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00:00We're trying to do something a bit different with the Daniel Morgan case.
00:11Daniel Morgan, axe murder, 1987.
00:14We have our suspicions as to who's involved.
00:17We've just got to get them saying they did it.
00:18The Metropolitan Police have a reward of up to £50,000.
00:22For any person who can give me information to the arrest and charge of those responsible.
00:27And Vyant's nasty. Jimmy's rank, but Rhys, he's clever.
00:32We caught one conversation between Fillory and Alex Marinchak.
00:37And who is this Marinchak?
00:38News of the world flunkies and no one.
00:40They've been watching the house, Jackie.
00:41Hey, hey, give me that!
00:45Do be aware of the power and the impact of the media.
00:48The news international.
00:50Exactly.
00:50Your budget was spent harassing me in every way.
00:54We need the problems for our family.
00:57We think that there isn't sufficient evidence.
01:00So it's dead, mate.
01:03Dead, Doc.
01:03Dead, Doc.
01:11Dead, Doc.
01:13Dead, Doc.
01:17Dead, Dio.
01:27Dead, Doc.
01:27Have a holy, jolly Christmas
01:50It's the best time of day
01:54I don't know if there'll be snow
01:58It seems like the car fully off has made you better
02:01Have a holy, jolly Christmas
02:04When you want to know
02:06Say hello
02:10Hi, this is Dave, leave a message
02:16Dave, it's James Wardy
02:18I know it's Christmas, but I've been thinking
02:21I've decided I'll do it
02:24I'll go in the box, I'll name
02:26I'll tell everyone who done Dan Morgan
02:28So just
02:29Ring me as soon as you get this, all right?
02:32Thanks
02:33So how was Christmas?
02:41Oh, it was Christmas
02:41What, you don't like Christmas?
02:44John, the best day of Christmas is Boxing Day
02:46Because then you know you've got 364 days to go to the next Christmas
02:50How is yours?
02:53We had a lovely Christmas, thank you
02:55James Ward, remind me?
02:58Get put away for drug trafficking last year
03:00Wants a deal in return for information in Daniel Morgan
03:04He's done deals before
03:06And how is his information?
03:08What's your feeling?
03:10My feeling is that the Morgan investigation closed two years ago and I now work at customs
03:14He knows things, he does
03:18And he rang me over Christmas, said he'd go QE
03:23He'll go in the box?
03:24That's what he said
03:25So I pulled him out of Belmarsh yesterday, made the chat
03:28So if we nicked him a year ago, why is he only stepping up with this now?
03:33It's my wife
03:33She's really unwell
03:36She could die
03:37I'm sorry to hear that
03:38That's why I need to get out of here so I can look after her
03:41I don't want her to die alone
03:43She shouldn't have to die alone
03:44I can't stop
03:45I need assurances
03:49There are ways we can protect you
03:52The people who've done Morgan, it's the worst kept secret in the world
03:57All the Croydon knows who've done it
04:01Shouldn't we start at the beginning?
04:12It's Glen with the axe
04:13Jimmy with the car
04:16It was purposely done
04:18Jonathan Rhys wanted it done
04:22I hear it was over a woman
04:24And who paid?
04:27Rhys
04:27And Gary?
04:31No, you weren't there
04:32His job was to keep everyone in line
04:34Sid Fillory was used later on to disrupt the inquiry
04:37Glen used to call it the golden wonder murder
04:42Because of all the crisps that Danny had bought for his kids just before he left the pub
04:47Okay, that's a great story
04:49Where did you get it from?
04:50Gary told me
04:51A few times
04:53Glen told me face to face a couple of times as well
04:56Glen said he got 25 grand for the job
04:59Is that good enough?
05:05Oh, that's not bad
05:07I mean, it's hearsay, but it's not bad
05:10We'll need to follow protocol to the letter
05:12Look, the way this works is that we go through what we call a cleansing process
05:23You confess to your past crimes, hand over all your assets
05:26I've been selling cannabis for 20 years, Dave
05:29I'm not sure I can remember everything
05:31You will get a separate debrief team
05:32You talk to them, they report back to me
05:35It's what we call a sterile corridor
05:37Why can't I speak to you?
05:40It's so I can't be accused of influencing you
05:42Feeding you information
05:43No
05:49No, I can't do that
05:51I don't trust the Met
05:52They're all bent at the Met
05:54Look, I'll be honest with you here, Jimmy
05:57This really isn't my case anymore
06:02You want this
06:04This is the process
06:06I don't want my wife to die alone
06:15No, you don't
06:28Okay, then
06:29I'll do it
06:33This could be our ticket
06:36We could crack this open, Dave
06:38You and me
06:39We could crack open Daniel Morgan
06:42Fifth time, Lucky
06:44What do you think?
