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00:00Stay on him as much as you can, on his face, when, you know, when we're talking.
00:19Are you sure you have to process the next person on it?
00:22You want to go? Yeah.
00:30Where? What side? Can I sit over here, then?
00:35Right, right. You can hear me okay, Chris, right?
00:45Okay.
01:00How's it been in here for you?
01:04Well, it's been getting harder.
01:06But at the end of the day, it's like, how can you stop? And why am I here?
01:13Are you innocent?
01:14Yes, I am.
01:16Have you ever said that you worked all of this?
01:19No, I haven't.
01:20To anybody?
01:21No. I never will.
01:24If you're innocent, I'll keep going.
01:31It might take 10 years.
01:34It might take 15 years.
01:36And I just want to always keep your expectations realistic.
01:42I honestly believe that one day the truth will come out.
01:54If we do not turn on the truth is true for you.
01:58Have a nice work.
01:59If you talk about heart and cl crashing in the dark of Johnathan,
02:03what are we in the book, in movies?
02:04People are running away from the moon.
02:07I've seen some shit before moving on to the moon.
02:09What are we'snt?
02:11Of course we're now living by God.
02:14That one day the shame of God is truly living inside.
02:17Instead, you're learning after the moon.
02:19What do you happen to not fail?
02:20When I met JJ, I remember thinking to myself, sure, yeah, right, he's innocent.
02:44But I knew from David Lemus' Palladium case how twisted the system can be.
02:51How you doing, Dan?
02:52So in the back of my mind, I thought, maybe it's possible.
02:57Okay.
02:58You ready?
02:59Yeah.
03:00Are you okay?
03:01Yeah.
03:02All right.
03:03For the most part, this area right here that I have covered, there's a bunch of files, mainly legal work.
03:10This is where I have all my legal work at.
03:13This is my work desk.
03:14Between here and my bed is where everything goes down in my cell.
03:17The 12th jury said you're here for a reason.
03:20That's right.
03:21That you should be locked up because you committed murder.
03:24That's what they gathered, but they didn't know the whole story.
03:28Not everybody's innocent in prison, but they are people like me.
03:32I grew up in New York.
03:44My father was a cop.
03:45He was an Amtrak police officer.
03:47My mother was a hard worker, union organizer.
03:54Baseball was my favorite sport.
03:57I used to play basketball with kids in my neighborhood.
04:00But eventually, I just started going more and more down the wrong path.
04:06There has been a past that I am not proud of.
04:19I started selling drugs.
04:25I was able to get a car.
04:27I was able to get an apartment.
04:28I was able to put food in my son's stomach.
04:32You're traveling through life and you're looking for a purpose.
04:41I was 18 when I found out Vanessa was pregnant.
04:45I said, okay, this is my purpose.
04:53He was a bundle of joy.
04:54He became my pride.
04:56I love my son.
04:58Come on, make me.
05:00There you go.
05:02I love both of my sons.
05:06When my second son was born, I was getting used to being a father.
05:14It's all about family right now.
05:17I got to get things right.
05:20No more selling drugs.
05:22You need to figure it out.
05:23It's got to be something that's not going to take you away from home.
05:27In the midst of doing all that, I get this phone call.
05:32And the phone call is like, Jay, police were at the house.
05:35You need to call them.
05:37There was a robbery at an illegal gambling parlor in Harlem.
