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00:00A hell of a surprise when you're out walking and you find a dead body.
00:21There is a deceased with a bag, duct tape, rope, and wire ties on the body.
00:27We decided to tow the vehicle with the body in it.
00:32If they open up that door, they're going to lose trace physical evidence that's there.
00:37Witnesses saw a man partially restrained running for his life.
00:42He's running through this trailer park helpless, probably yelling.
00:46Someone is chasing after him.
00:49He said, I'm going to rape and kill your sister and blow up your trailer.
00:53To overpower him, that screams two people to me.
00:57Who could be that devious to do something like this?
01:02How'd this happen?
01:04Richard was a very gentle soul.
01:06He was loved by all.
01:07This isn't something that happens to normal families.
01:11One of the oldest motives in the world is money.
01:14And $500,000 is a powerful motive.
01:18It blows my mind trying to figure out what happened.
01:20This was so evil.
01:30Every crime scene tells a story.
01:37As a death investigator, I rely on the crime scene to speak for the victim.
01:42And if it's disturbed, whether by bystanders, weather, or even carelessness, we risk losing the victim's voice.
01:50I came across a 2002 case out of Las Vegas that shows just how critical scene preservation is to solving a case.
02:00Detective Hardy.
02:03Hello, Barbara.
02:05Ken Hardy.
02:07Great to meet you.
02:08Nice to meet you.
02:09I've heard so much about you.
02:10And I know a lot about you, too.
02:12So thank you so much for sharing your case with me.
02:15Meeting with Detective Ken Hardy out on Las Vegas Boulevard.
02:20A well-experienced detective with a wealth of knowledge.
02:24I never saw this part of Vegas.
02:26No.
02:26Tell me about this area.
02:28We are on the very north part of Las Vegas.
02:31If you were to follow the south, you would be on this trip.
02:35But this area is very tough.
02:38So tell me about that day, what you found.
02:41I mean, we're right here at the spot.
02:42We are right here.
02:43Actually, where your vehicle is, is where we had found the car that morning on January 31st.
02:56I don't want an emergency.
02:57Um, I think I found a dead body.
03:00Okay, where are you?
03:02I am in Comstock Trailer Park.
03:04The trailer park is right behind you next to the car lot.
03:10Yeah.
03:10And the residents were going to the convenience store that's down there.
03:15And he's sitting in a small green car.
03:20He's on the passenger side.
03:21He has a bag over his head, no noose around his neck.
03:23And he's laying back in the passenger side.
03:25All right, I have an officer holding code there, okay?
03:29She stated that she was walking with her friend.
03:34They were walking north towards me this way.
03:39And as they looked over, that's when they saw the body in the car.
03:44A hell of a surprise when you're out walking and you find a dead body.
03:50On arrival, police immediately meet with the 911 callers, Kimberly Eccles and James Walsh,
03:57who, as it turns out, both live in the trailer park, next to where the car was discovered.
04:02So, when I walk up to the vehicle, all four of the doors were unlocked and there were no broken windows.
04:13You could see through the windows a male.
04:16The deceased is in the front passenger seat with a bag over his head, eye slits cut out, duct tape around their neck, a rope around their neck.
04:27There are some sort of plastic zip ties around the, not just the wrists, but around the ankles.
04:35This looks like it's a homicide.
04:38We decided to tow the vehicle with the body in it to the crime lab.
04:44Yeah, so now you want to have a pristine scene, no extraneous contamination of evidence, no gravel, dust, or anything else from outside.
04:54We want a more controlled environment.
04:56The day that Ken Hardy responded to this scene, it's very windy.
05:01Wind, why would that be a problem?
05:03Well, it carries dust.
05:05It carries microbes.
05:06I don't need any extraneous material coming in to contaminate our evidence.
05:12Because we have these strong northwesterly winds that are whipping through the crime scene.
05:18They feel if they open up that door, they're going to lose trace physical evidence that's there.
05:23So, the doors were not open, the windows were not open.
05:27The car was towed in its entirety, just as it was found, to the police forensics lab, where they'd look for evidence in a controlled environment.
05:38Registered owner of that vehicle is identified as a 36-year-old who lives in Las Vegas named Richard Carnot.
