"What do you mean I'm funny?": Geena Davis Flips the Gender Script on 'Goodfellas'

Hollywood Journal

At the 10th annual Bentonville Film Festival on June 15, actors Michaela Watkins (Hulu's 'Casual') and Cassandra Freeman (Peacock's 'Bel-Air') reenacted a classic scene from 'Goodfellas' as part of "Geena and Friends," a yearly showcase of iconically-male movie moments performed onstage by women. Led by festival co-founder and Oscar-winner Davis, the ensemble was rounded out by Saara Chaudry (Disney+'s 'The Mysterious Benedict Society') and Tika Sumpter (Paramount's 'Sonic' movies).

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00:00:00Good evening, everyone. Please find your seats if you could.

00:00:05Subtle, subtle.

00:00:07How is everyone, first of all? Happy Friday.

00:00:11Yes.

00:00:13My name is Stacy Wilson-Hunt.

00:00:15I'm a contributing editor at The Hollywood Reporter in Los Angeles,

00:00:17and we are so honored to be the media sponsor for this year's Bentonville Film Festival,

00:00:21my favorite week of the year.

00:00:23Please give a round of applause for Bentonville. I love it here. It's the best.

00:00:30So, how many people are familiar with Gina and Friends and what you're about to see?

00:00:36Okay, enough people.

00:00:37So, for those who aren't familiar with the format,

00:00:39we have an incredible group of actors, female actors, five of them in total,

00:00:43who are going to come out and perform familiar iconic scenes from films

00:00:47that were originally written for male characters,

00:00:50and comedy is going to ensue.

00:00:53This is a wild bunch of scenes you have coming at you in the next few moments.

00:00:56So, without further ado, I'm going to bring out your merry band of pranksters,

00:01:01starting with the woman without whom we would not be here,

00:01:05the incredible Gina Davis.

00:01:10There she is.

00:01:18Aw, yes, we love Gina so much.

00:01:20She's so humble. We love her.

00:01:25Joining Gina on stage, Sawada Chowdhury.

00:01:29There she is.

00:01:36Next up, Cassandra Freeman.

00:01:41Cassandra!

00:01:41It's a bunch of hams on this stage tonight.

00:01:49Bunch of hams.

00:01:50Next up, Tika Sumter.

00:01:52Tika!

00:01:59And finally, but not least,

00:02:01Michaela Watkins.

00:02:02All right.

00:02:09These are your artists for the evening.

00:02:11I will see you after their performances,

00:02:13and I will be doing a Q&A with them.

00:02:14In the meantime, please enjoy what I know is going to be

00:02:17a very memorable experience tonight.

00:02:19Enjoy.

00:02:19And please, one last thing.

00:02:21I was watching The Daily Show the other night,

00:02:22and someone's phone went off during the broadcast.

00:02:25Please don't let that be you tonight.

00:02:27Please silence your devices.

00:02:29Thank you so much.

00:02:30Enjoy.

00:02:30Oh, God.

00:02:57Two dogs, Duchess and Max,

00:02:59are caught up in an animal-control van.

00:03:03Snowball, a rabbit, along with his gang,

00:03:06caused the van to crash.

00:03:08The revolution has been on!

00:03:21Woo!

00:03:21Liberated forever!

00:03:23Domesticated!

00:03:24Never.

00:03:25All right.

00:03:26Let's go, let's go, let's go!

00:03:28Uh, who are you guys?

00:03:30Yeah.

00:03:31Excuse me?

00:03:31Who are we?

00:03:34Who are we?

00:03:35We are the flushed pets!

00:03:37Thrown away by our owners,

00:03:39and now we're out for revenge.

00:03:40It's like a club, you know?

00:03:42But with biting and scratching.

00:03:44Oh!

00:03:44Uh, can you take us with you?

00:03:47Oh, I don't think so, pets.

00:03:48Yeah, you got that.

00:03:50Pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft.

00:03:52Oh!

00:03:52You got that domestication smell on you.

00:03:55It's all over you.

00:03:56You chose your side.

00:03:57And now you're gonna burn.

00:03:59Oh, just stop.

00:04:00No.

00:04:01No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:04:02Who are you calling pets?

00:04:03Uh, um, uh, I ain't, I ain't no pet.

00:04:07Uh, you got it all wrong.

00:04:09We're, uh, we just like, just like you,

00:04:11we hate humans.

00:04:12Pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft.

00:04:12I hate them.

00:04:13Yeah.

00:04:14Yeah.

00:04:15That is right.

00:04:17Mm-hmm.

00:04:17Yeah.

00:04:17So, I mean, don't get me started on people.

00:04:21Am I right, Duchess?

00:04:22Yeah.

00:04:22Yeah, that's why we burned our colors.

00:04:25Yeah.

00:04:25Yeah, burned them.

00:04:26Burned them to the ground.

00:04:27Yeah.

00:04:28And then we killed.

00:04:29Yeah.

00:04:29We killed our owners.

00:04:30Yep.

00:04:31Wait a minute.

00:04:31That's, that's kind of a little too far, I think.

00:04:34No.

00:04:35Oh, wait.

00:04:35They kind of did.

00:04:36They kind of did.

00:04:37All right, all right.

00:04:37Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:38Yeah, we did.

00:04:39We whacked them.

00:04:40Yeah, yeah.

00:04:40That's, that's right.

00:04:41Yeah.

00:04:42Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

00:04:43With our paws.

00:04:44Yeah.

00:04:45Yeah, so if, if I had a dime, let me tell you,

00:04:48for every owner that I killed.

00:04:50Oh, my gosh.

00:04:51I would have a dime because, because I just,

00:04:56because I just killed one.

00:04:57Right.

00:04:58Yes.

00:04:58Okay, okay.

00:05:00Y'all cold-blooded.

00:05:01Huh.

00:05:02Uh-huh.

00:05:02You know what?

00:05:03You remind me of my girl, Ricky.

00:05:05She died, though.

00:05:06R.I.P.

00:05:07Ricky.

00:05:08You know, you know, the truth is,

00:05:09the struggle could use some, some muscle.

00:05:12So, look, I'll tell you what.

00:05:14We'll free you up, right?

00:05:16Get out of there.

00:05:17But understand this from now on.

00:05:18I am your boss.

00:05:21Oh, that's fine.

00:05:22Yeah, that's fine.

00:05:23Totally.

00:05:23That sounds like a fun challenge.

00:05:25Uh-huh.

00:05:25Okay.

00:05:26All right.

00:05:26Okay.

00:05:27Wow.

00:05:28Oh, wow.

00:05:29Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

00:05:30Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

00:05:32Come on with us.

00:05:33Yeah.

00:05:33Oh, freedom.

00:05:34Yeah, freedom.

00:05:35Oh, okay.

00:05:37All right, girls.

00:05:39Let's do this.

00:05:39Let's go.

00:05:40To the sewers.

00:05:43To the what?

00:05:44The sewers?

00:05:46What are y'all waiting for?

00:05:47I'm not playing with y'all.

00:05:48To the sewers.

00:05:52Come on.

00:05:53Sewers?

00:05:54What's the password?

00:05:57Password?

00:06:01Yeah.

00:06:03Oh, snake.

00:06:05Okay, look at me.

00:06:06I am your leader.

00:06:08The leader does not recite a password.

00:06:11The leader makes up the password.

00:06:14Okay?

00:06:14Idiots.

00:06:15Everybody.

00:06:15Okay, I'm making up a new password right now.

00:06:18The new password is, don't ask the leader for a password.

00:06:24Let's go.

00:06:25Okay.

00:06:28Ha!

00:06:30Welcome to the underbelly, sisters.

00:06:33Home of the flushed pets.

00:06:35Oh.

00:06:36Oh.

00:06:37Okay.

00:06:38Sisters, as you see, I've returned, you know, with some new recruits.

00:06:43These girls are owner killers.

00:06:48Oh.

00:06:50Hey, hey, hey.

00:06:51Settle down.

00:06:52Settle down.

00:06:52Ladies, I want you to tell them exactly what you told me.

00:06:55The whole story.

00:06:56Go ahead.

00:06:57Go ahead.

00:06:58We want all the gory details.

00:06:59Don't leave nothing out.

00:07:01Just like you said back there.

00:07:02Oh.

00:07:03Um.

00:07:04Well.

00:07:05Yeah.

00:07:06Of course.

00:07:07Tell them, Max.

00:07:08Oh, okay.

00:07:10So, uh, I was like, uh.

00:07:12Well, we.

00:07:13We were.

00:07:13Yeah.

00:07:14Like, uh, like, uh, take that.

00:07:17Take that.

00:07:18Yeah.

00:07:19Yeah.

00:07:19Just like that.

00:07:20Yeah.

00:07:20And, uh, you're a stupid owner, and so that's what you're dealing with here.

00:07:26That story bored me to death.

00:07:34Oh.

00:07:35Boring.

00:07:36We need details.

00:07:38Details.

00:07:39Details.

00:07:39Okay.

00:07:40Yeah.

00:07:42Yeah.

00:07:42Max?

00:07:43Uh, okay.

00:07:44Well, uh, so there's this thing.

00:07:47It's, uh, it's in a kitchen.

00:07:49Yeah, a table.

00:07:50Yeah, it's like flat.

00:07:51It's like flat.

00:07:52Yeah.

00:07:53Uh-huh.

00:07:54And then it's just, it's like, it's like round.

00:07:56Yeah.

00:07:56On the edge of it.

00:07:57It's a spoon.

00:07:58A spoon.

00:07:59A spoon.

00:08:00A spoon.

00:08:01A spoon.

00:08:01You can't hurt someone with a spoon.

00:08:04Oh.

00:08:04You scoop with a spoon.

00:08:06How many, how many people, you know, want to kill somebody with a spoon?

00:08:10Oh, I want to know.

00:08:13Yeah, I do.

00:08:14Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:08:14Tell us.

00:08:15With a spoon.

00:08:18Yeah.

00:08:19Yeah, well, of course.

00:08:21So, we did.

00:08:22We used a spoon.

00:08:23Yeah.

00:08:23Um, to then hit this button on the machine on the counter.

00:08:30Yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.

00:08:31That table we were talking, yeah.

00:08:32Yeah, and it's got, you know, those blades that make a brrrr sound.

00:08:36It's like brrrr.

00:08:37Yeah, it's got the blades.

00:08:39The blades.

00:08:40Wait, wait, wait, was it a blender?

00:08:42Yes.

00:08:43Oh!

00:08:44You blended somebody.

00:08:46Oh, my gosh.

00:08:47She's talking about the blender, guys.

00:08:50Okay, please tell me.

