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00:00Hello, America. I'm Mark Levin and this is Life, Liberty and Levin Saturday. Thanks for being here.
00:07Two great guests, Miranda Devine. We're going to dig deeply into this really misinformation or
00:12misinformation or whatever it is involving the assassination attempt on the President Butler.
00:17It's really stunning. And we're going to have some help from the great Nicole Parker in a little bit,
00:22former FBI agent. Before we go there, you know, I get tired of these criticisms of the president.
00:28You know, you're focused too much on foreign policy, not enough on domestic policy. What are they
00:32talking about? This guy's got hundreds of executive orders, reversing regulations, tax cuts, the border,
00:41on and on. I said, you know what? Last Saturday, I explained on this issue of affordability
00:47that blue states are unaffordable and red states are affordable and Republicans need to run on that.
00:53But what about the people in these states, Mark? What about it? The president of the United States
00:59is president of the United States. He's not running the local pizzeria. He's not running the local
01:03grocery store and all the rest of it. There are things he can do and things he can't do. But there
01:09are things he's doing like we've never seen before. I think he's doing more than FDR ever did at the
01:14height of the New Deal. And it's only eight, nine months in. Let's look at this. He is the general
01:20in the culture war. He's the general in making domestic moves that no president has made, certainly
01:27not in our lifetime. And what am I talking about? He's defunding DEI. He's removing it from federal
01:34policy. And he's removing it from state and local policy in colleges and universities that receive
01:39federal funds. He's depoliticizing the left wing anti-American rewrite of our founding and history
01:46that's taking place in federally funded museums and national parks, which are promoting hard left
01:53ideology. He's removing left wing directives that were coming out of our education department, the local
01:59school districts, K through 12 classes. He's doing the same thing. He's fighting hard when it comes to higher
02:05education. In fact, he's dismantling the Department of Education, something that President Reagan wanted
02:11to do desperately. And he was blocked by who? The Republicans in the Senate. Trump's doing it
02:17with the help of his excellent education secretary. He's promoting school choice like no president in
02:23American history options, particularly for poor people, particularly for poor minorities. He's withholding
02:30federal education funds for leftist agendas, indoctrination being pushed in our schools.
02:36He is fighting hard and again, using federal dollars as a whip to prevent men from going into women's
02:45sports, boys from going into girls sports. That was supposed to be protected under Title IX of the
02:50Civil Rights Act. He has defunded PBS, a left wing operation. He has defunded NPR, a left wing
02:58operation. Why do we need them? You got 1,200 channels on cable and you got hundreds and hundreds
03:04and thousands of stations on radio. If they're that great, let them get private funding. He has
03:11locked down the border, literally locked down the border. He's enforcing immigration laws against
03:18Democrat mayors, Democrat governors who are the new Confederates, who are trying to nullify federal law.
03:25He's trying to deport illegal aliens, especially the worst of the worst. He's appointing originalists
03:31to the federal bench to try and counter what Biden did, which is basically destroy the judiciary with
03:37activists, left wing lawyers. He's rebuilding America's infrastructure and industrial base
03:43through tax cuts, regulation cuts and yes, tariffs. And by the way, his tax cuts are for all Americans,
03:52including on tips, Social Security benefits, overtime, middle class income earners, and small businesses.
04:02What else? Revolutionary changes over there at the Department of HHS in our federal health agencies,
04:09extensive reform of welfare programs, including expanding work requirements, major overhaul of the
04:15student loan programs, including capping them, a complete overhaul of radical left-wing degrowth
04:22environmental rules over at the EPA, massive expansion of domestic energy production, including opening
04:30more land for drilling, speeding up permitting for energy projects, reevaluating or rescinding regulations
04:36seen as burdensome to domestic energy production. His administration has recently issued executive orders,
04:43signed legislation, provided financial support aimed at significant expansion
04:47of U.S. nuclear capacity. I think this is one of the great answers to energy in the United States
04:53of America. He's authorizing mining for all materials, especially rare earth materials, and we see it
04:58bearing fruit in Alaska and in Pennsylvania, including expediting permitting, prioritizing mineral
05:05extraction on federal lands, as well as using the Defense Production Act to fund projects and reduce
05:11dependence on foreign sources like China. He's consistently promoting policies aimed at massively
05:17expanding U.S. artificial intelligence. He's got the commitment of investments of trillions of dollars in
05:24this, so we stay ahead of China, because this is the new frontier, like it or not. And technology growth
05:30through deregulation, increased R&D investment, public-private partnerships, workforce training. I pulled, Mark,
05:38where'd you get it? I pulled it off the internet. I looked at all these different sites, pulled it
05:42together. I said, what do they mean he's not focusing on domestic activities? Are you kidding me?
