the language. I feel the same way as you do. But the president is right to hammer
08:41these people and especially to hammer the leaders. Well, Ilhan Omar was just on CNN moments ago.
08:49This is what she said. It creates fear. And there is a possible danger that a lot of the people who
08:59follow the president have exhibited violence in many cases, especially in my case, whenever he has
09:07said something about me that is derogatory or says I'm a threat to the country.
09:13So, David, she's worried about violence being encouraged by President Trump. He said
09:19nothing of the sort that would encourage violence. But you can take a cursory review through social
09:24media and you see roving gangs of individuals wailing on each other in the streets of Minneapolis.
09:32And I know those streets pretty well. I've been going to Minneapolis for, you know, I don't know,
09:3615, 17 years. And it's fairly shocking. It's not everybody, but it's a core group of people that
09:42are causing a heck of a lot of trouble. Well, there's no question there's a core group of people
09:47causing a heck of a lot of trouble. That happens in many places. But let's not deny the facts
09:52of the indictments on feeding our future. I think it's somewhere near 79 indictments have been handed
09:58out. A significant, like 70 to 79, are members of the same cohort. That's statistically improbable.
10:06And it points to a larger set of issues that, yes, is fraud rampant? Yes. Is Ilhan worried about
10:14violence? Yes. But she's she's deflecting the conversation and turning around as typical playbook
10:18fashion. It says, don't look here. Look, you look at you in the mirror. It's your fault. You made it
10:23too easy for us to steal. And I think that's just it's deplorable to use Hillary's phrase.
10:30Chris, it was I was actually shocked that The New York Times conceded that the Somali culture
10:38under the corrupt government during, you know, as the civil war was breaking out there.
10:43The Somali culture, you know, embraced stealing to survive. But that was part of the culture. And so
10:52some of the Somali immigrants brought that same understanding to the United States. I mean,
10:59The New York Times was shamed into reporting this. But why did it take them so long to report the
11:06problems of importing so many people from extremely different cultures than our own,
11:12have very different understanding of women's rights, other rights, and of course, the rule of law?
11:18Yeah, well, the scope and the scale of this fraud was so brazen, so extraordinary. They had no choice
11:24but to talk about it. And the reality is pretty simple. Not all cultures are equal. Different groups
11:29have different traits that lead to different outcomes. And if you look at Minnesota, which is
11:33predominantly Scandinavian in its founding, and you actually look at Scandinavia, like Sweden, for
11:38example, both of these societies have imported Somalis. And in both cases, you get high rates of
11:43welfare dependency, unemployment, crime, rape, and fraud. And so these are statistical realities.
11:51Of course, not everybody, everyone is made in the image of God. But we have to be honest about group
11:57traits and which traits we want to prioritize as we design our immigration system.
12:02Well, I think you made the point. Every ethnic group has had its problems. Every ethnic group has
12:08had to say, no bad actors. You're part of America now. That means the language, the culture, our customs.
12:14So that has happened in every group that's come into the United States. But, you know, now we seem to
12:19have a protectorate surrounding other groups. That's where it goes wrong. Chris and David, both of you,
12:24thank you very much. All right. Well, Trump's travel ban already in effect. Immigration from 19
12:30countries, including Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, Venezuela, has been stopped. But that's not enough
12:38because a lot of countries were left off that list. China, Mexico, they're not considered modern
12:44countries, even though a lot of modern things come out of both. So the travel ban, as it stands,
12:50does it begin to address the economic, national security and personal safety threats posed by
12:56other countries? But there's new reporting tonight that the Trump administration is actually
13:01considering expanding that list to over 30 countries on the list. And when pressed by Fox
13:06tonight, Fox Business, the DHS spokesperson, Tricia McLaughlin, did not deny this. Joining me now to
13:13discuss is Ohio Senator Bernie Moreno. Senator, America has, you know, a significant problem right
13:22now. The old ideas of assimilation, a patriotic education, a kind of a homogeneous understanding
13:30of the greatness of America, that's all been under attack. How do we assimilate people into this
13:36country by the millions when we're not even assimilating to, in some cases, our own kids
13:41into loving America? Well, you can't, is the answer. You cannot bring millions of people into
13:47our country and expect assimilation to happen. You have to be very, very targeted about the type
13:54of immigrants that you're bringing, who you're bringing. And you have to make certain that there's
13:58some conditions to come here. Number one, you have to learn our language, Laura. Language unites us.