00:08:51Tell me more about the blender.

00:08:52Oh, hey, buddy.

00:08:53I don't ask what it is called, you know.

00:08:55We just kill with it.

00:08:56No, but it was a blender.

00:08:58It was a blender.

00:08:59Blender.

00:09:01Okay.

00:09:02All right.

00:09:03Yeah, I hear this.

00:09:04You know who y'all like?

00:09:06Huh?

00:09:06Ricky.

00:09:07Mm-hmm.

00:09:07Rest in peace.

00:09:08Ricky was the only soldier I knew who had, who was ready to kill someone on sight.

00:09:14An owner.

00:09:15Wow.

00:09:15Right?

00:09:16Everybody else needed some pep talk.

00:09:18Not Ricky.

00:09:19Mm-hmm.

00:09:19Not these two sisters.

00:09:21Mm-hmm.

00:09:21Yeah, no, no, not you.

00:09:23See, you know, all of us have suffered at the hands of man.

00:09:27I mean, take me, for instance, right?

00:09:29I was a magician's rabbit for kids' parties.

00:09:33But then funny tricks went out of style, you know.

00:09:36So what did my owner do?

00:09:38My owner went and left magic behind and also left me behind.

00:09:45Disappeared.

00:09:47Can you believe that?

00:09:49And you know, me, me, you know what happened to me?

00:09:52I lived in a tattoo parlor.

00:09:55Yeah.

00:09:56And the trainees, the trainees used to practice on me until they ran out of space.

00:10:03Mm-hmm.

00:10:04Tattoos everywhere.

00:10:05Oh.

00:10:06I mean, yes, humans say they love us.

00:10:09But then they turn around and throw us out like we're garbage.

00:10:13Ain't that right, sea monkeys?

00:10:16Hey, it's not our fault we don't look like the package.

00:10:18Oh, yeah, that's true.

00:10:19All right.

00:10:24You girls are, you're going to join the sisterhood.

00:10:27I like you.

00:10:29Hmm.

00:10:29It's initiation time.

00:10:31Yeah.

00:10:32Come again.

00:10:33I'm sorry, what time?

00:10:35Summon the Viper.

00:10:38Woo!

00:10:43I thought they were going to show up.

00:10:44Woo!

00:11:14.

00:11:44.

00:12:14.

00:12:15.

00:12:16.

00:12:17.

00:12:18.

00:12:19.

00:12:20.

00:12:21.

00:12:22.

00:12:23.

00:12:24.

00:12:25.

00:12:26.

00:12:27.

00:12:28.

00:12:29.

00:12:30.

00:12:31.

00:12:32.

00:12:33I'm one of them.

00:12:34Yep, and I'm the other one.

00:12:36All right, well, lots of luck.

00:12:41Hey, my name is Holly.

00:12:46Daisy Forrest.

00:12:48All right.

00:12:58You got directions?

00:12:59Yep, I do.

00:13:02But, you know, it's pretty early for me.

00:13:06I need some liquor to stop me off.

00:13:09I got some.

00:13:14Ah.

00:13:15You make it yourself, or is it from a store?

00:13:18Georgia.

00:13:19Where I'm from, it's real if you make it yourself.

00:13:23But I've been buying from the Yankee government since they put me in this soldier suit and gave me a rate.

00:13:29Yeah, you know, tax-free booze.

00:13:32About all you can say is good about an army life.

00:13:35Where are you from with that crazy way of talking?

00:13:38Lobster farms mean.

00:13:40Yeah.

00:13:41Dang.

00:13:42That must be about as far north as you can get.

00:13:45Pretty near.

00:13:46What do you know about the outfit we're going to?

00:13:48CO is Colonel Buck Blake.

00:13:50Lieutenant Colonel Henrietta Braymore Blake.

00:13:52Mm-hmm.

00:13:56One of them regular clowns.

00:13:57You know, they push you around so hard that you can't even do your job.

00:14:00Mm-hmm.

00:14:01Yeah.

00:14:02Well, we've got to head them off.

00:14:03Right at the start.

00:14:04We've got to get to them first.

00:14:06Mm-hmm.

00:14:07All right.

00:14:08Well, there it is.

00:14:11Spot we picked to spin the winner.

00:14:13Maybe we ought to look a little harder.

00:14:17Mm-hmm.

00:14:18Mm-hmm.

00:14:19What do you think about that piece of...

00:14:20What do you think about that piece of scenery, Yankee girl?

00:14:35Well, that's the finest kind.

00:14:39We will sit here and observe the scenery.

00:14:48I'm Colonel Blake.

00:14:49Mm-hmm.

00:14:52You girls just passing?

00:14:54No.

00:14:55We're assigned here.

00:14:56Y'all were short a couple cutters, and we're with the army sent.

00:14:59Huh.

00:15:00Don't you know the first thing you're supposed to do at a new post

00:15:02is present yourself to the commanding officer with your orders?

00:15:08I reckon so, but we've been boozing all day.

00:15:11We done got an appetite.

00:15:13Well, look.

00:15:15You're welcome to these, whatever they are.

00:15:18Give you copies to burn.

00:15:23Hmm.

00:15:24Good.

00:15:25Yeah, you've both been working close to the front, huh?

00:15:28Mm-hmm.

00:15:29Never this close.

00:15:30Yeah, well, they just hit us up Cherry Hill.

00:15:34I just got work.

00:15:36We have our slack periods, but when the action starts,

00:15:38you'll have more work in 12 hours than a civilian surgeon does in a week.

00:15:43Colonel Blake, have no fear.

00:15:46Holly and Daisy are here.

00:15:48Mm-hmm.

00:15:49That's right, pal.

00:15:50You just sit up front and sign that mail,

00:15:52and we'll leave the cutting to us.

00:15:55Well, I may need you to go to work practically immediately,

00:15:58but meanwhile, perhaps you'd like to meet some of your fellow officers.

00:16:02Oh, yeah, just one more start.

00:16:05Yeah, the brunette dish.

00:16:08Oh, well.

00:16:10Yeah, yeah, but if you mean, uh...

00:16:12Lieutenant Dish over there, he is a lieutenant in the Army, nursing core captain.

00:16:25Uh-huh.

00:16:26Uh-huh.

00:16:27All right.

00:16:28Lieutenant Dish.

00:16:29Uh-huh.

00:16:30Uh-uh.

00:16:31Uh-huh.

00:16:32Uh-huh.

00:16:33All right.

00:16:34Lieutenant Dish.

00:16:35I guess, uh, maybe he's already involved with somebody?

00:16:39Uh...

00:16:40They've all tried.

00:16:42Nobody's gotten to first base.

00:16:43Uh-huh.

00:16:44Uh-huh.

00:16:45Oh, they've all tried.

00:16:49Nobody's gotten to first base.

00:16:52Well, why bother with...

00:17:03So, why bother with first base?

00:17:09I'm going to go right for the home run.

00:17:15You know, I'm just talking the JOSHIρόinger.

00:17:20And so they're interested in playing the deal.

00:17:25It's important that they have always been helpful to be.

00:17:29Someone, what you're looking at then.

00:17:31Just for any reason, it's like what's always about each other.

00:17:36And he's one of the things we believe in having ever seen in our lives.

00:17:44.

00:18:14.

00:18:44.

00:18:52What's really funny is, you know, this freaking bait job, all right?

00:18:56All the way into the caucus.

00:18:58And I'm in the middle of the frickin' reeds, okay?

00:19:00And I'm laying down.

00:19:01He comes over.

00:19:02He says, what are you doing?

00:19:03I said, I'm resting.

00:19:05He says, you're resting?

00:19:06I said, yeah, I'm resting.

00:19:08I'm resting.

00:19:09He's like, what are you, at a frickin' park in the beach, you know?

00:19:11You're going to the park.

00:19:12You're going to have to rest?

00:19:13I said, yeah.

00:19:14He says, oh, you know.

00:19:15And then they bring me in for all kinds of questions, you know, and this and that.

00:19:18And he says, oh, so what are you going to tell us, tough gal?

00:19:23And it's my usual.

00:19:28Zero.

00:19:29Nothing.

00:19:30Not a zilch.

00:19:31I said, all right.

00:19:33Finally.

00:19:34I'll tell you something.

00:19:36I'll tell you something.

00:19:37Tell me.

00:19:38Go screw your mother!

00:19:41And he got me.

00:19:42Bang, bang, pow.

00:19:43Right?

00:19:44Oh, wow.

00:19:45So now I'm, you know, I come around.

00:19:46I come around.

00:19:47And so I start coming out of it.

00:19:48And who do I see in front of me?

00:19:49Who do I see?

00:19:50This big ass again, I say.

00:19:51Oh.

00:19:52He says, what do you want to tell me now, tough gal?

00:19:54I said, what are you doing here?

00:19:55I thought I told you to go screw your mother.

00:19:56And your father.

00:19:57I thought he was going to shit.

00:19:59Pow, bang, bang.

00:20:00You know, I wish I was big.

00:20:01Just once.

00:20:02Just once.

00:20:03Big.

00:20:04Big cops.

00:20:05You know, big cops.

00:20:06Yeah.

00:20:07Yeah.

00:20:08Yeah.

00:20:09Yeah.

00:20:10Yeah.

00:20:11Yeah.

00:20:12Yeah.

00:20:13Yeah.

00:20:14Yeah.

00:20:15Yeah.

00:20:16Yeah.

00:20:17Yeah.

00:20:18Yeah.

00:20:19Yeah.

00:20:20Yeah.

00:20:21Yeah.

00:20:22Yeah.

00:20:23Yeah.

00:20:24Yeah.

00:20:25Oh, my God.

00:20:26That's so funny.

00:20:27Oh, my God.

00:20:28You are funny.

00:20:29Oh, yeah.

00:20:30Just funny.

00:20:33What do you mean I'm funny?

00:20:39I mean, it's funny.

00:20:42I mean, you know, it's a good story.

00:20:44It's a great story.

00:20:45It's just so funny.

00:20:46You're a funny girl.

00:20:47You're funny.

00:20:48What do you mean?

00:20:49What do you mean, though?

00:20:50Like the way I talk?

00:20:52It's just, what?

00:20:53Come on.

00:20:54You know you're funny.

00:20:55It's funny.

00:20:56The way you tell the story and bam, bam, bam and everything.

00:20:59It's great.

00:21:00I'm funny.

00:21:01How?

00:21:02I'm sorry.

00:21:03I mean, like, what's funny about it?

00:21:05Hey, hey, Tammy, Tammy.

00:21:06Hey, Dina.

00:21:07Now, you've got it all wrong.

00:21:08You've got it.

