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00:00As many of us who are looking at our phones know that the Senate has passed the bill under unanimity.
00:21Survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring celebrating the Senate's passage of the bill,
00:27forcing the release of more files connected to the late sex offender.
00:32Now, the question will be, will the Justice Department actually provide all of the documents,
00:38or will it hold some back, citing ongoing investigations?
00:42We'll dig into that.
00:43Plus, we'll show you the big moments from yesterday's White House visit for the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.
00:48That meeting came despite his ties to the murder of a Washington Post columnist,
00:54prompting a response from President Trump.
00:57Quote, things happen.
01:00Plus, a Trump-appointed judge has blocked the Republican-drawn congressional map in Texas.
01:06We'll look at whether the Supreme Court will decide on the case in time for next year's midterm elections.
01:14There is so much going on.
01:15Good morning.
01:15So much to talk about.
01:16Welcome to Morning Joe.
01:17It's Wednesday, November 19th, along with Joe, Willie, and me.
01:21We have the co-host of our 9 a.m. hour, staff writer at The Atlantic, Jonathan Lemire,
01:27politics bureau chief and senior political columnist at Politico, Jonathan Martin.
01:31Morning.
01:32Just rolling in.
01:32Morning.
01:33Right on time.
01:34MS now, senior congressional reporter and host of Way Too Early, Ali Vitale, stays with us.
01:40And CEO and co-founder of Axios, Jim VandeHei, is here as well.
01:45Good to have you all.
01:46We've got a lot of talk to talk about.
01:48I mean, I just, too much, you know, as they say in Northwest Florida, trying to fit, you
01:53know, 10 pounds of sugar in a five-pound bag.
01:55Yeah.
01:56It's hard to do that.
01:57Sugar.
01:57Really hard to do that.
01:58But I just, first of all, I just, just going down the list here, you have a Trump-appointed
02:04judge in Texas being part of a panel that throws out the Texas redistricting, right?
02:13And this is what they write.
02:14I think it's very, very telling.
02:16According to Judge Brown's opinion, quote, it's challenging to unpack the DOJ letter because
02:20it contains so many factual, legal and typographical errors.
02:24Even the attorneys employed by the Texas Attorney General, who professed to be political ally
02:29of the Trump administration, described the DOJ letter as legally unsound, baseless, erroneous,
02:36ham-fisted, and a mess.
02:39But besides that, it was fine.
02:40Other than that, it's fine.
02:41And that's a Trump judge, Trump-appointed judge who's writing that.
02:45And again, it goes to the sheer incompetence up and down the appointees.
02:49People didn't say that about a lot of people appointed by Donald Trump, but he's deliberately
02:57gotten people who are lackeys, who aren't talented, who don't know what they're doing.
03:02And we see this time and again.
03:03And what's the impact?
03:04When he's building a skyscraper, he gets people that are going to build a skyscraper that doesn't
03:09collapse.
03:10Why does he think he can get the worst people, the least talented people, to run the most complicated,
03:19and most powerful government in the world?
03:22I mean, because the consequences, who does he hurt?
03:25Here, the Democrats are cheering that he's got one incompetent lawyer after another incompetent
03:31lawyer after another incompetent lawyer running things at the Justice Department, and it hurts
03:36him in the end.
03:38I keep saying this.
03:39I'm so tired of saying this.
03:40Getting stupid people hurts you in the end.
03:44The litmus test is loyalty in the second term.
03:47Are you loyal to Donald Trump?
03:49Period.
03:49Full stop.
03:50That goes if you're running the Department of Defense or now these lawyers that are appointed
03:55across the Justice Department.
03:56We talked yesterday about Lindsey Halligan and the mess of the Comey case, where James
04:00Comey now has a list of options to get himself and get that case thrown out because of the
04:05way it's been prosecuted.
04:06And now in Texas, as you say, this isn't just about being good for Donald Trump or being bad
04:11for Donald Trump.
04:11This is bad for Republicans who put so many eggs in this basket, invested so much in Texas
04:17to reshape the map and thereby reshape the House of Representatives, setting off this
04:21kind of arms race now in California and across the country.
04:24If that falls apart, what's going to happen to their other cases across the country?
04:28They lose five.
04:30California picks up five.
04:32Right.
04:33Utah picks up one.
04:34And again, this whole incompetent exercise ends up blowing up in their face politically.
