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00:00Joe was a traitor. I came very close to being a British myself.
00:15Oh, God!
00:21You're not jealous of the only game. Why?
00:27I am. And have always been.
00:44A traitor.
00:45Oh, God!
00:52I'm so sorry.
00:55It's been tearing me apart. I'm so sorry.
00:59Oh, God.
01:01That's absolutely good for you.
01:03You did brilliant. You did brilliant. You did brilliant.
01:09Hello and welcome to the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked Grand Finale. I'm Ed Gamble and we're going to be unpacking everything from that jaw-dropping last episode with all our finalists.
01:19We're here at the BBC Radio Theatre with a studio audience full of our all-star cast of Celebrity Faithful and Traitors. And how amazing do they all look? You look incredible.
01:29Coming up, Claudia Winkleman is here to finally discuss the show she usually has to avoid talking about.
01:35Kat, Jo, David and Nick will be on this stage to decompress from that unbelievably stressful final day.
01:41And our winner, Alan, will be joining us to tell us what it takes to go all the way.
01:45Get yourself comfy because this is the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked Finale.
01:49What a final episode. I mean, I was so stressed that I am, well, let's just say Celia would have been proud.
01:59We're going to be speaking to the finalists shortly, but first off, I am joined by the fingerless glove-wearing woman who has to avoid talking about.
02:03Kat, Jo, David and Nick will be on this stage to decompress from that unbelievably stressful final day.
02:07And our winner, Alan, will be joining us to tell us what it takes to go all the way.
02:10Get yourself comfy because this is the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked Finale.
02:14What a final episode. I mean, I was so stressed that I am, well, let's just say Celia would have been proud.
02:18The fingerless glove-wearing legend that is Claudia Winkleman.
02:25Claudia. Welcome. Welcome back to Uncloaked. You've just seen that very, very tense finale.
02:31How did you feel watching it back?
02:33Quite emotional. Can I just show everybody my T-shirt?
02:36Absolutely.
02:37There he is.
02:42Because even though obviously I was there, yes, just watching it back,
02:47because I don't watch the other ones back. So, yeah, it was a lot and it's just amazing that our caster hid.
02:52The atmosphere in this room was electric.
02:54Yeah.
02:55I mean, I'm not a football fan, but I'd imagine this is what it feels like to watch England score a big goal.
02:59You see?
03:00It was amazing.
03:01Yeah.
03:02What was it like at the time though? Obviously watching it back is a different experience. What was it like when you were in the room for that endgame?
03:07Well, unbelievable. I mean, my knees were knocking because I'm incredibly nervous. And it is, without sounding like a total tool, it is an absolute privilege to always be in those, at those round tables.
03:21But, yeah, the endgame was quite something. And when the third green pouch went in, and I realised what was happening.
03:28People have seen this now. And I imagine there's already videos going up online of pubs, people watching it, and pints just flying in the air.
03:35It was, because you feel, I feel so protective of them all. You feel for them individually. I love Nick, because all he could just say was, Joe.
03:45And Joe was utterly brilliant. You know, that moment he went, I've worked out who they are. It was like a pull focus. I was like, watch him go.
03:54And then Kat, who was extraordinary throughout, was so brilliant in the turret and the fact they caught, you know, the whole thing is sort of highly emotional.
04:04You gave a speech to them quite early on in the game about how people lie to them all of the time because they're celebrities. I loved that speech.
04:10Do you think that sort of thing makes the game harder for celebrities?
04:14I don't know that it makes it harder for them, but I thought there were two things. One, the traitors were utterly brilliant.
04:23And two, so there was only so much they could do. But it is a hard game. You know, the absolute star of this whole thing is the game is addictive.
04:33It takes over. It's hard for anyone. But what I also love is, because people watch at home sometimes, and sometimes people will say to me, how do they not know?
04:42You don't know. It's very easy when you're watching at home, but when you're sitting there, it is almost impossible.
04:49Now, I know you're very fond of everyone who played the game, but I know you had a particular fondness for one player.
04:54I'm talking about the national treasure that is Celia.
04:56Oh, my gosh.
04:58What is it in particular that draws you to Celia?
05:01She is so twinkly. I've never met anybody that twinkly. I've always loved Celia. So when they said, Celia's taking part, I was like, are you joking? The actual? Or like a tribute?
05:13No, the actual. And I'm not allowed. I have to be like Cruella de Vil, which I find difficult because I just wanted to go, oh, I love your song and you're brilliant.
05:22And so I'm not allowed. I'm just like strict and fluorescent orange. And there was one point when I'm standing next to Celia and just out the corner of my mouth, I thought the producers weren't here.
05:31So I just went, obsessed. And she was like, thank you.
05:38Celia, it's wonderful to hear, you know, how much Claudia loves you, but we want to know, have you got any better at snooping?
05:44No, not really. Really not. I'm just, the thing is that you said you were obsessed after I'd admitted I was two-faced.
05:54That's why we were all obsessed by you, because Celia, well, my other favourite thing that Celia did is she would say, you are dazzling, and then write their name on the board. It was so compelling.
06:05Someone else who didn't make the final, Nico, unfortunately, you went out quite early, but how was it watching that back? Do you think there was some good gameplay in there?
06:12Yeah, I mean, Joe, I was very impressed with. I just can't believe it was bottled at the end, in the final moment. But yeah, it's a very tough game.
06:22I do feel, in a way, like I made it to the final, because I have the same name as Nick. So...
06:29You were there?
06:30Yeah, so, yeah, almost won.
06:34Now, we're going to be hearing from our finalists and our winner quite soon, but first, Claudia, you are the hostess with the mostess.
06:40And thank you so much for entertaining us week after week. And I know you hate this bit. I know you hate the compliments.
