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Sorry, I Didn't Know - Season 6 Episode 3
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00:00Welcome to Sorry I Didn't Know.
00:16I'm your host, Shizi Akadulu, and I'll be your florist,
00:19inhaling the sweet scent of our stories
00:22and picking the petals of progressive power
00:24from the bouquet of black brilliance.
00:26I bring you history with a touch of colour.
00:31To my right, pollinating the panel with punchlines,
00:34it's Richard Blackwood!
00:39Who's joining you tonight, Rich?
00:40To my left, this comedian often gets mistaken for Claire Boulding
00:45and once had a disastrous run-in with royalty.
00:48It's Daniel Fox.
00:49CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
00:52And to my right is a man so dedicated to comedy
00:55that, after 25 years, he called his new show Married to the Game.
00:59It's comedian on my bedroom, Kojo and him.
01:01CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:05And to my left, likely to give you hay fever,
01:08it's Eddie Cattery!
01:13Who's joining you, Eddie?
01:14Well, Shizi, to my right is my G, fellow Radio 1 Extra DJ
01:19in a powerhouse known as your local energy provider.
01:22You'll see why as soon as she gets going.
01:24This one here is Remy Burks.
01:26CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:29Now, to my left is a man who went from being a banker
01:32to a career in comedy, but probably got heck well doing both.
01:35It's Ayshan Akbar!
01:36CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:38Nice guy!
01:39Welcome to you all.
01:41Remy, now, as a fellow Nigerian woman, I have a bone to pick with you.
01:45If you could only eat jollof rice, sorry, Nigerian jollof rice,
01:50or a full English for the rest of your days, which would it be?
01:53OK, so, you said just jollof rice, right?
01:57No, no, Nigerian.
01:59Yeah, OK, Nigerian jollof rice, right?
02:01You have not mentioned plantain, chicken,
02:04you have not mentioned any of the other things that come with it.
02:07So, for that reason, I'm going to say full English.
02:10Oh, no. Because there's range on the plants.
02:12You have protein, fibre, carbon, you know what I'm saying?
02:17You can have turkey rashes, beef, you know what I mean?
02:20Heg, you know?
02:21So, if it's jollof plus anything else you wanted,
02:23which one would you go for?
02:25You know, if I get anything that normally comes with jollof rice,
02:28then we're going with jollof rice. OK.
02:29Is it mad that I prefer Ghanaian jollof rice as always?
02:32And, you know, I'm not helping myself here.
02:34Remy, you must leave! Leave!
02:36Can I just say, all this jollof chat, biryani for life, baby.
02:39LAUGHTER
02:42Eishan, you started off in private banking.
02:49I did.
02:50Was it all white generational wealth and gold cards?
02:53Yeah, I mean, for the clients it was, not for me.
02:55Like, one year, I had a really good year, cos I'm Asian,
02:58so I'm good at maths, isn't it?
02:59And...
03:01So, things went really well.
03:02And then I said to my boss, listen, can I have a promotion?
03:04He was like, all right, give me five weeks,
03:05I'll come back to you with a really good offer.
03:07I was like, this is going to be sick.
03:08I'm going to buy a Mercedes, things are looking up.
03:11One week's later, he comes to me and he says,
03:13I want to make you the UK private bank diversity champion.
03:15Oh!
03:16I'm like, yo, OK, what does this mean?
03:18He goes, you have to have a meeting with the other non-white people
03:20in the building.
03:21LAUGHTER
03:22The only other non-white person in the building was a Mexican cleaner.
03:25LAUGHTER
03:26By the way, do I get more money?
03:28They were like, nah.
03:29So, yeah, it was a tough time.
03:31Daniel, you've just finished touring a podcast where you're very open
03:36about your personal life.
03:37How do people react to that?
03:38Yeah, pretty well.
03:40Recently found out that my grandmother is one of the audience members.
03:42Oh!
03:43She's quite a woke grandma, so it's quite...
03:45She's, like, very woke about human rights, quite fascist about how to make a good
03:48Victoria sponge cake, but otherwise...
03:50LAUGHTER
03:51She went to Pride recently, which was very cute, but she was talking us
03:55through what she thought the acronym LGBTQ meant.
04:00It's L for lesbian, and we were like, yes, it is, very good, and she was like,
04:03and then it's gay, and we were like, yes, and then she was like,
04:05and then it's black, and we were like, not black!
04:07LAUGHTER
04:08LAUGHTER
04:10See what you're going with, actually, like, you know,
04:12because I definitely think what she did is go, which groups need more support,
04:15and then just let everyone in.
04:16LAUGHTER
04:17I respect that.
