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00:00Oh my god, Katie, I feel like there's so much to talk about this whole season.
00:04Danny and I were just wondering, is she okay?
00:07Also, where is she?
00:08Like, it sucked not having half the season without you.
00:11I was not okay, and now I am.
00:13Okay.
00:14You look like you're doing okay.
00:15You're looking amazing.
00:16Moisturized, unfathored.
00:17Well, let's get into Vicky's epic return for season 20.
00:20How are we feeling?
00:21So excited.
00:22So happy for her.
00:23She deserves it.
00:24I mean, she's the OG.
00:26Coming back for season 20.
00:27Coming back.
00:27And you know, obviously, if there's a season to bring Vicky back, this would be the season.
00:31I am so excited about Vicky coming back.
00:34And I just did a photo shoot with her and Tamara, and she's still holding the orange.
00:41She hasn't let it go.
00:42It's hilarious.
00:44And Vicky coming back, obviously, our husbands are really dear friends.
00:47So it'd be great to come back with both of them.
00:49Vicky and Tamara, I have been pushing both of them.
00:52I've said, you guys need to squash me.
00:53Like, it's ridiculous.
00:54Like, I think, I think with everything we've all gone through, we all know reality TV is
00:58not easy and that it's something that you, I mean, you have to let things brush off.
01:05You guys know this, even in the industry you're in, you have to let things brush off.
01:09But I feel like, you know, when I saw them doing their commercial for their new latte,
01:15I'm so excited to try that, by the way.
01:17But I was like, yes, it's finally, they're just such a duo.
01:21Emily and Gina were saying that there maybe should be an ultimatum.
01:24Only Gretchen or Tamara should come back, that they both can't return.
01:27What are your thoughts on them sort of putting that ultimatum out into the universe?
01:31I definitely think it should be Tamara.
01:34They actually said ultimatum.
01:35Who's making the ultimatum decision?
01:37I was like, did they get hired for casting?
01:40Neither of them could come back together, so we're going to have to pick one.
01:42But I'm like, I know, I don't think they run casting.
01:43But the difference is you could.
01:45You could come back with Tamara.
01:46Yeah, for sure.
01:47That's the whole reason I came back this season.
01:49Like, if I couldn't, then I wouldn't have agreed to come back this season.
01:52You know, and again, I came into the season with the hopes that there could be some movement
01:56for it.
01:57But that doesn't mean that the past issues or trauma wasn't going to be addressed at some point.
02:02But I think this season was your purge.
02:04Which, you guys got to get out years and years.
02:07True, I feel like that too.
02:07It is true.
02:08I feel like that too.
02:08Because I feel like now I kind of feel like, okay, got it out.
02:11We got it out.
02:12We brawled it out.
02:13Now let's go to the next level and just see if maybe we can come back to a good place.
02:16There were so many pain points between the two of them.
02:19Yes, there really was.
02:19That there was no sweeping that under the rug.
02:22Honestly, they had to get it out.
02:23You had to.
02:23And also, we see her now friends again with Vicky.
02:26So, like, I feel Tamara maybe isn't possible.
02:28And, by the way, at the beginning of the season, she had said, I will never be friends with Vicky again.
02:33I'd rather be friends with Gretchen.
02:35So, look at how quickly it changed.
02:36Nobody should have to go through that again.
02:39You know, it's just a situation where we're two people that cannot be in the same room.
02:43I've tried to move on with her the whole half of the season.
02:46I tried to move on.
02:47And it was one story and lie about me after another.
02:51And I just don't feel like there's any room on the show for somebody like that.
02:54I think that you have to be open and honest and not blame other things on other people or create lies.
03:01And I just, it's not for me.
03:03I think we're getting closer as a group of women who are girlfriends.
03:08We had an event where we all sat outside and Tamara got offended because we all said collectively as your friends, you're the one we trust the least.
03:15And it was like, just take a look in the mirror and let's start taking an accountability.
03:19So, I feel like as a group of people who do care about each other, girlfriends, we're starting to hold accountability.
03:25And I think we're starting to say, Tamara, no more Tamara, Tamara-ing.
03:29Like, she's great at the petty stuff, but let's leave it petty.
03:32Let's leave it petty.