04:40And again, it, you know, it started by a misreading of a prior decision.
04:49Again, the incompetence, you know, there are actually more important things and just 100%
04:55loyalty and that's actual competence.
04:56And you're seeing it up and down the administration.
04:59And Jim VandeHei, I mean, let's go over a checklist.
05:02So who did he have last night?
05:04He had a guy that, again, he doesn't like talking about it, but a guy who chopped up,
05:08you know, called for the chopping up of Washington Post columnist.
05:13Washington Post didn't take his things happen comment very kindly last night.
05:19And the head editorial headline is things happen, which is what he said when it was asked.
05:25Well, what do you think about the fact that, you know, he's been found to have chopped up
05:30this journalist, things happen, he says.
05:32But you look at that at a time when Marjorie Taylor Greene is calling him a traitor, saying
05:39he's worried about, you know, foreign governments.
05:42He's worrying about himself, but not worrying about the people.
05:44And here you have, I think, worst timing ever.
05:47A state dinner with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, while the one piece of legislation that's
05:57passed with bipartisan support that he will sign is a piece of legislation he didn't want
06:05passed and files released that he doesn't want released.
06:10Yeah, it's I want to get back to competence in a second.
06:15But the if you're America, so if you're in MAGA and you're America first, what the hell
06:21are you thinking today?
06:22You're watching the fact that you have the White House and Congress.
06:26The only thing that they've done in the last two months is vote to release the Epstein files
06:32over the objection of the president who doesn't didn't want any of the files to be released
06:38in the first place.
06:39Nothing else.
06:40Then you put next to that the fact that you have a quasi state dinner with the Saudis.
06:47Now, remember, like it was the Saudis who were on the airplane that crashed into our towers,
06:53killing 3000 Americans.
06:55That's just a fact.
06:57It is also a fact that the journalist that he was deriding when he was talking to the press
07:04yesterday was sawed into pieces and the CIA under Trump had a report that linked it pretty
07:13directly to at least the crown prince being aware of it.
07:17And you have him talking to the Saudis about getting deals from us where we're going to
07:22let them have our F-35s on their soil.
07:26We're going to give them access to our AI technology when the Saudis themselves have
07:32said, hey, listen, what we don't get from you, we're going to get from China, which might
07:37mean that if we give you something, you might be able to backdoor it to China yourself.
07:43Those are not disputable things.
07:45They are just absolute facts.
07:47And so one of the reasons that you have the activist wing of MAGA so upset is they're like,
07:52this isn't what we paid for.
07:54This isn't what we voted for.
07:55This isn't what we asked for.
07:58And your competency is another thing that if you're a Republican, you've got to start to
08:04boil at some point because you've got nirvana.
08:07You've got as much power as I've ever seen vested in one party at one time in one city.
08:14And yet, if you look at the number of laws actually being signed, the things that will
08:19outlast the short term deals, very few of them.
08:24And then you look at the polling and you look at that working class white voter who
08:28puts you into office and they're frustrated, top to down.
08:33We've talked about this every time I'm on the show.
08:35Every issue that they care about, including things being really expensive and them being
08:39very worried about whether they're going to get a job or their kid's going to get out
08:42of college and enter the worst job market that we've seen in five or 10 years, not even
08:47really discussed.
08:49And it does come down to competence.
08:50If you have the right people doing the right work at the right time, you get really good
08:54results.
08:54That's like the trick of leading anything, running a company, running a government.
08:57And John Lemire, I mean, let's talk about when Mary Bruce's ABC asks a question that feeds
09:08off of what Trump's own CIA concluded in his first term, that Khashoggi was chopped up, tortured
09:19and chopped up at the knowledge or direction of the guy that he was praising yesterday.
09:24Now, listen, if you want to say we work with very bad people and it's time to move on, people
09:30have made that calculation.
09:31They just have.
09:33Maybe people don't like that that calculation's been made.
09:36But to attack a lawyer and tell her, now, get this, get this, get this.
09:43He's sitting next to a man who was responsible for the sawing up of a reporter.
09:51And then he calls an ABC News supporter, reporter, insubordinate.
10:02Think about that.
10:03There was a time when the American president, whoever it was, no matter which party, would
10:07try to be an example for the rest of the world in terms of human rights, in terms of freedom
10:11of the press.
