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00:00Hello and welcome to the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked, Episode 2.
00:04This is your official Visualize Companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble,
00:07and a truckload of spoilers for the second episode of the new series.
00:11So make sure you've watched it on BBC iPlayer before this.
00:14Coming up, Paloma Faith is here to give us all her reaction to that funeral
00:18and her murder in plain sight.
00:20We have the exclusive Unseen Moment where I reveal to Paloma who the traitors are.
00:25Plus, from Series 3, Faithful Frankie and Traitor Linda are here.
00:30Welcome, Linda and Frankie. Thank you so much for being here.
00:37You're welcome.
00:38Linda, I'm sure you've been asked many times since you've been on the traitors,
00:42but could you give us a quick head tilt?
00:43OK, I'll start from here.
00:45Do you want me to say traitors?
00:46Yes.
00:46Oh, yes, please.
00:48Traitors.
00:51Now I know what it looks like.
00:52I know, because you didn't spot it the first time around.
00:54I was oblivious. Totally oblivious.
00:56How many times a day are you asked to do that, Linda?
01:00Oh, hundreds. Believe me, hundreds.
01:03What's it like for both of you watching a new series of the traitors that you're not in?
01:07I mean, it brings back all those memories when they're sitting around the round table.
01:11But especially watching it with celebrities playing.
01:13Is that quite a weird experience as well?
01:15Yeah, that is actually.
01:16Because we know, well, we don't know them, but we see them a lot on TV, so you sort of know them.
01:22Whereas the other ones, you don't know anybody who's on it.
01:24So, yeah, it's a really different dynamic, I think.
01:27And you have preconceptions of how you think they might be.
01:29Of course.
01:30And then when you start watching it, you're like, oh, that's not how I thought they were going to play it.
01:34So has anyone surprised you so far?
01:36Has anyone surprised you?
01:38Stephen Fry surprised me.
01:40Because I thought he was going to be a traitor.
01:44Right.
01:44And he seems actually really well suited to being a faithful.
01:48I think you're right, yeah.
01:48And I don't know, I saw him as being quite treacherous.
01:51In a nice way.
01:53Treacherous in a nice way.
01:54But just because he's so clever, I thought he could be really, you know, conniving and all that.
01:58And he's actually really suited to being a faithful.
02:00Yeah, I think he wants to be a faithful.
02:02He wants to find out.
02:03He wants to solve the problem.
02:06He wants to investigate.
02:07Yeah.
02:07Well, we will talk more about that.
02:09We'll talk more about the episode.
02:10But Paloma is going to be sat right over there with us.
02:13In mere minutes.
02:14So we'll get into the whole funeral and the murder in plain sight.
02:18But just briefly, what did we make of the banishment cliffhanger?
02:21It looks like it's between Nico, Kate and Tamika.
02:24I fear it might be Kate.
02:27Yeah.
02:27Why do we think it might be Kate?
02:29There just seems to be more heat on her.
02:31And I really felt for her because I sort of saw myself in her position of when I had the heat on,
02:36which didn't happen until a bit later on.
02:38But there's a sort of like that kind of look on your face.
02:40It's like, what?
02:41Yeah.
02:42She seems quite confused by it.
02:43Yeah, like, what?
02:43And I was sort of exactly the same.
02:45I think because a lot of the heat coming Kate's way is about her reactions to things.
02:49I know.
02:50Which are completely genuine.
02:51And that's why I got it.
02:52It's completely genuine.
02:53Being over the top.
02:54Well, I mean, come on.
02:56Yeah.
02:57There's some pretty Linda reactions coming out of Kate Galloway.
02:59I know.
02:59Why did you ask me?
03:00Yeah, because I would have said that.
03:02You so would.
03:03I think you probably did.
03:04I know.
03:05But the difference is, Linda, you were a traitor.
03:08Oh, yes.
03:09So I was.
03:09So that would have got you in trouble for a different reason.
03:11When I meet people after the show, people always say to me, how could you not tell?
03:15Because I never thought Linda was a traitor.
03:17I was like, because she talks like that all the time.
03:19Yes.