06:59I thought we were moving forward
07:12And things have felt better recently
07:16Well, we are, we are moving forward
07:20You've just told me they're reopening Daniel Morgan with US SIO
07:22It won't be like last night
07:26Oh, and you're presenting it to me as if it's a done deal
07:28You didn't even ask me
07:29Jackie, it's completely different
07:31We've got them in the back foot this time
07:33We had witness protection
07:35Installed panic alarms
07:36We had journalists
07:37Fishing for our bank details
07:39We had
07:39Our kids were followed by the news of the world
07:41Yeah, well, that'll not be happening again
07:43Well, the people you're investigating are private investigators
07:45They invade people's lives, Dave
07:47And I'm not doing it again
07:48I can't go back to that
07:49Jackie
07:49You don't know how hard I've worked
07:50Please
07:51You won't
07:52You won't
07:53You won't
07:54It'll be quick this time
07:55Clean
07:56Well, why does it have to be you?
07:57Why?
07:58You're not irreplaceable, Dave
07:59Why?
08:00Because nobody knows Morgan like me
08:01I know this case inside out
08:03You want it
08:05No
08:06Yes, you do
08:07I don't
08:08Fuck is the last thing I want?
08:10Yates?
08:11He doesn't trust anyone else
08:13No
08:14No
08:15You don't trust anyone else
08:21How's it gonna work?
08:23I commute five days a week to Northall
08:25I've got Crimewatch and I'm teaching
08:26Explain to me how this is gonna work
08:27We will make it
08:28What?
08:29So it's a damn deal?
08:30Can you say no?
08:36Jackie
08:44After the last investigation
08:45The CPS said
08:46With all the pieces of the puzzle
08:48We would lack the glue
08:49To stick them together
08:51James Ward
08:52Could be that glue
08:53Now on his own
08:54Ward's not enough
08:56To get this over the line
08:58We need further evidence
08:59To corroborate his version of events
09:02My little brother was murdered 19 years ago
09:05In that time our family have been through
09:09Four failed police investigations
09:12The most recent of which
09:14Operation Abelard
09:15Was run by you
09:17DCS Cook
09:19So forgive us if we're not jumping up and down
09:21Because you think you might have found a new lead
09:25I understand
09:29Isabel
09:30We appreciate that this can't be easy
09:32But let me assure you
09:34DCS Cook lives and breathes this case
09:37No officer wants to find the people who killed your son
09:41And bring them to justice more than this man
09:44You said
09:47Detective Chief Superintendent Cook
09:50That apart from this new witness
09:54You said
09:56That you need further evidence
09:59What sort of evidence?
10:02We need people talking
10:04That means we need witnesses that can put our suspects at the scene
10:08At least two, preferably more
10:10Now Ward said this was a
10:12South London open secret
10:15Let's see if we can find anyone else out there saying the same thing
10:18Let's see if we can catch from the suspects themselves
10:21Now Gary and James Ward are both banged up for drug trafficking
10:24The other two we suspect
10:26Still up to no good
10:27Jonathan Rhys
10:28Rhys served four years for conspiring to plant cocaine on an innocent woman to help her ex win a child custody battle
10:34He's out now and back working as a private investigator
10:37Sid Fillory has just done three years community service for possession of indecent images of children
10:42He's now running a pub in Norfolk
10:44You jerked
10:46I wish I was
10:47We have taps on Rhys's phone
10:49And we have probes in the visitors room of Gary Vine's nick
10:52The DPS still own the house next door to Glen Vine
10:55So we reinstate the probes there
10:57We go over the old files
10:59All 200 crates in them
11:01Now we know
11:03Now motive
11:05Rumour has it that Daniel was about to sell a story about police corruption to the tabloids
11:09Now can we back this up?
11:11Other theories include sexual jealousy
11:14Daniel and Rhys were both linked to the same woman, Margaret Harrison
11:17Rhys and Harrison are still in a relationship
11:20Are there any other motives out there?
11:22We follow them all
11:25Any questions?
11:26I have a question
11:27How, after all this time, do you propose to get people talking?
