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00:00Today on This Old House, I'm in East Asheville, residing a home flooded during Hurricane
00:06Helene.
00:07And, our North Asheville project suffered extensive tree damage.
00:11Mark is here to evaluate the extent of the chimney damage, and Zach is back to help reconfigure
00:17the floor plan.
00:47Hey there, I'm Kevin O'Connor, and welcome back to This Old House and to the mountains
00:57of Western North Carolina.
00:59Six months ago, this area was hit by Hurricane Helene, and that meant record-breaking floods,
01:05landslides, and devastating tree damage.
01:09It's estimated that they lost over 820,000 acres of their trees, maybe as much as 40 percent
01:15of the tree canopy in this area.
01:18Still, there are beautiful vistas all around, like the one here right behind me.
01:23And with the first signs of spring showing up, our homeowners are starting to see progress
01:27on their houses.
01:28Down in Swannanoa, all three of our homes have gotten new roofs, work has begun outside, and
01:34drywall is going up inside.
01:38At our North Asheville project, Mark is meeting with General Contractor Larry Ward to get an
01:43update.
01:44Larry.
01:45Mark.
01:46How are ya?
01:47Yeah, good to see ya.
01:48You too, you too.
01:49Thanks for coming.
01:50I can't believe all the devastation.
01:51I'm sorry that happened.
01:52Yeah, this house really took a big lick.
01:54Yeah.
01:55Big tree fell across it, damaged about half the house.
01:58We've had to tear it down to the floor system, to the framing, just to clean it up, get all
02:03the water out of it, all the damage, and it took out part of the chimney.
02:07Yeah.
02:08I've got Don, my mason, inside to evaluate it, figure out where we're at so we can move
02:12forward.
02:13Okay, well, I can't wait to get at it.
02:15Let's do it.
02:16All right.
02:17All right.
02:18Thanks, Larry.
02:20Hey, Don.
02:22Hey, Mark.
02:23Don, how you doing?
02:25Good to meet you, sir.
02:26You as well.
02:27So, I was just outside with Larry.
02:29He told me that a tree collapsed onto the chimney and did a lot of damage.
02:32Yes, and when the tree hit the chimney, it knocked a lot of the brick that was above
02:38the roof down into the flue liners, and it's got the damper lid jammed.
02:45Okay.
02:46Believe it or not, I've seen something similar.
02:48I think you've been around long enough, you've probably seen something like this as well?
02:52I have.
02:53Yeah.
02:54I've been in a basinry a little over 55 years, and I've been probably laying brick
03:01and blocked for 50 years.
03:03Wow.
03:04So, I love the trade, love the craft, and it just becomes part of your life.
03:11Yeah, I agree with that.
03:13So, I have to admit, you have me beat by a few years, but this is going to be an honor
03:17to work together, and I can't wait to get at it.
03:19Yes, sir.
03:20You want to take a look at it there and see what the situation is, and then going to take
03:26a little bit of work to get this stuff loosened out there to where we can assess how much damage
03:30it's really done to the chimney.
03:32Oh, okay, Don.
03:34Hit it.
03:35Yeah.
03:36So, if we can slide that damper lid over to one side, maybe it can drop down.
03:42Okay.
03:46This is what's jamming me up.
03:48I think I'm going to chip this brick, and then you or I can come back and patch that.
04:16Yeah.
04:17That's no problem.
04:18We can do that.
04:19Yeah.
04:28Woo!
04:30I might have taken just enough, Don.
04:35There we go!
04:36There it is.
04:37All right, Don.
04:38Victory.
04:39Oh, yes.
04:40We won.
04:41You didn't even bend it.
04:43Okay.
04:44Actually, we got a nice smoke chamber.
04:48Of course, you can see that big chunk we have lodged in the flue.
04:52We got to get that out.
04:53Maybe you run up top.
04:55I'll stay down here.
04:57If we can get that big chunk out of there, Don, I think we're looking good.
05:01I'm going to send this hook down, and I'm going to jiggle that piece a little bit.
05:06You're doing great.
05:07Yep.
05:08All right.
05:09I'm going to pull up a little bit.
05:10Okay.
05:11You okay?
05:12Yes, sir.
05:13All right.
05:14All right.
05:15All right, Don.
05:16Feels like we cleaned her out.