05:50there was a robbery at an illegal gambling parlor in harlem it was owned by a former
06:05police officer by the name of albert ward two men came in to rob the place one of them took
06:14out a gun and shot albert ward in the head killing him
06:20a couple of days after the murder one of the eyewitnesses selected JJ's photograph his
06:26mugshot as the shooter and the search for JJ Velasquez began we had learned that there was
06:33a police that had gotten shot and that I was a suspect I'm like wait a minute this is getting
06:38serious everything's going through my mind I just kept looking at my kids I just wanted to get it
06:46over with as soon as possible so my mother dropped me off in front of the precinct my attorneys were
06:53waiting for me I said well what do they want from me and he says they want you to stand in the line
07:00up they don't have a warrant for your arrest you should go home I'm thinking I'm gonna go online
07:06if I'm not gonna get picked and I can go home I couldn't wrap my mind around being selected there's
07:12like no possible way and I told him I'm gone it was the last choice I made as a free man
07:26several eyewitnesses identified JJ in a live lineup as the shooter and he was arrested for murder
07:33he stood trial he was convicted and sentenced to 25 years to life
07:41when someone's incarcerated the family is also serving time
08:03I'm doing the bid with them as my son says I cry because it's an injustice I cry because my
08:21grandchildren have had to live through this but I didn't cry that my son was a murderer because
08:32I know that he's not because you can't be in two places at once
08:3974 minutes on the day that they say that he committed this crime he was on the telephone with me and for
08:50that I'm very grateful because I was at peace always have been and always will be I remember that
09:01conversation because it was January 27th 1998 the day before my father's birthday while the shooter was
09:09at the scene of the crime in Manhattan I was in the Bronx on the phone with my mother and we had
09:16phone records showing that phone call my father had died the previous year it was going to be the first
09:25time we were going to celebrate my father's life without him I needed my mother to be present but
09:34Vanessa my girlfriend and my mother were not speaking at the time so I just kept pushing until she finally
09:41agreed to come and that's why I was on the phone for 74 minutes with my mother at trial JJ his girlfriend
09:51Vanessa and his mother Maria all testified that JJ was at home on the phone with his mother but the jury
10:00heard all of this and still convicted him the prosecutor basically argued they were all lying that it was
10:07probably Vanessa that was on the phone with Maria and that Maria would do anything to protect her only
10:13child and it doesn't really make sense does it that a 22 year old young man would be on the phone with his
10:21mother for 74 minutes the prosecutors also argued five eyewitnesses had picked him out and that his
10:32co-defendant pleaded guilty and said he did the crime with JJ that's a pretty strong case to overcome but
10:41there were these nagging things among them JJ's alleged accomplice Derry Daniels he was described as a dark-skinned
10:52black male who was restraining people with duct tape he was picked out the same way JJ was a witness
10:59looking at mug shots he had a long rap sheet he was facing potentially life in prison and he was offered
11:0812 years if he took a plea when you're in a position like his that's a pretty good deal Derry Daniels pleaded
11:16guilty he did 10 years in prison and he was out by 2008 but when I read the trial transcript I didn't
11:25see testimony from Derry Daniels and that was surprising to me you have a guy pleading guilty
11:31saying he did the crime with him why wouldn't you have him testify JJ says he never met him before my
11:39investigation would end right there if I could prove that Derry and JJ knew each other Derry Daniels did not
11:49want to talk they went into his door and slammed it in my face I did everything I could I spent months
12:00trying to connect them so did the DA's office and the police no one ever could connect those two guys
12:06so how could two guys who don't know each other commit a murder together that was a red flag for me
12:19this is the last picture that I have of him as a free man with the two children and his girlfriend
12:40it was very difficult having to explain to a very young child I don't know when daddy's gonna come home
12:48it was important to me that the children knew who their father was and that he loved them
12:58hi hi Jacob
13:15for the most part during my incarceration I lived my life through pictures
13:24what do you want to be when you grow up
13:28you want to be a power ranger
13:32a lot of events that I should have been at as a father
13:35starting with birthdays
13:43you came to get some apples
13:47I missed communion I missed being able to just take them to the park
13:56having a picnic father and son going to the beach
14:00teaching them how to play sports teaching them how to be a man
