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CTP (S3ENovSpecial3) A Constitutional Call: Free Will, Debate, And Duty
We explore what “We the People” really means, why constitutional literacy matters, and how honest debate sharpens public life. Michaela Cox shares her path to TEDx and a multi-book series, connecting history, incentives, and the hard work of informed citizenship.
• Michaela’s Texas–Louisiana roots and path to authorship
• Why TEDx and writing to build influence and clarity
• The aim of We the People Are as a constitutional series
• Sports-rule analogy for civic understanding
• Article V and why amendments are intentionally hard
• Property, incentives, and lessons from early colonies
• Free speech, media incentives, and balanced debate
• Outcomes over intentions in public policy
We explore what “We the People” really means, why constitutional literacy matters, and how honest debate sharpens public life. Michaela Cox shares her path to TEDx and a multi-book series, connecting history, incentives, and the hard work of informed citizenship.
• Michaela’s Texas–Louisiana roots and path to authorship
• Why TEDx and writing to build influence and clarity
• The aim of We the People Are as a constitutional series
• Sports-rule analogy for civic understanding
• Article V and why amendments are intentionally hard
• Property, incentives, and lessons from early colonies
• Free speech, media incentives, and balanced debate
• Outcomes over intentions in public policy
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00:00Hello, welcome to another episode of Firstitutionalist Podcast. I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard. That's L-E-N-A-R-D. It looks French. It's not. It's Leonard without an O.
00:16Thank you for tuning in as Graham Norton used to stay on his show. Let's get on with the show. Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Firstitutionalist Politics. I am Joseph M. Leonard. Joining me today is Michaela Cox, and she's involved with a project, a series. She's also a TEDx speaker.
00:44We the people are, question mark. But before we get to any of that, let's do the quintessential first question. Who the hell is Michaela, right? Where were you born? Where were you raised? Where are you now? How much time did you spend in prison and for what offense?
01:07No, I don't know. Some people might wonder if I had. No, I'm kidding.
01:14You look like a criminal. It's just a joke. Just a joke, people. Just a joke. Lighten up.
01:23For anyone that can see this, I'm obviously a redhead, so I'm a Southern Texas girl. So I was born in Houston, Texas.
01:31And I moved from Texas in 88 when I was a kid with my parents to Louisiana. I lived in Louisiana to 2007, went north for 10 years with my husband at the time, and then had to move back in 2017 back to Louisiana.
01:44Louisiana was not what I thought the plan was going to be, but that is what it is, as it may be.
01:50And I'm figuring things out living down here again in the South, which I love the South.
01:55I just...
01:55I don't detect any particular regional dialect, though, because you've moved around enough that...
02:04Oh, y'all. I go to East Texas, and my friends know when I come back, and they're like, you went to East Texas, didn't you? I can pick it up quite easily, so...
02:12So you fall back to old habits when you go back to Texas?
02:18Yeah. Yeah. I live here with my two kids and doing life, enjoying the summertime, and so, you know.
02:26Yeah. Yeah. I'm here in Michigan. I'm not fond of the winters, but...
02:32No, I'm not either. I...
02:34That was the one thing I didn't like about up north. I can't... I'm too southern for all that winter crap. I'm like, I can't do this.
02:41Yeah, but I choose to stay. I... I would prefer to be living in, like, Vegas.
02:48Yeah.
02:48It does get cold. People don't realize if they've never visited Vegas. I used to vacation there a lot.
02:55It does get cold in the winter. You don't realize, you know, the dry heat matters, and at night, it does get cold when that sun goes down.
03:06Vegas itself stays a little warmer, because it's kind of in a skillet. I always joke they should change the name from Clark County to Skillet County, because you got that cook effect from all the surrounding mountains.
03:24They probably can fry an egg or scramble an egg in the concrete like you can in Houston, so...
03:29Yeah. Oh, definitely in the summer. And I've been in Vegas in November. Wonderful. But, yeah, it gets cool at night. I've been in Vegas in July also. And, oh, no relief from the heat, except to be in the casinos.
03:47Yeah. It's hot in Louisiana, too, but we have the double whammy of the humidity. That's ridiculous.
03:54The humidity... People don't understand Michigan has a whole lot of humidity, too, because way back when Michigan was mostly swamp, like Florida, parts drained.