03:20I think with Kate especially, what she does is she'll repeat something that someone else has already said in a really over-the-top way.
03:26I loved it when she said, I'm just a ham.
03:28Yeah, she's just a ham.
03:28I felt like that.
03:30I'm a bit of a ham, yeah.
03:32But when everyone came down for breakfast after Paloma had been poisoned, someone went, well, maybe there's been a recruitment.
03:39And then Kate stood up and went, maybe there's been a recruitment.
03:44Maybe someone's been recruited.
03:46And you think, if you're looking for suspicious things.
03:50She's like Master of Ceremonies.
03:53Just in case anyone didn't hear, there might have been a recruitment.
03:56And now the bride and groom.
04:01So who do we think Stephen's going to vote for?
04:03You think Kate might be in danger.
04:04I think it could be Nico or Kate.
04:08Well, whoever's banished, we'll hear from them on the next episode of Uncloaked.
04:11But right now, it's Paloma time.
04:14Her castle journey was short.
04:15Well, Linda, did you just turn to look at the door?
04:17I did.
04:17She didn't have to.
04:19I thought she was going in.
04:20I thought you did my poppy turn because you did it.
04:24Oh, my God.
04:25Will I never change?
04:26No, I will not.
04:28You don't normally turn that way either.
04:30She's just pushing it out.
04:32We didn't hear your neck go.
04:37Paloma is coming in here.
04:38But in a minute, I've got a small intro to do first.
04:40Her castle journey was short and sweet, but she was the centre of one of the dastardiest
04:45murders in Traitor's history and even got the rare privilege of attending her own funeral,
04:49soundtracked by her own voice.
04:51We've prized open the coffin and brushed the dirt off Paloma Faith for her exclusive
04:55Uncloaked interview.
04:57And get ready, because you're about to find out what happened immediately after Paloma left
05:01the game, up at the castle when she came to see me, and she discovered just who the traitors
05:05are for the very first time.
05:13Welcome to Uncloaked.
05:15Don't hug me in case I die.
05:18Take a seat.
05:20It's too late for that.
05:21It's too late for that.
05:23Welcome to Uncloaked, Paloma.
05:26How are you feeling?
05:27I feel really sad.
05:28I feel like I didn't even have the opportunity to, like, show what I'm capable of and especially
05:36show the millions of outfits that I had planned to wear on the game.
05:42Well, look, this one's fantastic.
05:43This was what I was planning to wear when I won.
05:45So I wore this one because it was a killer look.
05:48Let's talk about that first breakfast when you walk in.
05:52Are you relieved to not have been murdered, as you thought at the time?
05:55I was so sure that I was going to be murdered that when I walked in to the breakfast, I
06:01genuinely was so relieved and I really relaxed.
06:06I didn't understand that, like, even after Claudia said, in plain sight, I didn't really
06:12understand what that meant because the series that I'd watched didn't have that in it.
06:17So I thought I was okay.
06:22So when everyone's reacting to the murder in plain sight.
06:25And I was like, what's going on?
06:27So what did you think had happened then when everyone walked in to breakfast and no one
06:31had been murdered?
06:32I was like, they're so nice and I'd be the same.
06:35They don't know who to kill.
06:36So maybe they just recruited someone.
06:39There are a lot of theories thrown around about what actually happened with the murder
06:42in plain sight.
06:43Did you have any sense or any idea?
06:45Were the spidey senses tingling?
06:47There's like a couple of things that I keep coming back to.
06:52So twice I was talking alone with Lucy and I really trusted her.
07:00I really felt like we were kindred spirits.
07:04I agree that you and Lucy have similar energies and you seem to really click when you were there.
07:09Yeah.
07:09Especially during the funeral, which turned out to be your funeral, you seem to be getting
07:13on very well.
07:15Yeah, I was really helpful to her and stuff.
07:17And I'll be really sad if she was one of the traitors because then I just want her to know
07:23on the record I'll never be friends with her.
07:28So you're in the coffin.
07:30Claudia's marching up and down behind making things very, very tense.
07:32And she slams your coffin lid.
07:35How does that feel in that moment?
