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00:00Previously on The Hack...
00:09So, Nick Davis and The Guardian are losing the exclusive, but winning the war.
00:14Alan Rusbridger and The Guardian have been in touch with us at Panorama.
00:17It's the hacking stuff, but there's also this story on Jonathan Rhys that they've been pushing.
00:21We found invoices on his desk.
00:23Rhys to Alex Marunczyk, and the news in the world.
00:26While Andy Kilson was the editor.
00:28There was a name that appeared in the top corner of Glenn's notes.
00:31Ian Edmondson.
00:32Ian Edmondson?
00:33You reported directly to Coulson.
00:35Someone I want you to meet.
00:36David Cook, Gordon Brown.
00:38I'm interested to hear more about what's happened to you.
00:40I, uh...
00:41I think I might be able to help.
00:58I, uh...
01:00I hear you're a fan of walking.
01:03I am.
01:04Do you have a favourite spot?
01:07Hell walking on Aaron, sir.
01:09You don't need to call me sir.
01:11Policeman's habit.
01:13Well, I like Aaron.
01:16Particularly in, uh...
01:18And this might point to a certain masochistic quality on my part.
01:21Particularly in the wintertime.
01:22Well, it's the colours.
01:24Aaron.
01:25In the winter.
01:26Well, uh...
01:27We shall have to go.
01:28You can show me the route.
01:30Oh.
01:31Oh, you're making me...
01:32You're making me quite homesick.
01:34Oh, surely you can get up there more often now you're not...
01:36Now that I don't have a job.
01:37No, I didn't mean...
01:38I should be able to, shouldn't I?
01:41And yet, I keep being dragged back to London.
01:45Glenn...
01:46Has told me something about what happened to you.
01:49Your, uh...
01:50Your story.
01:51Okay.
01:53The intrusion.
01:54The surveillance.
01:55The, uh...
01:56The meeting with Rebecca Brooks.
01:59It sounds a merry mess.
02:01Yeah, well, look, I made mistakes, as you know.
02:04Oh.
02:05Well, we all do.
02:08We all do.
02:10My father, uh...
02:11My father was a minister, as I think you know,
02:13in the, uh...
02:14The Church of Scotland.
02:15He would...
02:17He would hear everyone's stories.
02:21It's a great feeling on my part that I don't have the time
02:23nor the patience that he does, so I think it's...
02:25I think it's my responsibility to tell you why your cruel
02:28and unusual story matter to me.
02:31It's because...
02:32It's because I think this country has become polluted,
02:37and I think that we could all, should all,
02:40try to do something about it, don't you?
02:45You've, uh, read the pieces in The Guardian about the hacking?
02:48Yeah, Nick's a friend of mine.
02:50Did you read the pieces in The New York Times, too?
02:52I did.
02:53And you know the work that Glenn is doing at Panorama?
02:55Yeah.
02:58Rupert Murdoch is trying to take control of B-Sky-B.
03:01If he does that, it's a valuable organization,
03:04and he will leverage the value of it to accumulate the debt needed
03:07to buy a huge multinational company, perhaps Disney or Time Warner.
03:13He'll have control of our media landscape
03:16and a good hold of America.
03:20He needs to be stopped.
03:22I agree.
03:24I will tell you my stories, and you will tell me yours.
03:28And then perhaps, David,
03:29perhaps we can work out how to help each other.
03:32What do you say?
03:35What do you want me to say?
03:37Do you want me to say that?
04:03Into the shark's cage.
04:04cage. I don't think they'll be providing us with cages tonight. You're late. Who the hell thought
04:08press awards were a good idea? A narcissist who realized it's an industry full of narcissists
04:14who pay to be rewarded for the narcissism. I can't be here. Look over there. It means the world.
04:22You know they actually have members of staff under arrest and many more being investigated.
04:27Ra's neck on them is ridiculous. So at the least I can attempt is some neck. No, I just want you
04:33here. You think we're going to win something? You're mad. Everyone here hates us. I want
04:37you here because I want us to lose with dignity. Together. I've missed you. I feel itchy. I
04:46hate this shirt. It makes you look extremely handsome. Oh, well. Now, I have to go and play
04:51nice with some rich board members. But please remember, these people, they're more frightened
04:56of you than you are of them. Oh, there's a difference between hate and fear.
05:03Ladies and gentlemen, your attention, please. Before our awards start this evening, we have
05:23a special update from journalist Nick Davies. On Wednesday, the 26th of January, News International
05:31passed Scotland Yard three email messages, which they claimed to have only just discovered
05:36in Ian Edmondson's computer. And Ian Edmondson was sacked. Once in receipt of these emails,
05:43Scotland Yard announced a new inquiry. Operation Wheating under the command of Sue Akers.
05:49I dismissed Wheating as a PR move by the Met until on the 9th of February, they released
05:55a statement. The new evidence recently provided by News International is being considered alongside
06:03material already in the Metropolitan Police Services possession. Couldn't be. They weren't
06:10finally going to investigate the last four years of their incompetence. All actions and decisions by the
06:17previous investigation are being reviewed. Well, were they? Were we winning finally?