10:11And that is something that this president has never been interested in doing.
10:15He's cozying up to power, authoritarians and the like.
10:19And yesterday, his response to that ABC reporter was, as noted, things happen.
10:24A bone saw happened.
10:25That's what happened to Jamal Khashoggi.
10:27He was chopped up with a bone saw at at least the knowledge and perhaps at the instruction
10:30of the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.
10:34He then, when the Trump, the president went on to say there's some people who didn't like
10:37Jamal Khashoggi, sort of suggested that maybe he had it coming, that some people disagreed
10:42with him.
10:44And this is and then to fed him at another opulent state dinner in all but name last night,
10:50described as the glitziest event that he has thrown for any leader so far this year.
10:56The most lavish event the White House has held so far this year.
10:59And we're seeing images of it now was last night in in the honor of of MBS, you know,
11:06a problematic ally, to say the least.
11:08And we have, again, this president using a moment with the eyes of the world on him to
11:13side to turn away from what would be considered traditional values of the office.
11:18Jay, Mark, this all comes with the background.
11:21Amika is going to get into the news in a minute here of Donald Trump being rolled for the first
11:28time in an extraordinarily dramatic way by Republicans in the House and the Senate.
11:33And by backbenchers, frankly.
11:34I mean, look, no offense to Thomas Massey, but he's somebody who's sort of been a bit
11:38of a bomb thrower, you know, not somebody who was the modern Sam Raver in there necessarily.
11:43And he basically said, I got the votes, man.
11:47And once that was clear, Trump had no choice but to fold.
11:50Think about the timing of this.
11:52So two weeks ago, up and down the ballot, coast to coast, the Republican Party loses every election
11:57decisively.
11:58Even the White House gets the message.
12:00OK, inflation is still a problem.
12:03We got to do something.
12:04Let's have DOJ go after the meatpackers.
12:06Maybe we got to rescind the tariffs on coffee and bananas and some other stuff.
12:10We're going to have Trump talk about it more.
12:12Promise.
12:13Two weeks later, to the night, two weeks later, they got one more foreign leader coming through
12:19Washington for one more grip and grin.
12:21And then they have this lavish state dinner.
12:23Talk about not getting the message, right?
12:26The voters say, why aren't you focused on us, man?
12:29And two weeks later, what are they doing?
12:30They're once again focused on foreign policy, some other country.
12:34Who are these folks here?
12:36Who is this guy?
12:37The Saudis.
12:38And the Saudis.
12:39I mean, it's not like Luxembourg.
12:40Were they in the 9-11 country?
12:42Or the Brits?
12:43Or the French?
12:43One of our allies, traditionally.
12:45I just think it's so, it is so, it is so, it so contradicts the message from two weeks
12:51ago.
12:52And it shows that Trump is going to do what he wants to do.
12:55And what does he want to do?
12:56He wants to sort of buddy-buddy up with these folks.
12:59He wants to enjoy the trappings of the office.
13:01And as long as you can't change that, you can't change the fundamental political challenge
13:07this White House has.
13:08Well, it's quite a parallel yesterday while the White House was preparing for that dinner
13:12with overwhelming support in both chambers of Congress.
13:17Legislation that will require the Justice Department to release all of its records related to Jeffrey
13:23Epstein will soon land on President Trump's desk, where he has said he will sign it.
13:28The measure moved quickly through Capitol Hill yesterday, starting in the House, where lawmakers
13:33approved it in a near unanimous vote, 427 to 1.
13:39The low no vote came from Republican Congressman Clay Higgins of Louisiana, citing privacy concerns
13:45for people who may be identified in the documents, specifically witnesses, people who provided alibis
13:51and victims' family members.
13:53House Speaker Mike Johnson has echoed those concerns despite voting for the bill himself.
13:58Just a few hours later, the Senate unanimously agreed to pass the legislation once it arrives
14:06in the upper chamber, which is expected this morning.
14:10A senior White House official tells MSNOW the president will then sign it whenever it gets
14:16to the White House.
14:17But as the Epstein files bill makes its way to President Trump's desk, he continues to brand
14:25the issue as a distraction and a hoax.
14:29Shortly before the Senate lined up to back the legislation last night, the president posted
14:33on social media that he did not care when the chamber passed the bill as long as Republicans
14:39don't, quote, take their eyes off all the victories we have had.