00:21:09It's okay.

00:21:10She's a big girl, okay?

00:21:11She knows what she said.

00:21:12What'd you say?

00:21:13What did you say?

00:21:14You said funny?

00:21:15Just, I mean, I'm just...

00:21:16Yeah, but funny how?

00:21:17You're just funny.

00:21:18You mean, let me understand this because, you know, I don't know.

00:21:21Maybe it's just me.

00:21:22Maybe it's just me.

00:21:23Maybe I'm a little, maybe I'm a little screwed up up here.

00:21:24You know what I mean?

00:21:25But I'm funny how?

00:21:26Okay?

00:21:27I mean, like, I'm funny how, okay?

00:21:32I mean, like, I'm funny like a clown.

00:21:38Am I funny like a clown?

00:21:43Do I amuse you?

00:21:44Do I amuse you?

00:21:45Do I make you laugh?

00:21:46How am I funny?

00:21:51Don't you care about me every time?

00:21:56How am I, I mean how am I funny? Like funny how? Like how am I funny?

00:22:02I'm not, I'm just, just you know, come on, you know how to tell a story.

00:22:08No, no, I don't know. You said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. You said that.

00:22:14How am I funny? How the frick am I funny, huh? How is it so, how am I so funny, huh?

00:22:20You tell me, you tell me what's funny.

00:22:26I'm getting the fuck out of here! Get out of here!

00:22:38You! You! You had me! You!

00:22:42Girl, you had me! You! Oh, that was a good one.

00:22:46Oh man, you're a real mother effer. Oh my goodness. I almost had her.

00:22:50I almost had her. I almost had her. You had me there.

00:22:54You had me there.

00:22:56Frankie, Frankie, she was shaking. Did you see that? Did you see that?

00:22:58She was shaking! She was shaking!

00:23:00How about, oh, I wonder sometimes about you Henrietta, honestly.

00:23:04How are you gonna, well, you are gonna fold under questioning. I'll tell you what.

00:23:08What, Jesus, what do you want? What are you doing?

00:23:12What is it with you? Tammy.

00:23:14She's hanging on my neck like a love show or whatever. Get out of here.

00:23:18You know, she's worried. Huh?

00:23:22She didn't want to come over, you know.

00:23:24But here's the check. Right?

00:23:28If you could take care of it. The waiter?

00:23:30Yeah. Yeah. Sure, I mean, it's no problem, no problem.

00:23:34Tell him to put it on my tab, of course.

00:23:36Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk to you about, right?

00:23:40Uh-huh. I mean, with today, you know, here, it's seven freaking big ones.

00:23:44You know, seven G's you owe me.

00:23:46Seven thousand dollars? I mean, that's peanuts. I make, uh...

00:23:51I don't mean to be out of order.

00:23:53Wait, you don't mean to be out of order.

00:23:54No.

00:23:55Good, good. You don't mean to be...

00:23:57No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:23:59You don't mean to be out of order.

00:24:01No disrespect.

00:24:02Okay. You know?

00:24:03No, you're embarrassing me in front of my friends.

00:24:04It's like you're calling me a freaking deadbeat, you know, Sonia.

00:24:08You're a real, uh, you're a real, you're a real effing money, you know that?

00:24:13The kind of money that we spend in here.

00:24:15I mean, come on, don't be like that.

00:24:17Oh, what do you, oh, what do you mean, don't be like that?

00:24:23Can you believe, just don't...

00:24:25Can you believe this, this B word, this freaking B word, you know?

00:24:32You know, you're supposed to be doing this stuff, too.

00:24:35Okay. All right.

00:24:38Okay. All right.

00:24:40No problem. I'll take care of it.

00:24:43That's right.

00:24:45That's it, Henrietta.

00:24:47I can't tell you, you're funny.

00:24:52That's it, Henrietta. I'm telling you. You know what?

00:24:58You want to laugh, this idiot, this little idiot.

00:25:05You know what, this idiot, it was last week, last week she asked me to christen her kid, you know?

00:25:11You know, for $7,000, I'll charge you.

00:25:15Hey, hey, hey, okay.

00:25:17You're just so funny.

00:25:19That is it! I'm not kidding, all right?

00:25:21That is it. That is it.

00:25:23Oh, okay.

00:25:25I'm sorry. I screwed up the end of the night.

00:25:40I'm so sorry.

00:25:43Oh, it's okay.

00:25:45I should've just wanted to stay.

00:25:55All right.

00:25:56No, one, two, three, four.

00:25:58Thanks, we'll take care of that.

00:26:00That's it.

00:26:01I'm sorry.

00:26:03You can't be the person who's cast, you know?

00:26:05I'm sorry.

00:26:06I'm sorry.

00:26:07Let me go.

00:26:08Then, you know, don't have any more time.

00:26:09I'm sorry.

00:26:11I'm sorry.

00:26:12I'm sorry.

00:26:13I'm sorry.

00:26:14Oh, I'm sorry.

00:26:15I'm sorry.

00:26:16I don't want to start and get me good.

00:26:17I'm sorry.

00:26:18I want to go.

00:26:20So, I'm sorry.

00:26:21I want to leave you.

00:26:22I'm sorry.

00:26:23I'm sorry.

00:26:24.

00:26:54What?

00:27:16Cash. Or do we do this on handshake and a promise?

00:27:20I'm authorized by the Township of Amity to hire you as an independent contractor.

00:27:24We'll meet your price, $10,000.

00:27:26All right. And my regular daily rate of $200.

00:27:30Huh?

00:27:31Whether we catch them or not, huh?

00:27:36Uh-huh, uh-huh.

00:27:38And a case of apricot brandy and you buy the lunch.

00:27:42Okay.

00:27:44Two cases? Uh-huh.

00:27:46And, you know, yeah, we'll buy you dinner when you land, too.

00:27:49All right. Yeah. Try some of this.

00:27:52I made it myself.

00:27:55Mmm.

00:27:57Yep. Here's to swimming with the bull-legged men.

00:28:01Mmm.

00:28:03You're going to need an extra hand.

00:28:07Huh?

00:28:08Oh, yeah. This is, uh, Hope.

00:28:10Oh, yeah. I know who she is.

00:28:13Uh, she's from the Ocean Graphic Institute.

00:28:16Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:17Yeah.

00:28:18I've been to sea since I was 12.

00:28:19Yeah, I'm not talking about, uh, sailing for pleasure, boating.

00:28:22I'm talking about working for a living.

00:28:25Shocking.

00:28:26Mmm, right.

00:28:27And I'm not talking about hooking some poor dogfish or sand shark.

00:28:32I'm talking about a great white.

00:28:35Mm-hmm.

00:28:36Are you now?

00:28:39Here.

00:28:40Where'd it go?

00:28:41Yeah.

00:28:42Tie me a sheepskin knot, huh?

00:28:45Oof.

00:28:46I don't need to pass basic seamanship.

00:28:47Let me see your hands here.

00:28:48Oh, my gosh.

00:28:49City hands.

00:28:50You've been counting money.

00:28:51Okay.

00:28:52Look.

00:28:53Look.

00:28:54I don't need to hear any of this working-class hero crap.

00:28:58Some party boat skipper who's killed a few sharks.

00:29:00Hey, okay, okay.

00:29:01No.

00:29:02No.

00:29:03No.

00:29:04No.

00:29:05No.

00:29:06No.

00:29:07No.

00:29:08No.

00:29:09No.

00:29:10No.

00:29:11No.

00:29:12No.

00:29:13No.

00:29:14No.

00:29:15Knock it off.

00:29:16I don't want to have to listen to this while we're out there.

00:29:18Please.

00:29:19What do you mean, we?

00:29:21It's my charter.

00:29:23It's my party.

00:29:24All right, Commissioner.

00:29:26But when you're on my ship, I'm master, mate, and pilot.

00:29:30And I want her to...

00:29:33I want her along for ballast.

00:29:35Okay.

00:29:36You got it.

00:29:37You got it.

00:29:38Oh.

00:29:40CO2 darts, hypo, regulator.

00:29:44Tanks.

00:29:45Step gauge.

00:29:46Camera.

00:29:47Extra magazines.

00:29:48Cage.

00:29:49Is that everything you asked for?

00:29:51Yeah, that's all of it.

00:29:52Thank Dr. Miro for me.

00:29:54Mm.

00:29:55This is actually a killing expedition.

00:29:57An eye for an eye, you know?

00:29:58All right.

00:29:59Good luck.

00:30:00Let's see this.

00:30:01What do you have here?

00:30:02Huh?

00:30:03Anti-shark.

00:30:04A portable shower?

00:30:05No, no.

00:30:06Anti-shark cage.

00:30:07Who's inside?

00:30:08You or the shark?

00:30:09What?

00:30:10You're in the cage.

00:30:11Uh-huh.

00:30:12The shark is in the water.

00:30:13The cage is in the water?

00:30:14Indeed.

00:30:15And the shark is in the water too?

00:30:16Precisely.

00:30:17And you're in the water with the shark?

00:30:19Yeah.

00:30:20That's it.

00:30:21All right.

00:30:22Coming aboard.

00:30:23Hey, hey.

00:30:24Honey.

00:30:25Honey.

00:30:26Oh.

00:30:27Oh.

00:30:28Listen.

00:30:29Listen.

00:30:30Did your tick you're driving me?

00:30:31Oh, yeah.

00:30:32Yeah.

00:30:33Okay.

00:30:34Listen.

00:30:35Here.

00:30:36Uh...

00:30:37So, uh...

00:30:38Uh...

00:30:39Uh...

00:30:40Uh...

00:30:41Uh...

00:30:42Uh...

00:30:43Uh...

00:30:44Uh...

00:30:45Uh...

00:30:46Uh...

00:30:47Uh...

00:30:48Uh...

00:30:49Uh...

00:30:50Uh...

00:30:51Uh...

00:30:52Uh...

00:30:54Is that her?

00:30:56Yeah.

00:30:57Ooh.

00:30:58Ooh.

00:30:59Colorful, is she?

00:31:00Are you gonna be all right?

00:31:01Oh, yeah.

00:31:03Oh, nothing to worry about.

00:31:06Come on.

00:31:07I'll survive this.

00:31:08All right.

00:31:09I'll see you back soon.

00:31:10There's suntan lotion and blistex in there.

00:31:12Oh.

00:31:13Okay.

00:31:15Come on.

00:31:17Hurry up.

00:31:18Daylight's a-wastin'.

00:31:22Here is the body of the Mary Lee, for years she kept her virginity, not a bad record

00:31:35for this vicinity.

00:31:37Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

00:31:41What am I going to tell the kids?