03:34Are you, because you are so close with Tamara, are you, how do you feel about Katie these days?
03:38Because Katie and Tamara have linked up and they're a dynamic duo.
03:42And I know that you and Katie were kind of on shaky ground a little bit.
03:46Well, I, Katie and I have made up.
03:48I mean, yeah, and, and I, I mean, this is kind of where, how it happened is, um, they had that shindig, the, uh, watch party a week and a half, last week.
03:59God, that's, see, that's, I'm like, I can't even, I don't even know the last time I, I drank a glass of milk.
04:05Anyway, it's like, so, so they have this watch party and I just texted Katie and I said, I'm, you know, I'm coming to support Tamara.
04:12She obviously invited me and I just want you to know I'm here to support you.
04:15So I, I still don't agree with her on her lie about me because I did hear the audio, but I'm willing to, as an adult woman to squash it.
04:23It is not going to kill anybody in our family, any of our family members to disagree on this and agree to just disagree.
04:29But, I, it's like, let's just move on.
04:32I do think Katie got caught lying about too many things and I think she has tried to grow and learn from that because I, I don't think she really did it with a bad heart is my thing.
04:44I think she got caught up in the experience of being a housewife.
04:46I think she still is a little, but she's getting better at it.
04:49She's learning.
04:50She's learning.
04:50I do think she has a good heart.
04:52I think she is well intentioned and I think that she also was trying to protect Gretchen and that's where some of her lies.
04:59For that lie.
05:00There's no excuse for the lie she's saying about me.
05:02You already admitted you recorded it.
05:04You already know you told me about it.
05:05What's the big deal about just saying, yeah, I played it for who the F cares?
05:08Right.
05:09Who cares?
05:10Because wouldn't you play something for your friend?
05:12We were literally just sitting there.
05:14It wasn't even a big deal at the time and who knew that a year and a half later it was going to come out on television and be this big of a blow up.
05:20But then it's also one of those things where it's not lying about my kids.
05:24It's not lying about my husband.
05:25It's just a lying about a stupid audio.
05:26Okay, fine.
05:28I'm not.
05:28But I also, here's the other thing I've said before.
05:32I don't think that just because you have made a mistake and lied about that, that you're lying about everything.
05:37I don't believe the lie detector test that she failed at all.
05:40Don't believe that.
05:41I don't believe that.
05:43I believe, 100% believe, that Gretchen said at the restaurant that she was roofied and gave Katie that story without knowing she was going to go back on the show and she was going to get caught.
05:55We chatted with Alexis Bellino for Page Six Radio and she said that y'all made up.
06:00What's the tea behind that story?
06:03It seems like you're confused.
06:05No, no, no.
06:06I'm just, I, I, oh shit.
06:09You're processing.
06:10Processing.
06:10We, she, um, Tamra and I hosted a watch party together.
06:12Okay.
06:13And she came to it and we hugged it out.
06:15We haven't spoken about what happened.
06:16Okay.
06:17But we hugged it out and, and listen, it's stupid, petty sh** that we can move on from.
06:22Okay, good, good.
06:23She's a very nice person.
06:24To her core, she's a sweet, sweet person.
06:26We were talking to Alexis, she said her and Katie made up too.
06:29Oh, I, I didn't, I didn't know.
06:31How do we feel about that development, Alexis and Katie making up?
06:35I don't even feel any way.
06:36They're, I mean, Alexis is a great girl.
06:38Katie's a great girl.
06:39I'm not surprised that they would make up.
06:41I love to hear you say that Katie is a great girl.
06:44Has there been movement in the dynamics with Katie between the two of y'all?
06:47You know what's weird for, for both Jen and I, we always loved Katie.
06:51Like, if you remember, like we were hanging out and we were like a trio and we loved her.
06:56So it was really hard on us to lose that friendship and it was really sad how it all went down.
07:02But everybody thinks it went down over a lie detector test and me choosing you.
07:05It was way, it was everything in, it was like, what's unfortunate, it was everything that unfolded off camera.
07:11So our viewers didn't get to see so much of that.
07:14And you have to remember Katie and I and Gretchen talked all the time.
07:17And there were like so many conversations of Katie, are you like, we've got to talk girl.
07:21Do you want to be in this friend group?