14:44And earlier yesterday, in the Oval Office, he once again sought to distance himself from
14:50his former friend and highlight Jeffrey Epstein's ties to Democrats.
14:57You just keep going on the Epstein files.
15:00And what the Epstein is, is a Democrat hoax to try and get me not to be able to talk about
15:06the $21 trillion that I talked about today.
15:08It's a hoax.
15:10Now, I just got a little report and I put it in my pocket of all the money that he's
15:15given to Democrats.
15:17He gave me none, zero, no money to me.
15:20But he gave money to Democrats.
15:23Well, of course, every time he says that, all he sees is evidence of his close friendship
15:31with Jeffrey Epstein, of things him saying positively in, you know, in magazine articles
15:42about his good friend Jeffrey Epstein, of him dancing and hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein.
15:48So, again, even him doing that invites blowback that he doesn't want.
15:53So, I'm not exactly sure why he keeps saying things when, again, his own MAGA base isn't
16:01going to go, oh, that's a left-wing media hoax.
16:04They can't do that.
16:05Why can't they do that?
16:07Because they're the ones who've been pushing for the release of the Epstein files while Democrats
16:14during the Biden term were going, duh, what?
16:18Didn't say a word then.
16:19It was the MAGA folks who have been pushing this.
16:23So, when he insults people for pushing for these files to be released, he's insulting
16:30his own base.
16:32Really, the show that was truly in awe of all of the women who spoke out on Capitol Hill
16:37yesterday and have been for years.
16:40I'm Ali Vitale on this Wednesday, November 19th, and we'll start with that news right
16:44there, because with overwhelming support in both chambers of Congress, legislation that
16:48would require the Justice Department to release all of its records related to Jeffrey Epstein
16:52will soon land on the president's desk, where he has said he'll sign it.
16:56The measure moved pretty quickly through Capitol Hill yesterday after months of stalling.
17:01It started in the House, where lawmakers approved it in near-unanimous fashion, a 427-to-1 vote.
17:07The lone no vote came from Republican Congressman Clay Higgins of Louisiana, citing privacy concerns
17:12for people who might be identified in the documents, saying he preferred the Oversight Committee's
17:16investigation of this matter.
17:18Those were concerns that House Speaker Mike Johnson also continues to echo, despite voting
17:22for this bill yesterday himself.
17:25Just a few hours later, the Senate unanimously agreed to pass the legislation once it arrives
17:29in the upper chamber, which is expected sometime this morning, we're told.
17:32A senior White House official also tells MSNOW the president will then sign it whenever it
17:37gets to the White House.
17:39Meanwhile, Republican Congressman Thomas Massey of Kentucky, who led this charge, reiterated
17:43concerns yesterday about what the Justice Department will actually release.
17:49And he says he's going to investigate Democrats.
17:52The problem with that is these perpetrators against these victims and survivors, it doesn't
17:58matter what their political party is.
18:00When you're only going to convict half of the rapists, I think that's bad.
18:06The second problem with it is it will create silos of information because our bill, I mean,
18:14federal law requires and our bill concedes that if you have an ongoing investigation, you
18:20can't release material that would hamper the ongoing investigation.
18:24But here's the good news.
18:26They can't start enough investigations to cover up all of this.
18:31There will be men's names who come out from this that they can't make everybody part of an investigation.
18:40And as part of the person, one of the people who was in that conversation,
18:43Massey fielded a lot of questions like that.
18:46But he also repeatedly roasted the speaker for the about face that the speaker has made,
18:50voting yes on this bill, even as he continued to criticize it.
18:53But all of this, as the Epstein files bill makes its way to the president's desk, Trump
18:59continued to brand the issue as a distraction and a hoax.
19:03Shortly before the Senate lined up to back the legislation last night, the president posted
19:06on social media that he didn't care when the chamber passed the bill, as long as Republicans
19:10don't, quote, take their eyes off all of the victories we've had.
19:15And earlier yesterday in the Oval Office, Trump once again sought to distance himself from
19:18his former friend, as well as highlight Epstein's ties instead to Democrats.
19:22You just keep going on the Epstein files.
19:27And what the Epstein is, is a Democrat hoax to try and get me not to be able to talk about
19:32the twenty one trillion dollars that I talked about today.
19:35It's a hoax.