11:36Triggers
11:41We need Mike Sullivan at The Sun
11:46I've got good contacts at the mirror anyway, we don't need The Sun
11:50No, we need The Sun, we need their readership
11:52John, we've been actively investigating the relationship between Jonathan Rhys and the news of the world
11:58The news of the world and The Sun are entirely separate publications
12:01Now Mike's, Mike's as solid as they come
12:06If we ask him to keep this away from Rebecca, he will keep this away from Rebecca
12:09No, no, sorry
12:10You just said they're entirely separate publications
12:14I thought you knew
12:16Knew what?
12:17Rebecca edits The Sun now
12:20A guy called Andy Coulson took over at News of the World
12:22Fuck
12:24You really think this is a good idea?
12:27Yeah
12:28I know these guys
12:29If we play them right
12:31They can be powerful allies, powerful allies
12:34And right now, we need The Sun
12:37Look, I'll level me here
12:38I wanted to take this to another paper
12:39But John Yeats swears by you
12:40I haven't known John for years
12:41Why did you want to go elsewhere?
12:42Don't like your editor
12:46Plus I've got concerns over one of your colleagues
12:49Alex Marchant
12:50Look, I'll level with you here.
12:57I wanted to take this to another paper,
12:59but John Yates swears by you.
13:02I haven't known John for years.
13:03Why did you want to go and swear?
13:05Don't like your editor.
13:06Plus, I've got concerns over one of your colleagues,
13:09Alex Maranchuk.
13:10Ah. Yeah, him.
13:12I know he denies it,
13:14but I think it was him who sent his dogs
13:16after me and my family a few years back.
13:17He was trying to obstruct a criminal investigation.
13:20I took it to Rebecca.
13:21She did nothing.
13:22I mean, obviously, I can't speak as to what Alex
13:25may or may not have done,
13:26but he's not really my colleague.
13:28I mean, I have nothing to do with news of the world.
13:31I mean, I think he's at their island desk,
13:32if I'm not mistaken.
13:34What about Rebecca?
13:36Well, um...
13:38You'd just be dealing with me on this one.
13:42I mean, look, if you're going to trust me, DCS Coke,
13:44you're going to have to give me an opportunity
13:45to earn that trust.
13:47It's one of Marlene's.
13:50Huh.
13:52Tell me what I can do for you.
13:56Come on, Kim, what's she say?
13:59Scotland Gerard established a covert unit
14:01to investigate a private detective's murder,
14:04rumoured to have been committed
14:05with the help of corrupt officers
14:06from the Metropolitan Police.
14:07Senior Lead Investigator, DCS David Cook, said,
14:14we will ensure the killers face the full force of the law.
14:18Cook?
14:21That's the same fellow as before, yeah?
14:24Yeah, that's right.
14:25Have you seen the article?
14:28Treasure reckons Warty's gone and crashed.
14:31It's a joke, mate.
14:32It's Dan Morden things come up again.
14:34Sending people letters this time.
14:36Police want me to inform.
14:38Fucking cheek.
14:39The uncle's done nothing.
14:43We wanted Sharon to visit Gary.
14:45We wanted Jimmy Court to call Glenn.
14:47They're not doing what they're supposed to be doing.
14:48Give it time.
14:49It's just pointless chat.
14:50We can't use any of it.
14:51Look, if nothing bites,
14:52we ripple the pond again.
14:55Rhys.
14:57It's quiet.
14:58Think he knows we're listening?
15:00Well, look, he's a canny fucker
15:01and I'm paranoid one of that.
15:04No plans to advise first contact with the enemy.
15:16We did half-page story for the Sunday Mirror
15:18and got £550.
15:21News of the World would have paid £1,500.
15:25No one pays like News of the World.
15:27Come, sit down.
15:28Relax.
15:28Sit back.
15:29Relax.
15:30You're in charge.
15:31Right, she's going to be over here.
15:33I'm going to bring back over here.
15:34I want you.
15:41Hello.
15:43Dave, it's Mike at the Sun.
15:45They said his name's Gary Eaton.
15:48And he called the news desk?
15:49He's seen the article.
15:51Said he worked in the drugs trade with Jimmy Cook for years.
15:54I wrote a letter to Jimmy Cook
15:56asking him to inform as a trigger.
15:59Oh, it seems he's going around town
16:00firing warning shots.
16:01Eaton said that Cook paid a visit to his girlfriend
16:03and scared the shit out of her.
16:05He was sending a message to Eaton,
16:06we know where she lives kind of thing,
16:07but doesn't seem to have had the desired effect.
16:09Just pissed him off.