06:25I certainly didn't feel like a winner.
06:27...show business, shall we? And the award for Showbiz Reporter of the Year goes to...
06:32...it's Stephen Moyes of the News of the World! Congratulations Stephen. Okay, and the award for News Reporter of the Year goes to...
06:40...it's the fake Sheikh Maza Mahmoud for the News of the World!
06:44Okay. The Scoop of the Year now. The Scoop of the Year is awarded to the News of the World for its excellent coverage of the Cricket Corruption Scandal.
06:54And the award goes to... The News of the World! Okay, the moment we've all been waiting for is the big one. The Newspaper of the Year.
07:05Now, the Newspaper of the Year goes to... for what the judges say is a paper completely unafraid to take on the powers that be.
07:12So, the Newspaper of the Year award goes to... The Guardian!
07:17The Newspaper of the Year!
07:19The Newspaper of the Year is the Newspaper of the Year!
07:23The Newspaper of the Year!
07:37Jackie Oames? Yes?
07:38My name is D.S. Slater. This is D.C. Grossman.
07:42Is it David? David Cook? No. Not well.
07:47Well, I suppose, in a way, yes.
07:51We are here investigating.
07:53We're part of a new operation.
07:55Operation Wheating.
07:57We're investigating allegations of phone hacking.
08:01Do you work for John Yates?
08:03No, we're part of the Special Crime Directorate,
08:06under the command of Deputy Assistant Commissioner Akers.
08:14Great, thank you.
08:15You were found in the notebooks of Glen Mulcair.
08:18This doesn't surprise me.
08:21We'd like you to take a look at these details.
08:24Is this your police payroll and warrant numbers?
08:27Yes.
08:29How did he have these?
08:31So, that's where I lived in 1977.
08:34Is this where you worked in 2010?
08:35Yes.
08:36And this phone number, this is correct, yeah.
08:42This information here that could only have come
08:44from my police personnel file.
08:46Yeah, we, um...
08:47That's what we think.
08:52Someone within the Met sold him my information.
08:56David's information.
08:57It's, um...
09:02It's possible.
09:06When was this known?
09:07I'm sorry?
09:08When did the Metropolitan Police have this information?
09:13A notebook was taken from Mulcair in 2006.
09:212006?
09:22Yeah.
09:23And the Metro chose neither to inform me nor investigate this...
09:30possible corruption.
09:31Well, that's...
09:35That's what we're trying to do now, Mum.
09:51Glen Campbell.
09:52Rick Davis.
09:52Hi.
09:53Honour and a privilege.
09:54I hear that you're not well liked of Panorama.
09:59I hear you're adored at The Guardian.
10:01So, who do you usually meet here?
10:03Is this where you meet criminals or politicians?
10:06I float between cafes and pubs like a butterfly at a festival.
10:09I liked the panorama on Alex Marinchak.
10:11No, it wasn't one of mine.
10:12You helped a lot.
10:13It was good.
10:14You got some particularly great hits in on Jonathan Rees.
10:17I really liked your piece on him, too.
10:18Mr A. Very good.
10:20You writing more?
10:21No.
10:22I'm...
10:23I...
10:24Didn't Dave say it?
10:25I'm out.
10:26Coulson's gone.
10:27It's as far as I can go.
10:28Don't look like that.
10:29An engineer death, but something.
10:30I wanted people to take it seriously.
10:31They didn't.
10:32So, I'm handing everything on.
10:34Trying to persuade Alan to give me Belgium.
10:37I gave you newspaper of the year.
10:39That was The Guardian, not me.
10:40I lost my category.
10:41You're getting somewhere, Nick.
10:42I don't know.
10:43I don't know.
10:44I don't know.
10:45I don't know.
10:46I don't know.
10:47I don't know.
10:48I don't know.
10:49You're getting somewhere, Nick.
10:50I got somewhere.
10:51Look, I know what this must have cost you.
10:54Cost me isn't the half of it.
10:56But no one...
10:58No one cared.
11:00The whole industry turned away like a complicit snake.
11:03What if I said I came to see you today with an agenda?
11:06I'm friends with Clare Rue Castle-Brown, the journalist and sister-in-law of Gordon Brown.
11:12He's leaning in.
11:14I took Dave to see him and he now wants to meet you.
11:18Gordon Brown?
11:19Gordon's been looking at your work and he thinks there's a way to use it to go further.
11:23Come on, Nick.
11:25What's meeting him going to cost you?
11:27I'm going to cost you.
11:38Well, it's wonderful to have you all here.
11:41Thank you, Clare and Glenn, for organising it.
11:44You know, I have such respect for the work of everyone in this room.
11:47And I used to be Prime Minister.
11:48There.
11:49Does that start us off?
11:50Yes.
11:51Just about.
11:52The Murdoch B-Sky B bid would be a disaster for our country.
11:57This hacking investigation needs better scrutiny than people have chosen to give it.
12:01If people understood, properly understood the hacking, what was happening with hacking,
12:04it may mean they rethink the B-Sky B bid.