05:48He had no criminal history, but had been reported missing in the previous hours by his wife, Suzanne.
05:57The police delivered this terrible news to Suzanne face-to-face.
06:04Understandably, Suzanne was hysterical.
06:07The love of her life had been violently murdered, and the life she knew was no longer.
06:15She said the day prior, he'd left to go to work, as he would every morning, working as a lighting technician for one of the casinos.
06:25By 5 o'clock in the morning, his boss had called Suzanne, asking where Richard was.
06:34Suzanne was concerned, and it started calling him.
06:38She then started calling hospitals, jails, and things like that to try to find out what had happened to Richard.
06:47Eventually, she went to the police.
06:51Suzanne relayed to them that Richard was a great husband, a great father, and she couldn't think of anyone who would have it up for him.
06:59Investigators leave Suzanne to process her grief for now.
07:05Of course you continue to run your investigation.
07:08In this case, that was finding out more about Richard from those who were close to him.
07:12I get a phone call that they found Richard dead, which was, I'm driving, I'm like, oh, I had to pull over.
07:24So I, um, I pull over.
07:34I immediately start making phone calls.
07:37You know, what's going on?
07:38I'm like, how'd this happen?
07:40My mom called me and said she was just sobbing, and so they found Richard's body, and, um, it was like my legs were noodles, and I just, like, I, like, collapsed.
07:56Because this isn't something that happens to normal families.
08:00This is something you see on TV, but not to our family and not to such a great kid.
08:06Richard was my little brother.
08:08We grew up in Southern California.
08:11Richard wasn't the bratty younger brother.
08:13He was just a, a nice kid.
08:17Richard had his cheerfulness.
08:18You saw it in his smile.
08:20And, I mean, everybody just loved him.
08:24After my parents' divorce, my dad moved to Vegas for a job.
08:29And when my brother was an adult, he followed him here for a job.
08:33Richard and I were co-workers at Caesar's Palace for 10-plus years.
08:39He was my best friend.
08:42Richard was a very gentle soul.
08:44He was loved by all.
08:46He had a, a, a awesome smile about him.
08:48He was always happy.
08:50Even when he was in a bad mood, he was a very loyal person.
08:53And people would gravitate to him just because of that.
08:58Suzanne and Richard met four years ago, had a whirlwind courtship, and they married.
09:05Richard and Suzanne had a blended family.
09:08Each came to the relationship with the children from prior relationships.
09:13Richard was happy.
09:14I mean, he, he's living the life of the American dream.
09:17A woman by his side, kids by his side.
09:20He was an amazing dad.
09:21He loved his kids.
09:28While family and friends search for answers, Richard's car arrives at the crime lab.
09:34So, you begin your investigation in the police garage under, you know, good conditions, nice and clean.
09:41A car is a very good environment for a death investigation.
09:47If the windows are all rolled up, we have a nearly pristine death scene with no extraneous material within the car.
09:55Starting inside that car, that's your crime scene.
09:58We're going to process for anything that we believe that the suspect came in contact.
10:02But the plastic bag is a great item of evidence for DNA and fingerprints.
10:08And so, we collect that and send that to the lab for them to test.
10:12The victim is still in the seat while crime scene is doing everything.
10:16So, he's laying to his left, like slumped over, and there's some marks on his face.
10:22There are some scratch marks on the right side of his neck.
10:26At what point do you take the body out of the car?
10:29After crime scene processes the vehicle.
10:32Without disturbing anything, Morgatenn is carrying him to a sterile body bag.
10:37And there, we can get a closer look at the body of this man.
10:41When the victim was removed from the vehicle, we still didn't know what killed him.
10:47There was no breakage of the skull.
10:51There was no fractured bones.
10:53There was no gunshot wounds.
10:55There was no stab wounds.
10:56He wasn't bleeding.
10:59They don't find any external wounds on the victim, other than red marks on the sides of his neck.
11:06And they see petechial hemorrhages in the sclera, the whites of the eyes.
11:10Which means that the blood supply was blocked.
11:15This is characteristic of strangulation.
11:20Strangulation of any kind is a really person that suggests that his killer knew him and had some personal relationship.