07:36I still didn't know that it meant I was dead.
07:40Because I'm ADHD, I sort of like listen to 50% of everything that she says because I'm
07:47tuning in and out all the time because I'm also, the whole time I was thinking, who is
07:52it?
07:52Who is it?
07:52Who is it?
07:53And I thought she was just going to shut all of our coffins because I hadn't heard that
07:57bit when I shut the thing.
07:59I was like, oh, I guess it's me then.
08:01So the lid's shut.
08:02So there's a moment where you're in the coffin and you're thinking, so...
08:05So I'm now dead and I can't believe it.
08:08Yeah.
08:08Do you have any regrets?
08:10Anything that you could have done to avoid murder perhaps?
08:13I do regret some things.
08:15I regret like telling everyone that I sat near every thought that I was having at all times.
08:23Yeah, it's a bold way to play the traitors game, I think.
08:30This is a big moment because obviously you were murdered in plain sight by the traitors.
08:34And at the moment, you don't know who those traitors are.
08:37Yeah.
08:38Do you have any suspicions?
08:40I'm looking back and I'm thinking about the plain sight thing.
08:44I can remember Tamika being there and I can remember Lucy and remember Joe.
08:50I will be devastated if you tell me that Nico's a traitor because I was ready to go to that
08:59round table and say, I do not believe it's Nico in front of everyone.
09:03Now, if you're about to tell me that, I'm going to doubt my whole existence and potentially
09:08go into hiding for several years and reconsider my whole life.
09:12Well, I think we should do it.
09:15I think you should find out.
09:17So I'm going to give you this.
09:17I deserve it.
09:18There's the names on there.
09:20These people, just for the record, if any of them die after this series is being shot,
09:26that will be me that killed them.
09:33Jonathan!
09:34The Geek!
09:35What a prick.
09:41So you didn't have any suspicions about him?
09:43I'm happy to lose him as a friend.
09:44You didn't have any suspicions about Jonathan?
09:46No suspicions, but he's obviously really, really, like, studied.
09:51He's really good at it.
09:53Yeah.
09:53I have no suspicions at all.
09:55Right, well, let's hear the next one.
09:57Oh, my God.
10:07So these people just killed me out of malice because I didn't suspect any of them.
10:12Shall we do the last one?
10:18Alan!
10:19These are, like, three of my favourite people that I was short.
10:24I hope they never call me again.
10:25And I mean that.
10:27The brighter way of looking at it is that they're doing a great job as traitors.
10:31Yes.
10:31Yeah.
10:32But bang out of order.
10:33I agree.
10:34Bang out of order for sure, yeah.
10:36I feel really even more betrayed now.
10:39By Alan in particular?
10:40I feel betrayed by Jonathan and Alan.
10:42And actually Kat, because she's on the same record label as me and she should have some loyalty.
10:52And she's here with us now.
10:53Please welcome Paloma!
10:55Thank you so much for joining us, Paloma.
11:00I've been going through a moment with my daughter, who's eight.
11:04I played her the song The Bright Side of Life the other day because I was like, sometimes she focuses on the negative.
11:11And I was like, now we play this game called The Bright Side Game and she says something that's terrible.
11:16And then I say what the bright side of that is.
11:20So I'd say the bright side of this is that there wasn't enough time for anybody to think that I'm a horrible person.
11:26So I think my reputation as being really lovely is intact.
11:31And it could have gone the other way.
11:35There was no chance of it going the other way, Paloma.
11:38But yes, I agree.
11:39Your reputation is preserved.
11:41But you have threatened to murder them all now.
11:44And if any of them die in real life, I'm prime suspect.
11:48Prime suspect.
11:49You've just admitted to it on the VT.
11:51Now, obviously, since we spoke then, you've now seen the episode.
11:56You've seen that not only was Alan a traitor, but Alan was the one who killed you by touching your face.
12:03How are you feeling about that now?
12:04I still maintain to this day that if the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't have done that.
12:11So I don't think he should have done it to me.
12:13And I'm surprised that he did.
12:15But he is extremely lovable.
12:19And I've spoken to him since.