06:45Well, you're going to hate this bit even more, because let's have a look at your best bits.
06:49Tiny word of warning, don't relax too much. Tomorrow, the killing spree begins.
06:56This isn't personal, but it is tradition.
06:59I know you're thinking it, so I'm going to say it. They've just dug their own graves.
07:05Nothing like the sound of screaming celebrities.
07:08Stephen Fry's in the water, they got it.
07:11Faithful, you are breaking my heart. You are famous. People lie to you all the time.
07:20I love that show. It's a great jacket. I listened to that particular podcast twice.
07:27What just happened? I just farted, Claudia. But I always own up. I know. I always own up too.
07:37Well done. We'll get you out with the others shortly. No immediate rush.
07:44Come to me! Come on!
07:46Come on!
07:47Come on!
07:48It's Christmas!
07:49Queen!
07:53He did it!
07:55That was better than my wedding day.
07:58Thank you, Claudia.
08:10Iconic as ever. Thank you, Claudia.
08:12We'll be talking to our winner, Alan, soon.
08:14But with me now, I'm thrilled to welcome our four runners-up, Kat, Joe, David and Nick!
08:19Well, we're very excited to have you with us here for this very special finale.
08:29Kat, let's talk about that final round table, because going into it, you and Alan were very confident.
08:34I mean, erring on cocky, would you say?
08:37You were sort of very sure that Joe was on your side.
08:39Yeah, we were. Do you know, I was hoodwinked by Joe.
08:43I did think, I did think that you were going to be the deciding vote.
08:48Because I was like, I knew Nick was going to vote for me and then I knew realistically David would vote for me too.
08:54So then I was like, it's going to be Joe.
08:56And I did think that you were going to go for David and then, and then it was when the conversation on the round table,
09:03it was varied, but then towards the end of the conversation I was like,
09:07mmm, I feel like Joe's going to vote for me and you couldn't look me in the eye.
09:10So that's when I was like, yeah, my time is done. I had a good run.
09:14And then I got dashed.
09:16But even when we were in Scotland speaking, I think you were still under the impression that Joe changed his mind last minute.
09:21How does it feel watching it back and knowing that that was pretty much Joe's plan all along?
09:25I think it's just fabulous television.
09:27I just think it's so funny that me and Alan are like, yeah, yeah, we've got this, we've got this.
09:31And Joe's like, I know it's them two and I'm just going to get it.
09:34I just think it's great telly.
09:36At what point did you start to suspect Kat?
09:38Because I think from our perspective as a viewer, you were sort of, you know, sniffing around some traitors.
09:43But then in that episode eight, you were like, it's Alan and Kat and just blew everyone away.
09:47Yeah, I think I worked it out on day one that it was Jonathan, Kat and Alan.
09:53But I was having so much fun in there.
09:56Yeah.
09:57No, the shield cock ups from Jonathan and Alan, they were the sort of giveaways for me that I was like, hmm, I like shields.
10:07You don't seem to like them as much as me.
10:09Now, Nick, you were suspicious of Kat from, I think, episode five.
10:12Yeah.
10:13But you decided to keep that to yourself.
10:15Yeah.
10:16Which is a very clever plan.
10:17But how do you feel about how the plan played out in the end?
10:20Oh, I think I thought I was being clever and then it all just backfired a little bit.
10:25I think as soon as you, there was one round table where you voted for David that felt just didn't ring true for some reason.
10:31And I thought, and at first I thought it was you and Lucy.
10:34I remember thinking it was you, Lucy and Jonathan.
10:36Yeah.
10:37And I thought you and Lucy were in cahoots.
10:39But that was wrong.
10:40I mean, I was wrong pretty much every single step of the way in every episode, I think.
10:44I don't think that's true at all.
10:45I think there were people that were more wrong than you.
10:47Okay.
10:48And I'm naming no names.
10:51David, next question for you.
10:56What do you think it was about Kat's game that meant that so few people suspected her right up until the end?
11:02Well, I think a number of people did suspect Kat.
11:05But we did this thing where we would suspect somebody, have a conversation with one other person,
11:10and then totally forget that at the round table.
11:13We just kept doing the same thing.
11:16You know, I think we had a conversation, I think episode five, about Kat.
11:20And then we both voted for somebody else at the round table.
11:22So there was not much...
11:23I think you voted for me.
11:25Yeah, I think I was, yeah.
11:26That's what I meant by somebody else.
11:28Kat, the night you go into the turret,
11:31to meet your fellow traitors and you see it's Alan and Jonathan.
11:35How confident are you at that point that you can move through the game as a group of traitors?
11:40I just found it so funny when it was Alan.
11:43I couldn't hold it in.
11:44I think I was really confident because I just thought it was quite a rogue trio.
11:51Like, I really didn't expect it to be me.
11:53And then when Claudia tapped me, I was like, oh my God, what the heck?
11:57So when I saw it was Alan, I was like...
11:59When I saw it was Alan and Jonathan, I was like, I feel like we can get pretty far
12:03because Jonathan's a great talker, as we could see.
12:05He got through so many round tables.
12:07And then Alan, all he had to do was go...
12:10And everyone just went, oh, it's not him.
12:12So it was a fabulous trio.
12:15Well, yeah, one of the big dogs is out the kennel.
12:17Jonathan is with us here.
12:19You seem very pleased that Kat and Alan were your comrades, Jonathan.
12:22Do you think it's the difference in personalities that made you confident about the group?
12:26I think I was just...
12:27I mean, I was just happy to see someone else up there with me.
12:30But, I mean, I know Kat a little bit and I knew how calm she is
12:34and I know how she presents as being very calm.
12:36So I thought that would be useful.
12:38And when Alan came in, I just think, you know, he's so much fun to spend time in.