11:34It kind of fueled the mystery.
11:36How would this upstanding citizen end up in this situation, strangled in that neighborhood?
11:45A scene like this could be several things.
11:48Is this really a homicide?
11:50Now I've seen cases where suicides would bind themselves as they died.
11:55You know the possibility, autoerotic sex play.
11:59People would cover their heads, wear latex, do all kinds of things.
12:05Did he have a secret life?
12:07Was he up to something that no one else knew about?
12:13Nothing made sense.
12:15Richard was a very reliable person.
12:17He never got into trouble.
12:19He just wouldn't have been into anything weird like that.
12:22Or going to buy drugs.
12:25So how such a good guy end up on the wrong side of town, a victim of a homicide.
12:34With no leads to go on, law enforcement returned to the person who knew Richard best.
12:40His wife.
12:41Everyone's a suspect until they're ruled out.
12:45So, of course, if you have a spouse, you would want to look into that.
12:53He is terrified.
12:55He is being chased.
12:57He had duct tape around his ankles, duct tape around his wrist.
13:01He was yelling for help.
13:04He's alive, but he's bound.
13:07And, shockingly, no one called the police.
13:12They see a whole bunch of emails back and forth between them.
13:15It becomes clear that this is code talk for the murder of Richard.
13:26On January 31st, 2002, Richard Carno was found murdered and left in his car on the side of the road in Las Vegas.
13:37Twelve hours after discovering Richard's body, detectives returned to interview his wife, Suzanne.
13:43Meanwhile, she holds an impromptu press conference with the media gathered outside her front door.
13:50Somebody has to see something.
13:52Somebody has to know something.
13:56She wanted to know who had done this and why they had done this.
14:00Suzanne seems to be showing the world that she's distraught.
14:07I couldn't sleep.
14:08It was very dramatic.
14:10Like, overly dramatic.
14:12Because we always touch your feet at night.
14:15And perhaps she's doing that because she's not distraught at all.
14:19I couldn't find his feet in the bed.
14:21Police are starting to wonder about the relationship between Suzanne and Richard.
14:29After interviewing Suzanne, investigators reach out to Richard's loved ones.
14:34They've got to dig deeper into finding out about the relationship between husband and wife.
14:39Before Suzanne, Richard was married very briefly.
14:44They had a son.
14:46The relationship didn't work out and they split up.
14:50Richard ended up taking his son to a daycare where he had met a lady that was really good at working with Richard's son.
14:58He said glowing things about Suzanne and how wonderful she was.
15:04And a relationship seemed to develop fairly quickly.
15:09It was total, total passion for each other.
15:14I mean, they were two kids in love, so to speak.
15:17At some point, he said that he and Suzanne were going to get married.
15:22I was best man at his wedding.
15:23And shortly after they get married, Richard and Suzanne adopted a little baby.
15:29And he loved his blended family.
15:33Richard talked about how excited that they were to expand their family, and he seemed happy.
15:38He never shared anything concerning about Suzanne.
15:43Friends can't imagine that she'd kill him.
15:46With no evidence that Suzanne's involved, police do keep her on their radar.
15:56But at the same time, they cast a wider net to find out about Richard's possible connection to that trailer park.
16:02At this point, we did a canvas of the trailer park near where the vehicle was found.
16:13We were knocking on doors, trying to talk to anybody that would have seen something.
16:20In the course of their investigation, they find out something bizarre.
16:25They came across more than one witness who had a very disturbing account to share.
16:31In the hours prior to the homicide, witnesses recounted seeing a man, partially restrained, running through the mobile home park.
16:41He had duct tape around his ankles, duct tape around his wrists.
16:47It looked like he was running for his life.
16:49He is terrified.
16:51He is being chased by a man.
16:53But now, the question is, who is this man?
16:59At that point, we're believing that that was Richard Carno.
17:03So we took photographs around the trailer park.
17:08Witnesses confirmed it was Richard Carno.
17:11So he's running through this trailer park, helpless, probably yelling, right?
17:18He's running to try to get away, and the man is chasing after him.
17:25He was yelling for help.
17:28And eventually, the man caught up with Richard.
17:32The other man restrained him with handcuffs and led him back in the direction he came.