12:21And I do find forgiveness quite an easy thing, just as a person.
12:27So I love him.
12:28See, not only have you preserved your reputation, you've still got the moral high ground as well.
12:34Absolutely brilliant.
12:35Kill him with kindness.
12:39Linda, in episode one, Alan actually said that he was a worse traitor than you.
12:43I've got my suspicions.
12:46I tried to be like, I was just laughing.
12:49So I'm like, I'm not a traitor.
12:50But oh, God, I'm worse than Linda.
12:53I am worse than Linda.
12:55Charming.
12:55I know.
12:56Can we rate Alan's efforts in the murder in plain sight when he killed Paloma?
13:00How did he do?
13:01I think it was a mistake.
13:03And I think he will get his comeuppance.
13:06Desperately.
13:07Because why, I mean, already Claire has worked out that who would be the least likely person for him to get rid of.
13:18So she's already got her, because you were so close.
13:22So she's already got her eye on him.
13:24Yeah.
13:24So, and I think that will be his downfall.
13:27But I did keep asking him why he was sweating so much.
13:30I remember just being like, I don't, I didn't think that men got the menopause.
13:39He's just like, I don't know, I've got a sweating problem.
13:41I was like, I've never noticed it before when we spent time with each other.
13:45He doesn't look very comfortable.
13:48When he was in the kitchen, he's like, ah.
13:51There's definitely some turmoil going on with Alan, I think.
13:53Yeah.
13:53And I think he had a lot put on him for that murder in plain sight.
13:56Yeah, they all kept saying, it's you, it's you, it's you.
13:59Because I think the idea was that Alan is the only one out of the three of them that could get away with touching someone's face.
14:04And unfortunately, and I mean, maybe take this as a compliment, Paloma.
14:07I was the only face he was willing to touch.
14:12But yeah, I think it was a difficult murder because it was a murder of opportunity.
14:17It's not like they sat around and said, we're going to kill Paloma.
14:20Because I think if they'd had, if they got to choose.
14:22I think you're being nice.
14:24I think it's true.
14:25If the shoe was on the other foot, I would not have touched Alan's face.
14:29Categorically, he had a choice.
14:31It was a choice.
14:32And he just, maybe it was the easiest option, but it was the choice he made.
14:37Yes.
14:38And I think it was not very nice.
14:40No, that's fair enough.
14:41He did murder you.
14:41I think we can say it's not very nice.
14:43Yeah.
14:43Yeah.
14:44Frankie, to us, when we're watching those murders in plain sight, they do look impossible to pull off in a sort of subtle way.
14:51Yeah.
14:51But when you're in the game, are you looking out for things that are out of the ordinary?
14:55Like the, you know, the glass of fizzy rosé or someone touching your face?
14:58I think in our game, I think there was sort of something like someone's passed me a drink and they kind of went down that thing because it's what happened before.
15:05And then everyone's like, no, they've done that before.
15:07So you kind of do look out for random things.
15:10I personally wasn't.
15:11I was oblivious to kind of what, you know.
15:14Yeah.
15:14Because I said in that, when I was watching, I said, oh, Nico hugged me and I just can't stop thinking about how terrible that was of me to say that.
15:23But at the time, you're just trying to think of all the things that might have been a bit different.
15:28But it doesn't necessarily, you're just literally like spouting.
15:31You're grasping at straws, basically.
15:34Until I saw the flashback, don't remember Alan ever touching my face.
15:40No.
15:40And then I've had all this time since and I still didn't remember until we just watched the episode now.
15:47He touched his own face way more times before he touched yours.
15:50I was concerned.
15:51Was it like lily powder?
15:52Did he have to leave the lily powder on your cheek?
15:55I just don't know.
15:56Poisonous pollen on his fingers.
15:58I mean, he was touching the fridge.
15:59He was touching his face.
16:00It was like a death hole.
16:02By the time he touched my face, he probably had rubbed all the pollen off his fingers.
16:07Paloma, what did you think when you saw the funeral laid out in front of the castle with Claudia on horseback and everyone's wearing black?
16:13What did you make of that when you first saw it?
