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00:00Hello and welcome to Grand Designs Deconstructed, with me, Greg James, and Kevin MacLeod.
00:23Hello.
00:24It's a revisit week.
00:26You love this, don't you? You love a revisit, Greg.
00:28Obviously, yes, because you get to re-watch a classic and then you get an up-to-date, is it real?
00:36Did they like it? Do they live in it? How they adapted to the house and revisits. Why do you love them?
00:43I love them because when we've seen a finished film, when you've seen a finished project,
00:48it doesn't matter whether it's nearly done or fully done, what you don't really get is the story of the next chapter of the adventure.
00:55And actually, the adventure can go on forever. Subsequent generations can live in a building, add their own chapter.
01:01But the moment where a building stops drawing energy and starts to give it back is sort of the moment when we leave.
01:09And I love the fact that buildings can change in personality. They can weather like people.
01:14For me, the two big exciting metrics of the revisit are trees, because at the finals, you know, you go along and there's like five trees in a round that are this big,
01:23and you go back, they're enormous great things, taller than the house.
01:27And the other thing is children. Oh, my goodness.
01:30Little squirts, tiny little things, little babies, you know, who were once kind of just paddling around, you know,
01:37and not part of any story we were telling, really, are suddenly protagonists with their own lives,
01:43who can tell their own story of growing up in a building. And that is, that's what they're about.
01:48Well, that's a huge part of this episode. And we're looking forward to catching up with Stuart and Rosie.
01:51And if you're new to the podcast slash vodcast, then welcome.
01:56It's a show where we talk about the episode that's just been on TV, but also dive into the deeper bits of the show,
02:02the bits we don't get to normally see some of the behind the scenes elements of it.
02:05And I always like to start off with a question that's been on my mind for years.
02:09Now I get this privileged opportunity to chat to you about it.
02:13What's the most boring part of filming Grand Designs?
02:16I could say it's watching block work go up with cement mortar, because I've seen a lot of that.
02:24But it's not as interesting as watching it go up, then come down again,
02:27because people want to use it as a way of kind of quickly designing on the hoof.
02:29And even if somebody is building in block work, there's always the question about which blocks they're using,
02:34which switch, which size, are they laid side on up, what's the more to mix?
02:38You know, there's always something, there's always a conversation to be had.
02:41So no, I am going to say that the most boring bit is when we're waiting for something to happen.
02:48There's a plane going over, or somebody's started using a leaf blower next door,
02:53or there's an ambulance or a police siren, or there's a million reasons why you have to stop filming and wait.
02:58The motto of filming, at least certainly for us on location, is hurry up and wait.
03:03Because you're just literally, if you're recording underneath a flight path, say to Heathrow Airport,
03:09you've got sometimes, if you're lucky, 40 seconds, 45 seconds between planes.
03:13So you ask the question in that gap, and then you wait for the next plane to pass,
03:17which is two minutes, and then you do the next question.
03:20And there is that difficulty all the time of trying to deal with ambient noise, which you can't stop.
03:24We start, as we always do on Deconstructed, with a drinks pairing,
03:29related to the area, or the build, or the people.
03:32Yeah.
03:32And today, Kevin...
03:34This is my favourite bit, by the way, Greg.
03:37I'm revisiting something from my childhood.
03:40Really?
03:41And I've gone for something which is simple and everyday and unassuming.
03:44It's ginger beer.
03:46Also, from my childhood, I used to make it as a kid.
03:49Oh, is that ginger beer?
03:51Yeah, not ginger beer.
03:54No, ginger, sugar, water, Demijohn, magic of fermentation, mildly alcoholic.
03:59Who's Demijohn?
04:00I went to school with Demijohn.
04:02Same with Douglas Fir.
04:04Well, he was in the same class, yeah.
04:05Yeah, same, yeah, yeah.
04:05Look, it's a simple, everyday ginger beer.
04:08But just like Stuart and Rosie, they plonked a new layer on top of their bungalow,
04:14I've plonked some vanilla ice cream to go with their cladding on top of the ginger beer.
04:18Nice!
04:19It's divisive for some, much like their construction.
04:22Is this what you call a float?
04:24It's a float, exactly that.
04:25That's a good term for their house because it's got that floating semi-cantilever on the top, hasn't it?
04:31Am I supposed to use the straw?
04:32You can use the straw.
04:33You can scoop a bit of ice cream in.
04:36You just chug it.
04:37I did.
04:37Oh.
04:38It's all right.
04:39Imagine Kevin went around to your house and said, it's all right.