04:10Yeah. We drained most of Michigan. We got a bunch of lakes still, so we still have that high humidity.
04:18At any rate, let's talk about how you got into TEDxing first. Let's go there.
04:27I wanted to. I heard about it. It was a great way to get social credibility, and I thought that it would be a way to leverage, influence, and impact kind of a one-and-done, but then have a bigger stage to do it in one fell swoop. So I sought it out and went for it.
04:42Yeah, it makes sense. I've not sought to do that. I'm a former IT guy. I could do IT TEDxs. Also, as an author, one of my books is How to Write a Book Again at Publish Hints, Tips and Techniques to help others write, so I could do a TEDx on that.
05:03But I've never gotten around to looking into it. So where did this We the People Are question come into being?
05:14Well, I'm an author, and I have written 14 books, and I'm writing one right now and many more to go in my six series that I'm building out, including probably two more series that will be added to that.
05:24It's what I've always done. It's who I am. It's what I feel drawn to. I've warned my mother when it comes to politics, she gets blamed for this, and she knows it, so I'm not saying anything she hasn't heard.
05:39You're not talking behind her back. She knows.
05:41I grew up with a mom who watched C-SPAN and Capital Gain back in the day and listened to Crossfire and Pat Buchanan. I forget all the guys were on it. I was a kid. I didn't pay attention back then.
05:57Yeah, Alan Keyes, the left-winger, and Pat Buchanan, the right-wing. A show on CNN that actually used to have balance then, unlike now.
06:10Right. And I remember being in Dallas summer of 87, and she had to watch the hearings on the Oliver North Contra, whatever it was called.
06:20El-Ren Contra, yes.
06:22She couldn't leave the house until she got her fill of the hearings.
06:25And then when Thomas Clarence was getting his Senate hearing confirmations, I grew up watching her, watching that.
06:33Okay, I'm going to tell myself a little bit. I was a little bit of an odd duck.
06:37When I was about that same time, actually, probably 86, 87, I'd have to look it up in my book.
06:44We were living in Longview. It's the town, you know, to the east of Dallas on I-20.
06:50But I think it was, there must have been a Supreme Court case going on that dealt with the scope of whether the right to burn the American flag fell within the scope of the First Amendment right of freedom of speech.
07:04Don't even get me started. And I was mad and ticked off, and I had something to say about it.
07:10And my mom said, well, write an editorial.
07:12So I wrote an editorial at eight. I mean, what, when the hell kid does that?
07:18But apparently I do.
07:19So politics, Apple doesn't fall very far from the tree.
07:23In college, I debated between, you know, I was originally in elementary ed.
07:27I switched majors, thank God. Thank you, Lord Jesus, for that protection.
07:30From the stories that, I respect teachers, don't get me wrong, but I hear my friends talk about their teachers.
07:35Wow.
07:36I'm like, yeah, that wasn't going to be for me.
07:38Like, like in law enforcement, like in IT, like in anything, there's good apples, there's bad apples, right?
07:48And so I went, I switched to liberal arts because the thought process was at the time in the education field that if you want to do secondary, you should get specialized in your content and then not worry about being taught how to taught.
08:00You just learn your material.
08:01So I went back and forth between history, English, poli-sci.
08:05I ended up dropping the poli-sci.
08:07Actual core curricula, unlike today.
08:10Yeah, imagine that.
08:12I call it the new core R's.
08:14Radicalism, raunch, and racism through CRT.
08:18Reading, writing, arithmetic, history, all the core R's are all out the window.
08:24They're peddling Colleen Hoover soft core porn instead of To Kill a Mockingbird to talk about equality and the, you know, the Christian value of not bearing false witness and all the moral stuff is how all the immoral stuff is in.
08:43So when I got my master's, I did political science in American government, and I felt like I wanted to write a series about, I do personally have opinions.
08:55I don't know if that's apparent yet.
08:57I do have my own opinions and beliefs, but the purpose, and I know where I stand and I know what I believe, and I will admit I am on paper a Republican conservative, but that's not necessarily because I always agree with the party.
09:10That's just, I want to be able to vote in the primaries because of the way that each law state does their primaries.
09:15Oh, I'm with you there.
09:16Exactly.
09:17I don't wear the red Republican hat always, although I consider myself a Republican.