05:19Yes, sir.
05:20Yes, sir.
05:21Yes, sir.
05:22All right, so I can tell this is the fireplace flue.
05:40There's a little creosote right here buildup, but do you know what that flue is?
05:43That's been an old flue for a heating unit that's no longer being used.
05:48All right.
05:49And that one's going to get closed off.
05:51Great.
05:52I like these two walls.
05:53They divide the flue chambers, which is always good.
05:56I actually think it's code.
05:57The walls don't have to be pretty.
05:59They just have to be solid, which you and I can tell these are, so I like to see that.
06:04Something that I'm not too crazy about and did have a question on is the framing.
06:08Up north, we have regulations that are going to keep the framing off of the masonry.
06:12I would assume you have the same down here in North Carolina?
06:15Yeah, this is temporary, and North Carolina building code tells us never any masonry touching wood.
06:23All right, so temporary framing.
06:25Yes.
06:26Once it's down, we're going to have our clearances.
06:28So, Don, you and I can see the general conditions of these flues.
06:31I think they look good, but we can't see like a hairline crack.
06:35We've got a chimney sweep that's going to run his camera down in there and take a look, and he'll tell us what he sees.
06:41Okay, that's going to be perfect.
06:43Mark, this is Alan, chimney sweep.
06:46Hey, Alan, how you doing?
06:47Great.
06:48I hope you are.
06:49All right.
06:50No, we're glad to see you because we know we have a little creosote in these flues.
06:52Sure.
06:53We'll go ahead and sweep it out, clean it out real good, and in that way we'll be able to see what's going on a little more accurately with our camera.
06:58Okay, and it looks like you're all set up, so ready to go?
07:01We're set.
07:02We're ready to go, yes.
07:03All right, let's get it.
07:04All right.
07:28Okay, we're going to run this camera all the way up to the top and then work our way back down with it.
07:39Okay.
07:48All right, am I seeing a crack right there?
07:50Yes, sir.
07:51That is a crack.
07:52All right.
07:54There are some large gaps and cracks there.
07:58Anytime you see black on the inside of a chimney, it's leaking somewhere.
08:03Yep.
08:04All right.
08:05Well, gentlemen.
08:06How are you, Larry?
08:07Give me a verdict.
08:08Okay, so we found a couple things.
08:09The flue chamber, a small crack in one of the flues.
08:12The mortar in between the flues is degraded.
08:15They used a type N mortar, which we don't like.
08:18And if it's going to be used as a fireplace, then I would remove this wall of brick here so that I could have access to taking the liners out, put stucco on the throat, and then come back up with new liners laid with refractory mortar.
08:37Well, gentlemen, I think I've got to go and talk to the homeowners and see what direction they want to go with this chimney.
08:43And we'll make a few decisions and start moving forward.
08:46All right.
08:47Let us know.
08:48Yeah.
08:49Thank you, guys.
08:50Thanks, Larry.
08:51Appreciate your help.
08:59Our East Asheville project also sits right on the Swannanoa River and had a ton of flooding right here.
09:07So today's project is to work on the siding, which I'm going to be helping out Will and Miguel.
09:12Hey, guys.
09:13How are you doing?
09:14Hey.
09:15Good to see you.
09:16So remind me how high up the water got here?
09:17The water was about a foot below that vent you see right there.
09:21Wow.
09:22Entire first floor, basically.
09:23Yeah.
09:24So I know that a bunch of work was done on the inside, but tell me what you guys found with the siding out here.
09:29We found that most of this trim board had a good amount of water trapped behind it, especially where it wasn't open on the backside, like the rim joists and the corners.
09:42So we started pulling all this off.
09:44It was all soaked.
09:45And as we did that, we discovered that about two, three feet up all around the house, there was a lot of mud and soaking wet.
09:53Not just clean water that got into the house.
09:55That's right.
09:56Muddy water.
09:57The mud kind of all seeped down in here and just stuck here.
10:00So soaking wet.
10:01So we started taking off siding until we found dry spot.
10:05Okay.
10:06So what's your plan of attack?
10:07We've got a cement board for siding, right?
10:10That's right.
10:11We've got the trim board here.
10:13This is new you put up.
10:14This is all new fiber board.
10:16What are we doing today?