05:48He's expanding U.S. timber production on federal lands. He's streamlining permitting processes. He's
05:53reduced regulations with a goal of a 25 percent increase in production. These actions were aimed at cutting
05:59red tape, expediting logging, salvaging operations, purportedly to reduce wildlife risks and boost the
06:07domestic industry. Hey, Nuscom, you could learn something from this. Pay attention. Reducing
06:13regulations and opening previously protected areas to commercial fishing, aiming to boost the domestic
06:20economy and compete with foreign imports of fish. What about farming? Enhancing farming. The enhanced crop
06:27insurance, expedited and expanded disaster assistance, market access and trade deals for countries in
06:33Asia and Western Hemisphere, particularly China, aiming to remove tariff and non-tariff barriers and
06:39expand market access for U.S. agricultural products overseas, like ethanol, soybeans, poultry,
06:46deregulating the agriculture industry and overturning climate-related regulations that lower farmer
06:51input costs. Even the cost of fertilizer was prohibitive. Now he's bringing it down. What else?
06:58He's expanding ranching, primarily by increasing access to federal grazing lands, expanded grazing access,
07:04financial support with more government-guaranteed loans, and expand access to capital for producers,
07:11predator compensation for livestock. You know, we've been protecting predator species for forever,
07:16and obviously it has an effect on the livestock. Increasing funding for small meat processors,
07:22reduction of inspection fees, because he wants more production. Remove unfair tariff and non-tariff
07:29barriers and create fair and reciprocal trade, expanding opportunities for U.S. exports. That's what's
07:36meant by reciprocal trade deals when he talks about them. He's pursued various actions aimed at lowering
07:42medical and prescription drug costs through executive orders, price transparency rules,
07:47and voluntary pricing agreements with manufacturers, capping out-of-pocket insulin costs from participating
07:53Medicare beneficiaries at no more than $35 a month for a month's supply. Initiatives at the Food and
08:01Drug Administration to speed up the approval of lower-cost generic medicines and biosimilars,
08:07which are often significantly cheaper than the brand-name alternatives. States can now legally
08:12import lower-cost prescription drugs if it can be done safely from Canada. What else has the
08:20president done domestically? Oh, I don't know. He's focused so much on foreign affairs. Executive
08:25orders on deregulation, signed executive orders directing federal agencies to identify and remove
08:32unnecessary administrative expenses and rent-seeking practices that drive up housing costs and impede new
08:39development. He signed into law an expansion of low-income housing tax credits, a program that
08:45incentivizes private investors to build affordable rental housing. Federal land development. He supports
08:50plans to make federally-owned land available for new housing development. And, of course, what he really
08:55needs is for the Fed to get its ass in gear and to significantly lower interest rates as they should.
09:01And he's been pounding on the Fed and pounding on Powell and telling him, you're killing the housing
09:06market. I'm doing everything I can from a fiscal perspective. You need to act from a monetary
09:12perspective and lower interest rates. In the initial months of his second term, real inflation, adjusted
09:20wages for blue-collar workers saw a significant increase, contrasting with negative real wage growth
09:28observed during the first part of the Biden regime when inflation was high.
09:33What else is he doing? Education is a disaster. The president knows this, and he's been working on it.
09:39Against the teachers' unions, against the Democrats in Congress, against Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, against this
09:45massive industrial education complex that is in place. They take your tax dollars at the federal level.
09:52They take your property tax dollars at the state level. And what do they do? We don't want parental involvement.
09:57We don't want school choice competition. We don't want. We're in charge. Pushing a leftist ideology every step of the way.