07:22We got to approach this different.
07:24And if you, this is not the way to come in and, and we had all these conversations about it.
07:28And then, and Katie would always do the thing like, you know, Jen, you were there, you know,
07:32and I was getting roped into a lot of things because Katie was looking for like validation and stories.
07:38And so where we all sit today is I think every one of us would say great girl, great family.
07:44The dynamic within the group didn't work out, but I think every one of us would say, we wish her nothing but the best.
07:50From the best, but like from a distance?
07:52From a distance right now.
07:53I mean, we've, I saw her yesterday at the Bravo's.
07:56We gave each other a wave.
07:58We all took a big group cast photo together.
08:00So cordial enough, as cordial as you can be.
08:03I mean, Jen and I are cordial women.
08:05You know what I mean?
08:05Like we're not going to go in and be like, bitch.
08:07That's just not who we are.
08:09We chatted with Gretchen and Jen.
08:11They said they're cordial with you.
08:12And they called you a great girl, a beautiful heart, beautiful family.
08:16Katie, they were gushing over you.
08:17They were literally gushing over you.
08:18They said that you're wonderful.
08:19And they said that they waved at you last night.
08:22You took a photo together.
08:24I thought I just saw a pig.
08:26Are you not buying that?
08:28Stop.
08:29Are you not buying that?
08:30No.
08:31Hi, honey.
08:31You look beautiful.
08:32Oh, we love a love fest with Gertie and Katie.
08:34You look beautiful.
08:35An iconic link-up.
08:36Oh, my God.
08:37My girl.
08:38She's literally been the most supportive person ever.
08:40Ever.
08:41Oh, my God.
08:41Well, Gertie went through it, too, with her castmates this year.
08:43So y'all know about it.
08:44Very similar situations.
08:45We got to stick together.
08:47I know.
08:47I love you.
08:48I love that you're at BravoCon.
08:50I know.
08:50You look beautiful.
08:51Because while a lot of people on the Orange County cast might not be in your corner,
08:54I feel like a lot of the housewives that we've been talking to have been on your side.
08:58Oh, everybody has been so kind.
09:00And I'm going to butcher this with this girl.
09:02Molly.
09:03Oh, yes, yes.
09:04Molly came up to me last night at the Bravos and made me cry.
09:07What'd she say?
09:08I'm not sure if I'm supposed to share this, but I'm sure she's going to be okay.
09:11She said, what happened to you is terrible.
09:14And just know that anyone under the brain knows what happened.
09:17And I believe you.
09:17And I'm here for you.
09:18I mean, she was like, I was like, I know.
09:21It was really nice.
09:21But it's funny that Gretchen and Jen are saying that because they haven't said it to me.
09:26Oh, okay.
09:27What do you think they're waiting for?
09:29For cameras to go back up?
09:30Probably.
09:30Okay, there you go.
09:32Would you entertain revisiting those friendships?
09:35Or do you feel like they're done?
09:37Do you feel burned?
09:38I will with Jen for sure.
09:39Okay, why Jen and not Gretchen?
09:42Well, I mean, it's pretty self-explanatory.
09:44Because I'm not a homophobe?
09:45Okay.
09:46Oh, okay.
09:47So that's what's confusing to me.
09:48It's like, she liked the post, but she didn't.
09:51But she did actually follow some of those accounts.
09:53It's like, I don't know what to think.
09:54I mean, do you have any better insight about it?
09:58Well, the reason things, like she followed, but then she unfollowed.
10:04And there is proof that it was a follow and then it unfollowed.
10:08Gotcha.
10:08So that's one red flag for me.
10:10Right.
10:11Another red flag would be how, I mean, there's just, I don't, I really don't want to get into
10:17this song and dance.
10:18But I will just say, I do think she did, and I do think she, Gretchen, and I do think she
10:26regrets it.
10:26I think that she now got caught.
10:28Yeah.
10:28And unfortunately, if she hadn't got caught, nothing would have happened.
10:31But I think that she got caught and it back, it was horrible for her.
10:36And there, I mean, Bravo is predominantly gay.
10:40Right.
10:40Yeah.
10:41So, so, so, you know, and then I have a child in the LGBTQ plus world.