12:41I mean, looking back now, Alan played a far more kind of tactical game
12:44than I thought he was at the time.
12:46He was far clever with it.
12:47And I knew you were very tactical as well.
12:49And a lot of the time...
12:50I mean, a lot of the time we got there and I'd say, I think we should kill so-and-so.
12:53And they'd both talk me round and we wound up killing someone
12:55who I really thought we shouldn't kill.
12:57But they had a better grasp of the game, I think, really.
13:00Are you happy that it was a Traders win in the end?
13:02Oh, yeah, that's all I really wanted.
13:04I mean, you know...
13:05And that's what I think is probably different about this version of the game
13:07to the regular version,
13:08is that it does become more like the two teams against each other.
13:11But I really wanted to see one of the...
13:13or ideally two of them get through to the end, and you did, of course.
13:16But having watched last week's episode,
13:18there's no way I thought either of you were going to survive.
13:20And for that, I think we do need to thank Nick.
13:22You're very welcome.
13:25Yeah, let's thank him, shall we?
13:30I cannot... I cannot believe.
13:35We'll get to it, Joe. Don't worry, we'll get to it.
13:37You will have your chance to have a say.
13:40The handy P collapse.
13:43It's amazing being in the room with your stare.
13:46It really is unsettling, Joe.
13:47My stare?
13:48Your stare, yeah.
13:49Oh, yeah, the stare?
13:50Yeah, the stare.
13:51It's your face.
13:56How did it feel watching the final back?
13:57Yeah, it was fine.
13:59There's no issues whatsoever.
14:02Me and Nick are right, me and David are right.
14:05Just struggle to make eye contact with them from now on.
14:08I mean, I was sitting in the row in front of you watching that,
14:11and when you saw you get banished, you did shout scumbags at them.
14:16Did I?
14:18No, I didn't mean that, I didn't mean that.
14:21I just couldn't work out.
14:23I don't think until we spoke, I said, what was it?
14:26And it was because I was, like you just said, being polite.
14:31And saying, I wasn't saying sorry to Kat because I was Judas in her,
14:35like you did me.
14:36I was so convinced.
14:38I was saying sorry to Kat because I really liked her
14:41and enjoyed my time together.
14:43I was like, sorry, mate.
14:45What happened?
14:47When Joe and I text each other after we got out of the castle,
14:49he continually refers to me as Judas.
14:51And then occasionally replaces the you with the hearts,
14:55which is quite nice.
14:58You're arguably, Joe, the most accurate traitor hunter.
15:02Because you got Kat and Alan correct.
15:04I mean, you're more on a traitor's safari.
15:06You didn't actually hunt all of the traitors.
15:10And of course, you were the leader of the big dog theory.
15:13I mean, how did you do it?
15:14Because you seem to have all these brilliant theories,
15:16but you couldn't quite convince every one of them.
15:18Well, yeah, they were sort of stolen theories, majority.
15:24I was like, oh, that sounds good.
15:26Yeah, we'll go with that one and then amalgamate one.
15:29And then trying to convince the rest of the players
15:33to get round it was a lot harder than I thought.
15:37Kate, why do you think people latched on to the big dog theory
15:40and not other theories?
15:41For example, the sun-dried tomato theory.
15:44I can't, I can't imagine.
15:45I'm genuinely flabbergasted.
15:52I mean, the sun-dried tomato theory.
15:55It's very, very common in criminal law, the sun-dried tomato theory.
15:59So, yeah, it's weird, isn't it?
16:01David, I want to ask you about that final round table,
16:04because obviously it came to two apiece for you and Kat.
16:08You'd obviously had a lot of suspicion on you throughout the game,
16:11including that incredibly tense round table with Mark.
16:13Yeah, I remember.
16:15Did you think that this was it for you?
16:17Did you think your luck had finally run out?
16:20I was mainly thinking that this was our kind of last chance
16:23to try to get a traitor.
16:24I wasn't really thinking about me getting voted out.
16:27And I had come round to that point by talking to Nick in particular,
16:31thinking it was Kat.
16:33So I was mainly focused on, can we get a traitor?
16:35Joe's grand plan went up in flames, sadly.
16:38Sorry, Joe.
16:39How did you feel in that moment when David and Nick voted for you?
16:42Because you seemed genuinely surprised.
16:44I think you've been amazing throughout the game of putting on a face
16:47and really, really sort of psyching people out a little bit
16:51and maintaining this character.
16:52And you're doing it to me now, and I know what you're doing, Joe.
16:54But in that moment, you seemed to drop everything
16:57and you were genuinely surprised.
16:59I was, it was a combination of, like, gutted.
17:03I was like, oh no, I really, like, this has backfired massively.
17:07What have I got wrong?
17:09And then I just want, I was desperate to get out and go,
17:11right, where's Kat?
17:12I need, like, to see you.
17:14I knew you were a traitor, but I was like, I just need to see you.
17:16I'm sorry I voted you, even though it was a traitor.
17:18It was a traitor.
17:19It was, yeah, it was a surprise, but there's no hard feelings at all,
17:22because ultimately it was just a really, really big, fun game.
17:26You'd said you had some suspicions over Alan.
17:28I did.
17:29And then you didn't vote for him.
17:31You didn't vote to carry on the game.
17:32I didn't vote for Alan once in the whole show, I think.
17:37But going into that endgame, you were like, I've got some suspicion.
17:40And the way the game works,
17:41if no one's saying whether they're traitor or faithful,
17:43the safe thing to do would be to carry the game on.
17:46Yeah.
17:47But you didn't do that.
17:48Can you talk us through the thought process?
17:50I just don't know what I was thinking.
17:53I feel like...
17:55Alan's just very...