10:17Well, today we're going to chalk some lines and do as much siding as we can.
10:23Going to work it.
10:24We're kind of working some of this backwards because we don't have windows yet.
10:28Yeah.
10:29So these are, we're waiting on these.
10:30It's part of the process that we have to do some things backwards here.
10:33But yeah, we'll kind of just side around this hole and then cut it in later.
10:37All right.
10:38All right.
10:39Go ahead.
10:44Good.
10:58I'm going to try to nail it right into the stud more or less.
11:07So this is how you're getting your profile for basically the starter course?
11:10That's right.
11:11We're going to just use the water table here as the little built-in kind of kicker.
11:15Okay.
11:16And then you guys are going to spline behind each joint?
11:20You know, here's a little piece of vinyl here for the flashing and then one nail like that
11:27will hold it right in place.
11:28All right.
11:29Then the next piece we put, we'll leave a little bit of a gap here so that-
11:33Expansion contraction.
11:34A little expansion joint.
11:35You do the caulk now or you do the caulk later?
11:37We'll let the pener take care of the caulk.
11:39This is what we call a nickel gap.
11:41About the thickness of a nickel.
11:46Now here I have no stud to nail to at this kind of joint so I'll just put an extra nail
11:55for good luck.
12:02The piece is this wide and this long.
12:04It goes quickly.
12:05That's right.
12:08So window opening, come to side casing with a cut?
12:12Are you going to run it long?
12:13Like what do you-
12:14For right now we're going to just go straight through.
12:16Trim it later?
12:17Trim it later.
12:18We have a lot of work to do trimming out these windows.
12:20We'll probably end up cutting a lot of this siding.
12:23Yeah.
12:24So I'm just going to go straight through and we'll deal with that when we install the window.
12:28Okay.
12:35Good.
12:38So what we want to do here, since we don't have a line behind this board, is just make sure we have six inches below.
13:00That's what I got.
13:01Back in North Asheville, Zach is continuing work with carpenter James Moore.
13:26Okay, Zach.
13:27We're back in the living room with our vaulted ceiling.
13:31And you can see we've made some progress in getting things built back.
13:34I know.
13:35The first thing I noticed is this beam.
13:37Yes.
13:38We had an engineer and he designed the span and the height of the beam that we need to put in in order to support this.
13:44So that we can remove a little bit more framing as well.
13:47But we've got that installed, the new rafters here, and left a few of the old rafters that were not damaged.
13:54Got it.
13:55So over here I noticed we left this wall but now this looks like a brand new wall.
14:00Did you decide to remove that?
14:01We did.
14:02We took the whole wall down because it was really not in good shape at all.
14:06It's easier many times just to go ahead and tear the whole thing down and start again.
14:10It doesn't sound right economically but really it is.
14:12You're saving on labor.
14:13So they're going to put a window, I think, in this wall.
14:16We're going to consult with the homeowners.
14:17But the big concept here is they're going to make this whole area one room.
14:22This wall is going to come out.
14:24It is a load-bearing wall, it was, but we've replaced it with the beam.
14:28So we're in good shape to tear it out now.
14:30Makes sense.
14:31You have that beautiful view that you'll be able to take in there.
14:33So what kind of, is there cabinetry going here?
14:35There is.
14:36A brand new kitchen is going to go in.
14:38There's going to be a super-sized countertop that's a part of the cabinetry.
14:44A great place to gather as a family.
14:46Really centralized here in this space.
14:48It's going to work out really, really nice.
14:51So we're ready to take this out and then we're going to continue with the subfloor.
14:56And that's the next step.
14:58So we've got some guys out here that are going to help us do that.
15:00It shouldn't take us long at all.
15:01Then we can proceed with this floor and get it down.
15:04All right, let's do it.
15:05All right.
15:27Now we're ready to take up this temporary so-called floor and put down the permanent three-quarter
15:32tongue and groove.
15:33The reason we're gluing it is to make it a part of the floor system.
15:59It won't squeak as much.
16:00And if you've ever tried to get some up with glue on it, it doesn't come up easily.
16:04So it really makes a difference to have glue.
16:06Well worth it.
16:07So let's see how this one fits.
16:09Better go there.
16:10Better go there.
16:11And she's got to come this way just barely.
16:13Oh, I have to drive it in with the sledge hammer.