09:25RINOs and CINOs, conservatives in name only.
09:28I oppose every bit as much as I do the commie, fashy, sociocrats left.
09:34But the way our country does primaries, it's so confusing.
09:37I want to be able to vote what I need to vote in.
09:39And that's a whole other part of academia and that I don't really think is something we want to get into the weeds about today.
09:47But my point is.
09:48But from all this is where we derive we the people are.
09:52Like, I've got a petition at change.org.
09:57Remember the old contract with America?
10:00Oh, yeah.
10:01You know, only partially implemented.
10:03I wrote a new We the People demand list that's available at change.org.
10:10All those things we talked about that we've ignored after Clinton and Gingrich were out of office.
10:18And we've gone back to spendaholics, bankrupting our nation again.
10:24Yeah.
10:25But so I'm a constitutionalist first and foremost.
10:28So the point is, I wanted to write a series explaining what we need to be paying attention to.
10:35I don't care whether someone agrees or disagrees with it.
10:38If you don't understand the Constitution and the fundamental three-word expression that is the cornerstone and crux of that whole document and our way of life and our government, we the people.
10:48If you can't get that and understand the Constitution, then you don't understand what America is supposed to be about.
10:53You don't understand what we're supposed to be protecting and defending.
10:56And if we can't understand what we're supposed to protect and defend, then we don't know what we're supposed to be defending.
11:00And we will lose it because we have a whole point of this show creation.
11:06Restitutionist, biblical community, free will, charity, choice.
11:14We are to want to be our brother's keeper, not worldly bastardization, communism of biblical community words by force and theft and at the barrel of the gun.
11:28Those are two different things.
11:29Jesus was not a socialist communist.
11:33He believed in God gave us free will.
11:37We are to want to do these things, not be forced to do these things.
11:42And the Bible makes the distinction between those who are unable to do things and no obligation to you who are unwilling to bother to do things for yourself.
11:56Right.
11:57Yeah.
11:57Those are important distinctions.
11:58So my point is, I feel like all Americans need to be informed and educated as to what is, okay, I'll use this analogy and I say this a lot.
12:07You play a sport.
12:08I don't care.
12:08Pick one.
12:09Football, be it soccer, be American football, be basketball, be baseball, hockey.
12:12I don't care.
12:14You're not, or tennis or golf or whatever.
12:16Or any other of the ones I can't think of off the top of my head right now.
12:19The list is endless.
12:20But the point is, volleyball, let's throw that in there.
12:22The point is, in any sport that you play, if you don't understand the rules of that game and you walk onto that field or that court or whatever is the area which you play in, the ice or whatever, the baseball diamond, the football field.
12:37If you don't understand the rules of the game of which you are supposed to be playing, you're not going to play it very well and you're going to have a world of problems and it's not going to go your way.
12:46You're not going to be able to win it.
12:47And also, while we're individuals and we try to excel as individuals, short of singles, tennis, and golf, most games are still a team sport and you have to learn to work and cooperate together for a collective.
13:05But again, that's that communist collectivism that is personal, individual, free will coming together collectively for the benefit of ourselves and others in free choice to do so, not forced to do so.
13:25I wanted to create a series that walk the individuals of our country that individually end up collectively creating the we the people so that it's not an issue of whether you agree or not.
13:37It's an issue of you're informed and understand and educated on what this country is supposed to be so that you can know how you are to contribute to the collective individually and collectively we the people so we can preserve, maintain, defend, and protect what we are.
13:52Yeah, like our founders said, right?
13:54We all hang together or we all hang separately.
13:57We have to come together as we the people or, but again, by choice and focusing on things we can agree on.
14:09People didn't learn the lesson.
14:12That's why, back to the core arts, they don't want to teach history in school.
14:18People don't learn from the Bradford Colony, the Communist Compact, the Mayflower Compact was a commonwealth, communist, commune compact, and they all almost starve to death because human nature.
14:36It fails to take into account human nature, and people will get more and more lazy.
14:44And eventually there's not enough people to pull the cart of all the people who are wanting to sit in the cart.
14:52They almost all starve to death.
14:54Bradford had to pivot from communal property to private property ownership, from collectivist rights to personal individual free will choice, biblical community rights.