17:57Alan is incredibly persuasive,
17:59because he's so relaxed and he is so Alan,
18:01and he's so...
18:03He was just so convincing throughout the whole game,
18:05and I just, I was like, you know what?
18:06I think we've got it.
18:08I think we've now just got that final traitor,
18:10which I believed to be Joe at that point.
18:13How did it feel watching the final back?
18:15It was, I mean, I was sat behind you, so...
18:17I was just an absolute wreck.
18:20It's so great.
18:21It's such great telly.
18:22Can I, big shout out,
18:23I don't know the name of who composes the score,
18:25but the score is absolutely phenomenal.
18:29Because it is so...
18:33It feels like you're watching a Marvel movie or something.
18:35It is just cliffhanger, suspense, release, suspension, tense.
18:39It's absolutely emotions.
18:41And that last, yeah, that last 15, 20 minutes,
18:44I was just clinging onto Joe and shouting,
18:47cat, and...
18:48It was brilliant, Nick.
18:49Me and Nick bumped into each other in town the other day,
18:52and he dragged me down a dark alley.
18:54It was very traitors-esque.
18:56Dragged me down a dark alley and went,
18:57everyone's gonna hate me.
19:00But we don't hate him, do we, at all?
19:01No.
19:03That wasn't everyone, okay.
19:06About 30%.
19:07And then came the time to reveal your identities.
19:12But before we discuss that with our winner, Alan,
19:14I have my own reveal to do.
19:16I've been teasing on Uncloaked about my secret cameo
19:18in the main show,
19:19and I've been telling you at home to watch out for my Easter egg.
19:22Did you spot me?
19:23Well, I can now exclusively reveal where I was hiding.
19:30For me, the only time I saw you ever intimidated in the game, Joe,
19:33do you remember the mission in the cabin?
19:37Mm.
19:38So, as you approach, there's druids lining the path.
19:41Yes.
19:42And then there's one druid in the middle.
19:44They swing your door open and pull you out the car.
19:47Pull me out the car.
19:48You seemed very scared by that guy.
19:49My adrenaline did spike.
19:51Yeah.
19:52And I was like, I'm going for this one.
19:53From what I could tell, the druid wasn't scared of you at all.
19:56And he did really, really well.
19:58He did do really well.
19:59Yeah.
20:00Even though he's not normally a druid.
20:01What's that...
20:03Would you like to tell me...
20:05Yes.
20:06Who was that druid?
20:07Me. I was the druid.
20:08You were that druid?
20:09I was that druid, yeah.
20:10Are you taking the pick?
20:13I was the druid.
20:14I was ready to fill you in.
20:17Because you kept going, you kept going,
20:19Oh, you're just going to touch me, are you?
20:23This is so good.
20:31Yes.
20:32I wasn't the drummer from episode eight.
20:34I was, in fact, a druid.
20:37Nick, you were the other person I dragged from the Land Rover there.
20:40Yeah.
20:41Do you want to...
20:42I mean, we did tell you.
20:43We did film the reveal.
20:44Do you want to tell everyone what happened when I revealed to you that I was the druid?
20:47Well, from memory...
20:48I mean, I knew that it was you right from the start, because I could see your eyes.
20:52And Ed and I were at uni together.
20:55I was slightly after him.
20:56And so I've known Ed for ages.
20:57I was like, well, that's Ed.
21:01I was gutted when you told me.
21:02I was so excited to reveal it to you.
21:04And I knew instantly.
21:05And there was a real, actually, sense of...
21:06I was like, oh, one of my friends is here.
21:09It was really nice.
21:10But, yeah, I mean, I knew it was you instantly.
21:13Well, now's the time you've all been waiting for.
21:15After sweating and worrying he'd be worse than Linda to cold-bloodedly killing his friends,
21:19our winner, Alan, is about to join me.
21:22But first, here's the moment he spoke to me in the castle
21:24just after he pulled the charity prize money from underneath Nick and David's noses.
21:35Hello, how are you?
21:36Oh, the winner.
21:37The winner.
21:43Welcome to Uncloaked, Alan.
21:44Oh, thanks for having me, Ed.
21:46Congratulations, the winner.
21:47I know, still hasn't sunk in.
21:49It's insane, isn't it?
21:50It is insane.
21:51When Claudia initially selected you as a traitor,
21:54did you ever, in your wildest dreams,
21:56see yourself at that endgame and winning the whole of the show?
21:59No, no, no, no, no.
22:01I did not even think I would get this far.
22:03My agent, this is a little exclusive,
22:06had actually booked in things for the second week.
22:09Because he said, Alan, he said,
22:11with your poker face, you'll be out.
22:14Two days in, and I actually believed him.
22:16And that's even before you knew whether you were a traitor or a faithful.
22:19You just assumed, whichever you were, you were going to go out early.
22:22Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:23I mean, I'm like that when I go through customs, I start sweating.
22:25You know, when I go into a newsagent,
22:27it says, no shoplifting.
22:28I'm like, oh, like that.
22:30You know, it's just, I just feel I'm guilty.
22:32And I've got the worst poker face going.
22:35I mean, it's like a tug of war with my face.
22:39That endgame as well felt like the first time that we saw Serious Alan in the game.
22:44Yeah, yeah.
22:45Was that a challenge?
22:46Did you suddenly feel different at that endgame?
22:48I did feel different.
22:49And it's that weird irony, the more missions you do,
22:53the more you spend time with people.
22:56You are like a family and that's cheesy and bleh, but it is true.
23:01Of course, when you see the money behind, I mean,
23:04£87,500 for a charity, that's when, yeah, come on, Alan, stop giggling.
23:10Celia said something lovely to me before I murdered her.
23:14She said, she said, Alan, you're surprising.