16:16Well, it was astonishing.
16:17And I did think, what a send off.
16:20I mean, I didn't know at the time it was mine, but I thought everyone looked really cool.
16:24It was like a sort of high fashion campaign shoot, wasn't it?
16:29It was amazing.
16:30It looked very beautiful.
16:31It was.
16:32Everyone looked incredible.
16:33Like, the outfits were just stunning.
16:36Amazing.
16:36And what was funny was we were just told to pack a black outfit.
16:39Yeah.
16:40So we weren't really told that it would be that, like, a celebratory outfit or a commiseratory outfit or anything.
16:46But it ended up working really well.
16:49Yeah, well, it looked like a Sopranos funeral.
16:50Yeah.
16:51Like, you and Jonathan particularly, I think, very, very glam funeral.
16:54Oh, he had the big fairy colour, yeah.
16:55He had the big fairy colour and the sunglasses.
16:57Yeah.
16:57Yeah, incredible.
16:58Now, the team got three clues for your coffin.
17:01There was the riddle from the choir, the tie and the wreath with hearts and bandages over.
17:06How did you feel when you finally realised that it was going to be you?
17:09I thought I'd be gone if it was me.
17:12Yeah, because the other two people in the coffins were Nico and Lucy.
17:16Yeah.
17:16But you thought it was definitely going to be you rather than one of them.
17:19Yeah.
17:19Why did you think that?
17:20I don't know.
17:21Imposter syndrome?
17:23Yeah, I understand that.
17:27Celebrities are celebrities for all different reasons.
17:30Now, I went to art school and I've built a career out of singing about my real, true feelings.
17:36And so, as a personality, I'm not like a celebrity before I'm an artist.
17:41There's so many different amazing skills people have.
17:45Like, you go, oh, they're in here for logic.
17:47They're in here for intellect.
17:49They're in here for, I don't know, empathy or whatever.
17:53But, like, I felt that I was in there for entertainment.
17:58But also, I think you put weight on relationships more than you would in necessarily real life.
18:02Yeah.
18:02Because it's so intense and you don't have your normal support network.
18:06You try and attach to people.
18:07So, you attach to people.
18:08And if you felt safe with somebody, then you stick with that person.
18:11Yeah.
18:11Because in those moments, you feel safe with that person.
18:14Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:14So true.
18:15Paloma, you told Claudia that you could be a traitor or a faithful.
18:19What qualities do you think you have that would make you a good traitor?
18:22What I said to her was that because I don't really know how to be any other way, I'll just be the same.
18:28Yeah.
18:28And I think that would mean that people didn't really suspect me.
18:32I think they're grasping at straws so much now that they might have eventually gone, if you were a traitor, they're going, her surname's Faith.
18:39Yeah.
18:40They definitely would have made her a traitor.
18:42Yeah.
18:43It's too obvious to make her a traitor.
18:45You said you couldn't lie.
18:47You were very honest.
18:48So, how would you deal with that if you were a traitor?
18:50Because I find that.
18:51I found that so difficult.
18:53But I've done quite a bit of acting.
18:55Oh, right.
18:56So, to do, to do, to be the, I actually have played a serial killer before.
19:02Oh, really?
19:02Yeah, in a series.
19:03Just tap into that.
19:04So, the way that I did that was by believing that it was justified.
19:11Everything I was doing was justified.
19:13Yeah.
19:13And so, for that character, I just would imagine that I was doing the good God's work kind of thing.
19:21Oh, we missed out on you being a traitor.
19:23Yeah, exactly.
19:24Walking around the castle, mumbling to yourself, going, you're doing God's work, Paloma.
19:28No, but she did, she did ask me, she said, like, what would you do?
19:33And I said, I'd just make it a great series and I'd get rid of anyone who wasn't that entertaining.
19:40You're boring.
19:41Yeah, I was a bit like, they're not saying much, get rid.
19:43Because I'd watched it before and let all the boring people last right to the end.
19:48Thanks.
19:52It's a tactic.
19:53No, I know it's a tactic, but what I mean is, like, I would just try and get rid of them so the tactic was flawed.