17:41The neighbors were not able to identify the man who had chased Richard.
17:47And, shockingly, no one called the police.
17:54This is a rough area town.
17:57It's not uncommon for people not to call the police.
18:01They're afraid that they'll be retaliated against if they say something.
18:05Police continue knocking on doors and talking to people.
18:09And a woman in the trailer park reported that on the day before the discovery of the murder,
18:16she saw a vehicle that didn't belong there.
18:22And it's the same green escort where the murder victim is found.
18:27She complained of the manager.
18:29A man came out, and he tried to settle her down and say,
18:33I'll move the car.
18:36And he said his name was John Brian Ray.
18:40Obviously, the car is significant because it's the victim's car.
18:43He's found in it in the passenger seat.
18:46Somebody else was driving it.
18:47So, they start to ask residents of the trailer park about John Ray.
18:54What they learned about John Ray was he was not a good guy.
18:59John Brian Ray was 36 years old, kind of a drifter, surfing couches at the trailer park.
19:06People in the trailer park said he's very intimidating.
19:09He had a criminal history for assault and had been linked to drugs.
19:15And people who knew him uniformly described him as kind of a thug,
19:20a tough guy who was living on the margins of society.
19:24They find out from people in the trailer park,
19:28John Ray is a dangerous, scary kind of guy.
19:31There's something about John Ray that neighbors fear.
19:34So far, the police have been unable to connect Richard Carno to this trailer park
19:41or anybody that lives there regularly.
19:44So, why was this John Brian Ray character driving Richard Carno's car?
19:50What's his connection to Richard?
19:53Well, it turns out there's a significant one.
19:56John Ray was Suzanne's brother.
20:04Four days after Richard Carno was found dead in his car,
20:14police discover an explosive new lead.
20:17One of the individuals who was near the car in the mobile home park
20:22was the victim's brother-in-law.
20:26That would seem like more than just a coincidence.
20:30So, naturally, with this lead about John Ray,
20:34the police go to Suzanne and say,
20:38we understand your brother is John Brian Ray.
20:43Suzanne tells police her brother didn't like Richard and never did.
20:50I'm not sure why.
20:52If Richard had done something to offend him,
20:55that would be odd because everybody liked Richard.
20:58He never, ever, ever spoke ill of her family.
21:03Ever.
21:05Her parents were very prominent here in town.
21:07They were lawyers.
21:09Her family liked them.
21:10They accepted him as a son-in-law.
21:12But her brother was the black sheep of the family.
21:16Not the pillar of our community.
21:17According to Suzanne, her brother didn't like Richard for kind of strange reasons.
21:25From the brother's perspective, Richard wasn't manly enough.
21:30Because Richard did household chores.
21:33For some reason to John Ray, it was a sign of weakness.
21:37This new information explains the dehumanizing way Richard is found.
21:43The bag over his head, the slits on the eyes,
21:46the way he was just thrown on the side of the road.
21:48It speaks to a deep hatred, but even more, disdain.
21:53So investigators in this case started looking at the physical evidence related to John Brian Ray.
22:06So let's talk evidence.
22:08The stuff crime scene found and removed.
22:11What showed up on that?
22:12They found fibers and hairs, nothing that would indicate that John Ray was inside the vehicle.
22:20And you had bagged the hands, which of course during autopsy were going to scrape under the nails to get biological evidence.
22:27You know, would people fight back?
22:29Yes.
22:30And DNA, anything there?
22:33Nothing to conclusively say, John Ray.
22:36Ken and his squad look for John Ray at the trailer park.
22:44They find out from people in the trailer park that John Ray stays at the trailer of a man named James Walsh.
22:54This kind of piqued the interest of detectives because James Walsh was one of the individuals who discovered the body.
23:02I think I found a dead body.
23:04Okay, where are you at?
23:06I am in contact, trailer park.
23:08So police started to probe further into James Walsh.
23:15Police learned John Ray would occasionally visit James Walsh's trailer.
23:21And the allegation was that they did drugs together, smoked methamphetamine.
23:27We knew that John Ray was the main suspect at this point.
23:32But we did not know whether James Walsh was involved in this.