12:07We have a shared objective.
12:09How we achieve that objective is, well, I increasingly believe, as just Clare and Tom,
12:16would be best achieved together.
12:18And perhaps everyone would like some tea.
12:21And perhaps everyone would like some tea.
12:23Just sit, sit, I'll pour.
12:25No, I'll pour.
12:27Right.
12:29Who would like to begin?
12:30Well, maybe I should speak first.
12:33I was recently interrupted in an investigation room
12:36and shown details of my case in Operation Wheating that were...
12:41Well, the level of intrusion was troubling.
12:43It's just possible that Operation Wheating is the first met-op to be run properly.
12:47Well, the secret is John Yates isn't running it.
12:49Good.
12:50Good.
12:51So, how do we help them?
12:53Where will they struggle?
12:55Well, we have to get them to include Jonathan Rhys.
12:57It makes no sense to tackle Mulcair and not Rhys.
13:00I've got invoices to show that they were both up to exactly the same activities.
13:04Well, prepare me a file and I'll send it to Sue Acres.
13:08Is it that simple?
13:09Well, I have access to Sue through the select committee.
13:12I can't promise results, but it's a start, no?
13:16Well, Sue and I were DSs at the same time.
13:18I've already asked her to expand the scope of the investigation, but...
13:22Oh, it'll mean more coming from a parliamentary perspective.
13:26Good.
13:28What else?
13:29You seem to all be constantly looking at me surprised.
13:33Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem we have is that the police, politicians, and press are all collaborating under Murdoch's aegis.
13:39We are also made up of police, politicians, and press.
13:43And non-official opposition, if you like.
13:46So, let's talk.
13:49What do we need to do?
13:57You, uh...
13:59Are you having a nice time?
14:01Uh, fine.
14:02You know, you're a remarkable campaigner, Mick.
14:04Did you ever consider full-time politics?
14:07Um...
14:09Well, I don't know, I don't know.
14:11Why would you say that?
14:12Perhaps a bit too suspicious of other people to be a politician.
14:15Something I struggle with myself sometimes.
14:18And, uh...
14:19And I believe it because I've seen it.
14:20On this case.
14:24You're not sure whether I mean this, are you?
14:26Sorry?
14:27You don't trust me?
14:28I think this is the ball that I picked up that I will quickly drop.
14:31You're saying you won't drop the ball?
14:36You know, they, um...
14:39They came at me in every way, as you might expect.
14:42They blagged my lawyer.
14:43They procured my family's medical information.
14:46And they, um...
14:48This is quite something.
14:49They, uh...
14:50They impersonated me to get in my building society account.
14:52That's a lot.
14:53I tried to hold a judicial inquiry into phone hacking in, uh...
14:56Let's see now...
14:57Autumn, 2009.
14:59After I read a piece of yours.
15:01That was my first article.
15:03The civil service resisted it.
15:04I think is a kind term.
15:06It did not meet the tests of public concern.
15:09You know, everyone, uh...
15:11Everyone thinks they're close to Rupert.
15:13He's very adept at that.
15:14He, uh...
15:15Talks quietly.
15:16You know all this.
15:17He rarely disagrees.
15:18He...
15:19He asks questions.
15:20And, uh...
15:22He makes everyone feel interesting.
15:25It fascinates me.
15:27How the powerful let him in.
15:29I wasn't as good at that game as, uh...
15:32As Tony.
15:34When he came for me, and, uh...
15:35And he did, I was...
15:36I was unprepared.
15:38Whether it was how I bowed my head at the cenotaph
15:40Or how I wrote to the grieving mothers of dead soldiers.
15:43Yes, I remember.
15:45You know, I rang Rupert.
15:47To tell him that his papers were damaging morale
15:50In, uh...
15:51In Afghanistan.
15:52I was asking people to-to-to fight.
15:55To risk.
15:56And he was telling them article after article
15:57That I...
15:58That I was casual with their lives.
15:59With soldiers' life.
16:00That I didn't care.
16:01That...
16:02That...
16:03To undermine that.
16:04To make those young people feel...
16:08Undervalued by their government.
16:13It's just not right.
16:19Sometimes you can tell that you're the son of a preacher.
16:22Ha.
16:25You know, he wants everything.
16:27His ambition is limitless.
16:31But he's overstepped here.
16:33And badly.
16:35We can.
16:37And we should do something important to counter him.
16:40But they started with you.
16:43And it's going to need to end with you.
16:46All of which is to say...
16:48We need you, Nick.
16:59Dave?
17:01Dave?
17:02Yes, sir?
17:04How's life at soccer?
17:06And we're getting somewhere.
17:08Did I hear you've been giving orders to GCHQ?
17:09That must be fun.
17:11That's a bit more complicated than that.
17:14What can I do for you, John?
17:16Would you mind popping into mine for a minute?
17:18Sure.
17:20Internal investigations caught an email.
17:22Coming from your computer.
17:24To Mike Sullivan at The Sun.
17:25Which email?
17:30So why is this a problem?
17:32I said you'd rather be told it by me.