19:37Now, I just got a little report and I put it in my pocket of all the money that he's given
19:42to Democrats.
19:42He gave me none, zero, no money to me, but he gave money to Democrats.
19:50I want to bring in now congressional reporter for Semaphore, Eleanor Mueller.
19:54Eleanor, I first want to start with the idea of how this passed yesterday.
19:59I mean, the House vote, we all knew we had tick tocks leading up to it.
20:03We knew what the floor was going to look like, how long they would have for debate, when we
20:06thought we might see this pass.
20:07And then it gets to the Senate and we knew that Chuck Schumer was going to try to use
20:11this thing called unanimous consent.
20:13I always call it Senate magic because all 100 of them can decide to do whatever they
20:16want.
20:17But how did this actually work?
20:18Because I think all of us were kind of caught off guard.
20:21Oh, we were.
20:22I mean, the House has been talking about having this vote this week, likely on Tuesday for
20:25days now.
20:26The Senate admittedly has been out since last Thursday.
20:29So we haven't seen them in a long time.
20:31But no one thought that this request to pass it essentially by voice vote, right, would
20:36go through any one single senator could have objected.
20:38It seemed like at the last moment, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen might have had some of the
20:43same concerns that Johnson had.
20:44But at the end, it didn't matter.
20:45And they ended up just pushing this thing through.
20:47And I think they took a lot of people by surprise.
20:49Yeah.
20:49And you had Senator John Kennedy, one of the people that I was looking at in the Republican
20:52caucus on the Senate, who has been vocal in front of Kash Patel, in front of Pam
20:56Bondi about their need for more transparency on this.
20:59You had him praising Thune for basically letting this go through in the fashion that it did.
21:04The thing that I thought was striking was that Speaker Johnson yesterday was saying vocally
21:09the concerns that he still had in this bill.
21:11He was making clear both publicly and in text messages with Thune that he wanted them to make
21:16some changes, some amendments.
21:18And Thune basically said, I don't know, with a vote like 427 to one, I'm not going to do
21:22that.
21:23What does that say that those changes weren't made?
21:25It's fascinating.
21:26So Johnson started saying on Monday that he wanted these additional changes.
21:29He said even that he was highly confident, quote unquote, that the Senate would wind up
21:33making them.
21:34Basically, the changes would have allowed the Justice Department to redact even more information
21:37than it already can under the bill.
21:39So names of people who might have been tangentially involved, but were not perhaps criminally implicated.
21:44That's something that Congressman Massey, others who have supported this legislation have
21:48said is a no go.
21:49You know, you shouldn't be shielding these people who were involved with Epstein.
21:53And Thune got to the Hill yesterday.
21:56He said, you know, I talked to the Senate's lawyers and I think we're good here.
22:00And Greenlit the thing.
22:01So that was part of why it was so surprising, too, was because I think a lot of people were
22:04under the impression he was going to be having this conversation about making tweaks that
22:08could even send it back to the House.
22:10And then that didn't happen.
22:11It didn't happen.
22:12And I also think it's really striking the way that now it seems like twice in the last
22:17week, the Senate majority leader has basically said, OK, I hear what the speaker is saying
22:21and I'm going to choose not to do anything about it.
22:24And that's on the provision regarding senators being able to sue the Department of Justice
22:28for their phone records being accessed.
22:30That's something Johnson wanted stripped out of the bill to reopen the government.
22:33Thune basically said, yeah, thanks, but no thanks.
22:35We'll see ultimately if something happens on that.
22:36And now on this one, not making the amendments that that Johnson was very vocal about wanting
22:42changed in this bill and the Senate saying, oh, we're good.
22:45We're going to pass it as it is.
22:46So we're going to wait for transmission of the bill from the House to the Senate and then
22:50to the president's desk.
22:51That hasn't happened yet.
22:52But once it does, our understanding is the president will sign it.
22:56That's good news to the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse, who gathered on Capitol Hill
23:01yesterday morning once again, along with several lawmakers who've been pushing for the release
23:05of these Epstein files.
23:06More than a dozen Epstein survivors spoke, with several urging President Trump to stop
23:10politicizing this issue.
23:13This process has been distressing.
23:16First, the administration said it would release everything and applauded President Trump for
23:21that.
23:22Then it fought to release nothing.
23:24I beg you, President Trump, please stop making this political.
