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Seth and Sean talk with Audacy NFL Insider Ross Tucker about the Texans' season-saving win over the Jaguars, and he hassles Sean over using certain words to sound smart.
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00:00it's time for our odyssey nfl insider ross tucker he's on the line right now insider calls
00:05are brought to you by nationwide for your insurance and financial needs
00:09it's a different one this week different one we got a we got a uh a a melange of uh nationwide is
00:19on your side hi ross how are you but i will go back about four words what was that word you just
00:26said melange yeah like a like a potpourri a buffet if you will yeah can you spell it m-e-l-a-n-g-e
00:34melange i went spelling bee style on you i have a question seth in your whole life have you ever
00:41used that word i don't know if i've used it but i've seen it before yeah yeah yeah it was uh have
00:47you ever have you ever been around someone that tried to use it in a sentence you jerk just just
00:54one guy i first i first heard it on seinfeld george costanza used it to describe paella
01:02he said it's a melange of various meats and rice and things like that so i stole that yeah does
01:08that does that help at all that he didn't get it from some snooty book or something that he got it
01:13from seinfeld very funny sitcom in the 90s is that okay that that that definitely helps sean but you
01:19have to understand seth and i went to ivy league schools yeah so we are experts in people that
01:26think that they can sound smart or try to sound smart or sound smarter than other people is that
01:32what you're smelling right now throw out throw out fancy words they'll do it for like they'll do it
01:38seven minutes after this the uh the the uh discussion group is supposed to be over for your class yeah
01:45yeah yeah let me let me impress this grad student with how this my melange of knowledge about this
01:51subject hey you know what's so funny i'm not gonna say who it is but there's like an industry newsletter
01:59i would say i read it is very clear that the person that writes it writes what they write and then they
02:09go back in with a thesaurus and synonyms and try to change every word they can to a potentially
02:17fancier word and and try to make it sound very erudite yeah okay hold up you're gonna sit here i really
02:32want to i really want to talk to the person and be like a bitch yeah i want to talk to him and just be
02:37like hey man you know number one the point of communication is to get across your message
02:45when you use that many fancy words we don't even know what the heck you're saying secondly
02:53and i can speak from experience on this the people that try really hard in life to show you how smart
03:01they are are not smart at all so you're you're you're kind of outing yourself on this one yeah
03:06no that that's tough it's a well it's a because i i'm always torn on that because there's some people
03:11that are just they have vast vocabularies and they just kind of use it they use the appropriate words
03:15that like the exact sometimes the exact right word for a situation is that word but you got to know
03:21your audience and usually if anything like when you're writing something if you're going to use
03:26grammarly you should say hey put this at a ninth grade level uh so it's uh it's easy to consume
03:32and what have you just got taken to task for using melange and the dude comes on and uses erudite
03:37what the hell is that all right ross well let's start in on this level what you think of texan
03:44come back on sunday lots of points and i never i'm glad you know what ross you're the first person
03:51i've ever heard use that word that erudite i thought his pronounce erudite i've only read i've
03:56only read it it's a hypocrite this guy you know what that's another you know what that's so funny
04:01you know what's amazing i'm not sure i've ever used that word before in a sentence yeah see and it
04:10just it came into my head while i was talking about how the guy was writing his article happens
04:17and that's the word that popped in and i went with it and it made sense and i'm proud of myself but now
04:24i kind of like i i pulled a sean you know what i mean yes but um i pulled a real sean um by the way
04:31how about the texans pulling off that comeback you know what's funny is i didn't have any um tv games
04:38so i was watching the game and i actually did the packers eagles last night radio but it's funny
04:44because when i'm watching the texans i obviously think about this interview like i think about
04:50what you guys are going to ask me and so it's 29 10 they're giving up punt return touchdowns
04:58the special teams was horrendous and i'm thinking wow this is going to be an ugly interview with uh
05:05with sean is that it's going to be about what happens at the end of the season for the texans
05:10you know what changes are made like all those were all the they were going to be three and six