00:31:44Tell them I went fishing.

00:31:45Yeah.

00:31:52I can't read.

00:32:22You know, Maxine was like the sweetest girl ever.

00:32:51Before she fell into a pool of electric eels.

00:32:54Yeah, that'll do it.

00:32:56Oh, there it goes again.

00:33:01Are you okay?

00:33:02Oh, it's my back, it's kind of stiff from all the swinging, I guess.

00:33:08Oh yeah, no, I got a middle back thing too.

00:33:12Yeah, really?

00:33:13Mm-hmm.

00:33:14Yeah, you want me to crack it?

00:33:16Yeah.

00:33:17Yeah, that'd be great.

00:33:19Oh!

00:33:20Oh!

00:33:21Oh, that feels good.

00:33:22Yeah.

00:33:23Yeah.

00:33:24Right?

00:33:25Yeah.

00:33:26How is it?

00:33:27Oh, that's much better.

00:33:28Okay.

00:33:29That's good.

00:33:30Good.

00:33:31Yeah.

00:33:32This is so cool.

00:33:33I always wanted sisters.

00:33:36So you like, you like making your own web fluid in your body?

00:33:42Well, I'd rather not talk about this.

00:33:45Oh, no, no, no.

00:33:46I don't mean to, you know.

00:33:47But you're teasing me.

00:33:48No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:33:50She's not teasing you.

00:33:51She's not making fun of you.

00:33:53It's just that we can't do that.

00:33:55And, you know, naturally we're curious as to how your web situation works.

00:34:01That's all.

00:34:02Yeah.

00:34:03Yeah.

00:34:04But, you know, if it's personal, I don't want it to like, I don't want to like pry.

00:34:07Right?

00:34:08But I just think it's cool.

00:34:09Look, no, I wish I could tell you, but it's like, I just, I don't do it.

00:34:14Like, just like, I don't, like, I don't do breathing.

00:34:18Like, I don't, like, breathing just happens, you know, the web just comes out.

00:34:23Oh, wow.

00:34:24Like, like, so does it, it just come out of your wrist or does it come out of anywhere else?

00:34:29Oh, no, no.

00:34:30Oh, oh, no, no.

00:34:31Just, just, just in the wrist.

00:34:32Just a, okay.

00:34:33So you've never had like a web block because I run out of webs all the time and I have to

00:34:39make them in the lab on my own.

00:34:41Oh, wow.

00:34:42Right.

00:34:43And it's, it's a hassle compared to what you got.

00:34:46Oh, you know what?

00:34:48That sounds, that sounds like a hassle, but yeah, yeah.

00:34:50But you know what I did?

00:34:51You, you said that.

00:34:52Yeah.

00:34:53Yeah.

00:34:54Sometimes I have that web block.

00:34:55Okay.

00:34:56Yeah.

00:34:57Why?

00:34:58Why?

00:34:59Yeah.

00:35:00Oh, you know, existential crisis.

00:35:02Yeah.

00:35:03I mean, like, um, don't get me started on that.

00:35:07Hey, so what are some, like, who are some of the villains that you guys have fought?

00:35:12Oh.

00:35:13Oh.

00:35:14See, uh, seems like you've met most of them.

00:35:17That's, that's a good question.

00:35:18Right?

00:35:19Well, yeah.

00:35:20Well, you know what?

00:35:21I fought an alien made out of black goo.

00:35:24Just once.

00:35:25Yeah.

00:35:26Oh, no way.

00:35:27I fought an alien too, on earth and in space.

00:35:32No.

00:35:33Yes.

00:35:34Oh.

00:35:35Yeah.

00:35:36That's amazing.

00:35:37Yeah.

00:35:38He was purple.

00:35:39Oh, purple alien.

00:35:40I want to find an alien.

00:35:41But yeah, I'm, I'm still like, I'm just like, wait a minute.

00:35:44I just can't get over, like, you did this, you fought an alien in space?

00:35:48Yeah.

00:35:49Yeah.

00:35:50I'm a loser.

00:35:51Compared, like, I fought a Russian guy in, like, a rhinoceros machine or something.

00:35:58Can we just rewind to the part where you said, I'm a loser?

00:36:02Because you are not.

00:36:03Oh.

00:36:04Thanks.

00:36:05No.

00:36:06Yeah.

00:36:07I appreciate it.

00:36:08I'm not saying I'm a loser.

00:36:10I'm just saying, like.

00:36:11But, but it's just the self-talk, you know, maybe we should, you know.

00:36:15Yeah.

00:36:16Yeah.

00:36:17Listen, um.

00:36:18No.

00:36:19No.

00:36:20Because you are amazing.

00:36:21Amazing.

00:36:22Okay.

00:36:23Just, just take that in for a minute.

00:36:24Yeah.

00:36:25Yeah.

00:36:26Yeah.

00:36:27I can take it in.

00:36:28Okay.

00:36:29I can take it in.

00:36:30Yeah.

00:36:32Yeah.

00:36:33Yeah.

00:36:34Come on.

00:36:35Come on.

00:36:36You need to say it.

00:36:37Wait.

00:36:38All right.

00:36:39Focus up, girls.

00:36:40You feel that?

00:36:41Yeah.

00:36:42Yeah.

00:36:43Yeah.

00:36:44We got it.

00:36:45Okay.

00:36:46Yeah.

00:36:47We got it.

00:36:48Okay.

00:36:49Yeah.

00:36:50Yeah.

00:36:51We got it.

00:36:52Okay.

00:36:53Yeah.

00:36:54We got it.

00:36:55Okay.

00:36:56Yeah.

00:36:57Yeah.

00:36:58We got it.

00:36:59Okay.

00:37:01Good job.

00:37:02Good job.

00:37:03Good job.

00:37:04Good job.

00:37:05Good job.

00:37:30.

00:38:00Can I get anybody some more coffee?

00:38:16No, we're going to be hitting it.

00:38:17I'll take care of the check.

00:38:18Oh, okay.

00:38:19There you go.

00:38:21Please pay at the register if you wouldn't mind.

00:38:24All right.

00:38:25All right.

00:38:25You girls, have a wonderful day.

00:38:28All right.

00:38:31All right.

00:38:34All right.

00:38:35All right.

00:38:36I'm going to take care of this.

00:38:38You all leave the tip, okay?

00:38:39And when I come back, I want my book back.

00:38:42Oh, sorry.

00:38:44It's my book now.

00:38:45Pink, would you shoot this piece of shit, huh?

00:38:52Oh, yeah.

00:38:54Okay, everybody cough up green for the little lady.

00:38:56Come on.

00:38:58There we go.

00:38:59There we go.

00:39:00There we go.

00:39:00Come on.

00:39:01Throw in a buck.

00:39:02Hold on a second.

00:39:04Hold on a second.

00:39:11Uh-uh.

00:39:11I don't tip.

00:39:13What do you mean you don't tip?

00:39:16I don't believe in it.

00:39:19You don't believe in tipping?

00:39:21I love this chick.

00:39:24She's a bad chick.

00:39:26Uh, listen.

00:39:28Listen.

00:39:29Uh, wait.

00:39:32Hang on.

00:39:32I'm sorry.

00:39:33You have any idea what these guys make?

00:39:35No, don't.

00:39:36Don't give me that.

00:39:37They don't make enough money.

00:39:38Don't give me that, please.

00:39:41He don't make enough money?

00:39:42Listen to this.

00:39:44He can quit.

00:39:45Okay, I don't know any other woman that got ovaries to even say that.

00:39:51Okay, so, so let's get this straight.

00:39:56You never, ever tip?

00:39:59No.

00:40:00I don't tip because society says I gotta.

00:40:03I tip when somebody deserves a tip.

00:40:06When somebody really puts forth an effort.

00:40:09You know, they deserve a little something extra.

00:40:12But this tipping automatically, the shit's for the birds.

00:40:14As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.

00:40:19Wow.

00:40:20Our girl is nice.

00:40:21No, our guy was okay.

00:40:24He didn't do anything special.

00:40:26What, what, what, what's something special?

00:40:28Take you in the kitchen and go down on you?

00:40:32I'd go over 12% for that.

00:40:36All right, ladies.

00:40:37Ladies, look, look.

00:40:38I ordered a coffee, right?

00:40:40Now, we've been here a long freaking time, haven't we?

00:40:43He's only filled up my coffee three times.

00:40:47When I order a coffee, I expect it to be filled six times.

00:40:52Whoa.

00:40:53Well, what if he's too busy?

00:40:54The words too busy shouldn't be in a waiter's vocabulary.

00:40:57Okay, excuse me, Miss White, but the last thing you need is another cup of coffee.

00:41:02Look, these boys aren't starving to death.

00:41:05They make minimum wage.

00:41:06When I worked for minimum wage, I wasn't lucky enough to have a job that society deemed tip worthy.

00:41:12Okay, so, oh, oh, okay.

00:41:16Now I get it.

00:41:17Okay, now we're getting down to it.

00:41:19It's not that she's a cheapyage.

00:41:22Although it is that too.

00:41:23Yeah, it is.

00:41:25It is that too.

00:41:26But it's also, she couldn't get a waiter's job.

00:41:31Uh-uh.

00:41:32You talk like a pissed off dishwasher.

00:41:34Beep those writers and waiters.

00:41:38Beep those waiters and those beep tips.

00:41:42So, you don't care that they need your tips to live?

00:41:47Hey, ladies.

00:41:49You know what this is?

00:41:51Listen close.

00:41:54What is it?

00:41:55It's the world's smallest violin.

00:41:57Playing for the waiters.

00:41:59Wow, wow, wow, you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

00:42:03These people bust their eight.

00:42:06This is a hard job.

00:42:08Okay, so working at McDonald's is also a hard job, but you don't feel the need to tip them there, do you?

00:42:13They work harder than the kids at McDonald's.

00:42:15Oh, yeah, I don't see them cleaning fryers.

00:42:18These people are taxed on the tips they make.

00:42:20You know, when you stiff them, it costs them money.

00:42:23Well, waitering is the number one job for male non-college graduates to make money.

00:42:31It's a job that basically any guy can get and make a living, and the reason is because of the tips.

00:42:38Oh, well, beep all that, okay?

00:42:42Hey, hey, listen.

00:42:43I'm very sorry that the government taxes their tips.

00:42:47That's messed up.

00:42:49But that ain't my fault.

00:42:50It would appear that waiters are just one of the many groups the government screws on a regular basis.

00:42:58I've got two words for these guys.

00:43:01Learn to fucking take.

00:43:03Because if you're expecting me to help out with the rent, you're in for a big effing surprise.