14:03Secondly, you have to understand that you're coming here is a privilege and it's an honor. It's not a
14:09right. You don't have a right to come to America. It's an honor and a privilege. I felt that way
14:13when my parents brought me to America. My mom specifically talked about this all the time. I'll
14:19give you a very quick story. We were coming back from Columbia because we traveled back as a kid
14:24and we got the full drug dealer screening at the airport. And some of my siblings complained to my mom
14:30and dad. I can't believe they're treating us that way. My dad turned to us and said, do not ever blame
14:34them. Blame the Colombians that are bringing drugs into our country that are causing that
14:40condition to occur. Honor the fact that this country's welcomed us. That mentality is gone.
14:47The Democrats have systematically tried to destroy what it means to be an American.
14:51I find that insulting as an immigrant. Shouldn't we have a pause on immigration until we get,
14:56we get straight. Who's here? Who needs to go home? Whether the vetting was done. Shouldn't
15:02we just have a general pause on immigration? Well, when you've brought 10, 15, 20 million
15:06people over four years, we have to figure it out what's going on. And to the American worker,
15:11here's what's happened. We've brought immigrants in that have lowered wages. And the reason wages
15:16can be lower for these immigrants is because they're willing to work for less money and be
15:21subservient to the government. And then that same worker whose wages are being lowered is paying taxes
15:26to take care of the very person who placed their job. But Trump wants to bring in more H-1B workers,
15:31Senator. I mean, this is what we went around around on the other day when, in my interview with him.
15:35And he said, oh, we need these people because we can't pull people off the welfare lines to work at
15:39battery factories. And I don't think anyone's saying to pull people off the welfare lines to
15:44work in battery factories. But we have American workers who Congress is supposed to be protecting
15:49too. It can't be all on President Trump. He's done an enormous amount.
15:52But Congress has to protect the American workers, too.
15:55Absolutely. We've got college students that can't find jobs. We've got kids in our 20s that
15:59can't afford a house or a car, let alone get married and raise a family. We need to make
16:02certain we're taking care of our own citizens first before we even start thinking about what
16:07we do. Huge layoffs. We've got layoffs on big tech. We've got layoffs at Amazon. And meanwhile,
16:12they want to bring in more H-1B workers. You want to get rid of the dual citizenship,
16:17which is an effort that you're pushing in the Senate. How many people have dual
16:21citizenship in the United States? Millions. Millions? Millions of people. Look,
16:25it would surprise the average American that that's true. You know who had the concept of
16:29getting rid of dual citizenship? Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt thought, look,
16:33if you're going to be an American, you've got to be an American. You can only have allegiance to
16:36one country. And certainly it's controversial. There's a lot of people, usually very wealthy
16:41people, that don't like this idea. They want the escape hatch. Well, they want the escape hatch
16:45or they want the preferential tax treatment in another country. They want to be able to shop
16:48jurisdictions. Look, at the end of the day, being an American is an honor. It's a privilege. And we
16:53need to restore that in this country. Well, I hope we see legislation moving forward in the Senate
16:57on that issue. I think that is a fantastic idea. Senator, thank you so much for bringing that up.
17:02And coming up, the Angles advice to Republicans after last night's election.