10:04And the results are seen, and Trump says, wait a minute. No more. We've got to fix this. What is he doing?
10:11In K through 12, he is ending the radical indoctrination of our students. It's being monitored. It's being fought.
10:19And he's being opposed every step of the way. School choice and vouchers, the proposed Education Freedom Scholarships and Opportunity Act,
10:27by allowing tax-free withdrawals from 529 education saving plans for a K through 12 cost.
10:34So you can take that money out of money you put aside for college and university in one day, which your kids may never use for that, or you may not,
10:42and apply it to school choice at the elementary, middle school, and high school levels.
10:47School discipline. Reinstate common sense school discipline policies that focus on objective behavioral misconduct rather than DEI principles.
10:56Thank you, Obama. Parental empowerment. The administration has supported policies aimed at giving parents more control
11:03over their children's education and school options, higher education, dismantling the Department of Education.
11:09It's going on right now under a great Secretary of Education. And that means transferring many of its functions to other agencies,
11:19block granting funding to the states, that sort of thing. That has been a desire of conservatives and Republicans since the late 1970s,
11:28when this monstrosity was created as a gift to the NEA and the AFT.
11:33And this is the first president, the only president to actually do something about it.
11:37As I said, ending DEI and affirmative action, the Department of Education removed or archived hundreds of guidance documents and web pages related to DEI.
11:46And they directed schools to comply with the Supreme Court decision that ended affirmative action in college admissions.
11:53Accreditation reform initiatives were proposed to reform the higher education accreditation process to encourage a competitive marketplace and potentially lower college courses.
12:05You know, we conservatives, I for one, these are things I have supported and advocated for decades.
12:12And you know where they went? Nowhere. They were on white papers. They were in seminars. They were in debates.
12:19This man, Trump, is actively enforcing these ideas, these principles, these proposals, trying to get America back from the hard left.
12:29That's what it is. I love it when they say, look what he's doing. He's imposing his will. He's attacking free speech and academic. No, he's not.
12:35He said enough is enough. You radical left wing kooks. You don't own the country. You don't own the culture. You don't own the government.
12:44No, it's time for patriotic Americans to take their government back and I, Donald Trump, will take the lead.
12:50And that's what he's doing. Combating anti-Semitism and foreign influence. This is very important.
12:55This administration has taken measures to combat anti-Semitism on college campuses, increased transparency requirements for foreign gifts and influence in American universities.
13:06We need to do much more in this regard. The prior regime was doing next to nothing.
13:10And we need more from the Republicans in Congress, too. You know, we don't want a dictator.
13:15Well, neither does Trump. Neither do I. Neither do any of these constitutional conservatives.
13:19But we would like you guys in Congress to participate a little bit more, maybe. That would help.
13:26That's not that you're doing a bad job. We just need to ramp it up.
13:29Student loans. Actions have included attempts to limit eligibility and cap borrowing for some federal student loan programs.
13:37They blew the lid off this. They federalized it. It is a massive swamp of abuse of spending and so forth and so on.
13:47And Trump's trying to pull it back as he should. And as also this public service loan forgiveness.
13:53They've been looking at that very carefully. This is a trillion dollar entity with massive abuse that's taking place.
14:01And you and I are now on the hook because Obama basically nationalized it, killed all the privatization.
14:06Trump's trying to bring back some of the privatization and so forth in competition and get control over it.
14:12Transgender athletes in sports. I hit this very quickly.
14:17An order. Keeping men out. Executive order. Keeping men out of women's sports prohibits educational institutions receiving federal funds from allowing transgender women to compete in women's sports categories.
14:30You know, I would say 10 years ago, this would be excuse me, what's going on?
14:35And so this president says, no, we're going to fight these things.
14:39You know, Biden was all in. His people were all in. He said no.
14:44Continued significant support by this president for historically black colleges and universities through a White House initiative.
14:51Folks, I could go on and on and on. This president has been focused on domestic policy, on foreign policy.
15:00He knows he's got one term left. He's got about three years left, despite what some of the kooks are saying.
15:06One term left. And he's doing everything he can. This is why this midterm election is so crucial.
15:12If Republicans don't win this midterm election, the Democrats will spend the entire time trying to impeach the president, investigate the president, do what they do.