16:11I think he's genuine.
16:13Could be a blunt.
16:14You could smell his fear down the phone.
16:18I can't have direct contact with a potential witness,
16:21but I will send one of my team over to get Steve.
16:22Look, he saw your name on the article,
16:23said he'd only speak to you.
16:25Something about everyone at the Met being bent.
16:27Left it on the fucking table
16:39because I wanted you to fucking take it.
16:40Cut!
16:41Yeah, no, I'll be done.
16:45That's just not fair.
16:46Open up, please, mate.
16:49Let me take that.
16:51I got it.
17:06Go for that.
17:11So that was a Johnny.
17:14Knackering.
17:15Knackered.
17:17I've not been sleeping.
17:17How long you put me up for?
17:22Well, that's kind of up to you.
17:24So why aren't you sleeping?
17:26Because I'm worried, you know.
17:27About what?
17:29Them coming after me.
17:31JC is a dangerous man, yeah?
17:32Everyone's shit scared of Jimmy Cook.
17:34He lives off fear of that bloke.
17:36He knows I know about Sid.
17:38He knows I know about virtually everything.
17:41Well, we do have ways to protect you.
17:42Yeah, right.
17:44Look, I can understand
17:45if you don't trust us.
17:48But to be honest,
17:49I'm not sure I entirely trust you just yet either.
17:54See, Gary, I'm just trying to figure out
17:56what it is you've actually got
17:58and how valuable that is to us.
18:01Look, I can give you Sid
18:02and I can give you Jimmy, okay?
18:05But I need guarantees.
18:08Because the thing is, right,
18:09the people that are involved in this,
18:11you have to have them as well.
18:13Because if they don't all go...
18:14Give me the name of the brother.
18:15If they don't all go,
18:16then I'm at risk all the time.
18:17Gary, give me the name of the brother.
18:19What, you want the main person of the brothers?
18:22Yeah.
18:23What we've just been talking about is Jimmy.
18:25No, no, the other one that was there, though.
18:27I don't know who it is,
18:28but I want you to tell me.
18:29I just know about Jimmy.
18:31Jimmy was there, okay.
18:35I know who was involved.
18:38Look, Jimmy had massive involvement in this, yeah?
18:41Massive involvement.
18:42If you can dance all day, mate.
18:43I'm not dancing, Dave.
18:44I will help you.
18:46I will help you,
18:47but I'm just weary, Essel.
18:48I'm just being careful.
18:51Okay.
18:52I understand.
18:53I was approached to do it myself.
19:07The murder.
19:12Okay, tell us about that approach.
19:13I was approached by Jimmy.
19:14How much did they offer?
19:1850 grand.
19:20In 87?
19:2150 grand cash, I swear on my life.
19:23I swear on my kids' lives.
19:28Why did they kill him?
19:29The impression I got was that he got winded the others' dealings.
19:34Because Sid Finnery and John Rhys had all sorts of other things going on in the partnership, yeah?
19:39I will have a shower.
19:40No, no, no, this is good.
19:41Tell me about Rhys' involvement in this.
19:43What, John?
19:44He didn't have any involvement in the actual murder.
19:46I'm not saying he was involved in the murder, but did he play a part?
19:49Did he put it up?
19:51Did he cover it up?
19:53Well, yeah, he's aware of it, yeah.
19:55Yeah.
19:56He had involvement in that side of things.
19:57I'm not even sure of that.
19:59Right, that's it for today, boys.
20:00Yep.
20:00One last question, eh?
20:02Just one.
20:06Why didn't you kill Daniel Morgan?
20:09Why didn't you take the job?
20:12Because I met him a few times and he seemed like a nice bloke.
20:17He just walked in off the street.
20:18Well, I know it's suspicious, but nothing he's said undermines Ward's evidence.
20:23I don't think he's any idea who Ward is.
20:25He's given us lots on Jimmy Cook, a bit on Fillory, nothing on the Byron brothers.
20:30I don't know whether that's deliberate.
20:32On motive, he reckons that Morgan was onto some dodgy dealings between Rhys and Fillory at summer.
20:37Well, coming in and confessing the crimes which could see him locked up for some time is certainly unusual.
20:42Could work in favor of his credibility.
20:44Either way, it's expensive.
20:46Ward's costing us 90 grand a month and he's already banged up.
20:48See, I think that Gary Eaton could be our golden goose.
20:51Right, well, let me talk to some people.
20:54How long do you need?
20:55Could be a few weeks.