17:12That nutty leftist Afton Ben from Tennessee kind of learned the hard way that openly hating the
17:18district you want to represent isn't a great strategy after all. So she lost that special
17:23election race against Republican Matt Van Epps by nine points. Somehow that's like a big warning sign
17:30for Republicans. It makes no sense. It is a deep red area. And obviously Trump won the district by 22%
17:37in 2024. But from what we can gather, people have only been really paying attention to this over the last
17:4310 days or so. And Democrats, of course, they're totally pumped and they want to take back the
17:48House next year. So they're trying to get out as many people as they could. It doesn't mean
17:53Republicans should sit back and relax, rest on their laurels. Obviously not. But it's also not time
17:59to push the panic button, as I think John Thune kind of indicated today. Here to discuss all this
18:04is Byron York, Fox News contributor and Robert Cahaley, chief pollster and senior strategist at
18:09the Trafalgar Group. Robert, the heads were exploding last night. And early on, it seemed even
18:17to yours truly, because I wasn't looking at what districts, what precincts were in, that she actually
18:22might win, which would not have been good for Republicans. But what is this nine point victory
18:27for Matt Van Epps tell you as a pollster? Well, the nine point victory to me is a little more
18:35concerning. When you look at the fact that Green won by 21, 21 and a half, when Trump was on the
18:42ballot, that's one thing. But go back to 2022. He also won by 21 points then. And the fact is,
18:52that was an election that was supposedly not a very good election for Republicans. So to me,
18:57that causes a lot more concern is comparing it with the 2022 midterms. You know, if that's kind
19:04of a high watermark, this is, you know, this is very significant. What the problem I think is,
19:10is a messaging problem. I don't think it's time to panic, but I think it is time to retool
19:15and to recognize this system is broken. And we're not doing as good, you know, the Republican Party
19:20isn't doing the job it needs to at putting out the record, you know, that people are not going to pay
19:26taxes on tips and, and overtime and the, the making your food better. And the, the people
19:32aren't crossing the border. That messaging isn't getting out there, uh, beyond conservative media.
19:38All right. Well, Byron, so Robert's the expert. He said, there's more concern here. And I see what
19:44he's saying. I mean, obviously Republicans always want to win by, you know, double digits and huge,
19:49but Trump can't do it all himself, right? He can't carry the whole load of optimism along with
19:55Scott Besson and his cabinet. The Republicans on the Hill have to jump in the, and, and start
20:01talking about the promise of America under these new policies. All true. But first we should say
20:07this was a really big win for Republicans because their, their, their margin of power in the house
20:14is so narrow. They're picking up another vote that gives Mike Johnson a lot more room. I mean,
20:19it's that close and that tight losing it. Well, Mickey Sherrill's out until, uh, until in New Jersey.
20:25But losing would have been just a disaster. Losing would have been a disaster. Also there is in the
20:31aftermath of this election, a debate inside the democratic party continuing about progressive
20:37candidates versus more moderate candidates. And there are many Democrats who were worried
20:41that, uh, democratic primary electorate seemed to pick the most progressive, the most radical.
20:48You could, they, they picked a candidate who openly said she hated Nashville. She hated everything
20:54about Nashville. I mean, what more can you say to turn off the voters in an area? Nashville voted big
21:00for her, by the way, but she hated, you know, the, in the region she lost badly. So Democrats have some
21:06real problems as evidenced by this. They had been spinning for weeks that a, a close defeat would
21:12be a big win for them. Well, no, it's not. It's a defeat. There are concerns for Republicans. There
21:17are plenty of concerns for Democrats too. And Robert, doesn't it come down to what Trump was talking about
21:23and Scott Besson was talking about yesterday? The economy is moving in the right direction.
21:28Obviously interest rates have to come down and the president wants that to happen. That's been
21:33artificially hurting the economy. But if Besson is right and the economy really takes off in the first
21:39half of next year, moving into the fall, that's really it. Isn't that going to be the bellwether for
21:45whether Republicans hold their maturities or even perhaps doesn't seem possible now, but perhaps
21:51increase their majorities. It's either, he's either right or wrong on what's going to happen.
21:55Absolutely. I mean, you know, if you asked, if you asked the average Republican, would you rather
22:01the economy great, be great, you know, in the fall of 2025 or the fall of 2026, they would obviously
22:07say 2026. And you add an increasingly improving economy with interest rates that may at that point
22:16be falling and maybe the home mortgage games back going again. And it could be a really good mix. But
22:22the one thing the Republicans should take, and you were right, the president can't lift all this.