04:42The beginning of this film, the neighbor who objects to Stuart and Rosie's house,
04:48he says, it's going to look like a garden shed.
04:51This tastes a bit like a garden shed.
04:53I made it in a garden shed.
04:56We're both drinking it, I've noticed.
04:57Right, exactly, because it's a sweet treat.
05:00Let's talk about if you've quite finished.
05:02No.
05:03My straw's gone soggy.
05:07Are we throwing straws now?
05:09Well, if Kev does it, I'm doing it.
05:11Oh, hit the camera.
05:12Sorry.
05:13So, let's talk about the Wirral Peninsula.
05:17We're going to visit the house.
05:19We're going to chat to Stuart and Rosie a bit later on in this episode.
05:22And one of the reasons I think we love the revisits is because we're nosy
05:25and we just want to see what's going on.
05:28How's the family?
05:29Have they sorted out all the rifts?
05:30Are they made up with the builders?
05:33Does it all look brilliant now?
05:34You're in this incredible position of getting to chart people's lives.
05:39I love your directness, Greg.
05:41I don't use the word nosy.
05:43I talk about what a privilege it is to share this adventure
05:47that we all imagine we could go on.
05:49And so we enjoy the adventure vicariously through the exploits of others.
05:53In other words, we're just being nosy.
05:55You're right.
05:56It's a much better word.
05:57Did you like the house when it was unfinished?
06:00Yeah, I kind of did.
06:00I mean, I made a sort of play that...
06:02But you were joking.
06:03You were unusually honest about some of the breeze block stuff.
06:08I loved re-watching that bit because you said, I'd paint it.
06:12Well, I dance between liking it and not.
06:15And I think the thing about that approach is that it can be quite willful in a way
06:19and it can come to dominate.
06:21I mean, it's a building.
06:22It's a habitat.
06:23It's an environment.
06:23And in a way, the more we celebrate how we do it, the better.
06:27Whether I would paint it or not is irrelevant
06:29because that's just an expression of my taste.
06:31They wanted it bare and powerful.
06:34And that's the point,
06:35is that we should be always allowing for other people's taste.
06:37I've been dying to talk to you for years now about bungalow gobbling.
06:42I think it sounds slightly rude.
06:44Or it could be your wrestler name, the bungalow gobbler.
06:47Mercifully neither.
06:48Thanks.
06:49Is it real?
06:49Is it an industry term?
06:50Well, I don't know about industry.
06:51I met an architect around about 25, 30 years ago called Rod James.
06:56And we filmed one of his projects.
06:58He had an oak framing business.
06:59They did lots of houses with oak frames.
07:01And in fact, Rod, I think they have coined the term
07:04because he stuck a frame around an old bungalow
07:07and sort of hid the walls inside
07:09and kind of made a wider building using some of the original foundations.
07:12And that's sort of what it's come to mean, I think.
07:14The idea that you take a bungalow, you slice the roof off.
07:17First of all, the word bungalow.
07:19Had to look this up.
07:20It literally means in the Bengal style from that region of India.
07:25Right.
07:25Would be a single story with a satch roof on it,
07:28maybe a veranda all the way around.
07:29And adopted into the British language.
07:32Whenever I ask a builder what a bungalow is,
07:34they say, well, you just chuck up some walls and bungalow roof on it.
07:37Bingo.
07:37Where else are we going to be able to use that gag?
07:40The thing about bungalow gobbling is that the roof comes off.
07:44Sorry, you just caught me off guard by saying bungalow gobbling so seriously.
07:47The thing about bungalow gobbling, Greg, is...
07:50Okay, the difficulty with bungalow gobbling.
07:52Well...
07:52I mean, the hard thing.
07:53The challenges of bungalow...
07:55Doing it all in one bite.
07:58It's very difficult.
08:00Bungalow gobbling.
08:02Stop saying it.
08:03Heaven's sake.
08:05So, anybody wanting to gobble a bungalow...
08:07Anyway, the difficulty with bungalow gobbling is...
08:13So, the principle of bungalow gobbling is you take an existing bungalow,
08:17you slice the roof off, you use maybe some of the walls,
08:20you certainly use the foundations,
08:21and you try and build around it and you sort of encase it
08:24and essentially you're using a combination of foundations
08:27and some of the structure to just save yourself some money
08:30and importantly so you don't have to get into the ground
08:33so you're always building out of the ground.