20:02I'm glad I wasn't in the same one as you.
20:04I would have made it to the first practice.
20:07I would have tried to engineer chaos and, like, kind of, like, loads of clashing personalities and stuff like that.
20:14Just going around interviewing people and if they weren't entertaining in the chat, just being like, yeah, we won't see you in the morning.
20:19Remember that really lame attempt at a joke, get rid.
20:24Be like a Roman emperor.
20:29Linda, is being a traitor all it's cracked up to be?
20:32I thought I'd be so good at being a traitor because I thought I was so good at lying.
20:36But actually, I'm not.
20:37When you get to know people, you know who the faithfuls are and trying to point the finger at someone.
20:45And I liked everybody, so it was really, really difficult.
20:48Do you think it's more easy to lie to the people you know really well than it is to people you quite like from a distance?
20:56Yeah, I think it is.
20:58I think it is.
20:59But, no, I mean, it was really difficult and really stressful.
21:02And then everybody is looking at everybody.
21:05That's the other thing.
21:06And you know that you're a traitor and everything you say is picked out.
21:11It's really hard.
21:13Well, I thought you were a brilliant traitor.
21:14I didn't think anything.
21:15Darling, thank you.
21:16You're about the only one.
21:17I was the only one, I think.
21:19Well, in terms of entertainment, Linda, you are one of the most entertaining traitors ever.
21:24Very much so.
21:25So Paloma would have kept you in the game right until the end.
21:27We would have been good together.
21:30If you were a traitor, Paloma, who out of the celebrity cast would you have liked in the turret with you?
21:36Nico and Ruth.
21:38Yeah, they're good choices, I think.
21:39I think Nico is a really smart, intelligent player of the game.
21:45And I think Ruth's the same, to be fair.
21:46I think she's very, very clever.
21:49So you sadly didn't get to make it to the first roundtable, Paloma, but you've seen it now.
21:53So do you have any sense of what you might have done, where you might have pushed the conversation?
21:57At that point, but the problem is it's so early on, but at that point it's so early that you kind of want to go for somebody that's already been mentioned.
22:10Because if you say a name, you know, that hasn't been, you look like you're a traitor probably.
22:18Yeah, or you're just sticking your head above the parapet.
22:21Yeah, and if you're right and on your own, the traitors want to kill you.
22:24So the only one that I had suspected quite hard was Tom Daley.
22:29Yeah.
22:30So I probably would have gone for him if I was in that position.
22:33But if I was able to speak first, it's just like you're scrambling at the time.
22:38I did have Tom in my head.
22:40I just felt like his outfit at the funeral was very serial killer-y.
22:44It was like American Psycho with the buttons done all the way down.
22:52And I was like, oh my God, he's a psychopath.
22:55And that is as good a reason as any.
22:58Yeah, there's so little facts at that point.
23:01And there would have been people at the round table.
23:03I would have been like Louis Walsh, looks like a traitor, sounds like a traitor.
23:10I guarantee there would have been people at the round table as well who would go,
23:13yeah, I thought that as well, actually.
23:15I agree.
23:15He was dressed like a psychopath.
23:17He looked like an American Psycho.
23:19I agree with Paloma, full facts.
23:22For balance, I thought he looked lovely.
23:23We still get a job in the police force.
23:26Just to take you back to the mission, the huge Trojan horse mission,
23:30Claire Balding really drew some attention to herself by pulling the lever at the wrong time.
23:35Claire Balding really drew some attention to her, and I'm like the traitors met last night.
23:48It was part of their thing to sabotage the mission, to get people to give up as many shields as possible.
23:56Claire pulling that lever is exactly what a traitor would do.
24:00Did you think that was a bit sus at the time?
24:02No, I didn't.
24:03No?
24:03Because I was quite near her, and I genuinely saw her reaction was honest.
24:09Like, oh my God, I thought it wasn't acted.
24:12I think you're a very trusting person, but I think you're also, you are quite perceptive.
24:17So I think it's a shame you went this early, because I think you could have found some traitors pretty sharpish.
24:23But I think you were always going to be a threat to them.