17:33Oh, and he was useful in Morgan.
17:34He's still useful now.
17:36I mean, you've got a good relationship with him yourself, haven't you?
17:38I also have one or two questions about the Panorama program that went out.
17:41Yep.
17:42I believe you're friends with Glen Campbell at Panorama.
17:45How have you?
17:46I think you could ask him, have we got footage of Jonathan Rees at his computer?
17:50Well, he's quite protective of his sources.
17:52Rees is convinced, as am I, that the footage could only have come from inside the Met.
17:57He's threatening to take action, again.
18:00Did it?
18:02Come from inside the Met?
18:03Is that a further press release?
18:04The request to pass information to Mike Sullivan came for you.
18:07I mean, he's your mate.
18:08But there are rules, Dave, and you know that.
18:10I do.
18:12And how's Operation Wheaton treating you, Mr. Rolls?
18:16Give Panorama, Mike Sullivan, Nick Davis, or anyone fucking else anything about our cases,
18:24and you'll be strung up for all to see.
18:26Do you hear me?
18:28Yeah, I hear you.
18:36I've got permission to talk about it with you and you alone.
18:39I am privileged.
18:40It means private meetings you and I outside of editorial.
18:43Of course.
18:44When have we not had those?
18:47Welcome back.
18:49Alan, our Scottish friend, you know it better than I do.
18:54We can trust him, right?
18:56I want to say two things.
18:58One, you're a journalist.
19:00And I'm scared that getting into bed with certain politicians will lose our vital independence.
19:08You do it all the time.
19:09I share my bed with all political parties and I hope I'm pretty fair at sharing the covers.
19:16Nick, we've just removed a senior member of Conservative staff and I don't want that dismissed as coming from the newspaper arm of the Labour Group.
19:31Understood, but I asked about Gordon.
19:33And that's the second thing.
19:35You don't go into a room with Gordon Brown and get what you want.
19:40You go into a room and get what he wants.
19:42He's ferociously intelligent and very used to power.
19:46But if your interests align, as I think they do here, he can be a remarkable ally.
19:58One last push, is it?
20:00And then I want Brussels.
20:01Then you want your well-paid chocolate dream.
20:05Of course.
20:06Good.
20:07But please, Nick, take it slow.
20:10To work.
20:11What have you got?
20:12The flood of cases is overwhelming the courts, so they've appointed a hacking judge.
20:16He's already causing trouble.
20:17At the Andy Gray trial, he said it's clear Mulcair had been regularly hacking him.
20:21So that's an invitation.
20:23Any man, woman or creature who has anything in those books has been given licence to sue.
20:28And you'll write it up?
20:29Yeah.
20:32Why do you think they gave us this?
20:36Oh.
20:37Good journalism.
20:39None of them support the story, our story.
20:42Guilt.
20:44World's most powerful motive.
20:49I love you, darling.
20:50Yeah, love you too.
20:52Don doesn't know her.
20:53Okay.
20:54It's Mike and Cheese.
20:58She's not been sleeping very well.
21:00I've been making her leave her phone downstairs most nights.
21:03I'm not sure you'd get away with that.
21:06I'll do my best.
21:08Also, um...
21:12I've been contacted by Operation Wheating.
21:16Oh, have you?
21:17You knew then?
21:18The things they had on me.
21:19Oh, no, I'm sorry.
21:20Should I warn you?
21:21Yeah.
21:23Yates came after me today.
21:25And?
21:26Didn't land a punch.
21:27Good.
21:28They're keeping me at arm's length.
21:29But they did tell me a few pieces of useful information.
21:31You remember that time Surrey Police got a call fishing for my details?
21:32Mm-hmm.
21:33Well, Wheating told me that, um, it was probably Mulcair who made that call.
21:34Jesus Christ.
21:35I don't think anyone's understood the depth of criminality here.
21:39Well, destabilizing police investigations.
21:53It was probably Mulcair who made that call.
21:56Jesus Christ.
22:00I don't think anyone's understood the depth of criminality here.
22:04Destabilizing police investigations.
22:07We were talking about a murder charge.
22:10Yeah, look who I'm telling, right?
22:13Please don't laugh at me about this.
22:14No, no.
22:16No, no.
22:20You know, right at the beginning of this,
22:21I went to see Rebecca Brooks.
22:25And I said, um, what you're doing is outrageous.
22:30And you know what she said?
22:33She said, we believed that you and Jackie were having an affair.
22:36And as you're both public figures,
22:39public interest was on our side.
22:42They thought we were having an affair and we were already married.
22:45Ridiculous.
22:47Absurd.
22:48Cruel, I think, is a better word.
22:51I have a source in the police who's been quite openly victimized.
23:06It might stop the whining celebrity angle.
23:09What whining celebrity angle?
23:11People dismissing it because they think it's just celebrities whining.
23:15Get him on the record.
23:17He's just, he's been badly damaged by all of us already.
23:19You're Nick Davis?
23:22Only on weekdays.
23:23Have we met? How can I help?
23:25By telling me what the fuck you think you're doing stealing my story.
23:30Can we use your office?