00:43:11Well, she convinced me.

00:43:13You know what?

00:43:13Give me back my dog.

00:43:14No, no.

00:43:15Ramblers, ramblers, let's get to rambling.

00:43:22All right, wait a minute.

00:43:24Who didn't throw in?

00:43:25Ms. White.

00:43:27Why?

00:43:28She don't tip.

00:43:29She don't tip?

00:43:31You don't tip?

00:43:33Why?

00:43:33She don't believe in it.

00:43:35Oh, she don't believe in it.

00:43:37You don't believe in it.

00:43:38Nope, she don't.

00:43:40Shut up.

00:43:43Cough up the buck, you cheap bastard.

00:43:46I paid for your goddamn breakfast.

00:43:47All right, well, because you paid for the breakfast, I'm going to tip.

00:43:53Normally, I wouldn't.

00:43:55Just whatever.

00:43:56Just throw in your dollar and let's move.

00:43:58See what I'm dealing with here?

00:44:00You see it?

00:44:01Infants.

00:44:02I'm frigging dealing with infants.

00:44:03Oh.

00:44:04Oh, my goodness.

00:44:35See what I deserve.

00:44:36See what I deserve.

00:44:36Bye-bye.

00:44:36See what I deserve.

00:44:37Bye-bye.

00:44:38Bye-bye.

00:44:39Ow.

00:44:39Bye.

00:44:42Bye-bye.

00:44:53Good second.

00:44:56Bye-bye.

00:45:01Bye-bye.

00:45:01.

00:45:31So, you buy furniture, you tell yourself, this is the last sofa I ever have to buy, right?

00:45:59And then you buy the right set of dishes, and then you buy the right bed and the drapes

00:46:04and the rug.

00:46:06Now, no matter what else goes wrong in your life, you've got all that handled.

00:46:12But now, your condo burned down, and you have nothing.

00:46:20So are you sitting here feeling like this is the best thing that ever happened to you?

00:46:25I mean...

00:46:26Maybe?

00:46:27I guess so.

00:46:28I don't know.

00:46:29You...

00:46:30So maybe...

00:46:31I don't know you.

00:46:32So maybe, you know, I'm wrong.

00:46:33Maybe it's a terrible tragedy to you.

00:46:34I mean...

00:46:35I guess so.

00:46:36I mean...

00:46:37You lost everything.

00:46:39Heck with it all.

00:46:40It doesn't matter.

00:46:41Wow.

00:46:42That's pretty strong.

00:46:43Yeah.

00:46:44Do you have family you can call?

00:46:47Oh, God.

00:46:48My dad...

00:46:49He would just go into hysterics.

00:46:50And my mom...

00:46:51I don't even know where she is.

00:46:52I don't even know where she is.

00:46:54I only knew her for six years.

00:47:00Then she ran off to a new city and married another man and had another kid.

00:47:06Every six years, new city, new family.

00:47:09She was just setting up franchises.

00:47:11Mmm.

00:47:12Wow.

00:47:13Mmm.

00:47:14And look what it's done to you.

00:47:16To me?

00:47:17We're on a third pitcher of beer and you still can't ask me.

00:47:22Huh?

00:47:23Why don't you cut the shit and ask me if you could stay at my place?

00:47:28Well, would that be a problem?

00:47:30Is it a problem for you to ask me?

00:47:32Can I stay at your place?

00:47:36Yes.

00:47:37Thanks.

00:47:38Do me one favor.

00:47:40What was that?

00:47:43I want you to hit me as hard as you can.

00:47:50Um, what's that?

00:47:54You want me to hit you?

00:47:56I don't know about this, Tyler.

00:47:58I don't know either.

00:48:00I just want to find out.

00:48:02We're virgins.

00:48:03None of us...

00:48:04Neither of us has ever been hit before.

00:48:06What?

00:48:07You've never been in a fight.

00:48:09I've never been hit.

00:48:12Uh...

00:48:13Well, okay.

00:48:14That...

00:48:15Well, I didn't say that.

00:48:16I said, okay, well, that's good, isn't it?

00:48:18Listen to me.

00:48:20Hit me.

00:48:21You are the only person I've ever asked.

00:48:23Me?

00:48:24Yeah.

00:48:25Yeah.

00:48:26Go crazy.

00:48:27Let it rip.

00:48:28No, look.

00:48:29I've never hit anyone in my life.

00:48:31Go crazy.

00:48:32Come on.

00:48:33Hit me.

00:48:34Hit me.

00:48:35I mean, where do you want it?

00:48:37In the face or the stomach?

00:48:40Surprise me.

00:48:41Oh.

00:48:42Oh.

00:48:43Okay.

00:48:44Sorry.

00:48:45Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:48:46That one didn't count.

00:48:47Okay.

00:48:48Let me try again.

00:48:49Let me try.

00:48:50Like hell.

00:48:51That counted.

00:48:52Oh!

00:48:53What?

00:48:54Yeah.

00:48:55So now, how do you feel?

00:48:57Strange.

00:48:58Right?

00:48:59But a good strange?

00:49:00Is it?

00:49:01Yeah.

00:49:02I mean, we've crossed the threshold.

00:49:04I guess so.

00:49:05So, you want to call it off?

00:49:07Call what off?

00:49:08The fight.

00:49:09What fight?

00:49:10I am tired of watching only everyone else do fighting.

00:49:13I don't want to die without any scars.

00:49:14I mean, how much could you really know about yourself if you've never gone at it one-on-one?

00:49:20Tyler.

00:49:21Tyler.

00:49:22Are you a wuss?

00:49:23Huh?

00:49:24Huh?

00:49:25No.

00:49:26What?

00:49:27What?

00:49:28I'm tired of watching only everyone else do fighting.

00:49:32I don't want to die without any scars.

00:49:34I mean, how much could you really know about yourself if you've never gone at it one-on-one.

00:49:40Tyler.

00:49:44Are you a wuss?

00:49:46Huh?

00:49:51Okay.

00:49:55Wait.

00:49:59Oh.

00:50:03Ow!

00:50:07Ow!

00:50:11Ow!

00:50:15Ow!

00:50:17Ow!

00:50:19Get out!

00:50:21Get out!

00:50:23Oh, God!

00:50:25Oh!

00:50:27Oh!

00:50:29Get out!

00:50:31Get out!

00:50:43What were you fighting?

00:50:45My job?

00:50:47My boss.

00:50:49And, you know, Marla and my support groups.

00:50:53Everything that's broken and doesn't want to work in my life.

00:50:57No.

00:50:59What were you fighting?

00:51:01My mother.

00:51:03We should do this again sometime, huh?

00:51:07Yeah!

00:51:13We made it!

00:51:15We made it!

00:51:17We made it!

00:51:19We made it!

00:51:21We made it!

00:51:23We made it!

00:51:25All right!

00:51:27Shit everywhere!

00:51:29Shit everywhere!

00:51:31All right!

00:51:33Yo!

00:51:35We did it!

00:51:37We did it, y'all!

00:51:39We did it, y'all!

00:51:41Wow, we did it.

00:51:43Sorry.

00:51:45Was that real beer?

00:51:47I think so.

00:52:17You know, what was the day or the day?

00:52:19I just ended up in my life,

00:52:21I think, you know.

00:52:23But over the last night,

00:52:25just a year, it was an hour.

00:52:27You don't want to go for it.

00:52:29You know?

00:52:31It's not a day, I think?

00:52:33Back to the day.

00:52:35All right!

00:53:37There's a ghost in the machine.

00:53:44So firstly, what did you think about that?

00:53:46It was pretty great.

00:53:47I think they should take that on the road.

00:53:56So I'm just, we may work out a pitch later.

00:53:59So before I bring out the actors, I want to just, again, congratulate anyone who's been

00:54:04associated with this festival for the last 10 years.

00:54:06You cannot quantify or qualify the impact you've made on people's lives, the people in

00:54:10this room, but also artists who've come through this festival.

00:54:13It's truly life-changing and truly important work.

00:54:15So let's give a round of applause to everyone who's helped Bentonville.

00:54:18And now we will bring out Gina and friends.

00:54:26So come on out, ladies.

00:54:32Hello.

00:54:33So, Gina, tell me how much rehearsal time you had before today?

00:54:41Oh, a couple hours.

00:54:42A couple hours.

00:54:43It's pretty great, honestly.

00:54:45This is very, very impressive work.

00:54:47And I have to say the Goodfellas moment was truly iconic.

00:54:50Truly, truly, I wish, I wish Scorsese could be here to see this.

00:54:56He could learn a lot from you.

00:54:57So thank you so much.

00:54:59I do want to share an anecdote that is near and dear to my heart, which is on the subject

00:55:04of gender flipping in terms of roles, right?

00:55:07And this concerns you, Gina.

00:55:09So my husband wrote this really wonderful movie a few years ago, and it's a modern Western,

00:55:15and it figures on a very irascible older Texan.

00:55:18It was originally a male character, and a few years into him selling it, I said, why

00:55:24don't you just make it a woman?

00:55:25Like, don't change anything about the script.

00:55:27Make it a woman.

00:55:28And he did, and now Gina Davis is playing the lead in that movie.

00:55:34Yes.

00:55:37So never underestimate a quick gender flip.

00:55:41Don't change anything else about the character, maybe biological references or, you know.

00:55:45Just the first name.

00:55:45Yes, the first name, and anything to do with, like, a person's body, but really that, for

00:55:50me, is just a wonderful lesson, and men and women can be written differently, but also

00:55:55there's a real human nature to human stories.

00:55:58So just keep that in mind for anyone in the room who's about to write something.

00:56:02So, Gina, you're next to me, so you're going to be my first question.

00:56:04Congratulations, and I just realized it's been exactly 10 years since we first met.

00:56:10I booked Gina and her amazing friend Susan Sarandon for a Thelma and Louise reunion photo

00:56:15shoot 10 years ago this month.

00:56:17Wild, which is wild.

00:56:22Incredible, and of course we talked about Brad Pitt that day, because, obviously.

00:56:25That day, I'll never forget, we talked about what you learned from Susan on set, and you've

00:56:31written about this and talked about this, and by the way, if you have not read Gina's memoir,

00:56:35Dying of Politeness, it is required reading.

00:56:38So please go buy this book.

00:56:39It's absolutely wonderful memoir.

00:56:42You talked about how you hadn't seen or worked with a woman like Susan who actually, in real

00:56:47time, was able to assert herself on set.

00:56:50She pushed back against Ridley Scott in moments that didn't feel authentic to her.