23:36So now police, they immediately go to interview him.
23:42James Walsh tells police, I do know this John Ray.
23:47He says that Ray and Walsh's father actually worked together and that Ray would sometimes come and stay in the trailer.
23:56When detectives talked to James Walsh about the chase, he appeared nervous.
24:02And now he starts talking and he says, the day before the body is discovered, John Brian Ray arrives at James Walsh's trailer in that light green Ford Escort.
24:16He grabs a blanket and he puts that over the escort and at some point it slips and that's when Walsh is able to see there's somebody in the passenger seat.
24:28He's alive, but he's bound and this is obviously very frightening, very disturbing.
24:37And he asked, you know, who is this person?
24:41John told him that it's my brother-in-law, Richard Carno.
24:46And Ray is very adamant that Walsh is not to say anything to anybody.
24:56And he got real specific.
24:58He said, I'm going to rape and kill your sister and blow up your trailer.
25:02There's not going to be a word said about this.
25:08Walsh says, I was just too scared to tell the police about the threats.
25:12I think the lead detectives on the case thought that James Walsh may have been more involved than what he was saying.
25:25To overpower Richard Carno and get him tied up with zip ties, I mean, how does that work?
25:31That screams two people to me.
25:36Police don't rule out James Walsh as a suspect.
25:39They take his fingerprints to compare to those found at the scene.
25:47But for police at this point, the obvious number one suspect is John Ray.
25:54So, of course, police are anxious to get their hands on John Ray.
25:58And they are ultimately able to locate him.
26:00As John Ray is arrested, the lab results from the plastic bag found over Richard's head come in.
26:10They find a latent print on that bag and now run it through the system.
26:16When they ran that fingerprint, they made a very shocking discovery.
26:21The fingerprint doesn't come back to John Ray.
26:24It comes back to James Walsh.
26:26I'm currently in Las Vegas looking at the homicide case of Richard Carno.
26:40At this point in the investigation, detectives have just arrested their prime suspect, John Ray,
26:47and have now discovered a possible accomplice, James Walsh.
26:51So, on the black plastic bag, there was a fingerprint that was recovered.
27:03And that fingerprint came back to a James Walsh.
27:07All right. So, possible accomplice in there.
27:12There was a roll of black bags from inside James Walsh's trailer,
27:20similar to the one found on the victim.
27:24And that's how he explains his print being on there.
27:27Yeah.
27:28So, it makes sense that his fingerprint was found on that bag because John Ray could have taken that bag from the roll.
27:36But this information is enough to shake up James Walsh, who, as it turns out, knows a lot more than he initially let on.
27:45He proceeded to tell them a rather remarkable account.
27:48On a prior occasion, John Ray was at James Walsh's trailer, and John Ray just blurts out,
27:57hey, I'm going to do a murder for hire.
28:00I'm going to get paid $50,000.
28:05John Ray said that his sister, Suzanne, was paying him to kill Richard.
28:13So, Suzanne Carno allegedly masterminded the killing of her husband, according to our prime suspect, her brother, John Ray.
28:26So, now, for Suzanne, what we're starting to see is that this image may not be the real Suzanne.
28:34Her relationship to Richard, her true feelings towards him, may not be what she's showing the world.
28:43Now, police are suspicious of her.
28:47They find out in the weeks after the Richard's murder, Suzanne's behavior had caught the attention of his friends and family.
28:57When we came out here for the funeral, my sister and I went over to Suzanne's house, and we wanted to check on the kids.
29:05Suzanne's behavior was very strange.
29:08Her tone of voice, her body language, she would say the same things over and over, almost as if they were practiced.
29:17There was nothing about her that I felt was genuine.
29:21And then, at the funeral, she did some weird things.
29:30There was an open casket.
29:32Richard and Suzanne had adopted this baby, and so Suzanne took the baby, and she put him on Richard's chest.
29:38And everybody sitting in the chairs at the viewing were looking at each other like, this is, this is crazy.
29:49It was just unbelievable.
29:51I'm looking at her going, are you doing this?
29:55She was just behaving in ways that didn't seem like a normal grieving widow.
30:00I don't know that there's a playbook on what they should all look like, but it was strange.
