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Comissário Europeu para a Migração: Precisamos de recuperar a confiança dos cidadãos
O Comissário Europeu para a Migração, Magnus Brunner, considera que o novo Pacto em matéria de Migração e Asilo está no bom caminho para resolver uma questão que tem vindo a alimentar o populismo há muitos anos.
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O Comissário Europeu para a Migração, Magnus Brunner, considera que o novo Pacto em matéria de Migração e Asilo está no bom caminho para resolver uma questão que tem vindo a alimentar o populismo há muitos anos.
LEIA MAIS : http://pt.euronews.com/2025/12/02/comissario-europeu-para-a-migracao-precisamos-de-recuperar-a-confianca-dos-cidadaos
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02:34O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:36O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:38O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:40O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:42O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:44O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:46O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:47O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:48O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:49O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:50O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
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02:53O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:54O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:55O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:56O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:57O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:58O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
02:59O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
03:00O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
03:01O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
03:02O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
03:03O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
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03:06O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
03:07O que faz seu trabalho tão difícil?
03:09que eu totalmente entendo.
03:12É por isso que nós precisamos de novas regras.
03:15É por isso que a regulação é muito importante.
03:18E sim, há possibilidades para os Estados-membros
03:21para olhar para novos soluções,
03:23novos, inovadoras soluções,
03:25e o retorno-hubs é um deles.
03:28Então, pavendo a caminho,
03:30fazendo o framework e fazendo isso possível
03:33para os Estados-membros
03:34para olhar para possibilidades como o retorno-hubs
03:38é importante, e isso é o que fizemos com o retorno-regulado.
03:41Mas você não quer a Comissão da Comissão
03:42para negociar em nome de todos os Estados-membros?
03:44Não, nós podemos suportar eles, claro,
03:46quando se trata de acordo com os Estados-membros
03:47com os Estados-membros,
03:48onde colocamos a migração também na mesa.
03:51A diplomacia da migração é importante,
03:53mas, claro, quando se trata de acordo com concreto
03:56de acordo com os Estados-membros
03:58para negociar isso,
04:00eles têm de enviar o acordo com o acordo
04:03para que nós nos mandamos o acordo,
04:03de acordo com os Estados-membros
04:04para garantir que todas as legislações
04:07são feitas e todas as funções são feitas.
04:11Isso é importante,
04:12os segredos que estão lá,
04:14mas é para os Estados-membros
04:16para discutir.
04:17O que é bom, eu acho,
04:18e o que faz-me optimista,
04:20é que alguns Estados-membros
04:22trabalham juntos lá
04:23e tentam encontrar
04:25soluções comuns,
04:27que é bom,
04:28e nós apoiamos isso como Comissão.
04:29Então, sob as novas regras,
04:30EU-membros devem distribuir
04:32entre as mesmas
04:33at least 30,000
04:34asylum-seekers
04:35por ano,
04:36ou pagar
04:38dinheiro,
04:39fazer uma contribuição financeira.
04:41O que acontece
04:42se todos os países
04:43optam
04:43por essa segunda opção?
04:45Bem, vamos ver.
04:46Eu só entregamos
04:47o ciclo de solidariedade,
04:49o mecanismo,
04:50dois meses atrás,
04:52onde definimos
04:54qual Estado-membros
04:55está sob o que pressão.
04:57Todos os Estados-membros
04:58têm diferentes desafios,
04:59e todos os Estados-membros
05:00estão sob o que pressão,
05:00mas, claro,
05:01em diferentes maneiras.
05:03Os Estados-membros
05:03front-membros têm
05:04um desafio diferente
05:05do que os Estados-membros
05:06com a migração
05:07secundária,
05:08por exemplo.
05:09Então,
05:09nós tentamos,
05:10e temos claras
05:11reglas sobre isso
05:12no PEC.
05:13É um mecanismo
05:15claro,
05:15e isso é o que
05:16nós apresentamos
05:16duas semanas
05:17para os Estados-membros,
05:19para o Conselho,
05:19e agora é o Conselho
05:20para decidir também.