20:59Right.
21:03Right, it's not exactly protocol, but until we get the green light from upstairs, Gary Eaton belongs to no one.
21:10He's a free man.
21:11He can do what he likes.
21:12He can walk.
21:13Any time.
21:15He can talk.
21:16And he will talk.
21:18And the people he's grassing could find him, silence him, or worse, we cannot let that happen.
21:25So, for three weeks, until the debrief team takes over, we are all on babysitting duty.
21:32Hello?
21:33Dave, it's Gary.
21:35Oh, hi, Gary.
21:36Right, we need another 20 quid.
21:38Julie's been on the scratch cards.
21:40Yeah?
21:41We pay his hotel.
21:41We go to Tesco.
21:44We buy his fangs.
21:45We charge his phone.
21:46We even wipe his fucking ass if we have to.
21:50All of this.
21:51Hello?
21:55Dave, it's Gary.
21:57St. Julie thinks the woman at the front desk is being funny with us.
22:01Can you have a word?
22:03With Julie?
22:04No, with the woman at the fucking front desk, mate.
22:06We do not let him out of our sight.
22:09Right?
22:10Dave, it's Gary.
22:11Is there something wrong with the telly?
22:13No, what's the matter with the telly?
22:14I couldn't get you out of the phone.
22:20We cannot afford to lose this witness.
22:24We cannot, and we fucking will not, lose Gary Newton.
22:31Is that understood?
22:32It's early days where this new witness was yet to establish whether he can stand up as a witness of truth.
22:49Yes, I understood completely, and thank you for letting me into your, um...
22:56Into the inner sanctum.
22:59You're more than welcome, Alistair.
23:01It's the least we can do.
23:02I remember when I got the call.
23:14Mum rang and she said,
23:15Your brother's dead.
23:19I couldn't take it in.
23:22Every time I went back to the pub, I still can't take it in.
23:27It was a dangerous line of work.
23:29He did a lot of, um, debt collecting in the early days, that sort of thing, you know.
23:35He was actually very brave.
23:37Stood his ground, you know.
23:39I'm sure he did.
23:41I'm sure he was.
23:44Brave.
23:51What's going on with Rhys?
23:53To be honest, we're not hearing very much, but, um, likely up to his old tricks.
23:58Can I share something with you?
24:01I'm worried that Jonathan Rhys is, um, well...
24:06I think he may have discovered some new tricks.
24:10It's a bug called a Trojan.
24:13Alistair Morgan found one on his laptop.
24:16He's concerned that Jonathan Rhys, or one of his minions, might be behind email hacking, basically.
24:20So, what, I've put in some antivirus software that should take care of it.
24:24Listen, I need yours.
24:28I need your laptop, honey.
24:30If you think that we're being hacked, we call witness protection.
24:34It's safer if I just handle it.
24:35You see, what I don't understand it is whether they're supporting you just won't take it,
24:41or whether they're just handing you another poisonous chalice at running a mile.
24:44Look, it could be nothing.
24:46Bugs can come from anywhere.
24:47It could be something, though, couldn't it?
24:48It could be something extremely serious.
24:51We could be under surveillance again.
24:52Or it could just be a coincidence.
24:54That's the thing about coincidences.
24:56Look, look, I said I won't do this again.
24:57Hello?
25:06Dave.
25:08Dave, I'm in a bad way, mate.
25:10Oh, hi, Gary.
25:11Jesus, he's gone off on one.
25:13Listen, listen, Gary, I'm sorry.
25:15I'm going to have to beat you on hold.
25:16Okay, wait a sec.
25:17Please, Dave.
25:20Go ahead.
25:20Sir, there's been an incident with Gary Eaton.
25:23We've had to intervene to relocate the girlfriend.
25:26What happened?
25:26She wants to end the relationship.
25:29She claims to be frightened of him.
25:31Was it violence?
25:32No, but in the short time I was with her,
25:34she received over 20 phone calls and a number of abusive texts.
25:38Okay, thanks for letting me know.
25:39Sir.
25:40Gary's still there?
25:42All right, listen, listen.
25:43Calm, calm down, calm down.
25:45Just take it easy.
25:47Gary Eaton has been phoning you on your mobile?
25:51Yes.
25:53Regularly.
25:55What does that mean?
25:55Sometimes daily.
25:58And this has been going on for...
25:59Sometime.
26:01It was small stuff.
26:02I thought I could handle it.
26:04And you're telling me about this now because...
26:05It's of concern at this point.