04:18Hojo, you are of Ghanaian heritage.
04:21Yeah.
04:22But you did grow up in a Caribbean household.
04:24Yeah. What was that like?
04:25In an African household, like, when you got in trouble,
04:28the punishments were very physical, so you had to kind of, like,
04:30do squats and stuff like that.
04:32Oh, yeah.
04:32Caribbean household, they just, you know, call the police.
04:35LAUGHTER
04:37An African household, you know, you had to touch your foot,
04:40keep one leg in the air for three days.
04:41Yes, yeah.
04:42You know? Caribbean household, you just call the police.
04:44LAUGHTER
04:47And then they gave them the same punishment as me.
04:50LAUGHTER
04:51So it's just one of those things where I have both cultures,
04:54you know what I mean?
04:55So jollof, rice, rice and peas, I'll have it all.
04:58LAUGHTER
04:59Give it up for our amazing guests, everybody.
05:01APPLAUSE
05:02Time for a round called This Was When.
05:09For this one, we've dug deep into the archives.
05:12I'll show our teams a photo from a moment in time
05:15and they just need to tell me what's going on.
05:17OK, teams, what's the story here?
05:19It's definitely, did I turn off the iron?
05:24LAUGHTER
05:29Eddie?
05:30This isn't a dance hall rave.
05:31You know when you try to catch that wine and then she freezes
05:33and she looks at her friends, is he nice?
05:35LAUGHTER
05:37Daniel?
05:38Beyonce realising that wasn't a fart.
05:41LAUGHTER
05:43Do you want to know the actual answer?
05:46Eddie?
05:47This is, of course, during the Grammys when Beyonce
05:49finally wins Album of the Year and she acts shocked.
05:52Do you know what the album was?
05:54The album was...
05:55Yes.
05:56..Cowboy Carter.
05:57Come on.
05:58You are correct.
05:59This is the moment that Beyonce shocked not only herself
06:02but many others by becoming the first black woman in history
06:05to win Best Country Album at the 2025 Grammy Awards.
06:09APPLAUSE
06:11Can you tell me what's going on in this image?
06:15Yeah.
06:16Daniel?
06:17This is the first four-way interracial marriage.
06:20LAUGHTER
06:22Presenting their beautiful daughter.
06:24LAUGHTER
06:25The black lady's asking, can we call him Winston?
06:28LAUGHTER
06:30Layers to that, there's layers.
06:32Ishaq?
06:33Is this the original Spice Girls with baby there?
06:35LAUGHTER
06:37LAUGHTER
06:38I like it.
06:39I like it.
06:40I like it.
06:41Yeah, yeah.
06:42Richard.
06:43You know the baddest part, right, is that this picture was taken
06:45so far back, all those women are in their 20s.
06:48LAUGHTER
06:50You know what?
06:51Why do they always look extra old?
06:53That was the thing back then.
06:54It was a different time.
06:55That is...
06:56That was a young chick.
06:57LAUGHTER
06:58Isha...
06:59Is she the first ever black midwife in the NHS?
07:02That is correct.
07:03APPLAUSE
07:04This was when nurse Daphne Steele became the first black matron
07:08in the NHS.
07:10Overseeing 450 births, she didn't just deliver babies,
07:14she delivered history.
07:16APPLAUSE
07:17OK, can you tell me what's happening here?
07:22Ishaq?
07:23Ishaq?
07:24Is this the first white man to gentrify Peckham?
07:27LAUGHTER
07:29And Daniel?
07:30This is actually a really popular video online,
07:32but it's a different still.
07:33The usual thumbnail is the older white guy sat on a couch
07:36and then the other guys are all gathered around him in the line.
07:39LAUGHTER
07:40Very popular.
07:41So you're the black in the LGBT.
07:44LAUGHTER
07:48Ishaq?
07:49Are the black guys saying,
07:50we know you're trying to sneak a bottle into this club?
07:52Why has he got such a big bulge next to him?
07:54LAUGHTER
07:55What is that?
07:56Remy?
07:57Is the white man asking them if they've heard of Stevie Wonder?
08:01LAUGHTER
08:04Eddie?
08:05See, many of us have gone through this experience in a Western club.
08:08The dress code is perfect and the guy will still come and say,
08:11sorry, fellas, wrong hats.
08:12Yeah.
08:13LAUGHTER
08:15Eddie?
08:16It feels like it was before the war or something, huh?
08:18So this is literally these three guys saying,
08:20we don't want to do this, but just tell us what we need to do.
08:23LAUGHTER
08:24I'm going to give you a point.
08:25I'm going to give you a point.