30:04Suzanne Carno was now falling under a cloud of suspicion.
30:13Why would Richard's seemingly loving wife of three years want him dead?
30:18Investigators dig deeper into Suzanne's relationship with Richard.
30:22One of the very critical facts that came out was that the couple was in very deep financial debt.
30:35Suzanne Carno had racked up tens of thousands of dollars of debt on her credit cards.
30:41After they were married, Suzanne no longer worked.
30:45So Richard started working overtime to cover debt.
30:48And then Suzanne wanted another kid, and they went heavy in debt trying to adopt a child.
30:57That was weighing heavier on Richard.
31:00They were at that level of sinking in debt, and Suzanne was taking control of his life and making his decisions for him,
31:08and it started making him unhappy.
31:12He had even thought about getting divorced.
31:14So this is very important information.
31:21Could this crime be financially motivated?
31:25Now, something you want to look at is the digital evidence from the suspect.
31:30They get a warrant for Suzanne's phone and for her computer,
31:34and oddly enough, they don't see anything.
31:38She's completely clean.
31:39But her dumb, dumb brother didn't do the same thing.
31:44They look on John's computer, and they see a whole bunch of emails back and forth between him and his sister
31:49about some bookcase that he was going to build for $50.
31:53But it becomes clear to the investigators that it's not about the bookcase.
31:57This is code talk for the murder of Richard.
32:01The bookcase equals the murder of Richard, and $50 was actually $50,000 she was going to pay him.
32:08The police started digging further, and very surprised to find out that Richard and Suzanne had taken out $500,000 in life insurance policy
32:21not too long before his death.
32:24So the motive to kill Richard, it was about money.
32:30As the investigation into the murder of Richard Carno heats up, police uncover a bombshell piece of information.
32:47The victim's wife, Suzanne, well, she stood to inherit $500,000 in life insurance if Richard was dead.
32:54One of the oldest motives in the world is money, and Suzanne stands to gain a half a million dollars,
33:02huge money for someone that's in debt, and whose brother has said he was going to get $50,000 to do the hit.
33:11So after building a solid case against her, investigators arrest and charge Suzanne Carno with the murder of her husband, Richard.
33:24I was driving, and I got a phone call from a friend, and he goes, Suzanne is a suspect.
33:31I go, what?
33:32I mean, I had to pull over again and digest that.
33:36So.
33:37Whew.
33:40Whew.
33:41Sorry.
33:42Sorry.
33:46So.
33:49I just stopped, and then I just stood back and watched it all unfold.
33:53You can't help but conclude that this is a psychopathic behavior of violence for money,
34:02and you have a very dangerous individual on your hands.
34:08We knew that something was strange about her,
34:10but what you never think at the time is that she could be that devious to do something like this.
34:16With John Ray and Suzanne Carno under arrest,
34:21police turn their attention back to the one person who may have been an accomplice,
34:26James Walsh.
34:29So naturally, the police have not forgotten about the bag over Richard's head with James Walsh's fingerprint on it.
34:36Walsh tells police that Ray asked him for a bag, and Walsh gave it to him.
34:42Whether he knew what the purpose of that bag was, maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
34:48Ultimately, there was not enough evidence to charge James Walsh as being involved with the murder.
34:57Police conclude that James Walsh was likely a witness who should have done something but didn't,
35:04and that John Ray was the person who orchestrated this and carried it out.
35:09And the police also recognized that James Walsh would be a very important witness.
35:14If they could get him to testify, John Ray would be in big trouble.
35:24The year after the murder, John Ray and Suzanne were on trial.
35:28This was such a big story in Vegas at the time,
35:32and so there were TV cameras all over, and it was definitely very surreal.
35:40In this case, we have two defendants.
35:42The cases were tried together in a single trial instead of separately.
35:46And the brother and sister bond didn't survive the trial process
35:51because both were trying to implicate the other.
35:53Each of their defense attorneys was trying to point fingers at the other one
36:00so that there would be some sort of reasonable doubt
36:02where the district attorney was saying, it's both of them.
36:07They were making that case for conspiracy.
36:10James Walsh becomes a key witness to help the jury understand the story
36:15of how it was that Richard came to be murdered.