08:35It turns out that most bungalows are built on really pretty good foundations
08:39and that when assessed they can be reused and repurposed
08:42and given a new top story and there's some amazing examples around
08:45which you wouldn't recognise
08:46because you'd think there were contemporary fabulous pavilions
08:49with great big overarching and overselling cantilevers.
08:52So, like Stuart and Rosie's house.
08:54So, really it's a lot cheaper and more straightforward
08:58to build on what you already have
09:01instead of ripping everything out and starting with a dust bowl.
09:04Well, they do say that once you're out of the ground
09:06you know how much money you're spending
09:08and until that point you have no idea
09:10because the groundwork can swallow up so much.
09:13And the other point is that, of course,
09:16you're using the embodied carbon
09:18that's in all of that concrete in situ in place.
09:21So, it's a really expedient way of taking the shell of an existing building
09:26which might be really low performing
09:27and may have permission to build up another story
09:30which is what Rosie and Stuart did have
09:32and you extend and adapt
09:34and all the time you're saving money
09:35you're a little bit more secure in the knowledge of what you're spending
09:38and you're saving carbon.
09:40There's lots of really impressive things about this entire family
09:43but Stuart and Rosie managed to double their living space
09:46and do it for £175,000.
09:49How is that doable?
09:50I don't know.
09:51I mean, I really don't know
09:53because these days, post-COVID,
09:56you certainly couldn't do it for that
09:58not least because materials have gone up so much in the past five years.
10:03At the time they were building, things were a bit cheaper
10:06and rather neatly what they did was
10:09rather than extend the building in every direction
10:11they used the foundations of what the bungalow had
10:13and then pushed a cantilever out at first floor level
10:17which only required one strut on some foundations
10:20but just in one place
10:21so that was really expedient.
10:24Yeah, I just think they're also, they're makers
10:25and they're doers and they're shakers
10:27and they had the kit and the tools
10:29and they had the business working in timber already
10:31so for them it was a big extension of what they were doing already.
10:34It was a big idea that grew out of their own skill sets.
10:37I want to ask you about the difference between industrial and unfinished.
10:43Fine line.
10:44They're not the same thing, right?
10:47So in an industrial setting,
10:49you might expect to find all of your electrical conduits
10:53in one-inch galvanized pipe
10:57with massive great throw switches
11:00and you'd be spending a fortune on your second fix, wouldn't you?
11:02Do you know what I mean?
11:03Whereas electricians domestically use plastic rectangular conduit
11:07that looks crap
11:08and you don't want to see on show
11:09and actually sometimes the industrial finish
11:12which is much more robust can be much more expensive.
11:14I wasn't sure about the use of scaffolding
11:17and then I was at the end.
11:19I liked it.
11:20What I find really interesting is that the kitchen
11:22which at the end of the first film when it was finished,
11:25the kitchen was done
11:25and it was done very well with scaffolding,
11:28with galvanized stuff
11:29and lengths of beautiful plywood
11:31which they'd shaped in their workshop.
11:33Super cheap, super accessible
11:35and I thought going back,
11:37we'd have just stood the test of time.
11:39It's still there and it looks great.
11:40So I'd say, yeah,
11:42I think the table and the benches around it
11:45are still scaffolding.
11:47That is again a mark of the success of it
11:50that nothing stands out and looks too willful.
11:53It just looks great in the space
11:55and you accept it and think, it's fine.
11:56It does. I like it. It's playful.
11:58Yeah.
11:58Having your kitchen table on huge industrial wheels
12:01is quite fun.
12:02And who wouldn't fancy the idea
12:04of building a kitchen for two grand?
12:06I think we need a break.
12:07Yeah.
12:07And also we're going to speak to Stuart and Rosie
12:09in the next bit of Deconstructed.
12:11So give me something,
12:12as we've been doing all series,
12:14give me a Kevin MacLeod way into the ad break, please.
12:17Okay.
12:18Rosie and Stuart have run out of money.
12:20Rosie and Stuart have run out of money.
12:22The scaffolding is down from the building
12:23and it looks magnificent.
12:25The scaffolding is down from the building
12:27and it looks magnificent.
12:28So why is the house still full of scaffolding?
12:30So why is the house still full of scaffolding?
12:34We'll see you after the break.
12:35Welcome back to Grand Designs Deconstructed
12:46with me, Greg James, and Kevin MacLeod
12:49as we revisit the Wirral.
12:52And Stuart and Rosie, they're ready to go.
12:54Shall we get them on the laptop?
12:54Yeah, let's get them on the machine.
12:57Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
12:59Stuart, Rosie, hello.
13:01Hello.