23:18You surprised me the way you ran across that bridge.
23:21And I thought, well, that's the best you can do is surprise yourself.
23:26So, yeah.
23:27Alan, are you proud of how well you played the game?
23:29So proud.
23:31Really, really proud.
23:33I found out about myself.
23:35I can be a chameleon.
23:37I can chat to people.
23:39I can lie.
23:40I can, when the pressure's on, I can do it.
23:43When Stephen Fry talks or David talks, I go quiet.
23:47I'm not worthy.
23:48I'm not intelligent.
23:49But maybe sometimes you do need to question, stand up for yourself and go,
23:53actually, I think this.
23:55Yeah.
23:56So, yeah, yeah.
23:57I think, well, I think you winning has absolutely proved that.
24:00Yeah.
24:01Idiots can do well.
24:09The winner of the first UK Celebrity Trailers is Alan Carr.
24:14There it is.
24:27Alan, congratulations again.
24:29What a huge triumph.
24:30Is it fair to say that no one's more shocked than you that you managed to pull this off?
24:33I am so shocked.
24:34It is true what I said.
24:35I had to ring up the woman who was dog-sitting my dogs because I thought I'd be back after
24:39two days.
24:40I said, you've got them for another week.
24:42And it just kept getting more and more and more.
24:44I'm completely surprised.
24:46I don't know how this happened.
24:48I really don't.
24:49Look, and when we were watching it back, you got a big standing ovation right at the end
24:53there.
24:54Oh, I know, I know.
24:55It's so amazing.
24:56I feel, I do feel bad for doing it, but I mean, what can you do?
25:00It's, you know, I mean, I felt bad.
25:02So you played the game and you were incredible at it.
25:04I know, I know, I know.
25:06How did it feel watching the end game back?
25:08Oh God, so emotional.
25:10I mean, me crying as well.
25:12I mean, because I couldn't remember how, because Joe was on to us.
25:17And I couldn't remember how you got voted out.
25:19But then I lied and said you'd told us all to vote for David.
25:22And I'd forgotten I'd lied.
25:24What have I become?
25:27You did quite a lot of lying actually.
25:29I did loads of lying and I started loving it.
25:31I just hope there's not like a murder in my street.
25:34You know what I mean?
25:35I opened the door, hello officer.
25:39I didn't see anything.
25:41Yeah, I mean, it just comes really naturally to me.
25:44I mean, yeah.
25:46Can we talk about your journey from sweaty Alan to serial killer Alan?
25:51Yes, please.
25:52What was the moment that you dried out and thought, I can do this?
25:56Well, it was...
25:58When I killed Paloma...
26:01Oh!
26:03Give me a break.
26:06Because the thing is, when I killed Paloma, yeah, I felt sick inside.
26:11And you've got to remember, it was such a cruel twist to touch someone's face.
26:16Now, you're the only one.
26:17Maybe...
26:18And Jonathan was a traitor.
26:19I couldn't do it.
26:20I mean, if I touched any of these other faces, I'd be sent to HR.
26:23You know, oh, Ruth, hello.
26:26You know, I can't.
26:28So, I...
26:29And then, when she came down for breakfast the next day, I went,
26:32oh, because I felt so sick.
26:33I thought, oh, good.
26:34She hasn't been murdered.
26:35I was so pleased.
26:36Lovely.
26:37And then we go outside.
26:38You're dressed as Queen Victoria.
26:40We then go to a funeral.
26:42I then see one of my best friends put in a coffin and sent off.
26:46I went, this is not going well.
26:48This is not what I wanted, you know.
26:50But then I got a taste for it.
26:52I couldn't stop.
26:53And then after I killed Paloma, then I got all the gays getting...
26:56Because when we killed Tom Daley...
26:58Oh, Grey Alan killing off all the eye candy.
27:02I'm like, hello?
27:04And...
27:05And then...
27:07And then I saw him in the shower soaping himself up.
27:12And I was like, ah!
27:13I killed too soon.
27:15Maybe one more week.
27:17Maybe one more week.
27:18Maybe one more week.
27:22But then you know...
27:25I think it's fair to say, there are a few moments throughout your time
27:28on the show where we might have thought as viewers,
27:30I'm not sure if Alan can pull this off.
27:32One of them was certainly when you had to say,
27:34I am a faithful to everyone.
27:35Oh, my God.
27:36And laughed halfway through.
27:37How do you adjust your game plan after things like that?
27:40And do you adjust your game plan?
27:42Well, I thought I was finished then.
27:45I thought I was finished when I went, I'm faithful!
27:48I thought, oh, that's it.
27:49And then Joe was on to me.
27:51And, yeah, I just sort of gave up, really.
27:54But I'm...
27:55But that's one thing I found out about myself.
27:57I am, like, a bit of a pushover, but when Joe is on to me,
28:02I'm like one of those cats you get in Greece.
28:05You know, those ones that are like...
28:07You go, oh, hello!
28:08You know, you go, oh, hello!
28:12You look quite cat...
28:14Claudia, did you ever doubt Alan's ability to pull this off?
28:18LAUGHTER
28:19Yeah.
28:20LAUGHTER
28:21No, I can say, I hope you don't mind this,
28:24but Alan started as Linda and ended as Harry.
28:27LAUGHTER
28:28He had an extraordinary...
28:30Because at the beginning, when you came up to me,
28:32I can't do it.
28:34And he was like, I'm sweating.
28:36I can't keep a straight face.
28:39But he was absolutely...
28:41A, you're utterly brilliant, incredibly clever,
28:43and totally consistent.
28:45So Alan was Alan.
28:46Alan was Alan.
28:47And if you didn't suspect him from day one, it's Alan.
28:50He can't say I'm a faithful.