22:27And there needs to be a better effort to put the message out there. You know, just waiting to dump
22:32a bunch of money in the last six weeks in a few specific states in a congressional district. That
22:37system is broken. I mean, we just got through with a Thanksgiving day with three football games that
22:43had incredible ratings. Where were the ads touting Republican accomplishments? This is something that
22:49needs to be a year round project. The Democrats have the entire mainstream media hitting 90% of
22:56the Republican electorate. And we cannot rely on just the president, just, you know, the conservative
23:04media to do it. There's got to be some real work put into this. And Byron, that means, again,
23:10they have to figure out a way also to think about winning without Trump. I mean, what are they going to
23:14do? What about without Trump? They have to prepare for that eventually, too. I mean, that's, I mean,
23:20he's been with, he's been with us for 10 years. And that is going to change. And what's the post-Trump
23:26Republican Party going to look like? I don't know. But first of all, they're not really addressing a
23:31lot of people's concerns right now. Look at credit card balances. They've gone, they've been going up
23:36and up and up and up. People are using credit cards for essential items. Car loan delinquencies
23:42are going up. I mean, these are real indicators that people are having trouble getting by every
23:47single day. The inflation that went up under Joe Biden is still there. So that's been halved from
23:53its high. Well, the rate of increase, but the prices haven't gone down. And so what you have to
23:58do is you have to have wages go up finally and meet those prices. And not bring in foreign workers
24:03that just depressed wages as Bernie Moreno just said. Byron and Robert, we're going to be covering
24:07all of this obviously for the next year. So thank you both very much. And ahead, Democrats play nice
24:12with narco-terrorists. Politicians are elected to represent their constituents and their values.
24:22But who exactly are the Democrats' constituents these days? People on a boat in the middle of the
24:29Caribbean carrying cocaine are not a direct threat to the lives of our service members or Americans.
24:36Most narco traffickers are not in those boats. They pay people to do that. And usually people
24:46are not significantly involved with narco trading. It's the way they make money.
24:51Okay. If their activists aren't doxing ICE agents to protect illegals, well, they're protecting the
24:59Venezuelan thugs ferrying lethal poison to our kids. There's no doubt that these traffickers,
25:04these foreign terrorists, are designated to target our kids. They're using social media platforms.
25:10They're using Instagram. These are sophisticated operators. They're not like workaday guys just
25:16driving a boat. And American lives are being saved here, an effort that Democrats should be
25:21celebrating. Every boat we knock out, we save 25,000 American lives. And if you look at our numbers,
25:31the drugs coming in through sea are down 91%. We're going to start very soon on land.
25:38Oh, here to react, Jason Redmond, former Navy SEAL. Jason, great to see you tonight.
25:42The Democrats seem to be fretting, to put it mildly, about the welfare of these narco terrorists.
25:52Very worried that they're just workaday boat guys that are just hired hands. And
25:59essentially, how dare we take them out?
26:03Laura, it's good to see you again. And yeah, it's kind of fascinating watching all this. Individuals
26:07who have never been to war. I think there's an interesting thing that's been happening. I think
26:11it started to happen in the war on terror, this blurring of the rule of law and the law of armed
26:16conflict. And the reality is, in the law of armed conflict, if we designate individuals as enemy
26:22combatants, which is what we did by designating these people as narco terrorists, the individuals
26:27they're using are combatants. And under the law of armed conflict, the rules of engagement that have
26:33been set down, these individuals become a clear and present threat. We have the ability to go after
26:38them. You know, it's fascinating to me, the individuals would also say, you know, oh, well,
26:42these guys aren't a threat. You know, I frequently saw in both Iraq and Afghanistan, both the Taliban
26:47and Al Qaeda were very good at shooting at us, putting weapons down and then moving without a
26:52weapon. So to say they were no longer a threat, well, they would then move to an additional fighting
26:57position. And they would pick up a weapon and engage us again. The individuals on these boats,
27:03I guarantee they have weapons. The narco terrorists aren't going to allow their drugs to go out
27:08there without individuals protecting them. So it's fascinating to me. Yeah. Go ahead.
27:12Well, Jason, Connecticut Congressman Jim Himes went even further in opposing what Trump was doing
27:20and Hegsest doing here, claiming the description of them as narco terrorists is not correct. Watch.