13:01Hello, both of you.
13:03How are you?
13:03I'm very well.
13:04Now, I'm really pleased that you're in the room
13:07that I can see here
13:08because it was immediately the best bit for me
13:11because it's got the collection of music
13:13and it's got all the old hi-fi equipment.
13:15This is a collection of vintage hi-fi
13:17that has come from,
13:19unfortunately, we lost our parents,
13:22three of our four parents,
13:23fairly recently, the last couple of years.
13:24And this is some of my dad's, some of Rosie's dad's,
13:26some of mine,
13:28and some I've bought just to, you know, pad it out a little bit.
13:30So one day I'm going to sit down and connect it all up
13:33and start listening.
13:34It looks lovely
13:35and it's a lovely load of heirlooms to have.
13:37Yeah, so is this space up top?
13:39Is this your go-to snug, the adult space?
13:42The Precious Things room.
13:44It's known as...
13:44These are all the precious things
13:46that have come into the house, you see.
13:48Yeah, I've tried getting the kids interested in,
13:50you know, all this technology
13:51and they're interested for a few minutes,
13:53but they don't really want to sit down
13:55and actually listen to records or cassettes,
13:57let alone reel-to-reel recordings from,
13:59you know, the 1970s.
14:00So, yes, they tend to go down
14:02to where the technology is more modern.
14:04Is that your favourite room to go to?
14:06Is this the go-to relaxation area?
14:08In the winter, this room is slightly better
14:10because it's slightly warmer than the downstairs room.
14:13So we tend to kind of be up here in the winter.
14:15It's a bit cosier.
14:16The music stuff is kind of relatively new,
14:18but I think that'll help us this winter
14:19cos the downstairs room hasn't even got any curtains.
14:22So it's a bit bleak down there in midwinter.
14:25It didn't seem bleak when I was there.
14:28Bleak.
14:28So here's the thing, right?
14:29Most of us go through life acquiring stuff.
14:31Some of us might decide
14:32we just want to buy everything.
14:33You suddenly inherit all this stuff
14:36from your folks, right?
14:37Does it sometimes feel
14:39as though you're acquiring, building...
14:41There's more volume,
14:42there's more stuff to look after,
14:43there's more possessions in your world
14:45than you might feel comfortable with?
14:47Or are you settling into that comfortably?
14:50It is a danger
14:51that you start making space to put the stuff
14:55rather than worrying about
14:56whether you want the stuff at all.
14:58My main problem is hoarding building materials,
15:01length of wood, bits of pipe,
15:03boxes full of old brackets I've taken out of things,
15:06you know, screws I've taken out of things.
15:07And I've had to be really ruthless about that
15:09because as the house has become finished,
15:11all my storage areas disappear.
15:12And I've now got sort of a nice big metal shed
15:15in the garden, which is rammed.
15:16And I'm not having anyone touch that.
15:18So that's set, you know?
15:20It's full, it's fine.
15:21Everything's staying exactly where it is.
15:23And I've had to give up
15:24all my little nooks and crannies in the house.
15:27And I understand why I've had to do that.
15:29Poor boy.
15:29It's been painful.
15:30Poor boy.
15:32This is not scratching an itch.
15:33This is all about rubbing salt.
15:35But I'm very aware that, you know,
15:37I can't just keep accepting interesting things
15:39the way I used to.
15:40Rosie, can we have your take on that?
15:41Whatever Stu says, yeah.
15:45No, he's been very good.
15:47He has been very good.
15:48And there are worse things that a boy can do
15:50that hoard building material.
15:51Yeah.
15:52I think.
15:54Well, eventually it comes good.
15:55And the last bathroom I fit in
15:57was Molly's bathroom upstairs.
15:59And I actually had every single thing I needed
16:01in stock when I started that room.
16:03I had grout, I had adhesive,
16:05I had bits of wood for this,
16:06for the frame, for brackets.
16:07I had half a tin of paint left over,
16:09which was just enough.
16:10It was a real triumphant moment.
16:12Oh, I love that.
16:13That you made it out of stuff you'd saved,
16:15which validates your argument.
16:17But that's the great thing about this build,
16:18is that you made the most of all the things
16:20that you already had.
16:22Yeah.
16:22That initially caused a little bit of consternation
16:24from some of the locals,
16:26but it looks beautiful.
16:27It looks brilliant.
16:28Has the reaction been good locally?
16:30People are looking at it as like,
16:31oh my God, it's the Grand Designs house, surely.
16:34Well, we look exactly the same as we did nine years ago.
