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00:00The only person to have delivered a speech at both the Democratic and Republican National
00:14Conventions is one of these three young men. What is your name, please? My name is David
00:22Mark. My name is David Mark. My name is David Mark. Only one of these young men is the real
00:32David Mark. The other two are imposters and will try to fool this panel. Tom Poston, Peggy
00:38Cash, Orson Bean, and Kitty Carlisle. On to Tell the Truth with your host, Bob Collier.
00:52Thank you very much. Thank you. Good evening, and welcome once again to Tell the Truth.
01:01Good evening, pal. Good evening, Bob.
01:05We're brought to you this evening by Winston Filters Cigarettes. A panel in front of you
01:10are the envelopes, the contents of which you have not seen, but open up that number one
01:14one, if you will, and follow along. I, David Mark, am a senior in high school. Last April,
01:21in competition with students from all over the United States, I became the winner of the
01:2677th Annual American Legion Oratorical Contest. First prize was a $4,000 scholarship to the
01:33college of my choice and the privilege of addressing both the Republican and Democratic National
01:39Conventions of 1964. Signed, David Mark.
01:57Panel, these three young men all claim to be David Mark. As you heard, winner of the National
02:01Oratorical Contest. We'll start this questioning with Kitty Carlisle.
02:04Thank you, Bob. That's quite a distinction, I must say. Number one, who delivered the keynote
02:08speech at the Democratic Convention? At the Democratic Convention, Senator Pastore of Rhode
02:13Island delivered the speech. Number three, what date did you make your speech?
02:18August 24th. At the Democratic Convention? Yes, ma'am.
02:20And what day did you make your speech, number two, at the Republican Convention? The Republican
02:24was July 13th. Number three, who made the keynote speech at the Republican Convention?
02:28Governor Hatfield. Number two, who sang the Star-Spangled Banner at the Democratic Convention?
02:34I don't remember. Number three, how long was your speech?
02:37At the Democratic Convention? Either one.
02:40The first one at the Republican Convention was five minutes and the second was three.
02:45Number one, what was your subject? My subject for the American Legion contest was the Constitution,
02:51our Temple of Freedom. Number two, what was your speech for the Democratic Convention?
02:55Tommy. Tom Poston. Thank you, bud. Number two, you didn't know who sang the Star-Spangled
03:01Banner at the Democratic Convention. Is that true? No, as a matter of fact, I was a little
03:05nervous at times. I bet. I bet I would be, too. Number three, do you know who sang the Star-Spangled
03:11Banner? I could guess, but I'm not positive. Well, take a guess. Robert Merrill. Number one,
03:18do you agree with that? No, I think Eddie Fisher did, as I recall. Well, you can't tell those
03:26singers apart. No, no. Sorry, Bob. Number one, what was the subject of your American Legion
03:34speech? The Constitution, our Temple of Freedom. Number two, what was the subject of
03:38yours? The Constitution, our Temple of Freedom. Oh, I see. Was it yours? Oh, correct. Thank you,
03:44Kay. Thank you. Number one, how many people were in the finals of this contest? Four people.
03:50And number three, where were the finals held? Tampa, Florida. Number two, could you please tell me
03:55where Governor Hatfield comes from? He's the governor of Oregon. And could you please tell me,
04:00number one, where Hubert Humphrey comes from? The state of Minnesota. Number three, since you must have
04:06known something about the nation, do you know what Hubert Humphrey used to be before he became
04:10a senator? No, I don't. Number two, he's just a hang around, you know. Number two, where does the
04:22vice presidential candidate Miller come from? He's a representative from the state of New York.
04:27Number one, do you know which city he comes from? I believe he comes from the city of Niagara Falls.
04:31Arson Bean. Yes, number two. Now, you won in oratory. Did you write your own speech? Yes,
04:37I did. Well, did you think that had something, I mean, what if you wrote a lousy speech but
04:41delivered it great? Could you have still won? Yes, certainly. Delivery is an extremely important
04:46part of the presentation. I see. Number one, were you good in English in school? How did you drift
04:51into this? Well, I applied through my high school. What is onomatopoeia? In your own words,
04:59I don't know, eh? What's a dangling... It sounds familiar. I can't recall. What's a dangling
05:03participle, number one? Well, it's a... Quickly now, quickly. It's a participle that dangles.