10:47So it's, I don't want to go off of, um, just that, that mama bear feel.
10:53Right.
10:54For some way.
10:55But I do.
10:56And I just get, I just, it, it really, it ticks me off.
11:00Right.
11:00Um, to where it's sometimes hard for me not to see red.
11:03Yeah.
11:03About that situation.
11:04Oh, totally.
11:05And then also.
11:06I gotta say this.
11:07I like that you are, that's why I asked you first, because I like that you take a step
11:12back and go, but we're here.
11:14And she was nice to you guys.
11:16You're being, you're being objective, which I'd like.
11:18Right.
11:19I mean, like I, I didn't know what to expect because I haven't spent a lot of time with
11:22Gretchen, but she came to our event and she honestly was very lovely.
11:25But then you speaking from your experience and, you know, this mama bear instinct that
11:30you have, I'm like, then I don't, I don't know.
11:32Like it's, it's so tough.
11:33I just also know that there's some other phony things that have happened.
11:36Like one other thing that, that, that makes me upset.
11:39Well, first of all, just knowing that she unfollowed immediately from all these accounts,
11:42you're guilty if you unfollow and there's evidence of this.
11:46Okay.
11:46Yeah.
11:47Not by me, but I do know where the evidence is and where it exists.
11:50So if you follow someone and then you unfollow all of a sudden you're guilty that or feel
11:54guilty.
11:55And then the other part was, you know, she claims that she's not a Republican or this,
12:01that, but she was so excited putting that Trump hat on and you can not deny that video.
12:05But then all of a sudden that she put, that she took the video of, and then all of a sudden
12:09it's deleted and she's trying to claim now that she's a Democrat or, or go flipping the
12:13other side.
12:13I don't know.
12:14It's just, there's just too many things that for me, they don't line up and that's where
12:19I get questioning.
12:21Now, after filming the reunion and watching it play out, Gretchen, do you feel vindicated
12:27or like you were able to clear, clear your name when it came to the social media stuff
12:30that Tamara brought into the finale?
12:32Yes, definitely.
12:33Yes, definitely.
12:34I really do.
12:35And what is your message?
12:36What's your message to your LGBTQ fans who still might believe Tamara?
12:40Oh, you know, here's the thing.
12:42Anybody that knows me, anybody that's been my friend for many, many years, anybody within
12:46the community that you talk to that actually knows who I am, they know that that's not true.
12:51They know where I stand.
12:52They know who I've been my entire life.
12:54I was one of the biggest advocates of the LGBTQ plus community way back when nobody really
12:59was and when nobody really, when it wasn't like the cool thing to do.
13:02So, I, you know what I mean, like way back in the day, like I was one of the very first
13:06Housewives to even have a drag queen on Housewives.
13:09So, I just, for me personally, I think that's why you didn't see a lot of shock out of my
13:14response because I was like, wait, you guys are tagging this on me?
13:18Like, out of all the things you could have said, I'm not the one to tag that on, you know?
13:22The flashbacks kind of speak for themselves.
13:24Yeah, exactly.
13:25And can I say, like going into season 20, this is how we feel.
13:29Can we not do things like that to one another?
13:31Because can I tell you how devastating that was for Gretchen as like in her real life?
13:35That was like so impactful.
13:37She has so much love and that, like, can we not fight about fatty photo and like, you
13:43know, those kind of things?
13:44I feel like let's have more fun and not try to annihilate someone's life.
13:50There you go.
13:51All right.
13:51So, do you believe, do you believe that she posted or liked and followed?
13:56Like, do you?
13:57Some are still liked and commented on.
13:59Oh, God.
13:59I've seen them.
14:00Okay.
14:00So, it's just, it's crazy the different stories that are being told.
14:04I think it's very confusing for the fans, but you truly believe that she is engaging with
14:09that kind of activity on social media.
14:10Yes, I've seen it myself on my phone searching it.
14:12I found it.
14:13What do you make of the argument?
14:14Like, you know, I was the one who had drag queens on the show back in the day and, you
14:18know, she's reminding the viewers of maybe things that Tamara said about flip-flops back
14:22in the day.
14:23Like, what do you make of that argument?
14:24I think that sometimes you can like a person and not like their lifestyle.
14:29Oh.