27:28There is no such thing as a narco terrorist. There are very, very bad narcotics people,
27:34cartels, et cetera, but they're desperate to make this look like it's ISIS or Al Qaeda because that's
27:40the very thin line on which their illegal use of the United States military to take these people out
27:46resides. War crimes were in all likelihood committed. Wait a second. Jason, I think you called them
27:52very, very bad, what, drug people? I guess that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And Laura, what does he think
27:59that these individuals are in black pajamas with black paint in a cave? I mean, it doesn't,
28:04you know, it doesn't work that way. It was the same problem we had in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
28:09The enemy wore everyday clothes. They look like everyday people. Narco terrorists are the same.
28:15They look like everyday people who are going out and doing bad things. Once again, the law of armed
28:20conflict is what our military members operate under. And it's just fascinating to see individuals to try
28:29and confuse this. Are you concerned that Secretary Hegseth may have committed a war crime in authorizing
28:40these strikes or that specific strike on September 2nd? No, because I believe we designated these
28:47individuals as a clear and present threat to the United States of America. We designated them,
28:52these narco terrorists, as a terrorist organization. Secretary Hegseth gave commanders intent.
28:59So then underneath that, we now have the leadership that delivers that. Admiral Mitch Bradley. I served
29:05directly under Mitch Bradley. I know him personally. He is the smartest. I am not kidding you.
29:11There is no exaggeration here. He is the smartest SEAL I ever met. Not only is he a SEAL, he is an
29:17academic. He was a graduate of the Naval Academy with a degree in both physics and mathematics. Went
29:22on to get a master's degree in physics. He was the individual who had execute authority. I guarantee
29:28he studied every aspect of the law of armed conflict. He studied the rules of engagement that led to this.
29:34When that strike was authorized, Mitch Bradley had the ability to authorize and do what was right and
29:41necessary. I hope I get to meet him someday. Thank you very much, Jason, for that insight. We really
29:47appreciate it. And coming up, a liberal media reporter gets faced by Trump's cabinet secretary. Next.
29:54When the New York Times invited Scott Besson to speak at its deal book conference on the same day
30:07that they ran an absurd story that he was somehow at risk of being on the outs with Trump. Well,
30:12they should have expected what was coming. I actually don't read the New York Times anymore.
30:18Occasionally, people send me articles and there's just this fever swamp. And you're
30:23you're now a pop historian with 1929. And in 20, 30, 40, 50 years, the New York Times is no longer the
30:32paper of record. You had what was the greatest, one of the greatest scandals of all time that the
30:39coverage of the Biden administration, Joe Biden's diminished capacity and the cover up. And that's
30:45why it's probably fair to raise these questions. Where was the New York Times? We just had a three hour
30:49cabinet meeting yesterday, Andrew. For 10 months, the Biden administration did not have a cabinet
30:55meeting. How are you going to invoke the 25th Amendment if the cabinet secretaries never see
31:02the president, which they didn't? That, you know, I hear from people in the Treasury building that I
31:07see President Trump more in a day than my predecessor saw Joe Biden in half a year.
31:14Now, the words mic drop have become hideously cliche, but they actually apply here.
31:21Do not tangle with Besant. Here to weigh in, Alex Marlow, Breitbart, editor in chief. Now, Alex,
31:27clearly what's going on here? Because the secretary of treasury was referencing all these stories about
31:34whether Hegg says on the ropes or Trump's in decline, that this is the narrative that's being
31:39peddled going into the midterms. But the Democrats have nothing about how they have plans to grow the
31:46economy. None of that, right? It's only Trump's in decline. Is this the right strategy going into
31:51the midterms? No, because the establishment media has been entirely discredited and they got even
31:56more discredited in this specific interview. Laura, you played my favorite clip. It's the 45 minute
32:01interview. It's a great interview. Everyone should watch it. You played my single favorite line to start
32:06which is when he says, I don't read the New York Times anymore. I used to read them. And then
32:10someone sends me articles every once in a while that I may have read. He's mocking them to their
32:15face. Even the last Trump administration, which was mostly pretty good, was always vying for positive
32:20coverage in the New York Times. Now you've got the treasury secretary, who's one of the most
32:24distinguished members of the cabinet, saying, I don't even care about you guys at all. And then he
32:28scolds them. He scolds them on not just getting Joe Biden's decline wrong, but also on how they got China
32:34wrong. He scolds them for how they did nothing to encourage the Biden administration to de-risk
32:39from China. It was a complete masterclass and he is just unbelievable. Yeah. And whether it's trying
32:45to like give off the record comments to Maggie Haberman at the New York Times or, or, you know,
32:50Bob Woodward at the Post, I mean, none of it ever works. And I think they've kind of learned that.