36:18The theory is that Richard Carno had gone to work early the morning on January 30th
36:29and is abducted by John Ray in his vehicle.
36:35We have no idea how Richard would have been overtaken by John Ray
36:39unless he had some sort of a weapon that he was threatened with
36:43and ultimately held him hostage for 18 hours
36:49until he was killed and left in the vehicle on Las Vegas Boulevard.
36:58I covered the trial, and one of the takeaways that I had
37:02was how completely emotionless and stoic John Ray was.
37:07He just came across as a very cold-hearted person.
37:10And then there was Suzanne Carno, who was the exact opposite, a drama queen.
37:17You watch these things as a family member,
37:19and even though John Brian Ray is the one who actually committed the murder,
37:24I felt more betrayed by her.
37:27I sat in the courtroom in disbelief.
37:30I can't believe that it even happened.
37:33This case is one of the tough cases that go to trial.
37:37In a case like this, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence.
37:41Now, it's a myth that you can't convict with circumstantial evidence.
37:44You can.
37:46But the jury has to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.
37:52So the jury deliberated for a short time.
37:55When we get noticed that the jury has come back,
37:59after everything we'd seen in the courtroom
38:03and what everybody knew had happened,
38:06we were terrified.
38:07We wouldn't have our brother.
38:09She'd get the money, and she would get away with it.
38:12As John Ray and Suzanne Carno stand trial for the murder of Richard Carno,
38:24the family braces themselves for the jury's verdict.
38:31Howard came back and sat right between my sister and I,
38:35and I just remember we were both hanging onto his arms.
38:38Like, what could happen here?
38:40The jury convicted both of them of murder.
38:50When they issued the first verdict guilty,
38:54I heard my Uncle John in the row behind me go,
38:56yes, because we knew she wasn't getting away with it.
39:00He wasn't getting away with it.
39:02And there would be some justice.
39:05Suzanne Carno, along with John Ray,
39:09agreed to waive all their appeals,
39:12and Suzanne Carno did not get any of the insurance money,
39:16and she is in prison along with John Ray.
39:20It did pay out.
39:21Baby Jack got half, and Richard's son got the other half.
39:24The DA made a deal with Suzanne and her brother
39:28for 40 years with the possibility of parole versus the death sentence.
39:35And so they accepted that.
39:39They were in their mid-30s when they went in,
39:41so they'll be late 70s, 80s when they get out,
39:44if they ever get out.
39:46As a death investigator,
39:53it really hits home for me
39:55the way the police perfectly handled that crime scene,
39:58keeping it sealed,
40:00not letting any external elements contaminate the scene,
40:04which gave them the absolute best chance
40:08of preserving all the evidence in the case,
40:11which, of course, led to a very satisfying conviction.
40:15$500,000 is a powerful motive,
40:23but in looking at this case,
40:25there's something much darker, much more vicious,
40:29and there's something in Suzanne
40:31that other people to her are objects for her to use.
40:37She used her brother.
40:38She used Richard.
40:40She used the general public.
40:43Her need for attention,
40:44and tragically, Richard Carno pays the price.
40:53It blows my mind to look back
40:56and see that Suzanne and her brother are so evil.
41:02I didn't harbor ill feelings towards him
41:04as much as I did her.
41:06She's the mastermind.
41:07My hatred, and I hate to use that word,
41:10my hatred is for her.
41:12I think whenever you lose somebody before their time,
41:18there's that grief.
41:20This was a wonderful person who lived 36 beautiful years on this planet
41:26and impacted a lot of people.
41:29Our family, we don't focus on the death.
41:32We focus on the life.
41:33I think about Richard all the time.
41:37I look at him and I go,
41:38this poor man lost his whole life.
41:41His life was in front of him,
41:43and these people took his life.
41:45That hurts me the most.
41:48So keeping Richard alive for me is
41:50staying in contact with his son.
41:53I get to live Richard through his son.
41:56He's a good kid.
41:57He's a father of two.
42:00And, um, so yeah.
42:08Sorry.
42:09You know, seeing his family, you know,
42:11and like I told his son,
42:13your dad would be proud of you.
42:23You know,
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