05:17those are all the questions that were coming
05:19and then come back in son of a gun you he leads them all the way back to the wind uh horrendous by
05:29the jaguars by the way to lose that type of lead in the fourth quarter i mean they had like
05:34the jaguars were i guess still kind of are very much in the playoff mix you can't lose that game
05:41but it did feel like it felt like it was more good texans than jaguars collapsed to me now you guys can
05:50correct me if i'm wrong but it it felt like more of davis mills got really hot than like an absolute
05:58implosion by the jaguars no i think that's fair and because a lot of those drives were
06:06they weren't fueled by big plays there were really only a couple of big plays on any of those three
06:12touchdown drives um there was a 12 play drive a six play drive and a 14 play drive so i think a
06:19classic combination of the defense has a 19 point lead going into the fourth quarter you're going to
06:24soften up a little bit in your coverages and they didn't expect davis mills to be able to do anything
06:29with it and he did so um yeah i think that's a fair way to put it obviously it's going to be
06:34you jacksonville deserves a lot of criticism for allowing it but it wasn't like a full-blown just
06:40meltdown disaster they just they got outplayed physically for the entire fourth quarter they just
06:47they were they were beat on multiple levels so i don't i don't say this lightly and i'm sure there
06:55are other examples that i just can't think of right now but
06:59and that's obviously still very much an uphill battle i mean when you're battling right now
07:08with the chiefs bills chargers you know ravens stealers for the three wild card spots that is
07:19going to be tough one of the conversations we should have one of these weeks is whether or not
07:27the texans are like the best defense to not make the playoffs or a top five defense to not make the
07:35playoffs when they have it rolling and will anderson and daniel hunter are murdering dudes and stingley
07:43is making some of the sickest plays i've ever seen like they that's really the shame of it is they
07:51have their franchise quarterback still on a rookie contract they have elite players at the positions on
08:02defense where you want to have elite players and they still not might not make the playoffs that
08:09that's a real shame yeah and and that's that's why that's why they've got to get it going offensively
08:15russ ross for sure um and and i'm curious what you think about this coming weekend we're talking to
08:22ross tucker our odyssey nfl insider insider calls brought to you by nationwide for your insurance and
08:28financial needs nationwide is on the side cj stroud's in concussion protocol they play the
08:34titans this weekend in nashville they're they're favored by i think more than a touchdown right now
08:39without even knowing what see got the bills on a thursday night coming up after that and then road
08:46games at indy and at kansas city it's the toughest three game stretch of the season should davis mills
08:52just blanket play right now on sunday even if cj stroud can go
08:58that's an interesting question um they are seven and a half point favorites yeah at the titans i'm
09:06going to take them more than likely in a teaser leg down to minus one and a half on the even money
09:13betting podcast which people should absolutely check out you know a couple different thoughts on that
09:20was there any point when you're watching davis mills in the fourth quarter where i'm not saying
09:27you guys had plenty of time with davis mills and he's not cj stroud and he does not do what cj stroud
09:34did a couple years ago or even in some games the last couple years but man they were moving it really
09:40good with him in the fourth quarter i guess the thought process is do you think cj stroud
09:48will play better against the buffalo bills if he just heals until that thursday nighter or
09:57if he plays against the titan yeah you know you know what i think if he's cleared he plays but i do think
10:06that's sort of a fair question you know i don't know that i have the answer to that i think
10:11it's funny because as a lineman i guarantee all those guys have something going on you know like
10:19an anchor shoulder for alignment i would say you know sit him out sit him out until the thursday
10:28night game for a quarterback i don't know i don't know if it's in cj's best interest and the texans best
10:36interest for him to play the bills after not having played the two previous games yeah yeah and i guess
10:43that that with me a lot of that would just be i i always feel like with quarterbacks there's there's
10:48a little extra residue that you got to burn off of a concussion before you can be functioning at the
10:53mental capacity like the mental level that you need to be at at quarterback versus other positions
10:59and that's a that's where i'm just always you know i guess every situation's individual and you
11:05got to go with it from there the other side of it too ross is there have been a couple times in