32:56But do you notice how Sorkin just glided past all the, the failures of the New York Times regarding
33:03Biden's health, Alex? You know, but then I say, is there any newspaper that's the paper of record
33:10anymore? I mean, that whole paper of record phraseology is out the window totally.
33:15No. And they've been neutralized. They've neutralized themselves. And so long as there
33:19are cabinet secretaries who are bold enough to call them out. And I guess, Laura, I had the privilege
33:24of sitting down with Secretary Besson for 40 minutes on my podcast last week. And I asked him
33:28about his unique ability to be able to beat these guys in arguments. I traced it back to his Yale
33:34days as a professor. And he was very complimentary of his students. He said, but, you know, I'd come in
33:38and I have facts. They have opinions. That's what he was doing with Andrew Ross Sorkin there. And he
33:44didn't, had no defense. He started arguing about rush hour four. Did you catch that? He's fighting
33:48with them about rush hour four. It was completely absurd. And Besson is really just so talented at this.
33:53No, he has a way of kind of flicking him off. Like, well, you're a pop historian now with
34:00his book. That was brutal. I mean, it was like, but he does it kind of in good fun too. But
34:08if you're going to have him on at a conference, you better be prepared. And it's kind of predictable
34:16that he's going to call you out on your coverage of Biden, right? And I think Sorkin at that point
34:22just needed to change the depends. I mean, I think that was just, I don't like, can I have an
34:26extra, extra pair? Alex, great to see you, my friend. We got to go. Sorry. Thanks. Thanks
34:31for coming on. All right. Coming up, Sabrina Carpenter is having some bad chem with the White
34:36House and they're firing back. Seen and Unseen with Raymond Arroyo next.
34:47It's time for Seen and Unseen, where we reveal the stories behind the headlines. For that,
34:50we turn to Fox News contributor Raymond Arroyo. All right, Raymond, the pop star Sabrina Carpenter
34:55is beefing, not briefing, but beefing with the White House.
34:59The White House released this deportation ad with Carpenter's song, Juno, running beneath it.
35:06Well, Carpenter's now saying, please, please stop. On X, she wrote, this video is evil and
35:12disgusting. Do not involve me or my music to benefit your inhumane agenda. The Trump administration
35:20hit back. Laura, the pop star White House spokesman, Abigail Jackson wrote, here's a short
35:24and sweet message for Sabrina Carpenter. We won't apologize for deporting dangerous criminals,
35:30illegal murderers, rapists, or pedophiles from our country. And Jackson quoted the singer's song,
35:35Man Child, writing, anyone who would defend these sick monsters must be stupid or is it slow? That's
35:42clever. Well, but Laura, this takes real guts, though, for Carpenter to raise the question of evil
35:47and disgusting videos. Two years ago, she essentially desecrated a Brooklyn Catholic church. Here's the
35:54video where she's writhing around the altar for one of her music videos. And the priest that allowed
36:00this was removed from administration. This is also the concert artist who at every show
36:06simulates oral sex with her dancers, the male dancers. But I guess none of that is evil or
36:12disgusting. The rule book has shifted. Ella Fitzgerald, Judy Garland, they all did that kind of,
36:18all the talent, they really, they kind of behave that way. But here's the curious thing that made me
36:23laugh. She's objecting to the government and law enforcement arresting illegals or people who've
36:29overstayed their visas or criminal aliens. But she at every concert does this bit where she arrests
36:36people in the audience for being too hot. Miss Piggy, Nicole Kidman, whoever, whatever celebs in the,
36:43here's Nicole Kidman, whoever celeb is in the audience. As a joke, she sends somebody down,
36:47they put, they put handcuffs on them and they take them away for being too hot. So I guess
36:52she's the only one who can arrest anybody. Don't they need tickets to get into her concert or it's
36:55all free? Anybody can walk in. Sabrina, let's open the floodgates, Sabrina. Why do you need to make
37:01money? Everyone should come in. Oh. Right? No, no discrimination. This is a good point. Just because
37:07you can pay Ticketmaster or one of these other, you know, seat geeks to get a, to get a seat at your
37:12concert? Those ticket prices are inhumane. I would say they're in, inhumane and, you know, even evil.
