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En este episodio de Política con Acento, conversamos con el senador republicano Rick Scott, exgobernador de Florida, sobre las operaciones estadounidenses en el Caribe dirigidas contra embarcaciones venezolanas acusadas de narcotráfico y actividades paramilitares. La conversación también abordó la creciente tensión entre Washington y América Latina, el cierre del gobierno estadounidense y el futuro de Nicolás Maduro.
El senador Scott afirma que la postura del gobierno de Trump es clara: no a las drogas en Estados Unidos. Sostiene que Maduro es el líder de los cárteles de la droga y no el presidente legítimo de Venezuela, y cree que sus días en el poder están contados.
El senador Scott afirma que la postura del gobierno de Trump es clara: no a las drogas en Estados Unidos. Sostiene que Maduro es el líder de los cárteles de la droga y no el presidente legítimo de Venezuela, y cree que sus días en el poder están contados.
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00:00Nicolás Maduro
00:20Venezuela's leader has appeared to the United States to the escalate threats
00:24that currently endanger his authority.
00:26This comes as approximately 60 people have died with some survivors in at least 13 attacks
00:33on vessels purportedly used by drug traffickers on Caribbean and Pacific routes.
00:39The Trump administration aims to dismantle drug trafficking operations led by organizations
00:44classified as narco-terrorist groups, akin to groups like Al-Qaeda.
00:49And a lot of the Venezuelan drugs come in through the sea, so you get to see that.
00:54But we're going to stop them by land also.
00:56But behind a strategy that, for many, is the only way to prevent more drug-related deaths
01:01in the United States and restore freedom to nations like Venezuela, there is also concern
01:06about the lack of transparency behind each military attack.
01:10Welcome to Washington.
01:11This is Politics Con Acento.
01:12This is our third episode, and we take you to the center of a growing tension between Washington
01:19and Latin America.
01:20Republican Senator Rick Scott and former governor of Florida join us to talk about what's behind
01:25these operations and what they mean for the U.S. influence in the hemisphere.
01:30I'm Stephanie Ochoa, and this is Politics Con Acento.
01:35Senator, thank you so much for your time.
01:36I know that it's been very busy.
01:38We don't know when it's going to end this shutdown.
01:41And probably when these interviews air next Thursday, probably we will still be facing the
01:46consequences of this.
01:47It sure looks like it.
01:48You know, what's fascinating is the Democrats won't vote to keep the government funded at
01:53a level that they voted for last year.
01:55This is the Biden budget.
01:57This is not the Republican budget.
01:58This is the Biden budget.
01:59I don't like this budget, but I want government shutdown.
02:03And what they're doing now is poor people are not going to get food stamps, but they want
02:08to give subsidies to people making over $125,000 a year could be worth over a million dollars.
02:13That doesn't make sense.
02:14What do you think is going to happen when people cannot bring food to their table because
02:18they don't have SNAP?
02:19Well, you know, I grew up in a poor family where my mom struggled to put food on the table.
02:24It's hard.
02:25I mean, everybody thinks it's hard for the kid.
02:27It's hard for the parents.
02:28It's hard for everybody in the family.
02:31When I was governor, I was not responsible for food stamps.
02:34But you got extra food stamps during, after a hurricane.
02:39I mean, people were mad if they didn't get there.
02:42And so we had to provide a lot of security.
02:44So I don't know.
02:45Who's going to lose more in this fight?
02:48Well, poor families.
02:50That's who loses.
02:51I mean, we still get paid.
02:53I have a bill that says that, you know, we shouldn't get paid if we don't pass a budget.
02:57Right?
02:58But I can't get the Democrats to support it.
03:00That's no budget, no pay.
03:01I mean, do you get paid?
03:03You don't get paid if you don't show up and work, right?
03:05Why shouldn't, you know, why shouldn't, we're not doing our job.
03:08We should be passing budgets.
03:09It's not that hard to pass a budget.
03:11What does, like, do the people tell you when you go to Florida, your colleagues, people
03:17who work with you, what's the feeling?
03:20They're frustrated.
03:22What they see is their government stopped working.
03:24It's not the way it's supposed to work.
03:26I pass a budget every year as governor.
03:28We balance a budget every year as governor.
03:30We added, you know, 1.7 million jobs when I was governor.
03:34We increased the funding for education, for the environment, for transportation, things
03:39that people care about.
03:41Law enforcement.
03:42Up here, it's all, I mean, we're not solving problems.
03:46So, I'm going to keep working hard, I'm optimistic that, you know, it will get better.
03:50There are many from top and right now, and being from Mexico and from Latin America, one of
03:55the things that everybody's talking about is what's going on in the Caribbean and the
03:58Pacific now.