05:08Well, on that note, we let the questions dangle right there while you mark your mallets,
05:21if you will, please. Mark it once. Without change and, of course, without consultation. Vote
05:26now for number one, number two, or number three. Our team of challengers will receive
05:35$250 for every incorrect vote. Are all ballots marked, panel? Very well, Tom. For whom did
05:41you vote? I voted for number three. He's got that faraway look of a guy that just had to
05:49attend both conventions. And he looks like a kid who would be able to give a nice speech. I thought
05:57he was a very appealing... Number one and two are very smart, though. Thank you, Kat. Well, I thought
06:01they were all just fine. But, you know, did any fisher do what I could imagine? Did any fisher
06:06open the convention? That took me off that. And I think that Miller comes from Lockport, New
06:11York. And also, number three has a nice appearance, and I'd vote for him. All right. Orson
06:16Bean. I voted for number one, because it should be him. He's a fine fellow, and he knows what
06:22a dangling participle is. Kitty Carlisle, what is your choice? I voted for number three, because if
06:30the finals took place in Florida, he's the only one who looks as though he might have a Florida
06:35tan. And he was reluctant to say which man sang the Star-Spangled Banner, because he wasn't sure.
06:41And I know what onomatopoeia is. And it's her. Can I change my voice? Yes, you may.
06:47All right. There we have it. The vote's all in and the reasons given. Let's find out immediately.
06:51And without pause, which one of these young men, in truth, is the National Oratorical Contest
06:57winner? Will the real David March, please stand up?
07:03Thank you very much. You might be interested to know that David is a student at Wausau, I guess
07:23it is. W-A-U-S-A-U, Wausau? Yes, sir. Wausau Senior High School, where he is also first-string
07:29quarterback on the state championship football team. Where's Wausau? Where's Wausau? Right
07:32in the middle of the state. Of what state? Wisconsin. Of Wisconsin.
07:35Where's he going to go? What college? What college do you plan to go to today? I plan to
07:45go to St. Paul Concordia College in St. Paul, Minnesota. And Robert Merrill did open the
07:51Democratic National Convention with the Star-Spangled Banner. Eddie Fisher played for him.
07:57Number one, what is your real name and what do you really do?
08:00My name is John Q. McNulty, and I'm a senior at the Dwight School right here in New York City.
08:09Thank you. And number two, what is your real name and what do you do, sir?
08:11My name is Richard John Behrens, and I'm a sophomore at Villanova University, Villanova, Pennsylvania.
08:20Well, when we check through the score, we find that there was only one incorrect vote, but
08:23that is worth a good husky $250 in any event. And I hope it brings you great joy. You brought
08:28it to us. Thank you very much for sharing your evening with us. Good night, and God bless you.
08:38Now, 60 seconds, designed to your particular taste, for your particular pleasure.
08:44I understand that I said that that was the 77th National Oratorical Contest. It wasn't.
08:51It was the 27th, which, in fact, makes me feel a lot younger.
08:54And now, let's meet our next team of challengers.
09:05What is your name, please?
09:07My name is Evelyn Vaux.
09:10My name is Evelyn Vaux.
09:13My name is Evelyn Vaux.
09:16Now, follow along with this one, if you will, please, panel.
09:18Well, I, Evelyn Vaux, have just completed a two-year tour of duty with the Peace Corps in
09:25Africa. Last February, four other Peace Corps girls and I decided to spend our two-month
09:31vacation by hitchhiking 4,000 miles from Liberia to Algiers. The trip took seven weeks, three
09:38of which were spent crossing the Sahara Desert. Most of our journey was accomplished by hitching
09:43rides in trucks. Dressed in black jallabas, we went for days without passing another car.
09:51Never saw another woman, almost perished from the heat during the day, and nearly froze during
09:56the chilling desert nights. Natives we met were astounded at what we were doing, but were
10:01always kind and helpful. One local police chief even fell in love with one of us. In turn,
10:07I fell in love with Africa, and have just re-enlisted in the Peace Corps for another year in Liberia.
10:13Signed, Evelyn Vaux.
10:28Finally, these three young ladies all claim to be Evelyn Vaux, who hitchhikes clear across Africa.
10:32We'll start this cross-examination with our own hitchhiker, Orson B. Orson?
10:37Yes, Miss Vaux, number two. Why did you do this? Why did you take this trip?
10:43We wanted to see Africa.
10:44Well, what would you have done if you would have run out of gas or something?
10:48Well, the hitchhiker.
10:49I don't know.
10:49Well, the hitchhiker.
10:51So, if the guy's camel ran out of water, you had, did you, did you, weren't you scared?
10:57No.
10:58No? All right, great. Number three, where is the town of Bangui?
11:03I don't know.
11:03Don't know Bangui? I'm shocked. Number one, Bangui.
11:07No.
11:07No? Number two, you never heard of it either.