00:56:55So my question to you is, when you saw that modeled for you, what was the impact on, first

00:57:00of all, the decisions you made after that, and also just, when you think about that moment,

00:57:05how has it informed this amazing work you've been doing for now 20 years?

00:57:09Well, it absolutely changed my life to work with Susan.

00:57:13I mean, from minute one, I was like, wow, because she never used qualifiers before she

00:57:21said things.

00:57:22Like, sorry, I'm so sorry.

00:57:24Can I please?

00:57:25I'm like, oh, this is probably a stupid idea.

00:57:27And I might, maybe I shouldn't say it, but what do you think you're saying?

00:57:31With the question marks at the end.

00:57:32And so she just says, why don't we do this?

00:57:35And I was like, huh?

00:57:36I guess I've never been exposed to a woman who just says what she thinks.

00:57:43And so I had a three-month bath in watching someone move through, a woman move through

00:57:50the world like that.

00:57:50So it really, it changed my life.

00:57:54And in fits and starts, you know, it was really.

00:57:58It's not a linear experience.

00:57:59Yeah, it's not, it was not linear at all.

00:58:01But I really got, well, actually, we got together for the 20th anniversary for a photo shoot

00:58:10or something that we're doing an article.

00:58:13And so we both walk out on the set where the camera is already set and it's on a tripod

00:58:19and it's really low to the ground.

00:58:22That's never good.

00:58:23A low shot.

00:58:24It's not a good, it's not a good angle.

00:58:26So we both walk out there and in unison said, could you raise that up?

00:58:32And I was like, I'm you.

00:58:33Okay, I'm now you.

00:58:36She was like, huh?

00:58:37But it was a very meaningful moment for me, you know, that I said what Susan would say.

00:58:43Yeah.

00:58:44That's amazing.

00:58:45And how did Ridley receive this?

00:58:48Because at the time, I mean, he was already a giant director.

00:58:50Yeah.

00:58:51And helming really what would become one of the most iconic movies of all time.

00:58:54Was he receptive to this kind of feedback in that moment?

00:58:57Oh, no, he had absolutely no problem with it.

00:59:02Nobody reacted like there was anything unusual about Susan.

00:59:07Everybody loved it.

00:59:08They didn't say, well, we like Gina better because she's a complete wimp.

00:59:14Which, of course, no one thought that about you at the time.

00:59:16There was nothing confrontational about it.

00:59:19She said, let's do this.

00:59:20Why don't we do this?

00:59:20Whatever.

00:59:21And he actually is quite a feminist.

00:59:26I mean, look at the movie, right?

00:59:28But his company is almost all run by almost all women.

00:59:34He really, I mean, he decided, he was just the producer at first,

00:59:38but he decided to direct the movie because he really felt like he understood it,

00:59:43which he did.

00:59:43And Callie Curry's amazing script.

00:59:46We have to give her a shout out and really talk about a trailblazer.

00:59:49Yeah.

00:59:49Incredible script.

00:59:50Thank you for sharing that.

00:59:51Yeah.

00:59:51Amazing.

00:59:53Tika, congratulations on your amazing career and all the wonderful work you've done.

00:59:56I first met you at Sundance in 2016 when you were promoting a wonderful film called South Side with You,

01:00:02in which she played a young attorney named Michelle Robinson who meets a young, charming attorney named Barack Obama.

01:00:08Very cute movie if you haven't seen it.

01:00:10Very sweet.

01:00:12And it's wild to think how far you've come since then.

01:00:14It's been a wild few years.

01:00:16So you and Gina have something interesting in common,

01:00:18which is that you both started your careers as models.

01:00:21And this is an interesting entree to the business.

01:00:23There are a lot of examples of people who've had success,

01:00:26Sybil Shepard, Lauren Hutton, the list goes on.

01:00:28But I know that that's not a traditional entree to the business.

01:00:32Tell me what was most helpful to you in having that background,

01:00:36but also what proved to be a hindrance as you tried to have people see you as something other than that person.

01:00:44Honestly, when, I mean, I grew up in New York and I was just trying to get a job,

01:00:47any job that would feed me, you know.

01:00:50And I wouldn't say I was a, I don't call myself a real model.

01:00:53Like, she's actually tall.

01:00:55And I was like, when I got on like, you know, you know,

01:00:58you go into like Walmart or Kmart and you see the girl and she's like,

01:01:02that was me.

01:01:03It still counts.

01:01:04It still counts as modeling.

01:01:05And my mom would go in and steal them.

01:01:07And, you know, I still have them.

01:01:09So that was like kind of my modeling.

01:01:11And so, but what it did teach me was like, you know, be open.

01:01:15Be open to it all, right?

01:01:17Like, and especially nowadays, I feel like nobody,

01:01:20nobody's confined to being just one thing.

01:01:23Most women, especially are actors, producers, directors, writers,

01:01:26and sometimes not because they want to be all the things,

01:01:29but because it's just necessary.

01:01:30You kind of have to now.

01:01:32And you have to, everybody's all those things.

01:01:34And so when, when that kind of time rolled around,

01:01:37it was like, like I produced outside with you.

01:01:40And, you know, there, there's something that I'm coming to produce now.

01:01:43That's about, that's greenlit.

01:01:45And it wasn't hard for me to juggle because I'm like, I've done it all.

01:01:51Like I had to do it all.

01:01:52I had no choice because I was.

01:01:53You probably learn a lot in that process too.

01:01:54Again, self-advocacy and just making sure that you're always positioned properly

01:01:59and you feel safe and you speak up.

01:02:01It's great training actually.

01:02:03Yeah.

01:02:03I mean, obviously the longer you get in the business,

01:02:06the more confident you become, you know,

01:02:07because you feel like you can advocate for yourself.

01:02:09But yeah, I mean, it was all really good.

01:02:11It's, it's all good experience.

01:02:13Every experience is, even when it's tough, it's good.

01:02:15Yeah.

01:02:16Michaela, congratulations on Suze.

01:02:19Really, it's BFF selection this, this week.

01:02:25And I'm very partial because I'm your friend,

01:02:27but it's really sensational work.

01:02:29I can't wait for everyone to see it.

01:02:31And you also have something in common with Gina,

01:02:33which is you both went to Boston University.

01:02:35Have you discussed this?

01:02:36Okay.

01:02:36And by the way, Boston University is like the most represented school in Hollywood

01:02:40among executives and powerful women.

01:02:42Wow.

01:02:43We once did a photo shoot at Hollywood Reporter

01:02:44and there were like 60 alumna, female alums who had gone to BU.

01:02:49So great training ground.

01:02:50Too bad they cut me from their programs.

01:02:53True story.

01:02:54Well, you, you would get your revenge later.

01:02:56So I'm not sure if you're familiar with Michaela's background.

01:03:00She has an amazing background.

01:03:01She studied comedy at the Groundlings in Los Angeles.

01:03:05And at that point was discovered by SNL and was a cast member on SNL from 2008 to 2009.

01:03:11And then we're not asked to come back after that.

01:03:14And I know that's never an easy experience.

01:03:17And your friend Casey Wilson also experienced that alongside of you.

01:03:20What did you learn from that experience?

01:03:22And how did that shape the way you saw your work going forward about what you wanted to do,

01:03:28what you don't want to do?

01:03:30And what were your biggest lessons learned during that year?

01:03:33Oh, so simple question.

01:03:34Yeah, super easy.

01:03:37First of all, thanks for plugging Suze.

01:03:39Of course, always.

01:03:40But I, I would say back to your original thing is I, what you were saying, Tika, is I, the biggest thing is no one was going to cast me in the roles I wanted to do because I wasn't Hollywood pretty enough to be leading lady.

01:03:58And I wasn't character lady enough to be the really funny lady roles.

01:04:02And so I knew that my biggest asset was going to be writing for myself.

01:04:07And that's what the Groundlings provided me.

01:04:10And essentially, and for those who aren't familiar, every actor who comes out of Groundlings also is a writer.

01:04:15You can't go through it without also writing your own material.

01:04:17If you become a main company member, you've definitely gone into, you start out with improv and then you do sketch writing.

01:04:22And so when SNL didn't invite me back, it was very, it's, we all, we all have rejection, you know, in our business.

01:04:33We could probably, if you had 20 hours, we probably couldn't even give you the list of all our rejections.

01:04:39But to fail that publicly on such a big stage was such a bummer.

01:04:46And I also got it late in life because I'm kind of a late bloomer.

01:04:49And I was 30, I was almost 37 when I started that show.

01:04:53That's the age, like two years after people are when they leave the show.

01:04:57And they leave to do their feature career.

01:04:59Yeah, exactly.

01:05:00So it wasn't that, I guess I was just like, I was already fully cooked at that point.

01:05:06And my big thing was, I don't want to be known as the woman who was fired from SNL.

01:05:12I have to, I really, and so I really had to humble myself.

01:05:17I went back to Groundlings.

01:05:19I went back to buying my own costumes at Goodwill.

01:05:23I went back, I even took a song improv class, which the one thing I couldn't, I tried to go back to was waitressing.

01:05:30And that just broke my heart too much.

01:05:32So I took unemployment instead.

01:05:35And I didn't, it was the one time in my life because I was embarrassed.

01:05:40But I wrote a script with my friend Damon.

01:05:45And then we thought, well, this would be a good pilot.

01:05:49Let's just see if we can do it.

01:05:50And then that became a series called Benched.

01:05:53And then I just started working a lot.

01:05:56And I really hadn't stopped after that until the strike.

01:06:01That was a tough time.

01:06:02Yeah, a tough time.

01:06:04But do you find that Hollywood has a very short memory?

01:06:07It's not like anyone is sitting around thinking, OMG, I cannot believe Lorne Michaels didn't ask Michaela and Casey Wilson to come back for the 2009 season.

01:06:16I mean, people have such a short memory.

01:06:17I just don't even know I was on the show because not, because it wasn't a ton of people watching it.

01:06:21It was after, it was right, Barack had been elected and Tina Fey and Amy left to go have their baby.

01:06:27And so I think it kind of went quiet.

01:06:29But just on that note, like that is a big thing.

01:06:33As a woman, I, my big worry, and this is the last thing I'll say, but my big worry was that people would think that I was let go because I was either bad.

01:06:44If they didn't watch the show, they were like, well, she must have been bad and I wasn't bad, you know, or they think she must be difficult to work with because, right, that's the other thing.

01:06:53And I wasn't difficult to work with.

01:06:55I was a big, big old people pleaser and maybe to a fault.

01:06:59But I, I would say that that was my fear.

01:07:03But we all know it's because I was old.

01:07:04Okay, that's the end of that.

01:07:07It's a very political machine over there.

01:07:10It's, it's really intense.