16:17That's good.
16:18Okay.
16:19That's good.
16:20Okay.
16:21So let's see.
16:22That's good.
16:23All right.
16:24We have to drive to the ground.
16:55I think that's got them all, Zach.
16:59Yeah.
17:00That's finished the floor.
17:01That looks really good.
17:02Nice and clean space now.
17:04We've got it all down.
17:05It's nice and solid now.
17:07And we've got a room that is almost twice as big as it was.
17:11Absolutely.
17:12It feels like we're ready to put cabinets and drywall in here.
17:14It does.
17:15We wish we were that far along, but maybe in a few days we might be.
17:18But in the meantime, we'll carry on and keep working on it.
17:22All right.
17:23What's next?
17:24I think so.
17:25Clean it up and then try again tomorrow.
17:26See what we can get done then.
17:27Awesome.
17:28Let's do it.
17:29All right.
17:31Here in Asheville, there are two rivers, the Swannanoa and the French Broad.
17:36And each crested over 25 to 30 feet during the storm and took everything in their path.
17:43There are still hundreds of miles of public waterways that are littered with debris.
17:49With a job this big, FEMA called in the Army Corps of Engineers to head up the cleanup.
17:56We're going to Morgan.
17:57Kevin.
17:58Kevin, pleasure meeting you.
17:59Nice meeting you.
18:00Yeah.
18:01Thanks for your time.
18:02Happy to do it.
18:03So give us a sense, I guess, let's start with sort of scope of mission.
18:05You know, how big of a cleanup, how long, how many people?
18:08We're working in 14 different counties, five different towns.
18:11So all over Western North Carolina.
18:14And roughly how many personnel, how many bodies sort of out there doing the work?
18:17So I've got about 250 Army Corps of Engineers, either military or civilians that are out here.
18:23And we also have about 2,500 contractor personnel that are running the equipment, running the
18:27trucks, running the crews, actually doing the work.
18:30So we first started kind of with the right-of-way debris removal.
18:33So that's where we're asking people to push whatever the storm generated on their lot, push it out to the street.
18:39We've got the large grapple trucks rolling through, picking that up, clearing the streets, getting it out of their way.
18:44And what we're here now seeing is some of the waterway debris removal.
18:48And when you get to the waterways, like what type of debris are you pulling out of that?
18:51What's gotten into these rivers?
18:53You name it, we've probably pulled it out.
18:54Yeah.
18:55I mean, from cars, tractor trailers.
18:57Of course, we're pulling out, you know, the remnants of somebody's home.
19:00Why so important to clean up the rivers?
19:01I mean, if I can't see it, why not just leave it?
19:03There's still potential hazards for, obviously, if there's a vehicle in there.
19:07Obviously, that fuel tank has still got fuel in it.
19:09It's still got those oils and other hydraulic fluids within that.
19:13So obviously, it's critical to get those out.
19:15And then again, it's to prevent any future impact if there's any additional rain event or water event that may then take,
19:22you know, that hazardous debris and basically turn it into some type of, you know, impact further downstream.
19:28Now it's going to take out a water intake or a sewer line or a bridge or things along those lines.
19:33And so I would imagine it's always a little bit harder to work in the water than it is on the roads?
19:38Very much so.
19:39I mean, you've got to handle the material multiple times, right?
19:41So you've got to get it out of the water, basically get it onto the bank.
19:44And then from the bank, then you've got to get into the truck.
19:46We've got a lot of temporary debris management sites where we'll then take that material, we'll segregate it,
19:52and we'll pull out anything that's recyclable, we'll set that to the side.
19:55And then the construction and demolition material, that basically just gets shipped straight to a landfill.
20:00And then if there's any type of vegetative debris, what we're doing now is we've got large grinders at these debris management sites.
20:07So we're grinding a lot of that vegetative material down into mulch.
20:10So this looks like a pretty traditional excavator to me. Am I seeing that correctly?
20:14You are. The only thing different is we've basically taken off the oil-based hydraulic fluid.
20:19We replaced that with some biodegradable fluids to then make sure, you know,
20:23that's going to be a good piece of equipment to have there in the water.
20:26Every day each piece of equipment goes through a thorough review to make sure that there's no, you know,
20:30additional issues or leaks or anything before we put that equipment back in the water.