11:09No.
11:09Did you ever go to, number one, did you ever go to Tangier?
11:12No.
11:13Number two?
11:14No.
11:14Oh, there's a little hotel. I don't want to go into that.
11:17Number three, describe your black dejultibus or whatever.
11:22Chalaba.
11:23What?
11:24Chalaba.
11:24Chalaba.
11:28Kitty Carlisle.
11:29Number two, what is a yashmach?
11:31I don't know.
11:32Number three, what is a yashmach?
11:33I don't know.
11:34You don't know either, number one?
11:36No, I don't.
11:37Yashmach, Meshach, and Abednego.
11:40It's a thing that, well, anyway, they wear it, you know, like so.
11:43What is the capital, number two, of Liberia?
11:48Monrovia.
11:49Number three, who's the head of Liberia?
11:51Dr. Tubman.
11:52Number one, how many countries did you pass on your way from Liberia to Algiers?
11:57Four, counting Liberia.
11:59And what were they?
12:00We started out from Liberia and then into the Ivory Coast.
12:04Yes.
12:04And then to Niger and then to Algeria.
12:08Number two, three, where is Niger?
12:10Niger is just north of Nigeria.
12:13Is it on which coast is it on?
12:16Down closer.
12:17Number three, would you be likely to go through the Ivory Coast if you're going across country
12:21like that from Liberia?
12:23Well, we went east first and then north, and that's why we passed through the Ivory Coast.
12:27You could go directly without passing through.
12:30How, number three, you didn't even know I was talking to you, did you?
12:33But I was.
12:35You're a very polite lady.
12:37Number three, again.
12:38Where is, how close would you come to Sierra Leone then?
12:42We didn't go.
12:43Sierra Leone is to the west of Liberia.
12:47We went east and then north.
12:50Ah, yes.
12:51Now I understand.
12:52Did you come, did you, number three, did you return?
12:56Pardon?
12:57To Liberia?
12:57Yes, we did.
12:58How long, number three?
13:00Thank you, Kat.
13:01And number two, you say you saw no women and you hitchhiked.
13:04Did you ever run into any trouble?
13:07I mean, like, fellas try to, you know, keep you there in their tents?
13:10Like Rudolph, that one, you know?
13:12Not really.
13:13No, gee.
13:14Not really?
13:15How about that?
13:16How about, number three, how about sort of?
13:19Sort of, in some cases.
13:20In some cases.
13:21And number one, where did you eat your dinner?
13:24Five or...
13:25Hmm?
13:26Number one.
13:27Number one.
13:28By the roadside, usually.
13:30But in number three, in the middle of the Sahara, where did you get, you know, bologna and
13:33bread to make a sandwich?
13:34What did you eat?
13:35We brought canned food and cheese, that sort of thing.
13:38Okay.
13:39Number two, would anybody ever offer you a sheep side?
13:40That's all the time we have, I'm sorry to say, but there it is.
13:44Tighten your burn-ooses and mark your ballots.
13:46Mark them at once, please.
13:48No change.
13:49No consultation permitted.
13:51Simply vote for number one.
13:54Number two.
13:56Our number three.
13:58All ballots marked?
13:59No, I'm not, uh...
14:01Not yet.
14:02Two are marked.
14:03Three are marked.
14:05And...
14:05Oh, God, just...
14:06All right.
14:07Tom, for whom did you vote, finally?
14:09I have to guess on this one.
14:10Just on the last thing, number three said, she took fish along.
14:14Ha!
14:14And I wonder about that.
14:16I voted for number one.
14:17Gee, it was a great thing.
14:19I'm proud of her.
14:20Peggy Kang.
14:21Well, I voted for number three.
14:23Because, you know, when she said something, she used some words that sort of French, and
14:27she said it with a French accent, so that's enough for me.
14:30Orson, which one do you think it is?
14:32I don't have a clue.
14:33I, I, uh...
14:34I don't know.
14:35I'd keep them all in my tent if I were a, uh...
14:38A chieftain of a humble tribe, you know, nothing grandiose.
14:42A small 500 subjects, a few camels.
14:45I voted for number, uh...
14:47One.
14:47I don't know.
14:48It's probably three, and it could be two.
14:49I'd...
14:50That's it.
14:51Move over.
14:53Kitty.
14:54I voted for number one, because although number three said, um...
14:58She pronounced Jalaba properly, unlike you, my darling.
15:02Uh...
15:03Nevertheless, number one had that kind of clear-eyed look that would fight off the chieftains,
15:07and, um...
15:09Most of them.
15:09She looked...