05:22E isso é,
05:22para a sua pergunta,
05:24é o que
05:25as negociações
05:26entre os Estados-membros
05:27e também,
05:28em que direção
05:29eles estão indo,
05:30mas para o Conselho
05:31para decidir,
05:32hopefully,
05:33em Dezembro,
05:34já,
05:35no Solidarity Circle.
05:37I mean,
05:38the question
05:38was,
05:38of course,
05:38a little provocative.
05:40Not every country
05:41will do that,
05:42but we have
05:42two countries,
05:43Poland and Hungary,
05:44who have already said,
05:45we're not taking
05:46any asylum seekers,
05:47we're not paying
05:47any money.
05:48So,
05:48what are the consequences
05:49if this happens?
05:51Well,
05:51just take Poland
05:52as an example.
05:53Poland is under pressure,
05:54of course,
05:55because they are
05:55in the eastern border side,
05:57hybrid threats
05:58coming from Russia
05:59and the Belarusian side,
06:01I saw that firsthand
06:02when visiting
06:03the Polish-Belorussian border,
06:05saw that migrants
06:05are actually used
06:06as a weapon,
06:07as a hybrid weapon
06:08against the European Union,
06:09so we see
06:10that they are
06:11under pressure,
06:12of course,
06:13and also,
06:14they took a lot
06:14of Ukrainians,
06:16so they were very
06:17helpful there as well,
06:18they integrated
06:19very well
06:19in their labor market,
06:21so they did
06:21a very good job
06:22and we acknowledge
06:23that they are
06:24under pressure,
06:24so Poland
06:25doesn't have to
06:27take any migrants,
06:28so there's no worries
06:29about that.
06:30And Hungary?
06:31Well, Hungary
06:32is a different topic
06:34because Hungary
06:35decided or told us
06:36not to take part
06:37in the pact implementation,
06:41but then they don't
06:42benefit on the other side,
06:43so either you take part,
06:44then you benefit
06:45from the solidarity
06:46if you are
06:47under pressure,
06:48and as I said before,
06:50it's not perfect,
06:51but Hungary
06:52could also benefit
06:53from the pact
06:54and the whole
06:54European Union
06:55benefits from the pact
06:56because we have
06:57better external
06:59border protection,
06:59we have safer borders,
07:03we have asylum procedures
07:04at the borders already,
07:06that's actually what
07:07all member states
07:07ask for
07:08and what the pact
07:09delivers.
07:10Hopefully Hungary
07:10will also look into it
07:11and look into the benefits
07:13they have from
07:14implementing the pact
07:15on the one hand,
07:16but also from the other
07:17regulations
07:17and legislations
07:19we delivered already.
07:20So, illegal immigration
07:22in the EU,
07:23and that's what
07:23we're talking about here,
07:24fell by 35%
07:26between 2024
07:27and 2025,
07:29and there has been
07:30a 95% decline
07:32on the western
07:32Balkan route alone,
07:34and according to
07:35the Austrian government,
07:37for example,
07:38illegal migration
07:39is currently hovering
07:40at around 0%.
07:42What has led
07:44to these numbers?
07:45Is irregular migration
07:46still an emergency?
07:49It is still,
07:50of course,
07:50yes.
07:51Numbers are going down,
07:52that's good,
07:52that makes us optimistic
07:53also,
07:54you mentioned the numbers,
07:5635% in general
07:58in the last year.
07:58That is even before
07:59the new pact
07:59is being implemented.
08:00Yes,
08:01but we send signals
08:02already,
08:02and we have agreements
08:04with third countries
08:06as well,
08:07and that's exactly
08:07the point.
08:08On the one hand,
08:09it's the stability,
08:10of course,
08:10in countries like Syria,
08:12for instance,
08:13that helps,
08:14of course,
08:14that helps.
08:15And then also
08:15agreements with
08:17third countries.
08:18Just to give you
08:18an example,
08:19Mauritania,
08:20for instance.
08:20We have an agreement
08:21with Mauritania,
08:22and the numbers
08:23were going down
08:24immediately.
08:25And now we have
08:26zero departures
08:27coming from Mauritania,
08:28just to give an example.
08:29We have other challenges,
08:30of course,
08:31and other challenging
08:32countries,
08:33but it helps.
08:34So bringing our
08:36European house
08:37in order
08:37is the first step.