04:00And those strikes on the vessels that the U.S. have been carrying out in the last couple
04:05of weeks, and actually the last month, have been just gaining momentum because we don't
04:11know what's actually the plan from the White House.
04:13This morning, Secretary of Defense, Big Exit, announced another strike against three vessels,
04:2015 people on board from them, one survived, and Mexico is taking care of that person.
04:26What's your view, or how do you read this strategy from the administration?
04:30Well, I think the Trump administration is clear.
04:33We don't want drugs in our country.
04:36And, you know, Maduro is the head of drug cartels.
04:39He's not the president of Venezuela.
04:42Armando Gonzalez is the duly elected president.
04:45Maduro stole the election.
04:46Maria Cunic-Manchano approved it.
04:49So here's a guy, Maduro's the head of drug cartels, and Trump says, enough's enough.
04:55Maduro, as you know, has been indicted.
04:56He's been indicted for selling drugs in this country.
04:59And Trump's going to stop it.
05:01He's going to, if you're going to bring drugs to our country with these boats, you're going
05:07to die.
05:08I mean, your days are numbered.
05:10I think Maduro's days are numbered.
05:12I mean, he's not going to be in power much longer.
05:15The one, Trump has increased the money.
05:19If he's, you know, is set in prison to 50 million, I've got a bill to take it to 100 million.
05:26I think that's going to happen.
05:27So I think Maduro's going to leave.
05:30I think he should leave if he wants to save his life.
05:33Otherwise, he's going to end up like Noriega.
05:34He's going to end up in prison the rest of his life in the United States.
05:37Do you think Maduro will leave Venezuela in a Pacific way?
05:41Because he hasn't done that in many, many years.
05:44What can make him do that?
05:46I think realizing that his days are numbered, he doesn't want to end up in prison.
05:51I mean, he should look at what happened in Noriega.
05:55Noriega ended up in prison the rest of his life.
05:57And that's what's going to happen to Maduro.
05:59And so he ought to go to Russia or go to communist China.
06:03He should get out as quickly as he can.
06:04His days are numbered.
06:06So my analysts say that if the U.S. want to take Maduro out of Venezuela or overturn his
06:12regime, they can do that in a matter of hours.
06:15Why is that we just don't go and do that instead of this?
06:20I think they're giving him the opportunity to leave, and I think he's going to leave.
06:24I think he'll leave.
06:27When President Donald Trump said that he has offered everything, what do you think he refers
06:32to?
06:33Well, I think he's giving Maduro the opportunity to get out.
06:38And today Maduro hasn't decided to do it, but it's going to happen.
06:42What's the message that we in the region get, like Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua?
06:51I think the days of dictators is over.
06:55I think Maduro is going to be in Russia or China or in prison.
07:00Then when that happens, Diaz Canal falls.
07:03We're going to see freedom and liberty in Cuba.
07:06So it's going to be a golden opportunity and a golden era for Latin America.
07:10We're going to see a lot more freedom opportunity for people.
07:13People want to go back and rebuild their countries.
07:14It's going to be nice.
07:16But how will it change the policy in the region?
07:20Because Mexico this morning, President Claudia Sheinbaum said she wasn't, she didn't agree
07:25with the way the U.S. was attacking the vessels.
07:29Colombia hasn't really shown, you know, like being opposite to the regime of Maduro.
07:37So what's that message for those countries who are not happy with this?
07:40I think the message of those countries is we believe the people of Venezuela and Cuba
07:45and Nicaragua, Colombia, Brazil need to have the opportunity for freedom, need to have
07:50the opportunity to build their lives, need the opportunity for the kids to get medicine,
07:53the opportunity to go to school, the opportunity to live in safe neighborhoods.
07:57We believe in that.
07:58And we're going to help them do it.
08:00There are many chances that if Maduro decides to leave the country by himself, he can hide
08:05in another country.
08:07If he does that, what chances does the U.S. have for taking him?
08:13Well, he won't be able to travel.
08:16He won't be able to travel.
08:18I wouldn't want to live in communist China, I wouldn't want to live in Russia, but at least
08:21he won't be in prison.
08:22So I think he'll have to do what Assad did in Syria, he'll have to go to Russia.
08:27I'm sure he'll steal some money on the way, probably have some money there already.
08:32But it's going to be a lonely life.
08:34In terms of narcotrafficking and trying to stop the drugs coming into the U.S., what
08:40do you think the U.S. has to do to stop it?
08:44Because those are transnational organizations.
08:47Those are big corporations.
08:49And we know that the biggest in the region are based in Mexico.
08:52The headquarters are there.