28:51He's forgotten he's had a shield.
28:53My favourite Alan moment, almost, was you talking to Celia
28:57and Celia said, can I trust you?
28:59And you went, you can trust me.
29:01And you had snakes all over your top.
29:03LAUGHTER
29:04And I was like...
29:05It's right there, guys.
29:07But it's interesting.
29:08I thought I'm quite happy at the beginning to be a faithful
29:11and then, of course, when you're sitting there
29:13and you've got the blindfold on and you pick,
29:15I mean, I don't know what shoes you're wearing,
29:17but you sounded like a shire horse.
29:22I get a bit flamingo.
29:23And then when you went round and didn't touch me,
29:25there was a little bit like,
29:27oh, OK, I'm going to be a faithful, that's fine.
29:30So I realised, deep inside, I probably did want to be a traitor.
29:33And then, of course, you come round again
29:34and then when you squeeze my shoulders, I was like, oh, my God.
29:36But you were so sweet,
29:37cos those chats where I have with everyone,
29:39they're much longer than you see.
29:41And as I said, there are some people who are just...
29:43Don't even...
29:44Mark, like, I only want to be a faithful.
29:47And many others.
29:49And then you going, did you really say that?
29:52I was like, that...
29:53Literally word for word is what he said.
29:55And you said, yeah, I want to be a traitor
29:57and then burst out laughing.
29:58And we were like, oh, yeah, have fun.
30:00I think if I did have a strategy, I think it was...
30:03Look at me now, now I've won.
30:05I've got a strategy.
30:07I think what I did was I picked one...
30:10I mean, if I was pushed to do a strategy,
30:12like with Claire, I wouldn't let her go about the lever.
30:16And then with Mark, you know, when you get all Braveheart,
30:19I want to win!
30:21Like that.
30:22I said, why are you being all like this?
30:24And then poor old Kate, I was making out,
30:26she was Goldie Hawn.
30:28This dizzy blonde.
30:30I just kept saying to people, why?
30:32Why?
30:33You know, she's a broadcaster.
30:35She's live on the telly every morning.
30:37Why?
30:38That's what I was doing.
30:39I mean, have you seen that brilliant thing on social media?
30:42Kate Garraway repeats everything.
30:44Have you seen it?
30:45Someone's been recruited.
30:47Someone's been recruited!
30:49Sun-dried tomatoes.
30:51Sun-dried tomatoes!
30:53But I think if I had a strategy, I'd just picked one thing
30:57and really went, oh, I don't know about them.
30:59They give me the eebie-jeebies.
31:01I mean, I hate to bang on too much about the Trojan horse mission,
31:04but I do want to chat to you a little bit, Claire.
31:06Are you still kicking yourself for pulling the lever?
31:10Oh, God, yes.
31:11And will do for a very long time.
31:13It was awful.
31:14As Alice, my wife, said to me, for God's sake,
31:15there would have been no-one left on stage.
31:1726?
31:18What were you thinking?
31:19I was like, well, I just thought, start high and come down,
31:21because we'll get more chances.
31:23They're working it out.
31:24Mark and Stephen are working it out.
31:26And I'll just start trying.
31:28And I was conscious of time.
31:30By the way, it makes total sense.
31:32It makes total sense.
31:34You're very sweet.
31:35No, but when you see those kinds of locks,
31:37you know, like a padlock, you have a couple of goes.
31:40That's what you did on the train, in fact.
31:42So it made total sense to me.
31:44No, I still feel really bad about it,
31:46and then I sort of shrank.
31:47But somebody talked to me the other day about it,
31:49and he's a legal advocate.
31:50And he said, although you made the mistake,
31:52at least you did put your hand up straight away
31:54and go, oh, my God, I am so sorry.
31:56And then Charlotte gave her shield up straight away,
31:58for which she didn't get enough credit.
32:00So I'm giving her credit now.
32:01Yes.
32:02And we carried on, and we still won the mission.
32:04So actually, it didn't cost us anything money-wise.
32:07Yeah.
32:08I just looked a major tit.
32:09So I'm happy to take that for the team.
32:11I'll just take the idiot, you know, mantle.
32:13No one thinks that, Clay.
32:15Mark, I've just noticed you're wearing a T-shirt there.
32:18Will you tell us what the T-shirt says?
32:20It says, Jonathan fucking Ross.
32:27I would like to say, I have given him one too.
32:30Oh, right.
32:31As his early Christmas present.
32:32That's brilliant.
32:34We have to talk about that final mission,
32:36because that was amazing.
32:38It looked incredible, the explosion at the end.
32:41Kat, how much did you enjoy that final mission,
32:43your one last chance to get money for the pot?
32:45It was really fun.
32:46I mean, if I'm being honest,
32:48I really probably didn't do anything.
32:50It was mainly Joe.
32:52As I was to, like, grab something,
32:54then I saw the, like,
32:55having to take off the thing off the coffin,
32:57and I was like, mm, that's going to hurt my hands.
32:59That's why you went and did it.
33:00You just sort of did everything,
33:02and I was like, aw, yay, the boys are doing things.
33:04Mm-hmm.
33:06I think my favourite moment of that mission, though,
33:10was Nick dropping the lid on Joe's head repeatedly.
33:15And I just hope you are friends now.
33:17It's a precursor of what was to come, really, I think.
33:19I should have known then.
33:21Three times, mate.
33:23Three times.
33:24It sounds really loud when you watch it back as well.
33:26Oh, it was loud.
33:27I mean, it literally is a wooden,
33:28it was a wooden lid dropping on his head repeatedly.
33:30Yeah.
33:31While we were basically watching the new Chuckle Brothers.
33:33Incredible.
33:36Alan, you forgot you had a shield,
33:38and obviously Joe picked up on this.