08:38That's what we have
08:39to do
08:39with implementing
08:40the pact
08:40with the return
08:41regulation
08:42with the safe country
08:43and others.
08:45And then
08:45the next step
08:46is the external
08:47dimension,
08:48negotiating
08:48with third countries
08:49and putting
08:50migration
08:50on the table
08:51when it comes
08:52to comprehensive
08:53agreements
08:54with third countries.
08:55Despite all
08:55these positive
08:56developments
08:56that you just
08:57described,
08:58migration is
09:00still a
09:01massive
09:03discontent
09:04among citizens.
09:05and it still
09:06drives
09:07election
09:07campaigns.
09:09How do you
09:09explain that?
09:10Has migration
09:11policy become
09:12a political
09:12punching bag?
09:14Well,
09:14you can see
09:15and what you
09:16mentioned
09:16is,
09:17of course,
09:17completely correct
09:18that it's
09:19at the heart
09:19of everyone.
09:20It's a topic
09:21where everyone
09:21is,
09:22of course,
09:23worried about
09:25also,
09:25which I totally
09:26understand
09:26because ten
09:27years ago
09:28the European
09:29Union and
09:29Europe all
09:30together
09:30took a lot
09:31of responsibility
09:32when we had
09:32the crisis
09:33in Syria.
09:34a lot of
09:35responsibility
09:36but we didn't
09:36have any
09:37rules.
09:37We didn't
09:38have a system,
09:39we didn't
09:39have control
09:40over what is
09:41happening in
09:41the European
09:42Union and
09:43now with
09:43this pact,
09:44with the
09:44new legislation
09:45all together,
09:46we try to get
09:47control back
09:48and what
09:50your question
09:50is in the
09:51direction your
09:52question was
09:52going,
09:53we need the
09:53trust of the
09:54people back
09:55and with
09:55having control,
09:56with having
09:57rules,
09:59with having a
09:59system,
10:00we try to get
10:01the trust of
10:02the people back
10:02between the
10:03member states
10:04also, but
10:04also to the
10:05people in
10:06Europe and
10:06to the
10:07citizens in
10:07Europe.
10:08Well, same
10:08with Schengen,
10:09right?
10:10Whenever there
10:10were some
10:11migration issues,
10:12some countries
10:12closed the
10:13borders immediately.
10:15Is that
10:15trust building
10:16as well?
10:16Is that the
10:17way forward
10:17here if
10:18Schengen
10:18becomes a
10:19thing you
10:20can pick
10:20whenever you
10:21want?
10:21No, of
10:22course, Schengen
10:22has to work
10:23and I think
10:23Schengen is
10:24one of the
10:25best examples
10:27how Europe
10:27can work,
10:28the best
10:28achievements we
10:29have in Europe
10:30and it has
10:31to work.
10:32What can
10:32we do to
10:33make it
10:34work again
10:34is exactly
10:36implementing
10:37the Pact
10:37because in
10:37the Pact
10:38we have
10:38the protection
10:40of our
10:40external borders
10:41that is key
10:42to get rid
10:43of the
10:43internal
10:44border controls
10:45and that's
10:45what the
10:46member states
10:46know of
10:46course.
10:47There was
10:48pressure in
10:49the last
10:49years so
10:51I totally
10:51understand that
10:52some member
10:52states had
10:53to take
10:54measures there
10:55as well
10:55with internal
10:55border controls
10:56but our
10:57aim
10:58altogether
10:59is of
11:00course to
11:00get rid of
11:01these internal
11:01border controls
11:02to make
11:03Schengen work
11:03and Schengen
11:05is something
11:06which of
11:06course has
11:07to be
11:07developed
11:07all the
11:08time.