11:09texans history where ryan fitzpatrick was benched and watched ryan mallet play and ryan mallet even
11:20though he wasn't you know nearly as intelligent in terms of book smarts as ryan fitzpatrick he had
11:26been in the new england system before and ryan ryan fitzpatrick said after watching a couple games
11:32of ryan mallet operate that oh okay i see what i see the way this is supposed to work and what
11:38o'brien's asking for because ryan mallet was doing a lot of that um better and then i would also say
11:44maybe when when cj was out and he and he watched the way that case keenum operated as a veteran
11:49quarterback out there that sometimes even if you're the better quarterback you can learn something from
11:55watching somebody else operate the system and i think davis mills who had played in a the bill o'brien
12:00system was still tim ellie was the offensive coordinator still okay and davis had some
12:07experience with it the the one difference we noticed i think is that they seem to use pre-snap
12:12motion more effectively when when uh when davis mills was out there and maybe cj and seeing that
12:19gets a feel for like okay we can operate this way and it makes it like davis had one fourth and two
12:26conversion where jalen noel was wide open it is because of some funky pre-snap motion that confused
12:32the defense you know what's funny about that is um the eagles have been i mean last night they didn't
12:41score very many points but they've been having a lot of success with under center plays you know in the
12:49run game play action which is interesting because hurts doesn't like being under center hurts is a lot
12:57more comfortable in the gun because that's what he did in high school that's what he did in college
13:01he likes to be able to stand back there and see the defense and get the ball out of the gun
13:07and so i think there's like always this balance for offensive coaches between doing what they think
13:16is best versus doing what the quarterback likes the most and is most comfortable with
13:22and i think sometimes you almost just have to do the thing that the quarterback doesn't like as much
13:29if that's the better thing to show them like hey this is why we're doing the thing like like we we know
13:37you don't like it as much for whatever your reasons are do it because it works and i think you'll like
13:45how it how it's like it's like like clothes that you don't want to wear you know like oh gosh i don't
13:52know i'm not i'm not gonna wear that and then all of a sudden you're like oh actually i look really
13:56goodness yeah i i should have been wearing this for years yeah so like jalen noel at some point needs
14:02to learn like uh and also i guess that's the hard part too with an offensive coordinator is
14:07having to tell jalen hurts listen you're really not that great of a pure passer okay um i don't know
14:12why i don't know why you don't want to do this thing that's helping you but it's uh uh get over
14:18yourself and i think that same with pre-snap motion at times you know aaron rogers forever like it's
14:23just dude get over yourself all right it doesn't have to be your about your extreme physical ability
14:29all the time it's okay to hit the easy button sometimes yeah a thousand percent um you know
14:38i think like for just the hurt situation he doesn't like having his his back to the defense
14:44yeah and i gotta tell you because when you do a play action pass under center a lot of times your
14:51back is to the defense i have no idea what that would be like but i feel like that'd be pretty
14:56terrifying yeah you know like yes like i i'm not looking at the 11 highly paid trained killers
15:05whose sole job is to hit me as hard as they can like i'm just gonna i'm gonna turn my back to those
15:11guys for a couple seconds here you know uh but then there's other quarterbacks like i'm convinced
15:17when shaw was there they did that every play yeah that's jobs than facing the defense yep yep running
15:25boots and doing all that stuff hey ross we're talking to ross tucker our odyssey nfl insider i
15:29know you got to go before we get you out of here you said you were doing that game last night
15:32between the packers and the eagles for people who missed it there was a very very um polarizing i
15:39guess or controversial play call or decision made by nick seriani at the end of that game the eagles
15:44were leading by three had a fourth in about seven at the packers 35 yard line with less than 30
15:51seconds to go the packers were out of timeouts so he went for it they tried a deep shot and it was
15:57incomplete so the packers got the ball back with like 27 seconds left no timeouts but one or two
16:04plays away from getting into into field goal range although i know it was a windy night last night
16:08um but seriani caught a lot of heat for that it ended the result ended up being fine they won the
16:12game but what were you saying what were you thinking at the time when he made that decision