23:31Which story have I stolen?
23:39Apparently you're Mr. Hacking.
23:41Every hacking story carries your byline.
23:43It doesn't.
23:44Today.
23:45In the paper.
23:46Published.
23:47You didn't write one word of it.
23:49No.
23:50Well, aren't you going to apologize?
23:55No.
23:56You know, The Guardian gives out all this shit about what kind of world that it wants, and yet...
24:03This is well written.
24:04Fuck off.
24:05I didn't ask for a credit on it.
24:08Whoever said I did was wrong.
24:09Right then, who do we see next?
24:11Alan?
24:12Old.
24:13Anything?
24:14Writing a story about the hacking scandal without consulting someone who spent the last three years having his life destroyed by it.
24:19This is what works for you.
24:23When you're attacked, you just attack back.
24:25No.
24:26Sometimes.
24:27Maybe.
24:28You could have something there.
24:29This is about Operation Weeting.
24:30It's a totally different thing.
24:32How come I haven't seen you round the officers before?
24:35I work alone.
24:38My own hours.
24:39They're supportive of it.
24:40And what have you got on Weeting?
24:42A contact of mine in the force has been put on it.
24:45He's feeding me.
24:46Tell me everything.
24:47No.
24:48He says it's timid.
24:53He's eager for more action.
24:56What's he giving you?
24:58Each arrest as it happens.
25:00Neville Thirlbeck is going to be at Kingston Police Station between 9 and 10, so I'm there conveniently for the arrest.
25:06Can you, might you, tell your source, tell them to look into the initial select committee hearings and in particular the letter they received from News International lawyers because there's disclosures in that the police never got the answer to.
25:23Thanks.
25:24Yeah, I will.
25:25Yeah, I will.
25:26It would be so bad.
25:28I was working together.
25:31You need to see this.
25:33Here's Ben Brazier in Wapping with more on this story.
25:36First the denials that celebrity voicemail messages were listened to.
25:40Then they claim it was down to a single rogue reporter and his private investigator sidekick.
25:45Now the admission, we failed to uncover what was going on.
25:48We're going to apologise and we're going to pay up.
25:51Fuck.
25:52It all started adapting the government articles started to appear in the press.
25:56Exactly the News of the World admitting to.
25:59It's brilliant.
26:00Is it?
26:01Bah, by admitting they were at fault and agreeing to cooperate, in fact what they're doing is they're finding a new device for concealing the truth.
26:08Nick, will it be cheaper?
26:10Standard rate damages rather than the million pound hush money they've had to pay on.
26:14And getting this out in court now is next to impossible, am I right?
26:17Well, if you are, for instance, Sienna Miller and you do take it to trial,
26:22then if she ends up getting less at trial than they offered her before,
26:27then she risks being ordered to pay both sides costs, which could be astronomical.
26:31And so then, yes, it makes getting to trial almost impossible.
26:35Shit.
26:36My advice is they've twisted one way, we must twist another.
26:40I've had a reply from Sue Akers on Rhys.
26:43She's showing you that?
26:45She says her remit is limited to more care in the notebook. She isn't going near Rhys.
26:50Should we try to leak something? Put pressure on that way?
26:52I've got Rhys specifically targeting Kate Middleton.
26:55I've just heard he targeted John Yates.
26:57Or we could...
26:59Do you think if we twisted an arm or two, do you think we could get me up the list for PMQs?
27:04That's a very good idea.
27:07I'm not following.
27:08What does Sue Akers want?
27:10To be free to take the evidence wherever it leads her with a swift prod from the left?
27:15Maybe the Prime Minister will extend her brief.
27:19You could even name Rhys.
27:21Good.
27:22Good.
27:23Hang on.
27:24All of this exposes Dave to scrutiny again.
27:27No, really.
27:29John, can I help?
27:31Please do.
27:32Good.
27:33Good.
27:34Let's box Cameron in.
27:36As the Prime Minister has previously said, the hacking inquiry should go where the evidence takes it.
27:41The Metropolitan Police are in possession of paperwork, which details the dealings of criminal private investigator Jonathan Rhys.
27:49It strongly suggests that on behalf of News International, he was illegally targeting members of the Royal Family, senior politicians and high-level terrorist informers.
27:59Yet the head of Operation Wheating has recently written to me to explain that this evidence may be outside the inquiry's terms of reference.
28:07Prime Minister, I believe powerful forces are involved in a cover-up.
28:13Please, please tell me what you intend to do to make sure that this doesn't happen.
28:19The point I'd make to the Honourable Gentleman, I know takes a close interest in this, is there is a police inquiry.
28:27A police inquiry doesn't need terms of reference.
28:29The police are free to investigate the evidence and take that wherever it leads them, and then mount a prosecution with the CPS.
28:37Amelia.
28:38Hi.
28:39Saw you go in.
28:40Sorry.
28:41Bit weird to wait for people outside toilets.
28:43Oh, I've done was.
28:44Got a minute?
28:45Sure.
28:46Two inquiries are being set up.
28:48Operation Talita, looking specifically into Jonathan Rees.