11:08We have
11:08to keep
11:09Schengen
11:09going and
11:10growing also
11:11and it's
11:12still very
11:13I would say
11:14very interesting
11:15also for
11:16new
11:16participants
11:17of the
11:18Schengen
11:18area like
11:19we had
11:19Romania
11:20and Bulgaria
11:21just joining
11:21we had
11:22Croatia
11:22joining so
11:23a lot of
11:24member states
11:25want to
11:25join the
11:26Schengen
11:26area which
11:27is great
11:28which is a
11:28good sign
11:29because it's
11:29about free
11:30movement
11:30it's about
11:31better
11:31economic
11:33growth also
11:35but we have
11:36to make
11:37sure that we
11:38protect our
11:38external borders
11:39and that's
11:39what the
11:40pact is all
11:41about and
11:42giving the
11:42member states
11:43in this
11:43case
11:44the trust
11:45back that
11:45we have
11:46control over
11:47who comes
11:48into the
11:48European
11:48Union and
11:49who leaves
11:49the
11:50European
11:50Union
11:50also
11:51and just
11:52to mention
11:53one thing
11:53on the
11:53pact because
11:54that's also
11:55very important
11:55our entry
11:56exit system
11:57we didn't
11:57know in
11:58the last
11:59years who
11:59actually on
12:00a digital
12:01basis who
12:01comes into
12:02the European
12:02Union when
12:03and where and
12:04who leaves
12:04it again
12:04and now with
12:06the entry
12:06exit system
12:07which we
12:07just introduced
12:08and started
12:09five weeks
12:10ago where we
12:11already have
12:12more than
12:138 million
12:13registrations
12:14in the first
12:15five weeks
12:15which is a good
12:17sign so for the
12:18first time we
12:18know who
12:19actually comes
12:20into the
12:20European Union
12:21when and
12:21where and
12:22then who
12:23leaves the
12:23European Union
12:24again when
12:25and where
12:25that is
12:26important because
12:27that's how
12:28we get that
12:29hopefully get
12:30the trust
12:30back because
12:31we have
12:31control over
12:33what is
12:33happening
12:33one hot
12:34topic
12:35especially in
12:36Germany is
12:37the repatriation
12:38of people
12:38from Afghanistan
12:39and what is
12:40controversial
12:40here is the
12:42fact that the
12:42government needs
12:43to talk to the
12:44Taliban in
12:45Afghanistan
12:46the new rulers
12:47where do you
12:47come down on
12:48this is it
12:49legitimate to
12:50talk with the
12:50Taliban in order
12:52to get people
12:53home we have to
12:54to differentiate
12:55between acknowledging
12:57that there is a
12:58government respecting
13:00the government
13:00which we don't do
13:01but not getting
13:03engaged with third
13:04countries even though
13:05we don't like their
13:06governments and the
13:07way they're doing
13:07things is still
13:09important so on a
13:10technical level I
13:11totally understand and
13:12we support that as a
13:13commission as well
13:14our people our
13:15experts were there in
13:17Kabul also to to talk
13:19about possibilities
13:20because not getting
13:21engaged means it
13:23doesn't get better
13:24so yes it's not fun
13:26it's not easy but not
13:29getting engaged is not
13:30an option so yes I do
13:31think we have to talk
13:33to these countries even
13:34we don't of course
13:36recognize them as a
13:37government but we have
13:39to talk to them no
13:40option not to talk so
13:42it is necessary to talk
13:44to countries that have
13:45a bad track record oh
13:47yes it is still
13:47necessary on a technical
13:48level as I said we do
13:50that some number say
13:51member states do it with
13:52Afghanistan for instance
13:54and we had this
13:55examples with criminals
13:56and posing a security
13:58threat to the European
14:00Union to member states
14:01and I think it's legitimate
14:03to to send them back and
14:05to find solutions with
14:07these these regions or
14:10countries to find solutions
14:12to to get them back to
14:14their countries yeah let's
14:15take a step back now and
14:17and and and talk about the
14:19future of migration and how
14:21you see it because getting
14:25people back is one thing is
14:27also the fact that we need
14:28people we need skilled labor
14:30just to keep our countries
14:33safe and prosperous how do
14:35you think about that should
14:37Europe approach countries
14:39like Australia and Canada
14:40with quota systems etc and
14:42then they select certain
14:44professions that they need
14:46rather than than others yes
14:48we have to distinguish
14:50between the illegal migration
14:52part which we have to do
14:53everything to fight against
14:54because it's a business in the
14:56meantime for smugglers for
14:58human traffickers and that's
14:59what we have to fight against
15:00so that's the illegal migration
15:02part no doubt about that but
15:04then of course we have the
15:05legal migration part and we
15:06need legal migration for our
15:08labor markets of course as you
15:10as you mentioned rightly so