14:13every family he got to be
14:23you can hear me come over Jacob say something
14:32I love my father very much
14:38do your friends know
14:41some of them do
14:43what do they ask
14:46like sometimes out of nowhere and they're like oh so where's your dad
14:50like he's in jail and they're like oh sorry or whatever
14:52that's what happens
14:54you always tell them that you always tell them that
14:58he's innocent
14:58yeah like if they act like what is he in for
15:01like oh he said he was innocent
15:02they say he killed people
15:04tell me about the hardship tell me about the result of this
15:12on and off job going through the shelter system
15:15losing my apartment
15:16uh been a lot
15:19and that's a direct result of
15:21yes
15:21he turns himself in thinking he wasn't going to be charged
15:29and the end result he did get charged for something that he didn't do
15:33you're the only person that really knows
15:36me and his mother he used to speak to his mother a lot
15:39hours on the phone
15:41and you know me and his mother were going through
15:44our hard times at the moment so we wasn't really talking
15:48and it's like my word to them wasn't good enough
15:53it's not fair
16:04it's not fair to their mother
16:06you know i left her behind
16:08two children
16:10not much money
16:12she had to turn to another man for support
16:15can i blame her
16:17nah
16:17i can't blame her
16:18she has to do what she has to
16:24i gotta do time
16:26it became clear to me
16:34that the evidence that convicted jj
16:37was only eyewitness evidence
16:40there was no dna there was no fingerprints
16:44there was no blood there was nothing putting him at the scene
16:49this case against john adrian velasquez begins with a key eyewitness named augustus brown
16:57brown had been selling heroin at al ward's illegal numbers parlor
17:01at the precinct police found 10 bags of heroin in brown's underwear
17:06they questioned him for hours
17:08he ends up looking at more than 1800 mugshots before he picks out a picture of jj
17:15augustus brown is the reason jj became a suspect
17:21in my conversations with jj i asked him do you know augustus brown
17:27he says i don't know augustus brown
17:29but i spoke to him one time
17:33during my trial
17:36they sent me back to a bullpen
17:38and there's another bullpen that's adjacent to it
17:41i felt like
17:43somebody was staring at me
17:45so i asked him
17:47do i know you
17:47and he was like they they making me do it
17:51and he said it just like that he was like
17:52that they're making me do it
17:54i said they're making you do what
17:55and that's when the officer said
17:56yo they have a separation get them out of here
17:58and he's like yo i'm here because they're making me do it
18:02and i don't want to do it
18:04i had no idea what that was
18:06and they take him out
18:08on monday
18:11they call him on the stand
18:12and he testified against me
18:16he said that i was the one who did the crime
18:19by the time i went to go speak to augustus brown
18:27with a couple colleagues
18:29he was locked up upstate
18:31i wanted to document whatever he said
18:35just in case he later denied it
18:36so i decided to use a hidden camera
18:39i'm very very grateful
18:43that you decided to come in and talk to me i appreciate it
18:46i don't even like i don't even know where to start
18:49they said i wasn't the one that killed him saying
18:52that i set this up for them for the place to get robbed
18:55they had the dope and everything
18:58they was like fuck that
18:59that shit ain't nothing
19:01i don't have nothing to do with this man
19:03i went in there to make a transaction
19:05and was in the wrong place at the wrong time
19:08they was mainly doing me in there
19:11so i was scared
19:13that's the main thing i was scared
19:16i mean i can't go to jail for something i didn't do
19:19young black man ain't got no job and i'm not in school enough
19:22right
19:22so that's what came about me pointing the finger at to my
19:26like i don't know if i really picked out the right person
19:29i don't know if it really is
19:31you know what i mean
19:32that was a huge moment for me
19:40because if it's not for him picking that picture out
19:43john adrian would never have been associated with this case at all
19:47after i interviewed augustus brown
20:03what he told me i felt was so consequential
20:05here was the key eyewitness who first linked jj to the crime
20:10basically telling me he thought he picked out the wrong guy
20:13but there were other eyewitnesses that identified jj
20:18within hours of the crime
20:21eyewitnesses described the shooter as a light-skinned black man
20:24some said he had braids
20:26to me it was clear that jj wasn't black
20:33he was latino
20:34and he said he never had braids
20:37i wasn't going to make any conclusion about his guilt or innocence
20:45until i spoke with everyone he could find
20:47all of these eyewitnesses were very reluctant
20:51so i decided to wear a hidden camera
20:53to get the truth
20:55philip jones was at the gambling spot that day
21:00you know philip jones
21:01hey oh i'm looking for philip jones
21:04no