14:30You know what I mean?
14:31Growing up in the South, I'm familiar with that.
14:33Yep.
14:34Love to sin or hate to sin.
14:35Yeah.
14:35Correct.
14:35And I am not of that mind.
14:38Yeah.
14:38And my household is, we're allies and we don't give a, we don't care who you are, what you
14:42do, what you choose.
14:43We just love who the person is.
14:44And I don't know if you saw, I didn't get to watch the full interview, but Teddy and
14:47Erica went in on Gretchen for that.
14:50Do you see?
14:51Because Erica was like, oh, she thinks she's because she had a drag brawn.
14:54Like, because you know Erica Jane.
14:55She is.
14:55She is.
14:56She's a lot of things.
14:56She is a gay man, basically.
14:57She is a gay man.
14:58So is my music choice, but yes.
15:01Wait, what's on the playlist?
15:02Jade.
15:03All Jade right now.
15:04Really?
15:04Oh, Danny loves Jade.
15:06I love Jade.
15:07She loves Jade.
15:07I put Badam on a song for one of my TikToks and the gays went crazy.
15:10Oh, of course we do.
15:11But it's just my song.
15:12Oh my God.
15:13Okay.
15:13I would say just out of this season, I took a lot of heat because of the lie detector
15:17test.
15:17And I would just say that there was no, that was not a setup.
15:21Right.
15:21Yes.
15:23There was no manipulating that.
15:24There was no reaching out and pre-planning anything.
15:28It was literally just a company came and did the same thing for everybody.
15:33And I had no control over the results.
15:36The results are what they are because of the people who took the test.
15:40Yes.
15:40Not me.
15:41Yes.
15:42Yeah.
15:42What do you make of Emily Simpson very much telling everyone here at BravoCon, anyone who
15:48will listen, it seems, that she is not behind the lie detector test.
15:51She wasn't trying to set you up.
15:52And it almost feels like she's talking a little bit too much about it where she was
15:57maybe.
15:57I mean, what do you, what do you think?
15:58I don't know.
15:59I don't know what to believe.
16:00Well, I heard, I haven't listened to it yet, but I heard that somebody from production
16:04was just on a podcast with Alexis.
16:06Okay.
16:07And confirmed more than once that it was Emily that hired the lie detector.
16:11And I don't know if you saw our recap.
16:12I thought that girl was like, is she from like Juilliard or not even Juilliard, like a
16:15bad acting school?
16:15Cause she was like, the test says that.
16:17I was like, what is happening here?
16:18I know.
16:19She was like, you failed everything.
16:19And I was like, I did, but then everybody failed things, but it only mattered when you
16:23failed it.
16:24Well, isn't that interesting?
16:26So when all this was going down at the lie detector test, I thought everybody was saying
16:31Katie was in and the lie detector test was a hundred percent.
16:34And, and it wasn't until I got home that I got contacted by somebody and I was talking
16:40to a girl that I knew and she goes, and I told her what happened with, you know, the
16:44drugging and all that.
16:45And she goes, Tamara, Gretchen told me that too.
16:50And I went, are you kidding me?
16:54And so I contacted Katie and I said, listen, I said, I think I need to hear your side of
16:58the story.
17:00So I, I met with her.
17:02We filmed, you guys saw a part of it.
17:05You can see all of it.
17:06And then we continued talking and you know, we've, we've developed a friendship, you know,
17:10we were never haters.
17:12I just didn't know if I could trust her.
17:14I thought she was doing some shady.
17:17Everybody's doubting me and Tamara's friendships.
17:19And it's so weird because she was literally there from day one when I got paused.
17:23And I really appreciated that.
17:24For a season 20 with Vicky and Tamara on your side, a lot of these girls have been saying
17:28a lot about you.
17:29Are you in a headspace of you're like, are you in a mood to like, okay, maybe I'll brush
17:33it off and we could start fresh.
17:34Or you're like, no, I need some answers and some apologies.
17:37Well, if I'm asked back, I would like to see who else is asked back first.
17:40Oh, I see.
17:41Well, Emily.
17:42Not as like a threat.
17:43Not as like a curiosity.
17:44Right.
17:44You know, then I can, then I can, then I can go back.
17:47Yeah, figure it out.
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