15:22You know, maybe they'll bring out the Oswald files now that they brought out the Epstein files.
15:27You never know. Maybe they'll bring out the the Wilkes Booth files.
15:31I don't know what they'll do, but they're certainly not interested in the best interests of the country.
15:36They're moving radical Marxist Islamist left. And I was thinking about health care proposals.
15:41And I went back and look because I remember we have all kinds of fantastic proposals out there, including this administration.
15:48I think we ought to start talking about them. You don't have to pass them immediately.
15:52But say when you're asked by a reporter, do you have a proposal?
15:55You should have it right in your pocket. I sure as hell do. It's right here. And this is what we want to do.
16:00Now, key conservative plans over the years have market based reforms, allowing insurance plans to be sold across state lines to increase competition,
16:09expanding the use of association health plans, which allow small businesses to band together to form effectively their own insurance groups,
16:18promoting and expanding health savings accounts through credits, through tax incentives and so forth.
16:25So you put money aside like you do for your pension and that money is available to use Medicaid and state flexibility,
16:32giving states more control over their Medicaid programs and marketplaces, potentially cutting federal spending on Medicaid,
16:38but allowing flexibility with the states introducing work requirements for Medicaid.
16:44The president did this. The Republicans did this. God forbid if somebody has to work 20 hours a week,
16:50even volunteer 20 hours a week for Medicaid. I don't want to. The system's against me.
16:55Well, get off your butt and do something so the people who are off their butt doing something don't have to pay for you on the dole, too.
17:03And addressing preexisting conditions, all the plans using state based high risk pools or reinsurance programs to cover individual preexisting conditions.
17:12So you take cases that are the most difficult, expensive and you specifically try and help those people.
17:19But it doesn't mean all healthy people, all young people should have the same plan when they don't need the same plan.
17:25You know, the Heartland Institute had a great plan several years ago.
17:28I looked just in the Haskins writing in The Hill. This is four or five years old.
17:34He said the key to fixing the health care system is provide greater access to all people while making key structural reforms.
17:41They utilize the power of market economics and personal choice, not socialism or Marxism, Bernie.
17:48No, rather than impose top down mandates that respect consumer freedom.
17:53So they come up with a plan in the proposals.
17:56HOAs are health savings accounts that we just talked about. What else?
18:00Those who get employer provided health insurance like 160 million Americans would receive the money from the employers directly so they can purchase their own insurance plans instead of being forced to settle for whatever those plans are.
18:14And lower income Americans, those with disabilities and kids now enrolled in the Children's Health Insurance Program CHIP would receive the government funds directly.
18:24This is what the president's talking about when he says, why are we funneling this through these bureaucracies?
18:29Through these bureaucracies through these insurance companies, give the money to the people to make their own decisions, have their saving account or small businesses can get together, set up their own consolidated type insurance plans.
18:43There's so many opportunities. We throw so much money at the bureaucracy, so much money at insurance company, give it to the people.
18:51We will help people directly with pre-existing conditions. We can do that.
18:56And there are many plans out there that Republicans themselves have come up with.
19:01How about promoting them and talking about them when the Democrats keep talking about a Soviet style health care program like Obamacare?
19:10It is a complete and utter disaster. I'll be right back.
19:17Welcome back, America. We're here with somebody who really deserves a Pulitzer Prize at some point.
19:21I think Trump gets the Nobel Peace Prize and I think Miranda gets the Pulitzer Prize and I get the Booby Prize.
19:27But nonetheless, the great New York Post columnist, and to me, you're more than a columnist. You're like an investigative reporter, Miranda Devine.
19:36I want us to go slowly, step by step on what you've uncovered with respect to the assassination attempt on the president and Butler and the FBI and the Secret Service, because it is earth shattering what you've uncovered.
19:50A lot of people are busy, so they're not really sure about the whole thing that took place.
19:54Why don't you take us from the beginning and begin to walk us through this?
19:58Thanks, Mark. I think that the reason that it is so shocking is that it's now a year and a half since Butler and we have got now the Trump FBI in charge.