15:09But we don't teach that.
15:12People know, oh, Mayflower Compact?
15:15Yeah.
15:15It's what America was founded on.
15:17No.
15:18It's failing is what we were founded on.
15:22What Bradford did after it failed is what we're founded on.
15:27So that's how we the people are.
15:30And I did the question mark so that people would think, OK, what is she going to tell us?
15:34What is she going to explain?
15:35Let's explore this because we need to learn and have an understanding and a comprehension of what we need to understand.
15:42And even if you want to change the rules, whether you do or don't, you still have to understand the rules in order to know what you may choose to or not choose to the correct way.
15:50Which is why our founding fathers were wise and smart enough to include, I believe it's Article 5, I get it flip-flopped with 7, but I believe it's Article 5.
15:59You can look it up.
16:00If I messed it up, I apologize.
16:01Article 5, to provide the correct, very carefully, wisely, should not be done lightly or willy-nilly all the time and to be thought through properly through the proper channels that are hard to do,
16:14because it shouldn't be changed every other day, a channel and process for doing so when needed.
16:21And so.
16:22Exactly.
16:23And the constitutional amendment was made hard for a reason, right?
16:29We are a republic, not a mobocracy, not an ineptocracy, not a kleptocracy like the left capes trying to push on us.
16:39We are a republic to make it harder, as you said, so you can't just willy-nilly on a whim change everything overnight.
16:50The mobocracy mentality of two wolves and a sheep voting what's for dinner.
16:57No, the sheep is protected in a minority status.
17:01And when we say minority status, we're not talking skin tone, you morons.
17:09The minority aspect of we the people's voices that can get drowned out by the majority sometimes, or actually the loudest minority that seems like the majority when it's really not, which also can happen.
17:21Especially given today's social media environment and left-wing media, though the smallest voices appear to be so loud, and the majority, and they're not.
17:36Like, you know, not to single out any particular organization or grouping, but 1% of society is trying to wag the dog, as the saying goes.
17:53Yep.
17:53So, that's how I've created the series, and I'm in the middle, well, I was in the middle of writing book two, which is straight up constitutional, and I'll get back to that later this year.
18:03I like you, and I take back you look like a criminal, but it's clear there's a whole lot of people on the left who would like to lock you up as a criminal, and me in the cell next to you, because we talk biblical Judeo-Christian ethos foundations of our nation's truths, the Magna Carta before that, if you don't want to be religious, right?
18:28We are an evolution of a system of governance never before seen on this planet, and as Reagan says, if we lose it here, it's gone again forever.
18:42We're back to the tyranny of kings or fascists or socialists or communists who want their minority controlling the majority, pretending it's a democracy by lying to people and fooling and tricking people into voting for their own tyrannical underpinnings, underminings.
19:07I mean, you're not wrong, as we've seen over, arguably, at least since probably, I don't know if it went far back as 2008, but at least starting in 2012 and 16, I would argue this whole movement of wanting to, what's the word I'm looking for?
19:30You know, what's the word I'm looking for, what's the word I'm looking for?
20:00You're demonizing, so you're not wrong, and them wanting to censor and silence.
20:04Exactly, and it's twisting and warping of language.
20:08I have several pieces I've written on that, right?
20:11They cannot win an argument telling you what they really, truly want to do, what they really, truly want to believe.
20:19They have to lie about it, right?
20:22As Barnum said, a sucker born every minute.
20:25They fool people into voting for their own chains.
20:30Yeah, I agree.
20:33You see it all the time in many different ways.
20:35Yeah, I knew immediately when I saw We the People Are that we were, because I don't demand people be of absolute like mind on this show.
20:49I mean, I've had atheists on my Christian show.
20:53I've had communists on my pro-Constitutionalist show.
21:02You have a right to your opinion.
21:05You don't have a right to your own set of facts, however.
21:08And if you're being honest about what you're wanting and saying you're going to do, okay, you can have that opinion.
21:19You don't get to base your opinion on delusion.
21:23Well, I agree with you, because another thing that's gotten lost, I would say, in more recent years in the great experiment of America and our country and the political system and the formula which we live under, because it is still a great experiment.
21:39And that actually takes me back to another point you were talking about.
21:41People have debated the issue as to whether the Constitution is a living or a dead document.