28:51Good.
28:52Operation Elden.
28:53Never get over Scotland Yard's need for a strange name.
28:55To investigate the alleged payment of bribes to police officers and other officials, from journalists from the News of the World.
29:01Not to make them do this.
29:02You didn't see Tom Watson's speech?
29:04Oh, I may have done.
29:05Did you write it?
29:07Ha, ha, ha.
29:08Also, the select committee waiting you suggested to my officer, let's call him...
29:17Jingle.
29:18Fine.
29:19It proved fruitful.
29:21Operation waiting for some emails out of News International, and the Met discovered on their
29:26servers some systematic deletions.
29:28Of course.
29:29In particular, one enormous deletion in January.
29:32While they were handing over those three emails from me and Edmonton.
29:37Bastards.
29:38Can we print?
29:39I'm...
29:40I'm working on it.
29:41Look.
29:42Jingle was grateful.
29:43For the advice.
29:44He said he can't volunteer information on active cases, but ask him a question, he'll tell no lies.
29:50We've had something interesting, come on.
30:00What is Judge Voss doing?
30:01I feel like we've only seen a tiny percent of Mulcair's names.
30:04Voss is being robust with everyone.
30:06It's yielding fruit.
30:07Sienna Miller is building.
30:08Skyhandra case, it feels important.
30:09Where are we?
30:10Nick, I've got something, if you're interested, but you'll need to listen.
30:13Sorry, go on.
30:17I've been representing, as you know, Leslie Ash and Lou Chapman.
30:20Yeah, I read about it.
30:21You're doing brilliantly.
30:22You're like my ex.
30:25You always get complimentary when you know you're in the wrong.
30:28Sorry.
30:29I am sorry.
30:31I heard you were a mess.
30:34Oh, I can see an island of sanity.
30:38I'm floating close to it.
30:40Go on.
30:41I went to Putney so that the Wheating Officers could show me the notes Mulcair had taken from
30:49Leslie Ash and Lee Chapman's voicemail.
30:51Yeah.
30:52Now, some genius combined the two names and gave me the details of Leslie Chapman.
31:03Remind me.
31:04Jessica Chapman's father.
31:06Jessica Chapman was one of the murdered schoolgirls, right?
31:09The sewing mode.
31:10It looks like Leslie Chapman's voicemail was hacked.
31:14They hacked the voicemail of a grieving father?
31:17I'm not sure, but it looks that way.
31:19You can't use it.
31:20Yet.
31:21This could change everything.
31:24I need to talk to the family.
31:26I need permissions.
31:28I need to be sure.
31:30The Chapman family, I could talk to them.
31:32That's not why I'm telling you this.
31:34Nick, think.
31:36If they're doing this to the Chapmans...
31:39Where else have they been?
31:41Exactly.
31:42Jessica Chapman.
31:49Well, the sewing murders tore the police apart for a while.
31:54Is she sure they went into the parents' phone?
31:56It's in Mulcair's notebooks, but I can't get in there.
31:59I've got to find another way in.
32:01There you will.
32:02I envy your confidence.
32:05No, I'm just, um...
32:10Just happy to have you back.
32:14I thought that was better.
32:16Sometimes.
32:18Comes and goes.
32:19Stop.
32:22You're just frying that cheese.
32:23It's halloumi cheese. You'll like it.
32:25I'm not hungry anymore.
32:26What?
32:27No, it's just that I don't get...
32:28I mean...
32:29I eat when I know that I have to eat.
32:31I just don't get hungry anymore.
32:35Don't I?
32:36What?
32:37Well, that's sympathy, look.
32:38I'm not being sympathetic.
32:39Don't try and pretend you're in any better state than me.
32:41I've seen you, mate.
32:42You are this close to tortoise a lapse, I'm telling you.
32:45You know the story of the dung beetle?
32:47Oh, God, have I stooped that low.
32:49What?
32:50That's what you trot out.
32:52You trot out that story quite a lot, you know.
32:54Ask your kids.
32:55Christ, pity your kids.
32:56Whatever's going on?
32:57Have you heard about the dung beetle?
32:59An aggressive response.
33:00Come on.
33:01That'll make you hungry.
33:05You want to know how I do it, Nick?
33:10Hmm.
33:11I focus on the details.
33:13Always the next detail.
33:15I've been phobic of blood ever since a body exploded on me.
33:20Body exploded on you?
33:22Yeah, well, an older man full of hernias.
33:24Normally, when a pathologist's scalpel enters a cadaver, you hear a hiss.
33:29Well, this time, it exploded.
33:32Blood was everywhere.
33:33I was covered in it.
33:34But I was in homicide, so I'd gone to pathology as a key part of my job, right?
33:39So I focused on the details.
33:41I was covered in it.
33:42I was covered in the details.
33:43Ears.
33:44Toes.
33:45Even how the wound looked.
33:48The blood I made disappear.
33:51So how do you do it, Nick?
33:57Good luck.
34:27Tell me I'm mad.
34:52It's a pleasure.
34:53The database.
34:54News of the world.