08:54Why or what do you think the U.S. should do in terms of like really go to get the big
09:00ones?
09:01For one, we've taken their money away by shutting the border down.
09:04So now they can't make all the money that they've been making by shutting the border
09:08down.
09:09It's way harder to get the drugs in the country.
09:10So they're going to start struggling fiscally.
09:13And then I think when the United States have the opportunity and you're selling drugs to
09:17our kids, you're going to die.
09:19What do you say to all those people who are still questioning how the U.S. is attacking
09:23those vessels when they say there is no proof that the citizens have seen about them
09:28being actually tourists or those vessels are carrying packs of narcotics?
09:34Well, our military has been clear that they track this.
09:38We track it.
09:39We've been tracking this for a long time.
09:41We know what these vessels are doing.
09:44So, and by the way, if you're, don't be, don't be stupid.
09:47These, these are, these are the paths of drug, you know, of, of drug cartels.
09:52And, you know, so they, you just see, and as more of them do it, the more they're going
09:57to die.
09:58Eventually, you know, people are going to, you know, stop being one and be a part of
10:02that because they want to stay alive and be with their families.
10:04So, what you can say is we need to trust in the U.S. intelligence.
10:07Absolutely.
10:08I trust, I trust U.S. intelligence.
10:10At the beginning of the administration, President Trump and his allies, they reached out to Venezuelan
10:16government because they had this swap, right, with prisoners, U.S. prisoners in Venezuela.
10:24Nothing came from it.
10:25Well, Vendoro had his opportunity to leave, his, his, his opportunity to recognize the real
10:31leader, Ivano Gonzalez is the president, and he failed.
10:34He made a mistake.
10:35I mean, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't fight with President Trump.
10:40Yeah, I wouldn't fight with the U.S. military.
10:43President Trump is committed to this.
10:44He's committed to freedom and liberty in Latin America and it's going to happen.
10:48I think one of the biggest roles in this strategy is under Secretary Rubio.
10:55He has, I don't know if the right word is to say resentment against regimes because he's
11:00coming from Cuba, his family, he've lived this.
11:05He has lived this situation.
11:07Do you think he's one of the big heads or the authors of this strategy?
11:12Absolutely.
11:13I think Marco Rubio has done a great job.
11:15He's, he was a senator from Florida, just, just like me.
11:19If you live in Florida, you know the importance of liberty and freedom.
11:22I mean, Miami is the capital of liberty and freedom for Latin America.
11:27And so there's so many people that, you know, that are here from those countries and they're
11:30here because they don't have opportunity and they would love to go back and, and rebuild
11:33their countries.
11:34They love their countries.
11:36And so you, if you're from Florida, you, you see this all the time.
11:39My last question, Senator, what would you say about making equivalent Al Qaeda with, to
11:46narco traffickers in Latin America?
11:49That's one of the relations that Big Hexet has made.
11:52Right.
11:53Well, I think, I think what we have to realize is that, um, the Venezuelan regime has, has
11:58helped Hezbollah and Al Qaeda and all sorts of bad people, um, hurt our countries.
12:04He's, he sent criminals, murderers sent his criminals, he's, you know, emptied his prisons,
12:08sent them here.
12:09And all that is stopping.
12:11This is all going to stop President Trump is, he cares about this country.
12:14This country is going to be a safer place to live.
12:17It's going to be a better place for opportunity.
12:18Any chance that the U.S. go into land inside Venezuela, do you think that will happen?
12:23I don't think they're going to have to, but, but I wouldn't, I, you know, I wouldn't rule,
12:27I wouldn't rule that out.
12:29So, I mean, uh, so if that's, you know, Maduro is going to leave, you know, one way or the
12:36other.
12:37Do you think that will take months, weeks?
12:38I mean, I don't know how long it's going to take.
12:41Um, but if you look at what Trump's done in 10 months, he's brought his, he's made a lot
12:46of changes in the world and, and, and what he's been in office and, you know, a little
12:50over nine months.
12:51So, um, so, uh, he's going to, he's going to recreate, uh, Latin America for freedom and
12:57liberty.
12:58Perfect.
12:59I really appreciate your time.
13:00Thank you so much.
13:01Thank you.
13:02As Washington defends its operations in the Caribbean, as part of the fight against drug
13:07trafficking, the question now is how far will the United States go?
13:12Could we see an on the ground incursion into Venezuelan territory in the coming weeks?
13:17Or is this simply diplomatic pressure?
13:19What happens next could redefine America's relationship with the entire region.
13:24And next week we'll be joined by Mercedes Schlapp, former senior advisor to President Trump,
13:29to discuss the future of the MAGA movement and the growing divisions inside the Republican
13:34Party.
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