16:16yeah i i i really felt like there were three options there uh you could argue in favor of any
16:25of them you could kick a field goal you make it now the other team needs a touchdown you're up by six
16:31points as opposed to being able to tie it with a field goal yeah but you know 52 yard is not a chip
16:37shot and if you miss it you're giving them the ball where it's kicked from yeah i don't think the field
16:43goal is a great option then you know you either can punt it and you can take the delay game and and
16:51get back to the 41 and punt it although the packers could decline it there's a pretty decent chance that
16:58it's going to be a touchback yeah and you only get a field position or you can go for it interestingly
17:08the you know what i submitted during the uh during the broadcast i'm actually pretty proud of this
17:14i think they should go with a quick kick oh because nobody was now listen i don't know if
17:21hurts can do a quick kick but he looks like he can nobody would have been deep then so then think
17:28about how many seconds would come off the clock if hurts just dropped back you know three yards
17:34there's a little quick kick so it's not going to go in the end zone and it's going to roll around
17:39you know the the flip side is then you have your offensive lineman down there trying to make the
17:43tackle if keshawn nixon or somebody picks it up i am not as up at arms about the eagles going for it
17:51as others and the reality is errington valentine was not looking back at the football at all if aj brown
17:59made more of an effort to come back to the ball through valentine it's an easy pass interference
18:05call and the eagles get the ball like the five yard line and win the game yeah so um and i and i could
18:11tell by the way by sirianni's reaction on the sideline that he he was not happy that they threw the deep
18:19ball to aj brown yes that was not that was not what he was looking for um i think he maybe he would
18:26have rather they tried to run for it or throw the ball underneath that was not what he wanted that
18:31was that was pretty clear to me and you know he has to really check himself to not make that like
18:37super clear to the galaxy you know yeah um oh i will say this i'm not aware of a team that invests
18:47more time energy and resources into knowing what all the possible game management scenarios are like i
18:59know the guy for the eagles that handles that stuff that's his whole job yeah like that's all he does
19:05and i don't think that there was like an i i guess all you know i wasn't watching the tv broadcast but
19:11all my buddies on my text thread from home because i'm from near philly yeah they're all like this is the
19:17dumbest thing ever just punt it oh my god he's so stupid so i guess aikman must have been saying
19:22they should punt it um i don't think it's as obvious to punt it as aikman does because if you
19:29punt it how much time you're taking off and you're giving the other team the ball whereas they had a
19:34chance to end the game with the ball i i don't have a huge problem with it gotta be real precise if
19:40you're gonna punt it there and put it down inside the 10 for sure uh ross thank you for um for pointing
19:45out my use of the word melange our entire text page is all like five syllable words now on here
19:50hey sean work in the word incandescent with ross right now that's from erwin uh but i feel like
19:56incandescent is like much more common than melange i mean i i i've never i've seen that word in writing
20:08yep i've never heard someone actually use it let alone on the radio let alone you someone said okay
20:16thank you someone said someone said that there was an episode of frazier where they but they said
20:23menage instead and it got a little uncomfortable i guess oh yeah yeah that that reminds me um
20:31i don't know when it might have been before i was dating her but at some point my father-in-law
20:38asked my wife what menage a trois meant
20:41so great that's when we needed to break it down for him on our phone that that's like that's when
20:52we needed a video on a camera on our phone here's what it is pop yeah the question is did she break
20:59it down for him like immediately right there's people like well here's the deal usually you know
21:03you feel somebody out first and then you
21:05i really i really gotta you know i'm gonna like literally text my wife right now hey what did you
21:17say to your dad when he asked you okay i don't remember i thought you said he asked his uh his
21:23mom okay i apologize for insulting her i thought you asked i thought he asked his mother-in-law i didn't
21:29realize he asked his daughter uh no he asked his daughter oh that's tough oh man dude i gotta do a
21:36podcast even money betting yeah yeah get out of here what are you guys doing yeah get out of here ross
21:41we'll do the tag right here while you go see you later ross i thought i was making fun of his
21:47mother-in-law not his actual wife i'm sorry ross if you're still uh if you can still hear
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