16:36So people are very bored with us now.
16:38I think a lot of it was
16:39that people just didn't understand what we were doing.
16:41They thought we were building an office
16:42or we were building up two stories
16:44and then we were going to put a pitch roof on
16:46and the whole thing was going to be huge.
16:48And, you know, I think once they realised
16:50that it was actually just a modern looking house,
16:51but it wasn't ridiculously big or anything,
16:54everyone calmed down.
16:54And it was like, okay, well, fine, carry on.
16:58We're talking about your kids, Ben and Molly.
17:01And one of the things that I keep saying to Kevin
17:03about this show and why it's so magnificent
17:06as a bit of TV is because it's been going for so long.
17:09You've got this amazing time capsule
17:10and you can look back at how builds happened,
17:14but also how families have developed.
17:15And it must be really nice for you
17:16to have record of Ben and Molly when they were little
17:19and you can show them those bits
17:21and I'm sure they've watched it back
17:22and cringed at certain things,
17:24but it's sort of a lovely part of your family history
17:26as well, isn't it, that's been documented?
17:27It is. It's really interesting
17:28because when we agreed to do the show
17:30and Kevin's first visit,
17:31we hadn't at that point decided
17:32if we were going to include the kids
17:34because they were quite little
17:35and we were a bit like,
17:36not sure how they'd feel about it.
17:38And it was Kevin who actually said,
17:40entirely up to you guys if you want to or not,
17:42but it will be the most expensive home movie
17:44you ever get made.
17:45And if you don't include them,
17:46you might look back and regret it.
17:48You're so wise, Kevin,
17:49because it is exactly that.
17:51It's a lovely record of it.
17:53It was just a manipulative con.
17:55I'm aware of that too, yes.
17:57I'm aware of that.
17:57But you did it so nicely.
17:59Well, I really liked the bit
18:00in the original episode
18:02where you were making the children
18:04lay the underfloor heating.
18:06They were quite uncomfortable
18:08to click down into the trays
18:09of that particular system we were using.
18:11You know, and it hurts your hands
18:12after a while and your feet,
18:13so you tell the children
18:14it's a wonderful game,
18:15round they scamper,
18:17and, you know, jobs are good.
18:18Who can do it the fastest, kids?
18:21We talk about the passage of time,
18:22but actually one of the big things
18:24about your episode
18:25and then the revisit
18:26is that it did take you a long time,
18:29but you were comfortable with that.
18:30But also, financially,
18:32you had to take that amount of time.
18:33But would you have wanted to have rushed?
18:35Because it felt like it all happened
18:37for a reason.
18:38You know, then the kids got involved
18:40because they grew up
18:41around this build as well.
18:42So maybe it all was supposed
18:43to work out as it did.
18:44We definitely didn't have the budget
18:46at the start to do the complete job.
18:47We knew that.
18:48We'd done a couple of planning permissions.
18:50We got a couple of schemes
18:51sort of planned out.
18:52But we realised that what we needed to do
18:54was create the maximum volume we could
18:56that gave us all the space
18:58we would eventually want.
18:59And we built the shell
19:00as well as we could.
19:01And we got it looking good
19:02from the outside,
19:03all clad, rendered, nice windows.
19:06And then we thought,
19:06the inside can just happen as and when.
19:08You know, we're not in any burning hurry.
19:09It can take some time.
19:11And, you know, it'll take a couple of years,
19:12maybe, we thought,
19:13and then we'd all become good.
19:15But nine years has gone by
19:17and it's spread out
19:18a little bit longer than we expected.
19:20Yeah, but a lot of life happens
19:22as well, doesn't it?
19:23And as well as the finances
19:24meant that we couldn't do it.
19:26My dad was really poorly.
19:28He had motor neurone disease.
19:29We decided we were going to pause everything
19:30to help look after him.
19:31And, you know, that's a decision
19:32that we don't regret
19:33because you don't get that time back.
19:35And Sue's mum was poorly
19:37and she had a stroke.
19:38She came to live with us for six months.
19:39So again, that pauses it.
19:41But you kind of keep going, don't you?
19:42You keep going at the pace
19:43that suits the family
19:44and suits everything else
19:45that's going on
19:46and you try not kill yourselves
19:48in the meantime
19:48and have a bit of a laugh with it.
19:50And I think if we'd gone hell for leather,
19:52if we'd found a way
19:52to raise the money to do it,
19:54it would have been
19:55a lot more stressful,
19:56wouldn't it, really,
19:57to try and knock it out?