33:40Mm.
33:41Joe, why do you think no one else got on board with this?
33:43Because it seemed to be one of the clearest bits of evidence
33:45you had that Alan was a traitor.
33:48Again, a combination of not, like,
33:50really backing myself to convince everyone,
33:53but also I was madly in love with Alan as well.
33:56Like, even when I went after him
33:58and he came back at me like the Greek cat,
34:01I then was like, well, bless.
34:04I was like, mm, okay, fair enough.
34:06So, yeah, I think there might have been something inside me
34:09that was like, I quite like Alan still being in the game.
34:12Because we were duped, weren't we?
34:14He was being really friendly to us, weren't he?
34:16Yeah.
34:17And we were like, we couldn't believe our luck,
34:18because Joe was coming and sitting with us going,
34:20you know, I think it's Mick and Fabian.
34:22We thought we'd won.
34:23And we're like, yeah, Joe, yeah.
34:25Yeah.
34:26High-fiving and all that.
34:27That bit where you went, oh, bless him, as I walked off.
34:30And I've only just seen that.
34:31I went, oh, okay.
34:32I see.
34:33But then when you put Cat on the sleigh, I couldn't,
34:36I mean, that was like a punch in the stomach.
34:39That was, I was like, don't leave me here.
34:41Don't leave me here.
34:42Nick and David, obviously,
34:44neither of you went for Alan in the end.
34:46What is it about Alan Carl
34:48that made you eventually decide he was a faithful?
34:51Alan could have come down to breakfast in a green cloak
34:53and I still wouldn't have thought he was a traitor.
34:56I just thought someone who was a traitor
34:59would look a bit less guilty the whole time.
35:02And you just, Alan was being himself.
35:04And also, you know, it's the thing,
35:06you just made me laugh the whole time.
35:08I was too busy laughing to be suspicious.
35:10I think it's something that, I think,
35:12I think something that Tom said actually really, really early on,
35:17was that comedians or some of the stand-ups
35:21could sort of slightly deflect by...
35:23I said that.
35:24Well, you said that. Sorry, Cat, I apologise.
35:26And it's so true.
35:28And actually, Alan was just being Alan
35:30and it's so hilarious, like inherently hilarious,
35:32that it just completely throwed us off.
35:34Were you worried about the way Alan was acting though, Cat?
35:37Because we saw loads of moments
35:39where you just had to tell him to be quiet.
35:41Yeah, but even at the last, even on the last episode,
35:44just going, please, don't shout.
35:46I was shocked when I was cutting up that lemon
35:48and I watched it on the telly.
35:50What are we going to do, Cat?
35:53I didn't think I was that loud.
35:54I feel like, like, after a few days in
35:57or a few episodes in, I was kind of like,
35:59the best, like, exactly what I said to Nick.
36:02Comedians, the best way to disarm people
36:04is make them laugh.
36:05So people would be suspicious of Alan
36:07and then say something to him
36:08and he'd just make them laugh
36:09and then they'd go, oh, haha, never mind.
36:11So I was like, Alan's never going to get caught
36:13because no one could think that he could do it.
36:15I mean, even with Jonathan going, I did it.
36:18Yeah!
36:19Yeah, by the fire bit, I did it.
36:24Jonathan said, I'm going to have to have a word with him about that.
36:28Alan, that final round table,
36:31when you saw that Joe had switched the vote
36:33that you thought he was going to do
36:35and he voted for Cat,
36:36what are you feeling in that moment?
36:38Oh, I mean, yeah, I was shocked.
36:42Like I said, I thought he was out.
36:44I thought we'd really got him.
36:45And then, yeah, and then I did,
36:47it was like a punch in the summer.
36:49I felt physically sick.
36:51And then I felt so alone because, you know,
36:53we were a great team together.
36:55So, yeah, yeah, it was, really, you did pull the rug for it.
36:59And he'd been so sweet, so lovely and all that.
37:02But did you think you were, like, did you think Nick
37:04was then going to vote against you as well then?
37:07Or did you think...
37:08I didn't really, you know, I just didn't really think.
37:12I don't, I don't know.
37:15It was quite emotional for you at the end though.
37:17We saw you get quite...
37:18Oh, God, I know.
37:19Well, all the lying and all that,
37:20it all just came bubbling up and it was...
37:23Yeah, and then I think, you know, about getting...
37:26But, you know, the charity I picked, I mean, I'm not...
37:29But, you know, listen, the charity I picked
37:32is a really great charity
37:34and I know that that money is going to do them so much good.
37:38Yeah.
37:39So that was there I was thinking about.
37:40All the lovely people I'd murdered.
37:43I felt bad.
37:45And then it all came up.
37:46And then when I saw that green come up,
37:48I was like, oh, my God, then I got the joke like that.
37:52And then I thought, oh, God.
37:53And then, I mean, your reactions when it came out.
37:56Let's remind ourselves of that emotional moment.
37:58Oh.
38:01It's been tearing me apart.
38:02I'm so sorry.
38:05OK.
38:06You did brilliantly, Al.
38:07You did brilliant.
38:08You did brilliant.
38:09You did brilliant.
38:10You did brilliant.
38:11It's a game.
38:12I did brilliantly.
38:13You did brilliant.
38:14It's a game.
38:16And what you didn't see,
38:18I turned into that Greek cat and bit him.
38:21Alan, you said there it was tearing you apart.
38:25It was.
38:26Kat, can I ask you as someone who watched Alan write the murdered player's name every single night on the scroll.
38:32Did you feel like it was tearing him apart?
38:34Well, no, honestly, like walking around that castle, seeing how stressed Alan was all the time.
38:40I was like, how does nobody see that it's this man?
38:43The only one that could kind of see was Claire.