20:10And we still don't know anything about Thomas Crooks, the 20 year old would be assassin, who, remember, he shot eight bullets and one of them hit Donald Trump in the ear, narrowly missing, killing him.
20:25And also he killed Corey Comparatori, the firefighter, and severely injured two other men sitting in the bleachers behind Donald Trump.
20:34This was one of the most terrifying, shocking assassination attempts in history.
20:41And yet we are told to shut up, stop asking questions.
20:45And back in February, I interviewed Donald Trump when he first became president.
20:50And I asked him about Butler and Thomas Crooks.
20:53And he said, yes, we need to know more.
20:55And he turned and spoke to one of his people and he said, tell the Secret Service I need to know everything I deserve to know.
21:03When I followed up to find out if he was told, I was told that the Secret Service wasn't involved.
21:09It was the FBI who had all the information about the investigation.
21:14And then we heard nothing really until this source who I've known the source for a very long time.
21:23He has a client who had done his own amateur sleuthing just using private investigator tools, but also apart from that open source that's available to anyone.
21:35And he managed to uncover the digital footprint of Thomas Crooks that had been hidden from us.
21:40And he found some very disturbing features of this digital footprint.
21:46And he looked at 17 different platforms that Thomas Crooks was very active on, online, had accounts with.
21:54And on YouTube alone, there were more than 700 comments made by Thomas Crooks.
22:01And you can see the trajectory of a teenage boy, 15, 16, 17, who is progressively getting more and more violent and aggressive.
22:13And he starts off as very pro-Trump and really anti-Democrat.
22:18There are messages there where he says, in all caps, murder the Democrats.
22:23He hated the squad, AOC, Ilhan Omar.
22:27And his rhetoric was very violent against them.
22:32But then something happened to him in January of 2020.
22:36He flipped 180 degrees and he became rabidly anti-Trump.
22:42And until August of 2020, when his entire digital footprint went dark, he was a ghost.
22:51He was not active on any of those accounts that my source could find.
22:56During those eight months, he was just increasingly antagonistic to Trump, antagonistic to his supporters that he called a cult and sheep.
23:07And eventually, he started liaising or communicating with a Norwegian neo-Nazi called Willy Tepes.
23:17I don't believe that's his real name, but that's the name he used online.
23:21And Willy Tepes belonged to a group in Norway that was sanctioned by the State Department and designated as a terrorist group last year.
23:34In fact, in June, a month before Butler, although I don't have any reason to think that's anything more than a coincidence.
23:41But Willy Tepes would encourage Thomas Crooks in his talk of violence, but about how the only way you can seize power is through the barrel of a gun.
23:52And after Crooks made his final and most violent statement and most detailed statement about assassinating political leaders, assassinating military leaders, he disappeared offline until, of course, four years later, he pops up in Butler on a rooftop shooting at the president.
24:11That is a remarkable amount of detail that you've uncovered on your own with the help of people that you know that we're not aware that the FBI has uncovered.
24:21And I want to pursue some of this when you come back.
24:24His flip and I read your column actually took place in a six to eight week period.
24:28I mean, it was hot and then cold pro Trump anti Trump.
24:33It was that quick.
24:34This Norwegian outfit.
24:35I want to pursue that with you as well.
24:37And then my question to you is there was testimony given by the director of the FBI at the time, Ray and his deputy that discussed none of this zero.
24:47Now, either they didn't look or they didn't want to talk about it.
24:52Now, this is pretty stunning because this assassination attempt on Donald Trump is going to be discussed for decades.
24:59And the idea that we're going to need a commission 20 years from now to figure out everything.
25:04No, we need to know right now.
25:11Welcome to Fox News Live.
25:13I'm Chanley Painter in New York.
25:14If you're one of the more than 82 million people traveling for Thanksgiving, you better pack your patience.
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25:29A cold front will then slide across the northern tier starting Wednesday.
25:33That system could bring snow and Arctic cold to parts of the upper Midwest.
25:37While rain in the northeast could cause major airport delays and cancellations.
25:42And the federal appeals court is refusing to allow the Trump administration to expand a fast track deportation process.
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25:54The two to one decision declined to pause a lower court ruling that found the policy violated migrants' due process rights.
26:02I'm Chanley Painter.