26:08It's potentially...
26:09Concerning?
26:12Yes.
26:17Ever played golf, Dave?
26:20Never.
26:22Well, you should.
26:24Does wonders for perspective.
26:26All right, this will come out and there are going to be questions.
26:34Questions as to what an officer of your rank is doing,
26:37taking direct phone calls from a protected witness.
26:40Questions as to why, when you have so much under your remit,
26:43you would concern yourself so personally with such a detail and why you, of all people,
26:50would choose a course of action that could severely compromise this entire invest...
26:56Why is he calling you?
27:00Because I'm the only person he trusts.
27:02Look, I know you like to think of yourself as some kind of maverick and you do things your own way.
27:05He hates his debrief team.
27:08He's extremely vulnerable.
27:10He's unwell.
27:10I believe him to be a genuine suicide risk.
27:15If I don't pick up and something happens or he does something stupid,
27:20I cannot...
27:22I got him into this situation, John.
27:27I cannot have Gary Eaton on my conscience.
27:32Well, witness protection won't have dropped him.
27:35No, no, he's handed over 70 grand.
27:38Admitted to crimes that could see him been done for 20 years.
27:40I know his hard work, but I believe he's valuable.
27:46Look.
27:48I appreciate the complexity of the situation,
27:52but you cannot be taking phone calls from a protected witness.
27:56From today, you will have no further contact with Gary Eaton whatsoever, okay?
28:01Yeah.
28:06And I'm serious about the Gulf.
28:10I'll look into it.
28:13Oh, my God.
28:43I found a bug.
29:00It's a fucking old building trying to listen to us.
29:03He reckons the fellas next door are coppers from Hendon.
29:07What if he goes in and bashes the door down?
29:10It's an expensive kit.
29:11Nice well, Hendon.
29:12I thought no plans for our first contact with the enemy.
29:17Is now a good or a bad time for more bad news?
29:20Good, I think.
29:22A journalist called.
29:23Said a hack from another paper tried to sell him a story about you and your wife.
29:27Oh, Jesus.
29:29And did he mention of the hack of the name?
29:30Yes, it's Alex Moranshack.
29:37All right.
29:39OK.
29:39I'll agree with you.
29:49I mean, it's not even a story.
29:52Jackie registered a business interest when I met.
29:54My name was on the paperwork.
29:56That's it.
29:56All completely above board.
29:58And I don't understand how this is a story.
30:00Which is why they didn't touch it.
30:01Which is why no one else in police street will touch it.
30:04It'll go away.
30:05Maybe so.
30:06But someone with access to confidential police records is talking to Moranshack.
30:11Maybe one of my own team could be any one of my colleagues.
30:13And they're talking directly to Rhys.
30:16Have you reported it?
30:17To who?
30:19I mean, if you think they're coming after you personally, you're going to need protection,
30:21surely.
30:22I mean, there must be a system.
30:23Mike, Mike, listen.
30:25The last time this happened, I went to my bosses.
30:27You know what they said?
30:28They said this has been dealt with in the bigger picture.
30:32I had a van following me and my kids to school.
30:34I had some fucker in my garden with a camera.
30:36My wife thought it was a gun.
30:37I didn't know it was that bad.
30:40I mean, who else knows about this?
30:43Well, that's my point.
30:44Nobody knows.
30:46Daniel Morgan's family, do they know what you went through?
30:48It's not.
30:48They've got nothing on their plate.
30:49They would have been on the phone to the commissioner, the home secretary, everyone.
30:52Yeah, and what good would that have done?
30:54My higher-ups knew that you lot were trying to disrupt a major criminal investigation,
30:59and they did nothing.
31:00Sat in their arses and watched it happen.
31:02Hung me out to dry.
31:05Since when did we become the targets?
31:07How is this in any way in the public interest?
31:09I'm sorry, mate.
31:12I mean, I'm...
31:12I'm really sorry.
31:18Hi.
31:26Hi.
31:28Hi.
31:30Sorry I'm late.
31:32Plate's in the oven.
31:37Everything OK?
31:39Yeah, fine.
31:39You sure?
31:42Meeting overrun.
31:43Meeting overrun.
32:57You see, I thought that was really good.
32:59isn't it?
33:01David Seaman.
33:03We need to get a game for Kilmarmock.
33:09What about Gary?
33:10Dave, I can't do it.
33:12I just can't do it.
33:14Look, here's the thing.
33:16You either need to sort yourself out
33:18and we crack on with this, or we don't.