38:45And I was like, if I was a faithful, I would have gone to Claire quite early on and gone, I think the same thing as you, but let's not say anything until a bit later.
38:52Let's round up some numbers.
38:53And I think that's why you ended up like going.
38:55But I just, he was so nervous just throughout.
38:58So when, like, when I saw you cry, I just started crying because I was like, oh, Alan.
39:02I mean, I just wanted to climb inside that suit of armour that's in the hallway.
39:07Just close the thing down and just, do you know what I mean? Just leave me alone, everyone.
39:13What about you, David? In that moment that Alan got emotional, you run over to comfort him. How are you feeling?
39:17Well, it was such a genuine moment. It was just poured out of Alan and it was, it snapped us out of that thing.
39:23You know, this is a game. And the genuine nature of Alan's response just made us, you know, the obvious, the human thing to do was to, you know, give him a hug and say it's a game and you won, you did brilliantly.
39:34Now, Alan, before we go, there's a bit of unfinished business to quote you.
39:38We've heard from Paloma on Uncloaked, but we want to hear how was it murdering your good friend?
39:44It was...
39:47I can't even do it!
39:49It was so awful. It was so awful.
39:52And it's weird because, you know, I love, you know, I'm a fan of her music. I'm a fan of her for ages.
39:57You know, we are friends. We go on each other's podcast.
40:00But yeah, it absolutely really hurt. It really did.
40:04Now, with the nation watching, do you think it's time for an apology? I mean, Paloma sat right there.
40:09I am so sorry. You know I am.
40:13And I want to tell everyone that I'm the father of a child.
40:16It was great.
40:21We had a make-up hug. One thing led to another.
40:26I have been known to turn people.
40:28And it was an enjoyable experience for both of us, I hope.
40:32But I just also want to say that I think observing tonight and going through my whole plethora of hormonal emotions, I feel like that the reason why Alan won and the reason why I was so sad was because we all love him so much.
40:49And I love you so much and I'm so happy that you won because it was bloody worth it then.
40:55Yeah.
40:56But I think that most people didn't vote for you because they're like, how can we vote someone that's so lovable?
41:01And it really concludes that thing.
41:04That you won it.
41:05You hurt me.
41:06And I loved you.
41:07But...
41:08Only love can hurt like that though.
41:09Yeah, only love can hurt like this.
41:10And I just think he won it because everyone loves him and the nation loves him.
41:20And I'm just really happy that he won.
41:23Sorry for rubbing it in by putting your head on the coffin, by the way.
41:26It doesn't look anything like it.
41:30On reflection, how do you think the experience has changed you?
41:33Oh, my God.
41:34I absolutely loved it.
41:37I absolutely loved it.
41:38We spent the whole time, didn't we, laughing.
41:41And it was absolutely joyous.
41:44And honestly, would I do it again?
41:47I was going to say I'd do it again.
41:48I think people would know if I turned up again.
41:51You are.
41:52I don't think that act.
41:53Oh, hello.
41:54Don't mind me.
41:55What am I like?
41:56I don't think it would work a second time.
41:58You would be out before the first round table.
42:00There's no way that's working again.
42:02I know, but it was wonderful.
42:03I loved it.
42:04And the response has just been amazing.
42:06I'm cracking up at all the memes.
42:08And it's just weird.
42:09I've never...
42:10Of all the shows I've done, I've never had anything like this.
42:13You know, people going past on a bike.
42:15Traitor!
42:16Who are you murdering now?
42:18I don't think so.
42:19It has been absolutely amazing.
42:21I recommend it.
42:22It's wonderful.
42:23Well, look, you've been incredible.
42:24We've had iconic line after iconic line.
42:26Particular favourites, Kate Gone Away.
42:29I'm worse than Linda.
42:31You can't suspect someone just because they've got a better vocabulary than you.
42:34What's a knighthood when you're dead?
42:36Oh, God.
42:37And of course, and this is my favourite.
42:42If Kate doesn't come down for breakfast, people would just think she's gone into a broom cupboard by mistake.
42:48You're so right!
42:52And Alan, I'm giving you an opportunity now to right a wrong, to pull something off properly.
42:57Can you look us all in the eye and tell us that you're a faithful, please?
43:07I'm a faithful!
43:09Yes!
43:11Alan Carr!
43:12Thank you so much.
43:21Thanks to all of you.
43:23You've brought us so much entertainment this series.
43:25You've been incredible.
43:26The first series of Celebrity Traitors was absolutely epic.
43:29Massive round of applause, please, for our finalists, Claudia, and the faithful and traitors from this series!
43:34The chat continues in your BBC Sounds bonus episode, where I'll be chatting more to Claudia, Alan, Kat, Joe, David, and Nick.
43:46We'll be hearing about the most surprising friendships in the castle, the players' favourite missions,
43:50and which celebrities were the most different from what they expected.
43:53That's in your BBC Sounds app right now.
43:55Scan the QR code on screen to get your final Celebrity Traitors fix.
43:59If you've watched this and thought you'd be better at catching the traitors, let's be honest, not difficult,
44:03Good news! Casting for Series 5 is open.
44:06Head to bbc.co.uk forward slash take part to apply.
44:10So, there it is.
44:11The end of the first series of Celebrity Traitors.
44:1319 celebs, two murders in plain sight, a lot of screaming down a well, one mysterious druid, and a fart heard around the world.
44:22Thank you for watching this series of Uncloaked.
44:24We'll be back before you know it for Traitors Series 4.
44:26But for now, I'm Ed Gamble.
44:28Stay faithful.
44:34Thank you, Ed Gamble.
44:39Thank you so much.
44:43These doctors, we're here.
44:45They love all parts.
44:46We're here now.
44:48We're here now.
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