26:03Now back to Life, Liberty and Levin.
26:04Welcome back, America.
26:17We're here with Miranda Devine in this real blockbuster story that she broke and I wanted it to be comprehensively discussed so everybody in America would understand what we're talking about.
26:25You had testimony by the director of the FBI and also the deputy director of the FBI at the time that if you listened to it, you got a little bit of information and then you just kind of moved on.
26:39You had no idea about the mindset of this killer and how quickly he flipped from pro-Trump to anti-Trump.
26:47The FBI is a massive bureaucracy and they have an enormous amount of technology.
26:52They have psychologists.
26:53They have all kinds of behavioral scientists and so forth and so on.
26:56Wouldn't you think they'd throw everything they have at this to figure out everything and that when the director of the FBI or the deputy director of the FBI testifies in front of Congress under oath and the American people, they actually know something?
27:09Absolutely.
27:10How did a 20 year old kid get onto a roof, defy all the Secret Service protection supposedly around a former president and a candidate to be president and managed to fire off eight shots before he himself was shot by a Secret Service sniper?
27:26And, you know, a week after Butler, Christopher Ray, then the FBI director, is asked in Congress when he's testifying, was the FBI aware of Thomas Crooks before?
27:40And he gives a very narrowly focused answer, which I believe you can drive a truck through.
27:46He says, we have searched our database and there is no mention of Thomas Crooks, no mention before Butler.
27:53So I think that opens up a whole slew of other possibilities.
27:58Is there a section of the database that's locked out from the normal search, which is what happened, I know, in the Biden cover up?
28:06So I don't believe that the FBI didn't have contact or didn't wasn't aware of Thomas Crooks beforehand.
28:13And if they were not aware, then that is simply shocking.
28:17I mean, there were people, other users who were flagging the FBI to Thomas Crooks's comments because they were so outlandish and so violent and so frightening.
28:28And so if the FBI missed that, it's incredible.
28:31I don't believe they did.
28:32But for some reason they're covering up.
28:34Then a week after Ray testified, we had Paula Bate, who's the deputy, was then the deputy FBI director.
28:43He testifies in a very misleading fashion.
28:45He lied by omission because he told Congress about the first part of Thomas Crooks's trajectory when he was anti-Semitic, when he was sort of you could code him as far right.
28:57But he didn't mention that there's a second part of the footprint of Thomas Crooks in which he's become gone far left.
29:06And now he's very anti-Trump.
29:08And so that's a significant situation.
29:10And as you said, he flipped from December of 2019 to January of 2020, a matter of, you know, less than two months, when he's completely sort of de-radicalised from the far right and radicalised to the far left.
29:25I'm not sure if that happens spontaneously.
29:28Some people have said it's because of COVID.
29:30But of course, January of 2020, there was no lockdown.
29:33That didn't happen until March of 2020.
29:35So I'm not sure what precipitated that.
29:39There's another angle that hasn't been discussed, and that is the fact that it's a small amount of evidence, but it links him to the Charlie Kirk assassin, Tyler Robinson,
29:50because Thomas Crooks had two accounts on a very strange online platform called DeviantArt.
29:59And it apparently is the largest online hub for the furry community.
30:04And of course, furry is some sort of sexual fetish where people dress up as animals and they indulge in sort of cartoon porn with animals.
30:14And so there's no actual animal porn that we can find or that my source found that Thomas Crooks engaged in.
30:22But there was other weird things.
30:24There was a lot of violent cartoon violence that he created.
30:28And also there was this sort of, we're calling it muscle mommy, but it's a very heavily muscled Sylvester Stallone style male body with a female head on top of it.
30:39And a puny little cartoon guy in his underwear sort of, you know, in a defensive posture next to this person that looks like Thomas Crooks.
30:48You know, we've been hearing some of these crazy conspiracy theories, but here's the thing.
30:53If your source can get online and can figure out more information than the American people have had all this time, then something's not right.
31:02And something is not right.
31:05I'm not talking about a conspiracy.
31:07I'm talking about the lack of a fulsome investigation and the provision of information to the American people.
31:14I can tell you somebody worked at the Justice Department.