15:12finding legal pathways to come
15:14to Europe but that it's us to
15:16decide who comes into the
15:18European Union and not the
15:19smugglers and the traffickers that
15:21that is I think key and then of
15:23course we have some humanitarian
15:24responsibility also of course when
15:27it comes to asylum seekers of
15:29people who aren't whose life is
15:31in danger who are threatened by
15:34death in their countries of
15:36course there we have another
15:37obligation but distinguishing
15:39between those three topics is
15:42key it's not always easy but
15:44putting our bringing our European
15:46house in order against illegal
15:48migration only then I think we have
15:50the chance to find legal pathways
15:53what we do on the legal part is we
15:55have we have issues like like
15:58talent pools for instance which we
16:00just decided on in the trial of
16:02between parliament and and council
16:05where we had a decision already a
16:07positive decision we have talent
16:09partnerships with third countries
16:11as I give you an example we were in
16:12India as a college where it was also
16:14about about partnerships how can we
16:17adjust also our partnerships there and
16:21the Indians told us we're we have a very
16:23good education but maybe our education
16:26doesn't always match the skills you
16:29need in the European Union in the
16:30economy there so adjusting there is
16:33something very very concrete but also
16:35with other regions in the world of
16:37course recently you have met the Pope in
16:40Rome for an exchange of views and you've
16:44said that the dialogue with the churches
16:45you consider a task that is very close to
16:48your heart what do you expect from this
16:51dialogue well I had a very good a very
16:54good meeting with with the Pope which is
16:55of course for me as a Catholic also
16:58quite a very exciting moment and I bet
17:02it when it comes to substance it was a
17:04really good discussion and and meeting we
17:07had because we are on the same page
17:09actually respecting human rights
17:12respecting fundamental rights yes but also
17:14fighting the human traffickers and the and
17:16and getting control back in Europe and I
17:19think the the Pope totally agree with
17:21that and also the to distinguish between
17:23the different forms the illegal part the
17:26legal part and the human humanitarian
17:28responsibility the Pope of course has back
17:30the US bishops in their criticism of the
17:35Trump administration and criticize the
17:37methods of that very radical migration policy
17:40and also the lack of respect for individuals do
17:45you think that the Pope should get into this
17:48political arena and take take sides it's
17:52not for me to judge what the Pope has to do or
17:55doesn't have to do but I think the Pope is a is a
17:58very important and strong voice of course in the
18:01world which is important and and getting his view is
18:05always good I think and that's why I was very happy to
18:09to have this conversation with him we take that very
18:14seriously as a European Union of course and the
18:16balance is always important on the one hand
18:19getting control back showing the people and getting the
18:22trust also back of the people in Europe and on the
18:27other hand of course respecting fundamental rights and
18:29and human rights but both can go hand in hand it has to go
18:33hand in hand but fighting the illegal part is so key in
18:38order to get the trust back and to get control back the
18:40Pope and you have one thing in common that is the love of
18:44tennis is it is it true that you gave him a set of tennis
18:47ball with the EU logo on it I did I did yes we thought
18:51what did he say when we thought about the present which we
18:55bring to the Pope and we I knew that Yannick Sinner when he
18:59played in Rome gave him a tennis racket and of course that's
19:03great for him and then we thought okay it would be a good
19:05idea to give him the balls also with the European Union flag on
19:11it he was he was very pleased I think he at least he laughed at
19:15our at our president you were president of the Austrian Tennis
19:20Federation exactly exactly fancy a match with the Pope I love to
19:24have that of course it would be a lifetime dream of course that
19:28would be great now but I'm not sure whether that's possible but
19:32when you get that you'll be back on the show again yeah well we'll we'll see
19:36what okay what the outcome is but yes I'm incredibly keen tennis player at
19:41least and I used to be president of the Austrian Tennis Federation and my
19:45whole family is a completely keen tennis family all right Magnus Brunner EU
19:50Commissioner for internal affairs and migration thank you so much for a
19:53great Europe conversation thank you very much
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