01:07:11We could talk for days just about that process, but we love seeing you thrive.

01:07:15And we're so glad that you've done the work that you've done because you deserve better.

01:07:18So there.

01:07:19Yes.

01:07:19Thank you, Michaela.

01:07:21Thanks.

01:07:25And next, Saura, how are you?

01:07:28Congratulations for being a relatively young person.

01:07:30You have done a lot of work in your life.

01:07:32Congratulations.

01:07:32And you started with one of my favorite people, Tony Hale and Mysterious Benedict Society on Disney Plus, a wonderful show that I hope people are continuing to discover.

01:07:42I wanted to talk to you about something that's been in the news a lot in the last few months, which is the Quiet on the Set docu-series about children and the experiences that they've had in Nickelodeon.

01:07:52Very important.

01:07:53You can stream it on Macs, but it was made by Investigation Discovery.

01:07:56And I wanted to ask you to what degree those anecdotes have resonated with you.

01:08:01And if not, that's fine.

01:08:03They don't need to.

01:08:03But I, my main question is, what do you wish Hollywood better understood about working with young actors and what you need to feel safe and to do your best work?

01:08:14Well, that's an easy question.

01:08:15I mean, I'm not here for the fluff, you guys.

01:08:17This is, this is, this is a real stuff.

01:08:19This is why you're good at your job.

01:08:21I want it to be quality.

01:08:22I want it to, I want people to learn something tonight.

01:08:24No, for sure.

01:08:25It's, it's an important question.

01:08:26Um, I actually started on Nickelodeon.

01:08:31Um, my first big thing, I guess, when I started acting when I was six years old.

01:08:37Um, I'm now, I just turned 20.

01:08:39Um, but I.

01:08:41And you're from Canada.

01:08:42I am from Canada.

01:08:43Um, but I, yeah, I started when I was six years old.

01:08:47And then my first big thing was like theater.

01:08:50I did Les Mis at the Princess of Wales in Toronto.

01:08:52And then I moved on to a Nickelodeon sitcom called Max and Shred.

01:08:57I don't know how much I'm allowed to say.

01:09:01Um, all I'll say is that we had a really, really wonderful showrunner, um, writer, director, um,

01:09:10George, who protected us and I think made the decision to, to make this show on his own for reasons that we now know now, uh, that we now know.

01:09:22Um, so, yeah, those stories, uh, rang true to a degree.

01:09:29Um, definitely not in the same way.

01:09:35Um, I had a wonderful support system growing up.

01:09:39I think I was definitely one of the lucky ones.

01:09:42Um, I had parents that were beyond present and there for me.

01:09:46And your mom is here tonight, by the way.

01:09:48My mom is sitting right there.

01:09:49She's somewhere.

01:09:50Gay moms.

01:09:51There she is.

01:09:54Amazing.

01:09:55To have amazing parents who support and are looking out for you.

01:09:58It's really a gift.

01:09:59Yeah.

01:10:00Beyond present, supportive, protective, um, and, and did everything in their power to make sure that I was okay.

01:10:07And that, uh, you know, I had somebody to advocate for me.

01:10:11Unfortunately, I did see instances of other child actors not having that privilege, um, not having the right guidance or the right chaperones, um, parents being there for the wrong reasons, parents not being there at all.

01:10:26Um, and I, I definitely think there are, um, laws in place now.

01:10:33Things have changed a lot since then too.

01:10:34Definitely changed, um, and, and, and, and children are far more protected, um, than they ever were, but that doesn't mean things are perfect.

01:10:43And so to answer your question, if I were to say one thing is if you notice that there are children on set that don't have a great support system, that don't have parents that are advocating for them, or a chaperone, or,

01:10:58and it doesn't have to be parents, just, just, uh, a grownup advocating for them, um, be that person on set.

01:11:07I, I had many crew members, um, people who played friends or older siblings or parents, um, on set that, like, if, if, you know, a parent stepped away for a moment to take a work call or whatever advocated for me, were there looking out for me.

01:11:21Um, and they were a part of that village too.

01:11:26Um, and so I think it's just about stepping in when, when you notice if you're a part of that village, if you're a part of that community, make sure that you're one of those people that is looking out for kids on set.

01:11:36And don't be afraid to say something.

01:11:37I think there's so much like, oh, it's not my business.

01:11:39That's family business.

01:11:40I'd always are on the side of asking if I sound pushy, then fine.

01:11:44But sort of, if you see something, say something.

01:11:45This is true.

01:11:46And I had parents that like were the opposite of set parents.

01:11:48Like my mom's a lawyer.

01:11:50She doesn't care.

01:11:51She was like, if, if I wanted to quit tomorrow, she, she would be like, okay, great.

01:11:54Let's figure it out.

01:11:55What do you want to do now?

01:11:56Um, but you know, there were instances for sure where things weren't a hundred percent right.

01:12:02And, and, you know, there were nerves about looking like a, a stage mom or, or appearing difficult overbearing or looking overprotective and difficult on behalf of your child.

01:12:15Um, but there were people in these rooms that advocated on our behalf, um, that we, we love and appreciate.

01:12:25So I think it's just about making sure that there, there are those allies on set, figuring out who those people are.

01:12:30That is so great.

01:12:31And I really haven't heard that many people articulate that point.

01:12:33So thank you for that.

01:12:34Very helpful.

01:12:36And Cassandra, congratulations to you.

01:12:38You've had quite a varied career in a relatively short time.

01:12:41You've been on Atlanta, Blue Bloods, Luke Cage, The Last OG, Bel Air.

01:12:45That's a wide range.

01:12:47You have not been typecast as far as I can tell.

01:12:49But I do want to ask about that because I once had a conversation with the amazing Viola Davis about being typecast and what that feels like and how hard it is to break out of a mold that maybe within your six, you're succeeding and people, oh, she's really good at that.

01:13:05Let's keep her in that space.

01:13:06So I'd love to know, have you experienced that?

01:13:09And if so, how have you advocated for yourself to break free of those feelings?

01:13:14And if not, what has been your experience, I guess, to the contrary?

01:13:17Didn't you say today there was, we cast you in something and you said, I'm being typecast.

01:13:24I was like, I'm so strong.

01:13:25A lot of my kids, I was so straight and strong today, which, you know, that's good too.

01:13:33You know, it's funny.

01:13:34I think I've, in some ways, I have not been typecast.

01:13:41And, you know, it's so funny.

01:13:42I mean, when I began my career, like in high school and undergrad, I was always the prostitute, the maid, the prostitute and the maid.

01:13:51And so I remember when I finally went off to grad school, I auditioned for Yale and NYU.

01:13:55And I remember when I walked into Yale, they were like, so prostitutes and maids, what do you think this says about your talent?

01:14:01And I said, I think it says I live in Florida.

01:14:07And I really, I mean, even when we did comedy of errors, like a Shakespeare play, I still played Luce the maid.

01:14:14I was like, how y'all do this?

01:14:15How y'all do this?

01:14:16So by the time I got to NYU, I think I have to plug NYU grad school because they did such a great job of allowing me to be as expansive, even more expansive than I even saw myself.

01:14:28And so by the time I went off into the real world, the truth is my auditions are very much typecast.

01:14:34But the truth is the way you play the game in Hollywood is you have to play what you look like.

01:14:40OK.

01:14:40And, you know, I think Viola Davis is a very beautiful woman.

01:14:44Absolutely.

01:14:44I think I positioned myself to just be like, oh, I'm wearing lipstick and I have my hair like this.

01:14:49But if the world doesn't want that, I go in with my hair looking different, you know.

01:14:53And I think I can look, I look so different in the way I do my hair and my makeup.

01:15:00You wouldn't even, I mean, even on Bel Air, the director, the executive producers will be like, hey, how you doing?

01:15:05Cassie, this is you.

01:15:06I'm like, I know, it's crazy.

01:15:10But the way I advocate for myself is from the very beginning of my career, you know, I play the roles that feel like would be cool to do.

01:15:18And I remember when Atlanta showed up, that was the first season.

01:15:22And the people who repped me at that time, they were like, Donald Glover, there's something in Atlanta.

01:15:27What is this?

01:15:27I don't think anyone knew what that show would become.

01:15:29Exactly.

01:15:30But if you watched Donald Glover's music videos at that time, they were stupendous.

01:15:38They were artistic.

01:15:40And I said, are y'all not looking at the breadcrumbs?

01:15:43And so when I went down to do, so when I got that role, I was like, no, this is where I feel like I've been very lucky to work with people who have like a beautiful artistic eye, even in the independent films I've done that have gone off to all these film festivals.

01:15:55But at the end of the day, I think I'm a great advocate for myself because my agents, I tell them all the time, like, you know what season we're in right now?

01:16:03We're in the season where I want to play da da da.

01:16:05So Bel Air only came because after I did, like, For Life and something else, I was playing these very strong, like, women, but they had no sexuality.

01:16:14And I feel like black women get trapped in this box where we're not even a woman.

01:16:19We do flip.

01:16:20A lot of times, if it's a male role, they'll give it to the black woman and be like, play this role.

01:16:24And now you're a lesbian.

01:16:26And we're going to, her name's not Nick.

01:16:28It's Nicky now.

01:16:30But still wear pants and don't wear too much makeup.

01:16:33And you're like, uh, so by the time, so anyway, I'd say my career is about me calling up my people.

01:16:39I'd say, don't send me another judge, lawyer, cop.

01:16:42We're not doing anything like that.

01:16:44The sort of the wise black woman advisor, the counselor, the, this has become, and it's a great typecasting little pod, but it's also after a while.

01:16:53It's so limiting.

01:16:54Absolutely limiting.

01:16:54So, but I think the whole message here is you have to tell your people what you want to go out for.

01:16:58Because, listen, agents don't have enough bandwidth to be like, you can be anything.

01:17:02And so you have to be like, listen.

01:17:03So I literally told my people, I really want, this is the stupidest thing.

01:17:07Because I really want to play someone kind of rich who just thinks about their life, like existential stuff, you know.

01:17:12And, and she just, and she wears beautiful clothes and kind of sexy.

01:17:16And then Bel Air showed up.

01:17:18And I said, yeah, but not Aunt Viv.

01:17:20Yeah, that's, not that.

01:17:22And so they had to convince me to even audition because I was like, I'm not, but the producers for that show had such an expansive view of even how she is.

01:17:29So I just talk and then just don't audition.

01:17:32I think that's the thing.

01:17:33That's the one where you can advocate for yourself.

01:17:35Things come in and you'll be like, I don't even have the energy.

01:17:37I don't even have the energy.

01:17:38And there are other things I can do.