31:17The FBI is a massive enterprise with a massive bureaucracy.
31:22And I would say the FBI and the State Department have the best bureaucrats, if you will.
31:27I'm not talking about line agents, bureaucrats in the sense of knowing how to run circles around political appointees that I have ever seen in my life, having served over there myself.
31:37Miranda, keep up the good work.
31:39And God bless you for doing this.
31:41Very, very important.
31:42Take care of yourself.
31:43Thanks, Mark.
31:48Welcome back, America.
31:49It's a pleasure to finally meet Nicole Parker, who is obviously brilliant.
31:53She worked at the FBI.
31:55She has a lot of credible information.
31:57You just heard from Miranda Devine.
31:59She also has written this fantastic book, The Two FBIs, The Bravery and Betrayal I Saw in My Time at the Bureau.
32:07When I was Chief of Staff to the Attorney General of the United States, you know, you have to be pretty gutsy, Nicole, to write a book.
32:12You have to be pretty gutsy, Nicole, to write a book like this.
32:14You have to be pretty gutsy to do what you've done.
32:16And what's interesting about you, to me, is you're able to explain the problems, the defects, what you saw without trashing the men and women of the FBI and the institution of the FBI per se.
32:29And we just had Miranda Devine on and she's raised some very troubling issues with respect to the FBI related to the assassination attempt at Butler.
32:40And so what I wanted to ask you, is this part of the problem really you're talking about in your fantastic book that, look, they've got to get their act together.
32:49There's a little bit too much of this clubbiness going on over there.
32:53They need to focus and prioritize.
32:55And it's very hard for two men, you know, Bongino and Patel.
33:00It's a massive agency with massive infrastructure, bureaucracy that's very enshrined to do these things.
33:07So what is your take?
33:08Right.
33:09Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me.
33:11You're exactly right.
33:12It is a very daunting task.
33:14What Kash Patel is walking into is an absolute disaster zone.
33:17And I'm just going to be blunt here.
33:19I know that the truth will always set you free.
33:22And that is what I do, my best to do, is to speak the truth.
33:26Because that's what Americans deserve and that's what the FBI should stand for.
33:29And so when we look at the specific investigation with Butler, again, this was under Director Wray and the Deputy Director Paula Bate.
33:37And that's very important to take note of.
33:39Because I did work under Director Wray along with James Comey and Robert Mueller as FBI directors.
33:44And I can tell you unequivocally that the FBI was focused on the wrong priorities, especially during the Biden administration.
33:53To the point, Mark, that I walked away.
33:55It was no longer even worth it.
33:57The FBI had become politically and socially weaponized.
34:00And we saw many things coming, cracks starting in the foundation back, I personally saw it in Comey's days.
34:06We'll get to that in a moment.
34:07But again, with this Butler investigation, let's take note of the fact that Director Wray could not even admit that President Trump had been shot.
34:16During a congressional testimony, he was even what I call victim shaming, not even acknowledging what had actually happened.
34:22And I remember coming out on Fox News and saying, that is absolutely the wrong approach.
34:26That is the last thing that you do.
34:28President Trump is lucky to be alive.
34:30It is literally by the good grace of God that he is still with us.
34:33There is a civilian, Corey, who is a true hero, who is no longer with us, and another individual who is injured.
34:40And so the FBI, in my opinion, it doesn't shock me that this happened on Christopher Wray's watch.
34:45And now all of this information and revelation is coming out that originally the FBI seemed to know nothing about the shooter.
34:51And now it's coming out that there is voluminous amounts of information about this shooter, online digital footprint, social media accounts, activities.
35:00And that's what I'm saying.
35:02They were focused on the wrong things.
35:04They were so obsessed specifically, Mark, on DEI, that they were missing the ball on major problems.
35:12They were so focused on January 6 misdemeanors for four years straight.
35:17The Biden administration and Garland unequivocally said this is the largest FBI investigation in history.
35:23That is why they were missing the ball and not doing the right things at the right time when it came to real threats.
35:28Man, you make a lot of great points there.
35:31And your book is fantastic.
35:32The two FBI's.
35:33You can get it on Amazon.com right now, any major bookstore.
35:36I encourage people to do it.
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