33:20Okay.
33:21And you need to tell your team the truth.
33:23Because we cannot go on like this. We really can't.
33:29All right, there's something you need to know.
33:33I was there.
33:35You were where, Gary?
33:37I was at the Golden Lion.
33:39The night Daniel Morgan was killed.
33:43I was in the car park.
33:45They invited me to have a drink that night.
33:47Didn't know why.
33:49I thought it was something to do with planning a theft.
33:51Who's they, Gary?
33:53Jimmy Cook.
33:54So you went to the Golden Lion that night?
33:56Yeah.
33:57We sat by the door.
33:59And I saw Daniel coming.
34:02He was talking with John Rhys.
34:05And there was some woman with them as well.
34:08Who was she?
34:09I don't know. I've never seen her before.
34:13And this bloke...
34:16He taps me on the shoulder and tells me he wants to talk to me in a chance.
34:20He was one of the brothers.
34:22Scott, I think it was.
34:24The other brothers called Glen.
34:28I can't remember.
34:32So he told me to go to the chance and, um...
34:36And then we went out back because he said...
34:39Jimmy wanted to have a word with me in the car park.
34:42And we went out...
34:44And we went out...
34:45To the car park.
34:48And I saw Daniel behind there.
34:54And the axe was still...
34:58Still on his head.
34:59And Glen was with Jimmy in the car.
35:03And they drove off.
35:06And Jimmy winked at me as they drove off.
35:09And Jimmy winked at me as they drove off.
35:15They fucking winked at me.
35:19The only thing I don't understand is if you're going to murder someone, why bring along a witness?
35:24Why did they bring you into the pub that night?
35:26Were they trying to implicate him?
35:28Well, I already knew about the murder because they'd originally asked him to do it.
35:32So if you can be traced to the scene, you're not going to go around shooting your mouth off, are you?
35:37There was a warning.
35:40Strategy to buy silence.
35:42A risky strategy.
35:44So what else you got?
35:50Two men.
35:52Sitting by the door.
35:54Here.
35:55And no-one at the time could ID him.
35:58And that's where Ethan says he was?
35:59That's exactly where he says he was.
36:01Before Scott, who we have to assume was Gary Veehan, took him to the gents' toilets.
36:08And then outside.
36:10Fitz.
36:12He does.
36:15He does fit.
36:17So do we believe him?
36:18It doesn't matter whether we believe him, Graham.
36:21What matters is can we make it stick?
36:40Thanks.
36:49You look really nice.
36:50So do you.
36:51Oh, thank you.
36:55We should do this more often.
36:56We should get some drinks.
36:59You okay?
37:00I'm fine.
37:01I'm just tired.
37:03Yeah, you keep saying that.
37:05Because I am.
37:07But they're just your hours.
37:08I was hoping that might make a difference.
37:13Look, I'm really trying to find a way out of this, Jackie.
37:18For everyone.
37:19You're trying.
37:20You're trying.
37:22I'm trying to help you.
37:23I'm trying to solve the case.
37:24You're trying to help me.
37:26You make out that you do that with him, but I'm around.
37:30I try to be around.
37:34Even when you're with us, you're not with us, David.
37:37You're distant with the kids.
37:39You're tense all the time.
37:41I feel like I'm walking on eggshells.
37:43I'm really sorry.
37:50I'm just tired, you know.
37:56I'm not sleeping properly.
38:00Keep getting these dizzy spells.
38:04Because I'm tired, I think.
38:08I don't feel safe.
38:09Little things are just setting me off, and I'm doing everything I possibly can.
38:15But I just feel like I'm going backwards.
38:19It was never meant to be like this.
38:22I really am sorry.
38:24Truly sorry.
38:31You know, we're in a situation where it's like...
38:35It's like we're drowning.
38:36And when you're drowning, you need to get out of the water, right?
38:42Right.
38:44But we can't get out of the water.
38:49So we just have to find a way...
38:55...to get used to it.
38:56Is that your solution to get used to the water?
39:09I don't know what else you want me to say.
39:11I don't know what else you want me to say.
39:12I don't know why.
39:13I don't know.
39:17It doesn't matter.
39:19Gov?
39:36Yep.
39:37Can I have a word?
39:38Yes.
39:40Gary's given us a new witness.
39:43Who's that?
39:44She's called Lindsay Wright.
39:46An ex of Jimmy Cook.
39:47Gary said she might talk.
39:52This is all off the record, yeah?