20:35But you guys deal with specialty equipment as well that sort of allows you to work in these conditions?
20:40Yes, sir. We have a lot of highly specialized logging equipment.
20:44Equipment that's designed to get into swamps and marshy areas and harvest timber.
20:48And some have a specialized cutter head so they can actually, you know, go after the timber, cut whatever cut,
20:54and then cut it to whatever length they need to cut it to.
20:57Lots to do.
20:58We're pushing hard.
20:59Yeah, good.
21:00Well, I appreciate your time very much.
21:01Yes, sir.
21:02We won't keep you from it, but thank you for that.
21:03Yeah, of course. Pleasure meeting you.
21:04Yeah, same here.
21:05Hey, Zach.
21:06Hey, Mark.
21:07Hey, Kev.
21:08How are you doing?
21:09Doing all right.
21:10Boy, this looks good.
21:11I love to see the paint.
21:12I'm here.
21:13Hey, Zach.
21:14Hey, Mark.
21:15Hey, Kev.
21:28How are you doing?
21:29Doing all right.
21:30Boy, this looks good.
21:31I love to see the paint.
21:32Yeah.
21:33How'd you guys make out inside?
21:34Yeah.
21:35So I'm sure you heard.
21:36Tree fell on the chimney, knocked a bunch of brick into the smoke chamber.
21:39Our task was to remove the brick, which we were successful in doing.
21:42So I had a good day.
21:43All right.
21:44Love it.
21:45Zach, how about yourself?
21:46Really good.
21:47James and the team, they had all the structural framing done, open concept now.
21:50They've got the subfloor down.
21:51So I think they're pretty much ready for roughing now.
21:53Great.
21:54Good to hear.
21:55And we're making some good progress to Paul's as well.
21:56Siding's being taken care of.
21:57They're ready for roughing as well.
21:58And infrastructure work is getting done around town.
21:59I just spent some time with the Army Corps of Engineers.
22:00They're getting things cleaned up.
22:01As you guys know, you go downtown, businesses are back.
22:02Businesses are open.
22:03Yeah.
22:04So I was able to buzz around a little bit.
22:05I saw a lot of that, which I was happy to see.
22:06So I think we're going well.
22:07Yeah.
22:08And every time I have a meal here, that's some of the best food I've had in weeks.
22:09Yeah.
22:10You okay being out of Jersey this long?
22:11No, I'm not.
22:12I'm pretty uncomfortable.
22:13All right.
22:14A lot.
22:15Well, Asheville is open for business.
22:16And progress continues.
22:17And we'll be back working on it here next time.
22:18So until then, I'm Kevin O'Connor.
22:19I'm Mark McCullough.
22:20And I'm Zach Detmore.
22:21For This Old House down here in North Carolina.
22:23Next time on This Old House, we're visiting the largest privately owned estate market.
22:24And I'm going well.
22:25Yeah.
22:26And every time I have a meal here, that's some of the best food I've had in weeks.
22:27Yeah.
22:28You okay being out of Jersey this long?
22:29No, I'm not.
22:30I'm pretty uncomfortable.
22:31A lot.
22:32Well, Asheville is open for business and progress continues.
22:33And we'll be back working on it here next time.
22:34So until then, I'm Kevin O'Connor.
22:35I'm Mark McCullough.
22:36And I'm Zach Detmore.
22:37Next time on This Old House, we're visiting the largest privately owned estate in the country
22:47that's also a top tourist attraction here in Asheville.
22:50It's multi-seasonal color, all these geogrid patterns.
22:55We're trying to get all the tile waterproof board up.
22:58And we're going to use a waterproof sealant.
23:01We took the old deck off and we discovered a little bit of rot here.
23:06Typical poorly flashed seal.
23:36It's Если с него слишком много.
23:37Also that you could leave the room here, matter.
23:38And we'll be seeing you next time.
23:39We'll be seeing you next time.
23:41To be, bye-bye!
23:42And see you next time, I'm gonna go back!
23:43We'll be seeing you next time!
23:44Yeah!
23:45Thanks mom!
23:46We'll be seeing you next time!
23:47Bye!
23:48Uhhh.
23:49Before we go!
23:51Yeah, I'm gonna take care of you.
23:52Have a great day!
23:53Bye!
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