21:05we had met once before he had given me his number
21:08but he hadn't been answering my calls
21:09philip jones
21:10no
21:11hey phil
21:14where did he move to
21:16down the block a different house
21:17you changed your number and you didn't even tell me
21:20yeah what's up
21:21oh what's happening
21:23and by that time
21:25he had signed an affidavit
21:27i read him back his affidavit
21:29to ensure that that's what he really said
21:31i need it
21:32on 127.98 i was present at 2335 8th avenue new york new york
21:38i witnessed my friend albert ward get shot and killed
21:41i saw that
21:41on 22.98 i viewed a lineup
21:44in which i picked out an individual as being the shooter
21:47i picked out this man because i thought the man looked like the shooter
21:50but i was not sure
21:51i told the police this was the guy and i was sure
21:54but this was not the truth
21:56i felt pressured because the police were
21:58the police were threatening to arrest me and my brother robert
22:01for stealing money that albert dropped on the floor after being shot
22:04i was arrested sometime after albert ward was killed
22:07and two detectives came to visit me upstate in groveland prison
22:10the detectives told me they got the right guy
22:13and would help me get parole
22:15i decided to testify at the trial because i felt pressured by the police
22:19when i saw the defendant in court i looked in his eyes i knew i had picked out the wrong guy
22:23and the guy on trial i had never seen before it signed philip jones
22:28there you go
22:29there you go
22:31but so that's all true
22:32that's all true
22:33but nothing
22:34that's all true
22:35the guy still sits in prison
22:37no that's all true
22:38so that was philip jones
22:41his brother robert jones was the one who gave a description to police that ended up in the sketch
22:47he said i think i got the right guy
22:54but at trial he thought that j.j's half-brother in the courtroom looked more like the shooter than j.j
23:01i can't look him back at this guy
23:04his brother in order
23:06in the back of my conscience
23:08god no i said
23:09this could have been his brother
23:10no one else has ever suggested that j.j's half-brother had anything to do with this crime
23:18and there is zero evidence linking him to it
23:21so then i wanted to know what lorenzo woodford made of it all
23:26he was in the gambling parlor buying heroin from augustus brown
23:32i opened the back door and stepped down this guy and stayed the guy in my face
23:36oh man
23:37but when he looked at a live lineup
23:40j.j was holding number two
23:42according to police notes lorenzo woodford first says number three
23:46then says maybe number two
23:50finally says i'm not positive
23:52by the time he testified at trial
23:5718 months later
23:59he was sure that j.j was the guy
24:01the kid that i said did it
24:03that's who did it
24:04all right
24:04i didn't turn him in
24:06somebody else turned him in
24:07all right
24:08they had to have some kind of evidence
24:09they didn't just take my word for it
24:11all right
24:11and if they don't believe he did it
24:12let him go
24:13Dorothy kennedy was another eyewitness
24:23she had passed away by the time i wanted to speak with her
24:27but when i got to the part of the trial transcript when she's asked to identify the shooter in the courtroom
24:33she doesn't even identify j.j sitting at the defense table
24:40she points to juror number six
24:42and the prosecutor even comes back at her and pushes her a little bit
24:47like are you sure look around the courtroom and she says yes that's the guy
24:52i i couldn't believe it
24:56i couldn't understand how juror number six
24:59would vote to convict after someone picked him out
25:03as the gunman
25:04you juror number six you were picked out when they said
25:11point to the shooter in the courtroom they picked you
25:13they picked me yes
25:14and that's the thing
25:16it was only funny for the moment but there's something wrong with that
25:19you know i mean here she is she's at the witness stand
25:23and she's pointing at the jury box
25:25what does that say about the quality of the eyewitnesses
25:29bad
25:30real bad
25:32every one of the witnesses has a criminal record
25:34or they you know they're not credible at all
25:37eventually
25:3812 objective people
25:41you being among them
25:43yes
25:43sat around the table
25:46and all unanimously said
25:49we believe the eyewitnesses
25:50i really think i didn't do the right thing
25:53the evidence that actually convicted jj
26:00was looking a lot weaker than when i first started learning about this case
26:05evidence at this point is pointing away from jj
26:08not towards jj
26:10you know what our deal is right
26:27yep never lie
26:29always tell the truth and keep it honest with each other
26:32this is the way to the school building
26:51seeing the streets like that you know it gives you drive for freedom
26:55like they're on the other side of the mountains
26:59homes not far
27:01homes not far
27:02happy birthday jj
27:13thank you never
27:14happy birthday to you
27:23happy birthday to you
27:26happy birthday to you
27:33Give me a kiss.