15:10Yeah, most of them.
15:10Not you, of course.
15:12Oh, never mind.
15:13I think it's number one.
15:14All right, there we have.
15:16You mispronounced number one.
15:18We go now to find out which one of these young ladies, in truth, is the one who has given
15:23up some of her life to the Peace Corps and then hitchhiked across Africa.
15:27Will the Real, Evelyn Vaux, please stand up.
15:33I can't...
15:34Good job!
15:40Good job!
15:41Good job!
15:47Good boy!
15:50Wowee!
15:51Suppose you tell us what a Jalaba is.
15:54It's a black hooded robe worn on the desert.
15:58Black hooded robe?
15:58Is it a cotton or...
16:00It's kind of a wool flannel.
16:01Mm-hmm.
16:02And what, did it give you any warmth at night on the desert?
16:05A little, but never enough.
16:06Never enough.
16:07But it did keep out some of the heat, I suppose, in the daytime.
16:09Well, congratulations, young lady.
16:11We're proud of you.
16:12Number one, you got most of the votes.
16:13What is your real name and what do you do?
16:15My name is Stephanie Strubing.
16:17I'm a Kelly girl.
16:18A temporary secretary sent out on many different jobs.
16:21Thank you very much.
16:27And number three, you got the other vote.
16:28What is your real name and what do you do?
16:30My name is Susan Joan Gordon, and I'm a poet and the author of a book called The Road I Travel.
16:43Incidentally, in accordance with regulations forbidding volunteers from accepting prize money,
16:48To Tell the Truth is sending exactly one-third of the team's winnings directly to the Peace Corps.
16:54How do you join the Peace Corps, by the way?
16:55I'll tell you about that later.
16:56In checking over those votes, we find that you completely fooled the panel,
17:01So the maximum amount of money comes your way,
17:03And that, of course, totals four times $250 or $1,000.
17:09Thank you for joining us tonight.
17:10Good night and God bless you.
17:20Okay, panel, rest easy now, and let's all look at this brief film.
17:24Our third team of challengers.
17:26What is your name, please?
17:34My name is John Rogers.
17:37My name is John Rogers.
17:40My name is John Rogers.
17:43Follow along once again, panel, with your copies, if you will.
17:46I, John Rogers, am an officer in the British Army.
17:49I have a rather unusual and delicate assignment.
17:52I am in charge of the bomb disposal troop.
17:55A group of 50 men, which is responsible for locating and disarming undiscovered aerial bombs and missiles,
18:01which were dropped by the enemy on the United Kingdom during World War II,
18:05and are still buried in the ground.
18:08Until my squad can complete the tricky job of defusing them,
18:12these bombs and missiles are live ammunition, which can explode at any time.
18:16Up to the present, bomb disposal troops have rendered harmless thousands of such bombs,
18:22from small incendiaries to 4,000-pound blockbusters.
18:26Signed, John Rogers.
18:34Panel, these three gentlemen all claim to be John Rogers, as you heard,
18:36commander of the British Bomb Disposal Troop.
18:39We'll start this questioning with Tom Poston.
18:41Tom.
18:42Thank you, Bud.
18:43Well, I was just jotting down a few notes here.
18:46Number three, have there been any stories about your troop?
18:51Any fictionalized stories based on the actual troop itself, number three?
18:56Not based on the actual troop, no.
18:58Oh, just number two, do you agree with that answer?
19:02Yes, I do.
19:02There has been a film on this sort of thing.
19:06There has been one or two books, but not on our particular unit as such.
19:10Who was in that film?
19:10Do you remember number two?
19:11I don't.
19:12Number one, do you agree with the two answers given by your cohorts?
19:16And yes, mainly, yes.
19:18Some of them are pretty bad liars, you know.
19:20Number one.
19:22Where?
19:23Huggy cat.
19:24Number three, what's a sapper?
19:27No, it's salt.
19:28A sapper is the equivalent of a private soldier in the Royal Engineers.
19:34Number one, do you agree with that?
19:36Yes, I do.
19:37Uh, number two, um, how many, uh, regiments of guards are there?
19:45I don't know.
19:46Uh, number three, those things you've got on your shoulder are referred to as something.
19:50What are they referred to?
19:51Pips.
19:52There you go.
19:53Um, number one, how recently have you found a big bomb?
19:57Uh, a big one?
19:58Yeah.
20:00Well, the last bomb I found was last Thursday, but, uh...
20:03Last Thursday?
20:04Oh, number two, how do you find them?
20:07Who tells you?
20:08The general public usually find them.
20:11Arsene B.