23:28It is not about you, President Trump.
23:31You are our president.
23:33Please start acting like it.
23:34Show some class.
23:35Show some real leadership.
23:37Show that you actually care about the people other than yourself.
23:41I voted for you, but your behavior on this issue has been a national embarrassment.
23:47And to the president of the United States of America, who is not here today, I want to send
23:55a clear message to you.
23:57While I do understand that your position has changed on the Epstein files, and I'm grateful
24:01that you have pledged to sign this bill, I can't help to be skeptical of what the agenda
24:06is.
24:07So, with that being said, I want to relay this message to you.
24:14I am traumatized.
24:15I am not stupid.
24:17You have put us through so much stress, the lockdowns, the halt of these procedures that
24:23were supposed to have happened 50 days ago.
24:27The Adelita, Grijalva, who waited to get sworn in and then get upset when your own party goes
24:33against you because what is being done is wrong.
24:35It's not right.
24:37For your own self-serving purposes, this is America.
24:41It was another morning of just gut-wrenching testimonials from those survivors.
24:46Their strength was awe-inspiring.
24:49It came as Republican Congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia was also there with them,
24:53and she hit back at President Trump after he called her a traitor for not removing her
24:57name from the Epstein discharge petition that ultimately is going to allow these files to
25:01become released.
25:03These women have fought the most horrific fight that no woman should have to fight, and
25:11they did it by banding together and never giving up, and that's what we did by fighting
25:18so hard against the most powerful people in the world, even the President of the United
25:24States.
25:25I was called a traitor by a man that I fought for five, no, actually six years for, and I
25:35gave him my loyalty for free.
25:38I won my first election without his endorsement beating eight men in a primary, and I've never
25:45owed him anything, but I fought for him for the policies and for America first.
25:50And he called me a traitor for standing with these women and refusing to take my name off
25:57the discharge petition.
25:58Let me tell you what a traitor is.
26:02A traitor is an American that serves foreign countries and themselves.
26:09A patriot is an American that serves the United States of America and Americans like the women
26:17standing behind me.
26:19At another point in that press conference, too, Marjorie Taylor Greene said this issue
26:24was tearing MAGA apart.
26:26I mean, what are the longer-term implications here?
26:30Yes, for the survivors, who I think are finally sensing that they could get some shred of transparency
26:36that they've been craving.
26:37Let's start there, and then we'll go to the politics.
26:39It's a huge deal.
26:41I mean, of course, as Massey raised, Trump has reopened this investigation that could
26:45prevent some of the files from coming out.
26:47But as he also pointed out, they can't stop everything, and it's certainly not forever.
26:52And so even though some things could be delayed because of what the administration is doing
26:55behind the scenes, these women are going to receive so much more clarity and public support
27:01for what happened because of what's going to be able to be published.
27:04And that's what they've said, is that some of this information is stuff that they don't
27:07even know what happened to them, and that's why they are so adamant that it needs to be
27:11released.
27:12And then the politics of it, the idea that Marjorie Taylor Greene is saying this has torn
27:15MAGA apart, this might be a moment in time on the Hill.
27:19I think there's much longer legs here.
27:21Absolutely.
27:22Congressman Massey actually made a very similar comment.
27:24He said, you know, members need to think about the fact that this is bigger than Trump,
27:27that MAGA itself is bigger than Trump.
27:29And this is really the first time we've seen members of the Republican Party make those kinds
27:33of comments out loud.
27:35You know, multiple members and aides told me privately weeks ago that this was why Marjorie
27:39Taylor Greene was starting to speak out, was because she saw a future of MAGA that extended
27:43beyond Trump's presidency.
27:44Now she's saying it, now others are saying it.
27:47And I think that it tells us a lot about how the rest of the second administration is going
27:51to go.
27:51Yeah, you can't be the head of a party forever.
27:54And I think that members of Congress, at least on this issue, are starting to recognize that.
27:59It's going to be another interesting day on Capitol Hill as we get the chance to talk to
28:02senators, Eleanor, about why they didn't do a roll call vote, why they did it the way they did it.
28:08I think you and I are going to have some fascinating conversations.
28:10I will see you up there.
28:11Congressional reporter for Semaphore, Eleanor Mueller.
28:14Still ahead for us this morning, we're digging into new polling that shows President Trump's
28:18approval rating taken.
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