08:26This was when Oliver Stanley, the Secretary of State for Colonies
08:30during the Second World War,
08:32visited the Jamaican Royal Air Force volunteers
08:34who were stationed in Yorkshire.
08:36This, guys, is not AI.
08:38They were black people who actually fought in the war.
08:42Yes!
08:43APPLAUSE
08:45And the winner of that round is...
08:48Eddie's team!
08:49Come on!
08:50APPLAUSE
08:52Our next game is Blackity Blank.
08:56Now, that sound has been remixed just enough to avoid the lawyers
09:03knocking on my door.
09:05LAUGHTER
09:06In this round, I'm going to read our team's real-life headlines
09:09that are featured on the front pages of some of the newspapers
09:11we know, love and, in some cases, hate.
09:14The headlines are missing several words
09:16and all our teams need to do is fill in the blanks.
09:18Richard, you're up first.
09:20Africans have become the blank to blank.
09:23So...
09:24Africans have become the most beautiful thing
09:26to have come out of the UK since the Caribbeans came.
09:30Hey!
09:32Africans have become the first human beings
09:35to be turned into a flavour of Lynx deodorant.
09:38Mad!
09:39Mad!
09:40Mad!
09:41Mad!
09:42Facts!
09:43Facts!
09:44He ate wrong!
09:46But they've got the sound one!
09:47No, no, no, I do like that one.
09:48Thank you, actually.
09:50Africans have become the new Jamaicans...
09:54Oh!
09:56..to white people.
09:59Yeah.
10:00Yeah.
10:01What?
10:02Stop bringing your family members to the show.
10:05Er, no.
10:06No?
10:07No?
10:08You don't agree with that?
10:09The headline was,
10:10Africans have become the solution to the UK's elderly care crisis.
10:14Oh, we were so close.
10:15You were?
10:16In 2021, the British government changed visa rules
10:19to tackle staff shortages in the care sector,
10:22similar to the Caribbean nurses,
10:24who were crucial in saving the NHS.
10:26African care workers are now playing crucial roles
10:29in social care.
10:31So, any bigots watching might want to remember
10:33where they've stuck their parents before running their mouths
10:35about immigration.
10:39Eddie, it's over to your team.
10:40Rafa gives out 4,000 blank in Lewisham ahead of blank.
10:46I like this one, I think.
10:47Lewisham as well is the key, key word here.
10:49Yeah, but what do they give out?
10:50Because I'm from West London, so you're from South.
10:52What do they give out to Lewisham?
10:53And I'm from East.
10:54You pass through there.
10:55You don't do too much.
10:56You know what I mean?
10:57You just...
10:58You know what I mean?
10:59You don't hang back.
11:00You know what I mean?
11:01You just go through.
11:02So, Rafa gives out 4,000 nods in Lewisham.
11:04Yeah!
11:05Black people are loving it.
11:06Do you know the answer to this one?
11:07I'm going to let you guys go.
11:08Yeah?
11:09I do, because it's my bedroom that did it.
11:11Oh.
11:12OK, hold tight.
11:13Hold tight.
11:14Right, if it's his bedroom, Rafa gives out 4,000 condoms.
11:21I always have friends that are really safe.
11:23If that's the case, it is his bedroom.
11:25Rafa gives out 4,000 hair follicles in Lewisham.
11:28Very popular IT show.
11:30You should have went down there.
11:34He was busy on the wrong day.
11:35I was late.
11:36Rafa gives out 4,000 chick...
11:39I think it was turkeys in Lewisham ahead of Christmas.
11:42Because I believe it was Feki.
11:44Feki!
11:45Oh, yes!
11:46Hold point.
11:47Hold point.
11:48Yes!
11:49The full headline was Rafa gives out 4,000 turkeys in Lewisham
11:53ahead of Christmas.
11:55The headline from 2023 was about grime rapper Feki,
11:59who felt it was important to give back to his community,
12:01having grown up poor.
12:02grown up poor.
12:03And the winner of that round is...
12:05Eddie's team!
12:10It's time for the adverts now.
12:12But before we leave, here's a question for you.
12:14Which famous footballer does this impressive tribute of black history belong to?
12:19See you in a few.
12:20See you in a few.
12:21APPLAUSE
12:34Welcome back to You Sorry I Didn't Know.
12:36Before the break, I asked you which footballer has this incredible tribute to black history tattooed on his back.
12:41The answer is Andre Gray.
12:45After going on a journey to learn more about black history, Andre was inspired to create this masterpiece.
12:51Apparently there's some revolutionaries on there, but all I can see is muscle.
12:56And now it's time for our next round, where we jump in our metaphorical time machine and visit history that the curriculum forgot.
13:03Let's go black in time!