37:18All right, we're going to follow up on this. Yes, we will. This will be an Ingram follow-up. Now,
37:21okay, a slightly taller blonde, Hillary Clinton, spoke out about how young people are falling for pure
37:27propaganda on social media. Well, Ray, could she finally be making sense? Mm. Our students, smart,
37:36well-educated young people from our own country, from around the world, they were getting their
37:42information from social media, particularly TikTok. That's a serious problem. It's a serious
37:49problem for democracy, whether it's Israel or the United States, and it's a serious problem for our
37:53young people. And what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure
37:59propaganda. The lights are coming on for Hillary Clinton. I mean, you know, you remember several
38:06weeks ago we talked about this. There was that New Yorker piece about stupidity, the growing stupidity
38:11in America. The stupid culture. But she's really striking the same chord, which is this.
38:17You're listening to an ever-contracting group of stupid but loud voices, and the more you listen
38:23to them, the smaller, it's like a spin cycle of stupidity. I mean, you do get an algorithm that
38:28reinforces you. I mean, that's true. But we work for the First Amendment and free speech, and
38:32whatever your views are on Israel or the Middle East, let's, you know, everybody have it out.
38:36But you need pure information to make those determinations, and that is her point, and it's
38:40a good one. I don't really want her determining what misinformation is. Nor do I. Given their
38:45track record. Well, for a long term, her- Unless we're going to smash those blackberries.
38:49For a good long time. All right, Sam's saying we have to read.
38:50Okay, but I mean, her name was misinformation. But, Laura, so long as we're talking about former
38:56presidential candidates, Joe Biden has resurfaced in a video from Nebraska where he received a gift,
39:01or perhaps it was a final offering. A blanket is traditionally gifted in recognition of an
39:07individual's achievements and contributions to the community, and offers support for their
39:11future journey.
39:19He stood for the next 20 minutes looking like this. I mean, he, I think for a moment he fashioned
39:26himself as Chief Standing Bull. He was just standing there waiting for something to happen.
39:31He was full of bull. Well, I think he was. But, you know, the translation for that.
39:35I like the blind. This isn't a blind. I'm not trying to culturally disappropriate.
39:38Yeah, you look like you should be at the yacht club.
39:39I look like I should be Thurston Hell of the Thirds.
39:42Yeah, exactly. Love it. Love it.
39:43Love it. What do you think about? This is bad.
39:45What was her real name?
39:46This is on Instagram, by the way. They want to, I was thinking of wearing this today.
39:49Wait, wait, so you're pushing product during my segment? Is that what's happening?
39:51No, Sam said I looked. I'm not selling this.
39:53I looked like it was the 250th celebration, like I had this on, and it didn't look, it didn't look right.
39:59Scarves that can be matronly, can they?
40:01Yeah, they look a little, you look a little.
40:03Sam said, don't do the mic.
40:04Fuddy, duddy.
40:05No, that's a fuddy, duddy.
40:06That's horrible.
40:07But you know, here's what made me laugh.
40:09When they said, this is a gift, or for your journey into the future.
40:13What?
40:14That's Omaha tribe. Let me translate it for you.
40:16It means rest in peace, Joe. That's what that means.
40:18Journey into the future.
40:20For the journey into the future. Well, God bless them.
40:23But the blanket's a good gift for Biden in case he should suddenly doze off during the event.
40:27That's good. You can live right down.
40:29Throw it on, it's like in a Roosevelt kind of way.
40:31Just throw it over your legs.
40:32You put it over his legs.
40:33All right, Raymond.
40:33Thank you. Sam's saying we have to wrap.
40:36Go to my social media.
40:37Vote on the scarf.
40:38Oh, Jeff.
40:38And Jesse's next.
40:39Welcome.
40:57Let's go.
41:27All right there, Willow. Let's have a listen to that little heart.
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