27:35Pick you up in the morning to go see Daddy.
27:39To get your book bag and your school supplies.
27:41He's going?
27:42Yeah, he's going.
27:44He's going.
27:46He's going.
27:48He made a pinky promise.
28:03This is the jail that my dad is in.
28:14We had a lot of fun.
28:15Over there, there's a cell block.
28:20There's a boat over there.
28:22Across is where me and my grandma live.
28:25There's a watchguard in there.
28:26He watches everybody.
28:29We're going to see my dad on the next weekend.
28:33So, Jacob, did you have a lot of fun?
28:40Yes.
28:41You did?
28:42Yes.
28:43Let's begin in Manhattan, where for the first time in 35 years,
28:59there will be a new district attorney.
29:01Robert Morgenthau is retiring at age 90.
29:04And tonight, we learned who will replace him.
29:06Cyrus Vance, a former Manhattan prosecutor who also spent time as a defense attorney,
29:10is the winner by a comfortable margin.
29:12The new DA had just been elected.
29:14His name is Cyrus Vance.
29:16In taking this oath, I am mindful of our dual responsibilities as prosecutors to protect the innocent from wrongful conviction,
29:25as much as the victims who have been wronged.
29:29So, I went to DA Vance's transition website, and I saw the name of an attorney that I recognized from another story I had covered, Bob Gottlieb.
29:42I knew I needed to get JJ's case in front of some legal authority that could deal with it, whether he was guilty or not.
29:51So, I called Bob, and he asked to see JJ's files, and he and his partner, Celia Gordon, decided to take the case pro bono.
30:03We're going to the office of Gottlieb and Celia Gordon.
30:14Today is going to be the first day that I meet them.
30:18It's been a long time that I've been waiting for this, and I'm filled with a lot of emotion.
30:28What happened during the trial in and of itself raises questions for us as to whether or not this could be a wrongful conviction.
30:36We need to approach this in a very unbiased way and walk down the middle of the line right now in our investigation.
30:45I know this has been a very long, long haul for you, and tell me, I'm sure you have some questions for us.
30:55I'm just waiting for the phone call that comes in to tell me some new evidence that's going to free my son.
31:05That's all I'm waiting for.
31:08You can be sure we're doing everything to get to the bottom of this.
31:14I believe that one day it will happen, and I believe for some reason I just feel that it's going to be soon.
31:26It will be true if that I can go before.
31:27You can be sure we're doing everything to get to the bottom of this.
31:36You should be trying to check your rights out to the bottom of the door to find that we think it's difficult.
31:38I believe in the Tagli Tower relevant.
31:41The summer� ...
31:53When my son got locked up, I made a commitment to my grandchildren to try to give them the
32:01best life that I possibly could.
32:07I had them in Catholic school.
32:09I saw them practically every day.
32:12I took them to see their father.