24:25They might have got rid of you later anyway, just for being on it.
24:28Everyone in real life hates introducing me to their new boyfriends or girlfriends,
24:33because they're just like, I just do not want Paloma's a witch,
24:37and I don't want her to say they're not a good person.
24:41Yeah.
24:42Because then it really makes me worry, and I'll go to bed and not be able to sleep.
24:45Because you'll probably be right.
24:47And usually I am.
24:48Yeah.
24:49But my mum's the same, so I think it's like passed down generations.
24:52Now, obviously, for the regular series, Paloma, these guys will attest,
24:57they didn't know anyone going in there, but you knew a lot of people going in there.
25:01Who did you know best before the show, and do you think it's an advantage?
25:05Well, it was a disadvantage, because I knew Alan the best, and he killed me.
25:10So it was unexpected.
25:12But I actually think maybe it was an advantage for him.
25:14I don't know how the show progresses, but I'd imagine that a lot of people would doubt that he was a traitor,
25:21because they'd assume he wouldn't do that to me.
25:24So maybe it was an advantage for him.
25:26Yeah, that might be a bit of a bonus for Alan.
25:30Or on the other hand...
25:32Yeah.
25:32Maybe not.
25:34Claire's on him.
25:35Linda's got it in for Alan now.
25:38Mainly because he was like, I'm even worse than Linda.
25:43Yes, exactly.
25:44He insulted her and me in one episode.
25:48Linda, how does it feel to be a measuring stick for terrible traitors?
25:53I've got used to it now.
25:56Paloma, you seemed quite close to Lucy in there.
25:59Did you strike up any other new friendships?
26:02Kat?
26:03Because even though we're on the same record company, I've not spent time with her.
26:06Yeah.
26:07I really liked Nico straight away.
26:09I actually told him on the first day that I wished that I had a son like him.
26:14That's really sweet.
26:15I just find him so adorable and lovable and kind.
26:19Those were the main three.
26:21Oh, Celia, I know from St. Trinian's.
26:24Yeah, of course.
26:24I just feel like we'd spent a decade or a little over a decade not seeing each other.
26:30And it was just so nice to be reunited with her.
26:33And I just find her amazing and so naughty.
26:35She's incredible.
26:36Yeah.
26:36If you'd stayed in any longer, is there anyone that you would have wanted to bond a little
26:41bit more with and get to know?
26:42Yeah, I would have liked to have bonded with Ruth.
26:45Ruth, I think she is the coolest.
26:48Yeah.
26:49Nick Muhammad.
26:51I think he's an incredible mind.
26:54You have to do these individually.
26:56Oh, my God.
27:00Nick was a puzzle ninja.
27:03He just went into this zone.
27:06That, that, that, that, that.
27:08That cross.
27:08Oh, yeah, there you go, there you go.
27:09That's it.
27:10Yes!
27:11Right, let's go.
27:12He just did it, got the key, and we were on.
27:17I was also quite astounded by Kate Garraway's sex appeal.
27:22I literally was like, I've seen you a lot on television, but in person, she is one hot
27:29mamacita.
27:32Never underestimate Garraway and the flair.
27:35Unreal.
27:36She looks amazing.
27:37She's gorgeous.
27:38Good morning, Britain.
27:39Yeah.
27:41Hello.
27:44The chat continues over on BBC Sounds, where I'll be reflecting with Paloma, Linda and Frankie
27:49on their experiences with fame.
27:51It's all in your bonus episode of Uncloaked, which you can listen to right now.
27:55We've made it easy for you.
27:56All you need to do is scan the QR code on the screen and then listen before you head
28:00to bed or maybe on your morning commute.
28:02And if you think you've got what it takes to be a traitor next series or a faithful,
28:06then go to bbc.co.uk forward slash take part to apply.
28:10We're back on Wednesday night straight after episode three with our first banished player.
28:15And of course, I'll be revealing the traitors to them for the very first time.
28:18Big thanks to Frankie, Linda and of course Paloma Faith for joining me and to you for watching.
28:23I'm Ed Gamble.
28:24Stay faithful.
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