21:47It's very much living, because it is evolving.
21:50It has the ability.
21:51It allows amendments.
21:53So it is living in that sense.
21:55It is not living in the sense that you get to take, promote the general welfare and warp it into individual welfare checks.
22:09That's not what it was intended.
22:11That's warping and twisting what they meant.
22:15It's not living in that sense.
22:18But it's living in the sense that it has the option to be amended and keep up with current society that long has thankfully surpassed.
22:27Like slavery.
22:29Like Frederick Douglass.
22:31A lot of leftists like to quote an old Frederick Douglass paper about once a slave, always a slave.
22:42That was when he was dumb.
22:45By his own admission, he was ignorant.
22:48When he educated himself, he became a Republican who loved it.
22:54When he understood what the three-fifths clause was really about, limiting power of slaveholders, not promoting it and helping keep it, because slavery was going to end here eventually.
23:08But the great compromise of the Constitution, only way to do it was to allow some slavery for a while and the three-fifths clause to limit the power of slaveholders, not embolden them.
23:24But, again, from that standpoint, yes, a living document, and hence the Republican amendments, 13th, 14th, and 15th, following the Civil War, freeing the slave, and giving more people the right to vote.
23:42That's right, and I like the fact that you do what you do, because, and this is going to be odd, maybe what I bring up next, is part of the biggest thing that makes America great, that we have often forgotten in current times in American and political debate, is we are supposed to be a dialogue.
24:00We are supposed to be in a society that can share and talk about ideas, the back and forth, in a banter or in a discussion forum.
24:09And so some of my favorite things, I don't know if anybody will remember this in the audience, so you having on different guests of opposing views, that's supposed to be what we do.
24:17That's how we came up with the agreements, the compromises, because we talked about the ideas, we hashed them out, we came up with solutions because we wanted to do the best solution, and that can only come from debate and discussion and discourse and dialogue and conversations and have a forum for that.
24:35But today's modern left wants to shut down speech, and that continual twisting and warping of language, so they can lie about what their real intentions are.
24:49Make their agenda go through without much opposition or...
24:53Right. Yeah, we're supposed to be about speech, it's why it's the First Amendment, but it's why the Second is there to back up the First.
25:02Exactly. Thank you. So I've always appreciated forums such as this, or I do watch a lot of news, but some of my favorite ways to digest the news of the day is, back in the day, I don't necessarily always agree with him because he is more liberal, although it could probably be said of him, he is probably an FDR crap more than anything, especially in his older age, is Bill Maher.
25:23I'm not saying I agree with Bill Maher. What I'm saying is, he had a show on ABC back in the day called Politically Incorrect.
25:29Right. But what I appreciated and respected him for doing is, he provided a stage, a place of discussion, a forum, to dialogue and debate.
25:42Yeah.
25:43Pass out the issues, just like on the other side of the spectrum now, when you go to Fox, and I don't get to watch it every day, and I tend to tune in more when things are happening, like during the election, because I am a busy person and have lots of aspects of my life.
25:57But if it was up to me, I would watch it every day. The five, they have a panel discussion where they get past the only shows I watch on Fox are five to five and gut felt because there's balance on those programs.
26:12The comedians on late night TV, why, uh, what's his face? Uh, Colbert is getting canceled is because it's all one sided drivel gut felt.
26:25They're mainly right wing panelists, but they make fun. They make fun at the right. Also at the, all the Chris Christie jokes endlessly about his weight as well as Jumbo fat skirt. Yeah. But yeah, they'll make fun of both sides.
26:47Whereas the other late night show hosts won't do that. And yeah, I don't watch the Fox news programs. I watch OAN and sometimes Newsmax, but Newsmax has also got some people with TDS there.
27:01I want some fairness and balance. I want to explain both sides and why this side, the, I don't care what your attentions are.
27:15I don't give a damn, shut up, show, don't tell, right? You shall be known by your fruits.
27:25You can tell me all day. Your intentions are to help poor people, but when your policy on the left always hurts poor people the most while trying to steal money to give to poor people from people who are successful, your policies are failure.
27:46I don't care what you say. I care what you've done.
27:50Absolutely. So actually the, I support any opportunity that allows for a form for balance debate and discussion and exchange of ideas.
