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00:00On Ask This Old House, our experts travel across the country to answer questions about your house.
00:18Today, we learn about the dangers of decibels and the importance of hearing protection when working with tools.
00:25We got some peaks up above 120 decibels.
00:28Then, it's a team effort when Richard, Heath, and Nathan help a couple relocate their laundry from the basement to the first floor.
00:36We'll be able to dock right onto that.
00:38I'm going to push to you.
00:40Okay.
00:41There we go.
00:42On Ask This Old House.
00:50Steve, nice to meet you.
00:51Hi, Kevin. Nice to meet you.
00:52Yeah, thanks for coming to our little workshop here.
00:54Not often, we have a doctor in the house, but in this case, it's perfect, a doctor of audiology, because we are exposed to loud noises all of the time on the job site.
01:02What are the effects?
01:03How does it work?
01:04What's going on?
01:05Yeah, so there are many different types of hearing losses and causes of hearing loss, but like you said, what we're talking about here is what's known as sound-induced hearing loss, and more specifically, sound-induced hearing disorders.
01:16And I make that distinction because, unfortunately, with hazardous sound exposure, it's generally a package deal where you don't just get hearing loss.
01:24Not that that's trivial or something that you can shrug off, but we also get other issues such as tinnitus or tinnitus, which is a ringing or buzzing noise that generates inside our head, not from the world.
01:35I know it well.
01:36I have it too.
01:37I have it too.
01:38But what's actually causing the injury is we have these specialized cells inside of our ears, and there's around 15,000 of them per ear, and that's all we get.
01:47They do not repair themselves.
01:48They do not heal, and as of right now, we don't have any pharmaceutical or medication that can help repair those cells.
01:54They're working on it, but we're not there yet.
01:57All right, so let's talk about the damage, because not all noises are the same, right?
02:00They're not all as bad or as good as other noises.
02:03Very true, and that's one of the things that makes this concept of just sound exposure difficult, because hazardous music exposure is a little bit different than hazardous construction or tool sounds.
02:16And even within power tools, there are differences between a table saw and a hammer.
02:21Right, and you measure sound by?
02:24So we use decibel, or that's the unit of measure for sound.
02:28And the range of loudnesses that we can perceive is something that's difficult to wrap your head around.
02:34So we use a decibel scale to take this very broad range and condense it into roughly a 0 to 120 decibel scale.
02:42So 0 dB SPL is generally regarded as the threshold of hearing.
02:47So the softest sound most people can hear before we damage our ears.
02:52And that scale goes up to around 120, 130 decibels, and that's known as the threshold of pain.
02:57Oh, interesting.
02:58Now NIOSH, which is the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health,
03:02and they're the ones that do all of the research around occupational noise exposure,
03:07they would say you have 15 minutes, only 15 minutes, before you have fully exhausted your system.
03:13That's a big difference, and it's that 15 point change from 85 to 100.
03:18Absolutely.
03:19Before we get into hearing protection, is there a way that you can demonstrate to us what the levels are for different tools?
03:26Because we don't just use something like this, you know, we use all types of tools.
03:30And I'm just wondering, you know, who are the big offenders?
03:34Sure, so the easiest way to do this is with a sound level meter.
03:38And fortunately nowadays, everyone has, I guess, the power to have a sound level meter because they're free apps for your phone.
03:44Oh, really?
03:45So we can use the NIOSH SLM app, which comes from the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.
03:50And it's a very educational app, it works well with iOS, and we can use that to get a rough sense of all the tools around us.
03:57It's, of course, not as accurate as a scientific model, but it's something we all have access to.
04:02Well, if you've got the phone with the app, we've got the tools.
04:04I do.
04:05So if you break that out, I'll start grabbing some stuff.
04:07Let's see what we should start with.
04:09All right, so let's take a listen to a miter saw.
04:12Okay.
04:13And why are you all the way up there?
04:15I'm just trying to get it closer to my ears since that's where we're hearing.
04:18It's a good place to measure.
04:19Okay.
04:20So let's see what we got.
04:28How do we do?
04:29So some measurements over 100 decibels.
04:31Really?
04:32Yeah.
04:33Damage.
04:34Yeah.
04:35Well, around 15 minutes is what you would have exposed to sounds like that before you hit your daily dose.
04:41Now let's try a drill.
04:42You know, I know how loud the impact drivers are, but just a regular drill driver, I'm curious to see what you get.
04:49So we're around 85, 86 decibels.
04:54So use it for an entire day, you've used up your allotment.
04:58Right.
04:59Which we're generally not going to be drilling the whole day, but that combined with everything else, it could definitely add up.
05:04So even a hammer is louder than you might think.