39:54I mean, I'm not being recorded or nothing.
39:56Yes, Lindsay, off the record.
39:58And you can't say he gave you my name?
40:00I protected the witness and we really can't give you any further details.
40:05Told us that you used to go out with Jimmy Cook.
40:08Said you might know something about Daniel Morgan.
40:13Jimmy and I saw each other for about eight years.
40:15It weren't up to much.
40:17Never took me places.
40:19Only saw me when it suited him.
40:21I don't know much about Morgan.
40:25Jimmy did say some stuff, though.
40:29Anything you remember would be great.
40:33Well, the guy who did it was a nutter.
40:35Big bloke for Croydon.
40:37Might have worked the doors of clubs sometimes.
40:39I can't remember his name.
40:43Could his name have been Currie or Glenn?
40:45Yeah, Glenn.
40:48It was Glenn.
40:49And the murder was about a woman.
40:52And John Rhys had a go at Daniel in the car park before he was killed.
40:57I think it was him that took him out into the car park.
41:00That's all I really remember.
41:02How would you feel, Lindsay, about coming into the station and making a statement?
41:11Oh, no.
41:12No, I can't do that.
41:15We all know what Jimmy's capable of.
41:17If we can find a way to keep you safe.
41:20You said I didn't have to.
41:22It was off the record.
41:23You don't have to do anything you don't want to do.
41:25I think we, um, give you a call, come back later.
41:30No, no.
41:31Don't call me and don't come back.
41:33The thing is, it's my memory.
41:35You know, it's my antidepressants that mess with my head.
41:37I can't be sure of anything I just said.
41:40It's all a mess, if I'm honest.
41:43The only thing I can say for sure is that Jimmy Cook definitely didn't do it.
41:54Sorry, Gough.
41:55I don't know if there'll be no, but I'm coming here.
42:16Have a holly, jolly Christmas.
42:19Say hello to friends you know and everyone you meet.
42:30Oh, oh, the mental toll, how where you can be.
42:37It's not going for you.
42:41All very encouraging.
42:55Particularly the correlation between Ward and Eaton.
42:58Just tell me what the CPS want.
42:59Well, the call log for Gary Eaton's incomplete.
43:03I'll give that to you.
43:05And what about this potential new witness, Cook's ex-Lindsay Wright?
43:11Well, the story's golden, but we haven't managed to pin her down just yet.
43:14She'd make a difference.
43:16Is she pinnable?
43:17Yeah, she's pinnable.
43:19Whatever they think was happening with the credit cards, it's got nothing to do with me.
43:36I ain't done nothing.
43:38Can you tell them?
43:38Look, all we know is that Surrey police are considering charging you and your boyfriend with conspiracy to defraud.
43:44Now, we don't know what that's based on.
43:46But they don't go raiding people's homes for nothing, Lindsay.
43:50See, what we do know is if you decide to come in and help us, you could end up in a lot less trouble.
43:57You did this on purpose.
43:59Surrey police is an entirely separate division, Lindsay, this wasn't as.
44:02We're just here to offer you a way out.
44:05That's all.
44:06We'll give you a call later.
44:10Let you consider your choices.
44:12It doesn't look like I've got a starting choice, though, does it?
44:16Come on, I'll take you back in.
44:19Come on.
44:36What's going on?
44:52Where are the kids?
44:56They're both friends.
44:57I'm going away for a bit, and they're coming with me.
45:03Away where?
45:07I can't.
45:13I can't do this anymore.
45:16Can't be here.
45:17No, I don't understand.
45:18How can you not understand?
45:19No, no, you can't.
45:24No, you need to talk to me.
45:25We need to talk about this.
45:26I've talked, and I've talked, and I've talked, and I've...
45:29There's just nothing else to say.
45:32You're not taking those kids anywhere without my permission.
45:34Please don't fight me.
45:37Please don't.
45:37I don't want to fight you.
45:38So when are you coming back?
45:54You'll see the kids.
45:55I promise I will make sure that you see the kids.
46:02I'm truly sorry.
46:08Just bring the CPS.
46:32We can charge Reese, Cook, and the Vians for the murder of Daniel Morgan,
46:36and Fillory for perverting the course of justice.
46:39We're over the line.
46:40We're over the bloody line.
46:44Congratulations, Dave.
46:46The most investigated murder in the history of the Metropolitan Police Service.
46:51We're crack Daniel Morgan.
46:54I'll go and tell the Morgans.
47:06He wants to go and tell the Morgans.
47:13There was
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