32:16I let my needs go to the wayside to meet their needs.
32:21That I did the best that I possibly could.
32:28Sometimes I think I failed twice around.
32:32You're not allowed to leave on your own way?
32:36No.
32:37No.
32:38I'm 16 now.
32:42I made a mistake when I was 15.
32:45I had a fight with some kid, and I got locked up.
32:49Wow.
32:50Wow.
32:51Do you look like your father.
32:52Yeah.
32:53I had to take this anger.
32:54I've been having anger since I was young.
32:55Sometimes I don't know how to control it.
33:00It's not something I like to have.
33:02You ever thought about why you get so mad your whole life?
33:08Sometimes I would like to blame it on my father, but then I don't want to because, again, it's
33:13like my life.
33:14It's my choices why I get mad.
33:15There's certain things that bug me, and that's not because of him.
33:16It may have something to do with him, but it's because of me.
33:17What do you say because of your father?
33:18What do you mean?
33:19Because he's locked up.
33:20Because he's locked up.
33:21I don't like the fact that he's locked up.
33:22Certain things get me mad.
33:23Like, everybody that's on the basketball team bring their father to come play basketball,
33:24and it was going to be fathers versus sons, and I felt some type of way about that.
33:26Like, there's certain things that bug me, but then, like, I don't want to.
33:28Because, again, it's like my life.
33:29Like, it's my choices why I get mad.
33:30Like, there's certain things that bug me, and that's not because of him.
33:32It may have something to do with him, but it's because of me.
33:35What do you say because of your father?
33:36What do you mean?
33:37Because, like, he's locked up.
33:38Like, I don't like the fact that he's locked up.
33:42Like, certain things get me mad.
33:44Like, everybody that's on the basketball team bring their father to come play basketball,
33:48and it was going to be fathers versus sons, and, like, I felt some type of way about that.
33:52Like, there's certain things that, like, I couldn't do because of just where my father is.
34:06The DA's office, or prosecutor's office, should it have an independent internal check for the accused
34:12to make sure that justice is done in every case?
34:15I have proposed a conviction integrity unit for the DA's office.
34:21The whole point of a conviction integrity unit, called the CIU,
34:25is to reinvestigate claims of innocence of people who were in prison
34:29and to prevent wrongful convictions.
34:31We don't have anything to be afraid of.
34:33What we have to be afraid of is making sure that, uh,
34:37wrongfully convicted people are not staying in jail.
34:42JJ's lawyers, Bob and Celia, had been working on his case for more than a year
34:47when they decided to bring it to the Manhattan DA's newly formed conviction integrity unit.
34:52The beginning starts with this.
34:53That's pretty big. That's your copy.
34:55What you have there is, what you have there is, what you have there is.
34:58the beginning starts with this that's your copy thank you what you have there is what we're going
35:23to be presenting to the DA on Thursday we're going to the conviction integrity because that's the most
35:30direct way and we highlight what the legal and factual problems are with this case the witnesses
35:40have recanted their identifications and changed their trial testimony so that's the hook that's
35:45the new information which tells the DA you've got to take a look at this so what we're asking the
35:54district attorney to do at this point is investigate all of these leads everything that wasn't done
35:58before do it now it's gonna take time all I know is time that's all I know I appreciate everything
36:06you're doing it's a work for my exoneration hopefully one day and I understand how difficult this is and
36:12I know that it's gonna take time and I know that there's a possibility I might spend the rest of
36:16my life in prison this is the best I've ever had I've never had a second chance you know this is it
36:23okay it should end at this stage if it does we'll be there when you walk out and if it doesn't then
36:31we'll go through another door okay they handed over to the DA's office and they were told that a fair
36:44thorough objective reinvestigation would happen in a search for the truth
37:01hey hey how you doing good morning all right this is honor block individuals have to wait four
37:24years to get in here sometimes three years without a ticket which means that their behavior is upheld