34:55April 14th, 2002.
34:56250 words long.
34:57Page nine.
34:58It claims that voicemail messages were sent to Millie's phone after she disappeared.
35:04Millie Dowler.
35:06Police say voicemails were left by a mentally disturbed woman who has hoaxed previous inquiries.
35:11Even quotes what she said.
35:14Uh, hello, we're ringing because we have some interviews starting.
35:18Can you call me back?
35:20Bye-bye.
35:21This is six days after Millie had disappeared.
35:28Final edition of the paper.
35:33That reference was removed.
35:38Because they might have realized what a boobie they had made.
35:42Charlotte has evidence that they hacked Jessica Chapman's father on the Sohm case.
35:47We can't get close to that.
35:48That was the family, but...
35:49This is the girl herself.
35:51Rebecca was editor then.
35:53This was under her aegis.
35:55Can you confirm this?
35:56I think so.
35:57Is this as big as I think it is?
36:10Yes, it is.
36:14Make sure it stands up.
36:15Yeah, hi.
36:16Any fruit?
36:30Jingle says they've been investigating.
36:31Is that confirmation?
36:32Are they confirming that it happened?
36:34Yes, there is a page on Dowler in Mulcair's notebooks.
36:37Right, we need to be absolutely watertight.
36:40Nick, he also says they're pursuing a line of inquiry.
36:43They've deleted messages because the voicemail box was full.
36:46They deleted messages?
36:48I'll get us a firm anonymous quote from Jingle.
36:50Okay, thanks, Maria.
36:51Bye.
36:52Bye, bye, bye.
36:55I have a source from Inside Wheating.
36:56I've got the article.
36:57Glenn?
36:58I've got a good source saying that Surrey police knew about it
37:00and the Dowler family did not.
37:03Well, this is it.
37:04This is it.
37:06I don't want to believe, but I do.
37:09The source is clear.
37:11Stuart Kuttner...
37:12Remember him?
37:13...even called Surrey police.
37:14He didn't just hear the voicemail, he followed up on it.
37:16They even think they deleted her answer phone messages
37:19to allow space for messages to be given,
37:21which made the family think she was still alive.
37:24Oh, God.
37:25Do you know, if we can land this,
37:27this changes everything.
37:30How?
37:31A child.
37:33A dead child's phone.
37:35It's despicable.
37:36You know, part of the British public think that celebrities,
37:38politicians, journalists even deserve everything that they get,
37:41but when an innocent is harmed,
37:44an innocent already wronged,
37:47trust me,
37:49the news of the world will not be forgiven for this.
37:57Hi, this is Dave.
37:58Leave a message.
38:00David, I've been offered to go onto Channel 4.
38:04I don't have a career to protect,
38:05and I think I should do it.
38:06If you have a problem with any of this,
38:08could you just call me or text me, please?
38:42Mrs. Dowler, my name is Nick David.
38:45I know.
38:46They said you'd be coming by.
38:47I've just been watching you on YouTube.
38:51Come on, come in.
39:01So the police are keeping you...
39:06Up to date with it all, yes.
39:09Operation Wheating, good team, it seems.
39:11They say it was true.
39:14Our daughter was hacked.
39:17Yes.
39:20You tell us why.
39:23Why, sorry?
39:25What we don't understand is why someone would do this.
39:29You're a journalist.
39:30Can you explain?
39:38I thought there was a good story in it.
39:42A good story?
39:44They wanted to either to find her
39:47or to find something printable about her.
39:50So the phone promised all those things.
39:52But we'd only just lost her.
39:54Didn't they know it was wrong?
39:58I think they didn't consider that.
40:01Didn't they know it would hurt us?
40:08Millie...
40:11At that time, Millie was the most famous person in the UK.
40:15Everyone wanted to read about her.
40:17And I'm afraid they needed to sell their newspaper.
40:23And now you're here.
40:26Someone else selling a newspaper?
40:28I am.
40:33Yes, but I'm hoping...
40:36what we are doing...
40:40will help expose a wrong that was done to your daughter.
40:43However, yes, we are selling newspapers.
40:48And I know that all this will be bringing her
40:51back into the spotlight again.
40:54And I know...
40:55No, that's painful.
40:58Just slightly.
41:00Yeah.
41:01But you should do it all the same.
41:07You have our permission, Nick.
41:09If you needed it, that is.
41:17Always could never get used to microphones being poked everywhere.
41:20I'm used to it.
41:22You cry much.
41:23Of course.
41:24Of course you are.
41:25More used to it than me.
41:26Oh.
41:33Do you want to share the byline with Amelia?
41:35Her source helped confirm it.
41:37It needs something...
41:39clearer.
41:41Is the world targeted?
41:43Illegally targeted.
41:44Good.
41:45Illegally targeted.
41:46Missing schoolgirl Millie Dowler and her family.
41:49In...
41:50In dates.
41:51Yeah.
41:52Interfering with the police investigation into...
41:54No.
41:56Interfering with police inquiries into her disappearance.
42:00And deleted messages.
42:02Then what the family believed.
42:06She's alive.