13:13In this round, with the help of their teammates, Eddie and Richard must pinpoint important historical dates.
13:19Points go to the teams closest to the correct date.
13:22Tonight's theme is education.
13:24First up, your question is, what year did the University of Oxford admit their first black student, Richard?
13:33Dan, I would confirm, but I don't believe you know.
13:36I think I might know.
13:37Go on, Dan, talk to me.
13:38I think it's like early, I feel like it might be like 1860, like 1850, 1860.
13:43So you reckon we literally came out of slaves straight into university?
13:47LAUGHTER
13:48I reckon you're right. 18, what did you say, Dan?
13:51I think that 1850.
13:52So around here, I'm going to say 18...
13:5555.
13:5655!
13:58Eddie's team.
13:59Is this officially?
14:00Officially?
14:01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:02Because you know, like, some people are going to people's uni, sitting in the lecture,
14:05but they haven't enrolled, but they're still getting the education.
14:07Yeah, yeah.
14:08That's it.
14:09I think it's probably a bit later than that, because I don't know whether Ox University,
14:13given how close slavery was then, would have been that keen for a black student...
14:18Straight away.
14:19Straight that soon.
14:20If Richard Emmerlott said, what, 1855?
14:23Mm.
14:24I reckon it's about 15, 20 years after, personally.
14:27I reckon it might have been just before that.
14:30Oh, you reckon, yeah.
14:31Yeah.
14:321820?
14:33So what...
14:341753.
14:35Absolutely.
14:36I reckon 1840.
14:38Let's do it.
14:39Go ahead, go ahead.
14:40You go, you go, you go do what you got to do.
14:42OK.
14:43OK.
14:44OK, next up.
14:45When was the first novel published by a black woman?
14:48Eddie, you're first.
14:49I'm going to go with 1830.
14:54Ooh.
14:55So you're thinking before they're admitting?
14:57Yeah.
14:58Yeah, yeah.
14:59Because there would have been a wonderful history of oracy in Africa.
15:02Come on.
15:03And they would have, like, said beautiful stories, someone would have captured it.
15:05And it would have been long before they were admitted into Oxford, I reckon.
15:08So, yeah.
15:09I'm with you.
15:10So, 1830?
15:11Yeah.
15:12Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.
15:13Got a fella.
15:14Hey!
15:15Go on, Eddie.
15:18Richard's team.
15:19I think the first fiction novel by any woman is, like, late 1700s.
15:24So, to then be, like, a fiction novel by a black woman,
15:27it's going to probably be a bit later.
15:30I think it was, like, 1780 that the first female fiction writer was.
15:34Do you not hear how eloquent and articulate he is?
15:37He knows.
15:38What?
15:39Yeah, but don't get Jedi mind tricked by that.
15:41Yeah.
15:42You need the right answer, brother.
15:44I don't want it to sound like the right answer.
15:46No, but you know, but you...
15:47This is how they colonised us!
15:49That's what they did!
15:51They sounded clever!
15:53And we were all like, yo!
15:54Oh, my days!
15:55And you stopped because you still sell black people's hair products back to us.
16:00Right?
16:01That's the former dean of Oxford University.
16:05Yes!
16:06I don't know.
16:07Like, 1860s, maybe?
16:08I think I'm around that area.
16:10I think it's definitely later.
16:12What are you saying, Rich?
16:13I might go from 1860-plus.
16:151865.
16:16No, I'm going to go 1870.
16:181870, yeah?
16:19Yeah, I'm going to say that from there onwards.
16:22It gave them nearly 15 years to go, OK, they're intelligent.
16:26Let's read their books.
16:27Next question.
16:29What year was the first university-level institution in Africa established?
16:34Richard.
16:35Rich, have you been to Africa at all?
16:37That's not important.
16:38I'm just asking.
16:39That was just a question, my brother.
16:41So, it's the first university-level...
16:44Yeah.
16:45OK.
16:46Yeah.
16:47So, it's around here.
16:48I think it's later, personally.
16:50And he's looking this way.
16:52He's saying...
16:53I believe this is a bit of a red herring trick question.
16:57Oh, my God!
16:58No, go with me here.
17:00Right?
17:01I believe we would actually like to think it was closer to what we class as modern times.
17:06That's true.
17:07But if we're going from the fact that Africa is a place that we all originate from,
17:11it's safe to say that they were ahead.
17:14Remember, they built the pyramids way back.
17:15They were advanced before we even knew anything.
17:20So, what are you saying?
17:211810?
17:22I reckon it's around here.
17:23I think 18, like, 20, 1810.
17:25Yeah, I think it's around here.