28:01But actually when you create the, I'm getting tongue tied. I'm sorry. I promise I can talk.
28:06Frederick Douglass is once a slave, always a slave while he changed his position.
28:11I almost wonder, I'm maybe not reading the whole context of that statement.
28:15So I don't want to take it out of context.
28:16It actually may have been somewhat prophetic and apropos in the future without him knowing it, because in some ways, some aspects of our culture, maybe not in literal slavery, but in metaphorical slavery, they have found themselves still in chains of their, of the policies of which, like you said, they're the policy.
28:42Voting for our own chains.
28:44Voting for our own chains. Yes.
28:45Right. So.
28:45Yeah.
28:46So in a way you are correct.
28:48What, what.
28:50And I mean no harm by that.
28:52I'm not trying to insult.
28:52No, you're absolutely right.
28:54What Douglass wrote made sense in a different meaning than what he was portraying.
29:04He was indeed genius in that and, but again, the whole point is the left want to take the one piece out of complete context, refusing to talk about his corrections to what he wrote prior.
29:24They want to ignore all that.
29:27So there is something to be said about the metaphorical version of, well, yes, we literally don't have that as an aspect of our society, but there are things, and it could be argued that even sometimes in our Christian lives, that if we're still.
29:41Heck, look at taxation.
29:44We're slaves to the stake in that sense.
29:48We're constantly working and giving how much being stolen from our wealth to redistribute to others.
29:57So yes, in that metaphorical, or as I like to say, I'm far too clever for metaphors.
30:03I use meta sixes.
30:05But I'm pumped.
30:06But yeah, in that metaphorical state, absolutely, it applies.
30:13A more modern, different kind of chains, but we still have them, and a lot of people want to vote for their own chains.
30:24Well, time flew by.
30:27Do you have a website we could drive people to?
30:32I feel like we could have conversations for hours on week.
30:36Oh, it's true with all my guests.
30:38We could talk for three hours, three days, three weeks, three months, then no one would tune in.
30:46Right.
30:47But I would love to continue the conversation if that ever is an opportunity for such a thing.
30:52It's been great, and I've been grateful to be here and appreciate it.
30:55But yes, all of my guests are on Amazon.
30:56Oh, okay.
30:59So mainly people should look for your books via Amazon.
31:04You don't have a MichaelaCox.info.
31:09I do, but right now there seems to be technical issues with it that I haven't figured out yet.
31:14So I've had so much on my plate I haven't addressed yet, so I don't want to send people to it currently until I get it resolved.
31:20I understand, yes.
31:21But as soon as it's up and running, I will be directing people to that.
31:26Yeah, 80% of all books nowadays are basically sold through Amazon, whether you like Bezos or not.
31:34Yeah, Bezos is an asshole, and he's got far too much money.
31:39But that's where most books are sold.
31:42That's where you've got to have your books.
31:44I hope to expand into what's called, in the publishing world, expanded distribution outside of the Amazon bubble at some point.
31:52But I have to learn another website to do that that I hope to be working on later this year.
31:55But right now, that's where it's at, and I'll keep doing the next thing and try and grow it.
32:00So anyway.
32:00Yeah.
32:01All right.
32:01Well, thank you, Michaela Cox.
32:03I didn't say your name enough.
32:05Of course, in the final version of the video, for those looking on BitChute, Brighteon, Dailymotion in France, Rumble, or YouTube,
32:15I do broadcast behind-the-scenes video on those five platforms.
32:22Your name will sprawl on the bottom.
32:24And it's carried mostly, though, on 25-plus audio platforms.
32:29So when the show airs, I can't promise when it will, I will, of course, reach out so you can share it across your social media and all that.
32:40Well, thank you so much for a delightful exchange of ideas.
32:44Yeah.
32:44It was a great discussion.
32:46I loved it.
32:47We could go hours.
32:49But I call it today's Twitter attention span.
32:53Everybody wants the Cliff Notes.
32:55Yep.
32:55Right?
32:56Just, even though the headline, nine times out of ten, is misleading, if details matter, nine paragraphs in the story,
33:08they basically tell you that headline was complete manure to mislead you because people won't read the details.
33:18Yep.
33:18Thank you again, Michaela Cox.
33:21Take care.
33:22God bless.
33:22Great.
33:23Bye-bye.
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