42:09The lie of that.
42:10Do we have a source and a secondary source?
42:12Yes, we do.
42:13Have we spoken to Scotland Yard?
42:14Of course.
42:15I even asked for a quote.
42:18This is...
42:21Quite something.
42:24Channel 4 News can tonight reveal that allegations have been aired that a metropolitan police detective
42:30was put under surveillance by the News of the World journalists and his personal details were targeted.
42:36The former Crimewatch presenter and detective Jackie Haymes has spoken out for the first time.
42:42So, Jackie, you were approached by Operation Wheating.
42:46What did they show you?
42:50They showed me various sheets of paper, which I was told came from Glenn Mulcair's diaries and notes.
42:58And sat there and read the extent to which he had delved into my private life.
43:05And it was quite a body blow.
43:08I want to know who instigated the surveillance and the research that was done on us.
43:13I would like to know how they got and who they got that personal information from about us.
43:20I would like to know what the purpose of it was from them.
43:25Do you think there was an attempt here to interfere with your ex-husband's criminal investigation?
43:32And if so, what is the evidence for that?
43:35It's very difficult when you look at the order in which things happen, the chronology of this.
43:44Not to at least want to shine a light on it and say, you know, how is it that the day after that appeal went out on Crimewatch that this started to happen?
43:53And it's very difficult not to come to that conclusion that they were somehow complicit in all of this or someone within the organization was.
44:02Complicit in what exactly?
44:04In trying to discredit David or myself.
44:23There's no doubt about what she was the source of and what she was.
44:26I think it was the focus of that the, there were no questions of doing other things.
44:30So I was blanking on all of this coming down by that.
44:33I had a doubt they didn't get me out of sorts of the evidence.
44:35And it was fine.
44:36All right.
44:38What he wanted to do?
44:41I had a chance to do with theommenic.
44:43I had a chance to do, but I had a chance of testing.
44:47Who knew before I was?
44:48What was that?
44:49I had a chance to do with the right questions of the enemy.
45:21Of course they didn't print it.
45:30And so, it finally begins.
45:37More revelations.
45:38The pressure on the news of the world grows with...
45:40Another day of dramatic development.
45:42Shocking story.
45:43It is alleged that Glenn Mulcair...
45:45Happed into the mobile phone of the murdered schoolgirl Millie Dowler.
45:48Well, this poor girl's dead and they're trying to get stories.
45:52There is a new allegation that the tabloid may have hacked into the phones of the relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq.
45:57If these actions are proved to have been verified, I'm appalled.
46:02I find it quite disgusting.
46:03Tonight, Chief Executive Rebecca Brooks says we're told that she's shocked and that she knew nothing about it.
46:09Today is the anniversary of 7-7.
46:11Relatives of victims of the London bombings may also have had their phones hacked into.
46:16Somebody was listening to that.
46:18It's a violation, isn't it?
46:19An extraordinary moment in British journalism.
46:22The news of the world is to close.
46:24What happened, happened very, very quickly.
46:26It's like a bomb's hit the place.
46:27Those decent people up there have been thrown out of a job today.
46:30The sense that everyone gets is that Rupert Murdoch is getting rid of the news of the world in order to protect taking over B-Sky-B.
46:37I'm interested in those who were responsible being brought to justice.
46:41Scotland Yard confirmed today that it had received documents suggesting a number of its officers were given inappropriate payments by News International.
46:50Being released for information is a criminal offence.
46:53It's corrupt.
46:54It's bribery.
46:55David Cameron's former head of communications is arrested over corruption and phone hacking.
47:00The decision to hire him was mine and I take full responsibility.
47:04There's an awful lot I'd like to say but I can't.
47:06The pressure is mounting on Rebecca Brooks.
47:09Both her and James Murdoch should be leaving their desks.
47:13The Prime Minister has announced details of the independent public inquiry led by Lord Justice Leveson.
47:18We'll have the power to summon and question newspaper proprietors, journalists, police and politicians.
47:24I recognise the vital importance of reaching a number of conclusions and I will strive to do so.
47:30Rebecca Brooks who finally bowed to pressure and resigned.
47:33For the past ten days she's been at the heart of the storm.
47:36Now she has decided to step away.
47:39Assistant Commissioner John Yates has also quit.
47:41It is with great regret that I make this decision.
47:44The mighty Murdoch Empire has suffered its most humiliating blow yet as it suddenly dropped its bid to take control of B-Sky-B.
47:53Murdoch has abandoned his bid for B-Sky-B.
47:56But will he face wider consequences in relation to the phone hacking scandal?
48:01What will come next in this shocking result?
48:03And I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder.
48:16One of the four beasts saying,
48:18Come and see.
48:21And I saw,
48:23and behold,
48:26a white horse.
48:28A white horse.
48:58A white horse.
49:00And there are women screaming.
49:00And there are women screaming.
49:03I saw white horse.
49:03And there are women screaming.
49:06A white horse that day today.
49:10I saw.
49:12About this as a white horse came down to a blueberry south side.
49:21A white horse.
49:23And I saw.
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