01:17:39I talked to Nisi Nash about this last year and she has a wonderful trajectory and starting in a very goofy show, Reno 911.

01:17:47Of course.

01:17:47But desperately wanted to be seen as a dramatic actor and they refused to even see her for dramatic roles.

01:17:54And she said something that has really stuck with me, which is something she said to the casting directors of the specific HBO series called Getting On,

01:18:00in which she's, in my opinion, done her best work and won an Emmy.

01:18:04She said, I invite you to see me differently.

01:18:08So that's what she said to the casting directors.

01:18:10Can you just imagine Nisi and her, like, regal delivery?

01:18:13I love that concept and I think it's something that each of us can take into our work.

01:18:17And it's aggressive, but it's very polite.

01:18:20Like, I invite you to stop pigeonholing me in, you know, such and such role.

01:18:23But you know what?

01:18:24People don't always know you want to play other things.

01:18:26They really don't.

01:18:27So every time I've ever said anything, people are like, really?

01:18:30You want to be funny?

01:18:32Yeah, can I go?

01:18:32That's why the last OG came out and said, can I be something funny now?

01:18:35They don't know.

01:18:36We have to speak up, is really what this boils down to.

01:18:38You know what I said one time?

01:18:40I don't know if this, can you hear me?

01:18:41Yeah.

01:18:41You know what I said one time when I got a script and I read it and I sent it back to the writer,

01:18:47I sent it back to my agents and I said, I want to be offered a role that if it was being offered

01:18:58to Zach Galifianakis, the writer wouldn't be embarrassed to offer it to Zach Galifianakis.

01:19:03Wow.

01:19:04And that was a game changer because I feel like writers were just like, oh, well, a woman

01:19:10can do this.

01:19:11It's not really thought out.

01:19:12And if they asked us a question about this character, we wouldn't really understand or

01:19:16know because we hadn't put that much thought in it because it's the woman character.

01:19:19But you would never hand that to Zach Galifianakis, for example, and say like, here you go.

01:19:25It's a really thin character idea.

01:19:28That's a trope.

01:19:29Have fun.

01:19:31You know, it would be like funny on the page.

01:19:33And I was like, bring it funny on the page to women.

01:19:38You know?

01:19:38Yes.

01:19:39Amen.

01:19:40Yes.

01:19:42So I have a closing question for everyone, which is, and for all the kind of mostly centered

01:19:47and directed at the filmmakers in the room, and what is one actionable thing that each

01:19:52artist in this room today or someone who's attended the festival this week can do when

01:19:56they get to set or when they're writing something or having cursory meetings about a new project

01:20:01to create gender equity on set?

01:20:03What is something that every person can do that's small, that's scalable, that's a quick

01:20:08fix that doesn't involve weeks and weeks and months and months of meetings?

01:20:12Michaela, what would you suggest?

01:20:14Can you say that question one more time?

01:20:15Sure.

01:20:16What is something that artists in this room and anyone who's been at the festival can

01:20:20do with their work to create gender equity on set, whether to your point in the script

01:20:26stage, like whether it's scene direction, the way a character is described, or I remember

01:20:30Ava DuVernay told me something that made me laugh.

01:20:33She said, nothing makes me happier than a woman with a tool belt on a ladder on set.

01:20:37Like the idea that you walk onto a set and you see, wow, I've never seen a person who

01:20:41looks like that doing that job.

01:20:43I think if you're in a position to have some power or say, or you've got to, you know,

01:20:47you're chum-chum-a-roo with the producers, et cetera, I think that you advocate for a female

01:20:52crew.

01:20:53Like you keep recommending, I know a great woman who can do this or non-binary or trans person

01:20:59who can do this.

01:21:00I know somebody who can do this.

01:21:01I know someone who could do this.

01:21:03And then you just like fill up the crew.

01:21:06And the other thing I would say is back up the people that are on set.

01:21:12Like for example, if Cassidy said something and I could tell it was getting missed, I would

01:21:17be like, wait, wait, wait, that's a really great idea.

01:21:19And then it just, if you get two people, it doesn't matter, saying something, then suddenly,

01:21:28because there's this like weird little sound barrier that women's voices can sometimes fall

01:21:34into where it just sounds like silverware clacking together.

01:21:37But it's actually us talking.

01:21:47This reminds me of something Amy Schumer once said, which is, I don't think we'll ever elect

01:21:51a woman president because it just reminds us of our mom yelling at us.

01:21:54And I think she's not totally off the mark with that.

01:21:57So I think it speaks to this like yammering.

01:21:59Oh, what is she saying now?

01:22:00Oh, her mouth is moving.

01:22:01So listen when people speak on set.

01:22:03And that's a great point.

01:22:04And if you notice somebody's not being heard, even if you don't agree with it, it doesn't

01:22:09matter.

01:22:09Make sure they're being heard.

01:22:10That is so great.

01:22:12And I think it's just like, there's a power, I think it's hard because there's a huge power

01:22:18imbalance.

01:22:19You know, if you're, most people who are not number one, two, three, and four, they can't

01:22:25really speak up for, like, they're like, uh-uh, I'm keeping my job, right?

01:22:30So if you are, you do have the power to do that, I would say do that.

01:22:34But I do want to give Paramount, like, a really good, like, a shout out.

01:22:40Because when I was cast in Sonic, they asked me to come read.

01:22:44And it became a huge hit.

01:22:47You know, after the first one, like, nobody knew what was going to happen.

01:22:50It became a hit.

01:22:51And they asked me to come back for the second one.

01:22:53And I said, I was close enough with the producers where I said, please don't make me pregnant

01:22:57on the phone the whole time for number two and three.

01:22:59And they were, like, they laughed.

01:23:01They were like, oh.

01:23:03I said, yeah, I don't want to be on the phone the whole time.

01:23:05And I don't want to be pregnant.

01:23:07Please let me be part of the action.

01:23:08And they wrote it.

01:23:10The writers listened.

01:23:10And this is, of course, a Jim Carrey franchise.

01:23:12Jim Carrey franchise.

01:23:13This is big budget, big money.

01:23:14James Marsden.

01:23:15Of course.

01:23:16Yeah.

01:23:16And Sonic, really.

01:23:17He's, like, the guy.

01:23:18And so what I will say is they listened.

01:23:21And also just, I think it trickles down from the top the way people are being treated.

01:23:25So if the top isn't doing the correct things, it's all going to trickle down.

01:23:29So I think it's up to the people who hold the weight of saying, I'm producing, I'm leading

01:23:34all these things to really help carry in the rest of the people.

01:23:38Agree, which is why we need more women in those C-suites and producing these movies.

01:23:43Does anyone else have anything to add?

01:23:45You don't have to feel pressured because those have been both very.

01:23:47It's just always fine.

01:23:48If you go back, before it even gets to set, I remember I had a producer, a friend of

01:23:52mine, a director-producer, who called me up.

01:23:55And he was in trouble at this time.

01:23:58And the press got wind that he was doing a project that was about one community, but

01:24:01he doesn't look like that community.

01:24:03And also no one on the team looked like that, you know, one of them kind of things.

01:24:07And he's like, Cassie, what do you think about this?

01:24:09And I said, well, let me think.

01:24:11You called your friend's husband's wife because that's the only person you know.

01:24:17Outside of your circle that is very white and male, you know.

01:24:21And so I started this company called Creatricity.

01:24:24And the whole point is if you don't have a Rolodex, like reach out to find a bigger Rolodex.

01:24:30So I think before the script even gets to the producers, I mean, we do it so naturally.

01:24:35All of us, when we were working on this, I don't know why women are so good being like,

01:24:39does this make sense?

01:24:40I wish men just did one extra footstep of, before we send this off, let one woman and

01:24:48maybe one person of interesting color, anything, anything, and say, does this seem too one-sided?

01:24:56Because we did this stuff up here on the stage today and it seems ridiculous.

01:25:00Right.

01:25:01Seems ridiculous.

01:25:02It's a great point.

01:25:07Have someone, just have someone take a pass and just say, hey, is there anything problematic

01:25:11in this script?

01:25:12Are there any red flags?

01:25:13Absolutely.

01:25:14Gina, do you want to offer anything?

01:25:15And you don't have to, but please do.

01:25:17Yes.

01:25:17So it really, as my friends have been saying, it is a lot about where you are on the call

01:25:24sheet, but I'm talking about actors, so, but if you are one, two, or three, you can plan

01:25:35ahead and look at it and let's say you're going to give a speech and a few days before

01:25:41something, say, is it okay if the people I'm speaking to, my workers or whoever, are half

01:25:51female and very diverse, and there's some people with disabilities in there and, you

01:25:57know, all that, so, and, because extras, it's the easiest thing, but it doesn't happen in

01:26:04real life.

01:26:05Like, there was a, there was a scene in Stuart Little, this was way before I had an institute

01:26:10or anything, but there was a remote control boat race, and I happened to be watching the

01:26:17assistant director setting up the, the kids that were, and so, uh, he'd pick a little

01:26:23boy out of the group of extras and have him sit down with a remote, and then he'd pick

01:26:27a little girl to stand behind that boy and be her, his cheerleader, and one, and he kept

01:26:33giving the remotes to boys, so I said, hey, what do you think if we gave half of the remotes

01:26:40two girls?

01:26:41And he went, yes, yes, oh my God, and switched it, and, uh, but, but, you know, you, that stuff

01:26:55is so easy, but we all have such incredible unconscious bias that, you know, it doesn't

01:27:02happen, so, uh, so that's, so things that may seem obvious to us may not be to someone

01:27:07else, so don't be afraid to even just make a polite suggestion, it's sort of like, you're

01:27:10not casting blame, it's more like, hey, what if we did X, which it sounds like that's what

01:27:15you did.

01:27:16Another, I think my, you know, fellow panelists here have said really great things about things

01:27:21on the early stages and, and, and development side of things, we were talking about this

01:27:26today, write it into your contract, there's like an extra layer of protection where it's

01:27:32like, hey, I'd like to get paid the exact same as my male co-star, or I'd like to

01:27:37have the same things, so that there's that extra layer of, like, hey, I have a right

01:27:41to be saying these things more than just, like, oh, I'm number three on the call sheet,

01:27:46um, so you have that extra layer of, like, hey, I can advocate for myself, but also the

01:27:51people around me.

01:27:52I love that, well, you are all very inspiring and amazing, impromptu actors, according to

01:27:57your performances tonight, um, thank you for all your work and your advocacy, and we wish

01:28:02you all the best, thank you so much for coming, thank you.

01:28:04Thank you so much for coming.

01:28:07Thank you all so much.

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