19:59You gobbled that bungalow good
20:00and you did it beautifully.
20:02Yeah.
20:02It hasn't repeated.
20:05There's no bungalow burps.
20:08No indigestion.
20:11Well, Stuart, Rosie,
20:13I think we should leave it there
20:14and let you get back
20:15to your wonderful house.
20:16And thank you so much for your time.
20:17And I hope you have many, many,
20:19many happy years in it.
20:20It's a really great place.
20:21Hey, and it was great to see you again.
20:23Absolutely lifted my spirits.
20:25We had such a good time.
20:26Thanks, guys.
20:27Bless you both.
20:27See you soon.
20:28Bye.
20:29Bye.
20:29Oh, so nice.
20:31So nice.
20:32I mean, you know,
20:32their personality
20:33is all over that building.
20:34The family's personality
20:36is all over the building,
20:37which is what I love.
20:38I love chatting to Stuart and Rosie.
20:39Really nice.
20:40And we're running out of time
20:41on Deconstructed.
20:42We have a few questions for you,
20:44though, before we go.
20:44Oh, love those.
20:45Gemma says,
20:46I don't know anything about building,
20:48but what three technical words
20:50can I use
20:50when my builder next comes around
20:52to try and impress them?
20:53Oh, Gemma,
20:53that's such a good question,
20:56isn't it?
20:56Yeah.
20:57Here's a word
20:57you shouldn't use, Gemma,
20:59and it's breeze block.
21:01Breeze is a material
21:02that comes out
21:02of coal-fired power stations.
21:03Oh.
21:04Right?
21:04Concrete blocks
21:05is what they are.
21:06Also available
21:06in different weights,
21:08as in different densities
21:10to support different loads, right?
21:12So the best three words
21:14I can think of
21:16is actually one phrase,
21:17and it's a seven-Newton block.
21:19If all you say
21:20to your builder is,
21:21oh, I see that lintel running there.
21:23What's supporting that?
21:23Is that a seven-Newton block
21:24construction you've got?
21:25Well, you're in.
21:27One final question from Amy.
21:29She says,
21:30what do you do
21:31when you're in a remote location?
21:33Do you bring your own sandwiches?
21:35I'm imagining Paddington.
21:38Yeah, our bless.
21:39But do you bring your own food?
21:40You've got a little pat lunchbox.
21:41Well, obviously,
21:41my favourite locations
21:42and projects
21:43are those with the best local pub.
21:45That's a really important thing
21:46where you can get
21:46the best possible nourishment
21:48we can wherever we are.
21:49Although we don't have
21:50a catering unit or chefs,
21:52actually the person
21:53who's been running the show
21:54and coordinating everything
21:56for the past 20 years
21:57is called Amy.
21:59And I'm just beginning to think
22:00that this is her bid
22:01to try and reduce costs.
22:03All the questions
22:04have been from Amy.
22:05There are no listeners.
22:05The question is implying
22:07that we won't be going
22:08to the pub anymore
22:09and we'll have to bring
22:09our own sandwiches.
22:10I think so.
22:11And one more from me.
22:13Do you have a go-to snack?
22:15What are you snacking
22:15between takes?
22:16What's inside your jacket pocket?
22:17Yeah, sometimes I might do
22:19a little bit of a vegan protein bar.
22:20Or currently,
22:21the thing I like most, right?
22:22Really high protein
22:23plus a little bit of carbohydrate.
22:25Chocolate-covered dried peas.
22:29You're an enigma, Kevin MacLeod.
22:30You have got to try them.
22:32I will.
22:33They're super more-ish.
22:34I will.
22:34So much so that I've eaten
22:36my daily supply today.
22:37I can't offer you any.
22:38Well, whatever you're doing,
22:39it's working.
22:40Kevin, thank you for your time.
22:41Thank you for your insight.
22:42And thank you for bringing
22:43that brilliant project
22:44back into our lives
22:45because it was a fantastic revisited.
22:47Thanks again to Rosie and to Stuart.
22:48And we'll be back next week
22:50with another Grand Designs Deconstructed.
22:53And it's another Revisited.
22:55We'll see you then.
22:56Well, next week is the very last episode
22:58of Grand Designs in the current series.
23:00Another Revisited, as Greg says.
23:03It's going to be followed
23:03by Deconstructed once again.
23:06And you can find every episode,
23:08more or less,
23:09of Grand Designs ever made
23:10on the Channel 4 website
23:12and find a wonderful selection
23:13also on YouTube.
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