20:11Yes, uh, recently, number, uh, two in London, I read, uh, that such a large bomb was found.
20:18Uh, were you instrumental in dismantling it?
20:20No, I personally was not.
20:22It was your...
20:22Members of my troop were.
20:23Where was that?
20:24Do you remember?
20:25I don't remember.
20:26Number one, uh, what's the Norton bomb site?
20:30The Norton bomb site?
20:31Yeah, do you know what it is?
20:32No, I do not.
20:33Number three, Norton bomb site?
20:35Uh, bomb site fitted to...
20:38I think it was American bomb site fitted to aircraft during the war.
20:41Number three, again, what's a firestorm?
20:45If a large quantity of incendiaries are dropped on a city, they cause a firestorm.
20:52Number one, how...
20:53What's your most popular way of finding out...
20:55Does a housewife call up and say there's a live bomb in my yard, or how do people...
20:59It can happen.
21:00Uh, usually, um, excavations, construction.
21:04Kitty.
21:05Uh, number one, what are those tips you called you have on your collar?
21:09This is a grenade.
21:10This is a symbol of the Royal Engineer.
21:12Number two, when you find these bombs, are they generally buried underground, or are they
21:16on top of the ground?
21:17Well, very generally.
21:18Today, they're buried under the ground.
21:19They're under the ground.
21:20At one time, a great number would be on top of the ground.
21:23Uh, number three, do you pour water over them?
21:26In certain cases.
21:28You see?
21:29That wasn't so silly.
21:33Well, the time has gone for any further questioning.
21:36Regardless, I hope you've managed to get enough information to mark your ballots, because that
21:40I ask you to do now, if you will, panel, mark your ballots at once, without change, and
21:44of course, without consultation, that you well know.
21:46Vote now for number one, number two, or for number three.
21:53All ballots are not marked yet, I can see.
21:58Now, I believe they are.
22:00And so, Tom, for whom did you vote this time?
22:02I voted for number three.
22:03The only reason that I think it might not be number three is because he's the kind of
22:07a man who looks like he ought to have more responsibility and a bigger command.
22:13Well, take it back.
22:15I think he's a captain.
22:17That's not so bad.
22:18I voted for number two, because when Kitty asked him to throw water on him, he really
22:22laughed.
22:23As if, what a foolish question.
22:25So, I think that it's number two.
22:28Orson Bean, which one is your choice?
22:30Well, number two said he didn't remember where that bomb was.
22:33I mean, if I found a BB, I'd never forget it.
22:36I can't believe...
22:37I voted for number three, even though he looks too young to be in charge of the whole thing,
22:40because he's cool.
22:41He's like one of those guys in Rififi, you know, that can crack the safe.
22:45You have to be cool at all times, and television cameras shouldn't make you nervous.
22:50Sorry, friends.
22:51It's the best answer I could come up with.
22:52Kitty Carlisle.
22:54I voted for number three.
22:56I think he looks rather young for the job, but he knew all about the sappers, and I think
23:02it's number three.
23:03Very well.
23:04That gives us one for number two and three for number three.
23:07We'll go with that one into the truth area and find out who's right and who's wrong.
23:10As we learn now which one of these gentlemen is, in truth, commander of the British Bomb Disposal Troop.
23:16Will the real John Rogers, please stand up?
23:20Well, we thank you, sir, and I must say we are a little abject in our feeling of humility when we're with you, because I don't think I'd have the courage to do a job like that.
23:43No, I personally have been in a lot of bombs.
23:48Different kind of bomb.
23:49Number one, what is your real name, and what do you really do, sir?
23:52My name is David Mungarvin, and I'm an executive with the international car rental company, Auto Europe.
23:58Thank you, sir, and for number two.
24:04Number two, what is your real name, and what do you do?
24:06My name is Jack Drysdale.
24:08I'm the American representative for Watney's Brewery of London.
24:16Jack, you must go to find it the same as the first round, I believe.
24:19There was one incorrect vote, and that's worth $250, gentlemen.
24:22We thank you very much for being with us.
24:24Hope you had fun, too.
24:25Good night, and God bless you.
24:28A word to the wise, this November 3rd, make your vote count.
24:36Vote, and the choice is yours.
24:38Don't vote, and the choice is theirs.
24:40Above all, register to vote, or you have no choice.
24:43Good night, panel, and thank you for everything.
24:45As always, I'm in your debt.
24:46And thanks to all of you.
24:47We'll see you again next week at the same time, and I'll be with you tomorrow afternoon on the daytime show.
24:51In the meantime, may I remind you once again to tell the truth.
24:54Good night.
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