37:29modestly however person goes through the wrong thing on the wrong time you say the wrong thing
37:35to him you might be a victim a man was killed in the basement right here in a laundromat and it was
37:42over a minor argument you know when it escalated to something bigger and when they when he murdered him
37:48the whole jail got locked down for approximately nine days it's torture but it's reality and as long as
37:58this breath of my body I gotta fight you know I don't have a choice I got a family I gotta get back out to
38:28do you know his number can't never forget it shoes on the county all right let's go through the machine good all the way down
38:54what's up kid what's up what's up what's life like man
39:24just made five months today in my program five months thought you had more
39:29locked up since November but I can't I went there in January 7th
39:33what do you think your biggest issue is that you need help with be honest to yourself I'm not I'm not gonna lie
39:41only thing is anger you got a lot of anger pent up what makes you angry it's just everything that I grew up in I feel if you was there it'd be different I know I know I wouldn't be where I'm at right now if you was there though
39:52I feel the same way I feel the same way I felt like from when I was little everything was a lot was already taken from me so I couldn't have what a regular person is supposed to grow up into mother and the father for me
40:08that happened because your father was blamed for something he didn't do your mother knows this first hand because she was there my mother was on the phone with me which is why my mother's in so much pain because she knows I'm innocent there's no evidence linking me to this crime because I was never there Jay
40:15what's happened to you is a product of what happened to me and you have a right to be angry about that but we're gonna have to find a way to deal with it together because you being angry is leading to what?
40:22it's not leading to anything positive.능
40:47It's not leading to anything positive.
40:49I don't want you to live this life, Jay.
40:51I don't know how to change.
40:53And when I don't know what to do, I do what I know.
40:57And all I really know is the streets and how I grew up.
41:00You had a rough upbringing, man.
41:02If Grandma didn't come and pick you up every weekend
41:06for almost 12 years and bring you to see your father,
41:10you wouldn't know who I am.
41:12I wouldn't know who you are.
41:14And I love who you are.
41:17I'm trying.
41:18I can't say I'm doing it, but I'm making an effort.
41:21It's a process.
41:22I'm changing now, but I just don't know when.
41:26For me, it's going like 360 going in.
41:28Well, you got to get 180 before you get 360.
41:31And it looks like you're getting...
41:32I'm at 120 right now.
41:32Yeah, it looks like you're getting there.
41:33120, maybe 140.
41:35Yeah.
41:36Grandma's on her way.
41:42Mwah.
41:45Mwah.
41:46Mwah.
41:47Love you.
41:51Everything's going good.
41:53Yeah.
41:53We had some quality time together, right?
41:56Put a lot of issues on the table.
41:58Yeah.
41:59We got a pretty good understanding.
42:01Grandma confused.
42:03She's on a diet, remember?
42:05It's peer pressure.
42:06Take them home.
42:07Peer pressure?
42:08It don't work on me.
42:09See, that's what a true leader does.
42:13Come on, let's get a group hug.
42:14I love you guys.
42:19I love you too.
42:23I never really understand how it all got to him.
42:26I don't even know how to feel.
42:31I just know he'll be home one day.
42:33Okay.
42:33You ready?
42:51I'm ready.
42:53All you're going to do is tell the truth?
42:54That's it.
42:55At the end of that first decade, once I started to believe that he was innocent, there wasn't
43:04a night that went by that I didn't think about him lying in that cage.
43:07There wasn't a night that went by that I didn't think about his kids.
43:14When Dateline aired, I felt like I had done my job.
43:28And I thought people who took an oath, who were responsible for all of us, people who
43:41could take your liberty, people who can take your freedom, those people, I thought they
43:49would take it seriously.
43:51And we'll get right into some big topics that we want to talk about with you.
43:55We're all assistant DA Sherman had it.
43:57We're very familiar with the facts of the case.
44:00But what the DA's office cared about was their conviction.
44:04That's what they cared about.
44:06Enough is enough.
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