17:26I think the rest of the world caught on maybe 100 years later.
17:30I'm going to place it round about here, 1818.
17:33That's how much I believe in.
17:34I'm cool with that, people.
17:35Eddie!
17:36It doesn't matter whether you believe in us or not.
17:38These things were happening.
17:39Number one.
17:40And, by the way, while you guys were singing Feed the World, we were actually eating
17:44Jell-O-Fries laughing at you.
17:45Look at you.
17:46That is about this.
17:48Feed the World.
17:49Do they know it's Christmas time?
17:51I think we do.
17:53But you took the money, though, didn't you?
17:59You took the money, and we used it to travel back to the UK.
18:03So, here's the fact.
18:05First of all, I think Morocco...
18:07Morocco, yeah.
18:08We had the earliest university.
18:10Yeah.
18:11Muslim woman.
18:12Mathematics was established in Africa.
18:13Yes.
18:14My brother.
18:15Very well-educated people.
18:16It was early 1800s, but it was...
18:17100%.
18:18Yeah, it was in Morocco, set by a Muslim woman.
18:20Yeah, yeah.
18:21First university ever.
18:22Yes.
18:23And I'm going to go kind of 1810s.
18:25Me too.
18:2618...
18:2718...
18:28Just put it on the 1800s.
18:30Between those two.
18:31Yeah.
18:32Just before 1810.
18:33189.
18:341810.
18:35It's given seven.
18:36Yeah.
18:371807.
18:38Right.
18:39Hey.
18:40Let's see how many you got right.
18:41First up, it was 1873 when Christian Frederick Cole from Sierra Leone was admitted to Oxford.
18:471873.
18:48How the body.
18:49She there?
18:50He became the first black African to receive a degree in 1877.
18:54Closest is...
18:55Richard's team.
18:56Good job done.
18:57Next, the first known novel by a black American woman was between 1853 and 1861.
19:021854.
19:031854.
19:041854.
19:051854.
19:061854.
19:07Come on, talk to us nicely.
19:08Let's put it about.
19:09The novel titled The Bond Woman's Narrative was written by Hannah Crafts as believed to be
19:22one of the first novels written by a fugitive slave.
19:25We're going to give you guys both a point.
19:27Thank you very much.
19:28On to the first university level institution in Africa.
19:33This was established in 1827.
19:36Oh.
19:37Yes.
19:38Oh.
19:39You're going to give us both a point even though I'm closer, yeah?
19:42The university called Fura Bay College was based in Sierra Leone.
19:46Oh.
19:47Until the Second World War, Fura Bay was the only alternative for West Africans who wanted a university degree.
19:53After that round, the winner is Richard C.
20:04We're almost out of time on tonight's show, but not before we dive into our final round, general chopperness.
20:10In this quickfire round, I'll fling questions at our teams like hotcakes and they can only buzz in after I've finished the question.
20:19Let's begin.
20:20Who was the first and youngest African American to be nominated for Best Director at the Oscars?
20:26Eddie.
20:27John Singleton.
20:28Correct.
20:29What is the name given to Nigeria's billion dollar film industry?
20:32Eddie.
20:33Nollywood.
20:34Correct.
20:35Which former Arsenal player is considered the greatest striker and all-time goalscorer?
20:40Remy.
20:41Candy Scotty Williams.
20:42Absolutely right.
20:43True or false.
20:44Nigeria has a popular festival where people throw tomatoes at each other.
20:47Ishan.
20:48False.
20:49Correct.
20:50Which three-pointed symbol regularly featured in Jean-Michel Basquiat's art?
20:54Ishan.
20:55A crown.
20:56Correct.
20:57Which city the 1981 riots against police brutality started?
20:58Remy.
20:59Richard's hometown Brixton.
21:00Correct.
21:01And at the end of that round, the winner is Eddie's Tez.
21:07Ishan.
21:08Ishan.
21:09Ishan.
21:10Ishan.
21:11Ishan.
21:12Ishan.
21:13Ishan.
21:14Ishan.
21:15Ishan.
21:16Ishan.
21:18Ishan.
21:19Ishan.
21:20Ishan.
21:21Ishan.
21:22Ishan.
21:23Ishan.
21:24Ishan.
21:25Ishan.
21:26team. Which means the winner of tonight's show is Eddie's team. Thank you to tonight's
21:40guests Kojo Anin, Daniel Fox, team leader Richard Blackwood, Remy Burgs, Eshan Akbar and team
21:51leader Eddie Caddy. Before we go, here's a quote from activist James Baldwin. Know from
21:59whence you came. If you know whence you came, there are absolutely no limitations to where
22:04you can go. Beautiful. Goodnight.
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