05:06Let's find out.
05:07Ready?
05:13Yeah, so we got some peaks up above 120 decibels.
05:17And again, that's at a point where you should really never be exposed to that sound.
05:21And it's worth noting that this is just a free app.
05:24It's a cell phone.
05:25It's not perfectly accurate, but it does go to show how loud something is seemingly trivial as a hammer is.
05:32That's the most frightening thing, because I often think of hearing damage from that.
05:38I rarely am actually wearing hearing protection just to hammer away.
05:42Absolutely.
05:43So that's a disappointing number to see.
05:44Yeah.
05:45I think we've all said that, like, oh, I'm just hammering a nail, I don't need to wear hearing protection.
05:48But in reality, you do because that sudden burst of energy can also be even more hazardous than a loud continuous sound.
05:55So let's talk about hearing protection.
05:57A lot of different kinds out there.
05:58You got preferences?
05:59Sure.
06:00Well, nowadays, there are many fantastic earplugs that we can use.
06:04And it kind of comes down to what you're using them for and then what fits your ears.
06:08So over the ear or earmuff style hearing protection like this works very well because it tends to offer more consistent sound protection.
06:16And even ones like this offer an active element to the noise reduction so you can still hear people speak and then they will drop the volume when a loud sound occurs.
06:25It's a really nice feature.
06:26Yeah.
06:27Okay.
06:28Our typical foam earplugs, they work very well.
06:30The one difficulty with them is people tend to get them in their ears improperly.
06:35And that's what you'll see where they're sticking in doing almost nothing.
06:38Just hanging out.
06:39That's right.
06:40So in terms of like technical efficacy, are these similar if they were both worn properly?
06:48Yeah.
06:49So they have a similar noise reduction rating or NRR if worn properly.
06:53And you're doing it right now where you generally have to roll them down very thin, pull your ear back and up and insert it to the point where you almost don't even see the earplugs sticking out.
07:02Right.
07:03And then let it expand a little bit.
07:04Right.
07:05Let it expand.
07:06But a lot of people don't do that or they don't do it for very long.
07:09That's right.
07:10And one other issue with earplugs like that is they're passive so they're going to bring down all sounds equally.
07:16And then if you go to communicate with someone, ask someone for a drink at the bar or someone speaks to you, you can't hear them so you tend to take them out.
07:23So that's where newer hearing protection like some advanced earbuds and the earmuffs that we talked about that offer an active element where you can still hear someone speak and then they reduce the volume when it occurs.
07:35So the things that we're using to listen to our podcasts and our music you're saying could be used effectively in the workshop.
07:41Actually, yes.
07:42Yeah, I've used it in the workshop.
07:44I've used it at very loud rock concerts and walked away without any ringing, buzzing or fuzziness in my ears.
07:50And I don't recognize this one.
07:51What's going on there?
07:52So this is just a case, you know, there's there's so many caveats with hearing protection and I tend to think the best earplug is the one you were actually going to wear.
07:59And since most people don't obsess over hearing like audiologists do, it's very easy to leave them at home while you're going out.
08:07So the way to mitigate that and make sure that you always are ready to protect your ears is to just get a metal key chain carrying case.
08:13Yeah.
08:14Put your 20 to 40 dollar earplugs in there and then you'll always have them with you, whether you go to a festival and there's a band or a loud restaurant.
08:20So the best hearing protection is the hearing protection you have and the one you wear.
08:24That's right.
08:25Awesome.
08:26Well, thank you, doctor.
08:27We appreciate the info.
08:28Thanks for having me on the show.
08:29You got it.
08:34Hello there.
08:35Hello there.
08:36Nice to see you.
08:37Hi.
08:38I'm Jim and this is my wife, Michelle.
08:39How do you do?
08:40Richard.
08:41Nice to see you.
08:42Thank you for coming.
08:43Glad to be here.
08:44You wrote us about aging in place, something that I'm starting to get used to.
08:46Aren't we all?
08:47Yeah.
08:48So we know that we're not getting any younger.
08:51I'm 70 years old and we want to eliminate the stares in our life.
08:55Okay.
08:56So we kind of live on this first floor.
08:58So you've got the bedroom master, the primary bedroom already down here.
09:01Okay.
09:02For you guys.
09:03Yeah.
09:04They say that if you're going to, thinking about aging in place, that you do it when you
09:07can, not when you have to.
09:10Have to.
09:11And we don't have to right now.
09:12Great, great.
09:13And God willing, we won't have to for a long time.
09:15Right, right.
09:16We started renovating the bathroom with that in mind, put in safety bars and things.
09:20Great.
09:21And then we thought about the laundry.
09:22Oh.
09:23Because that was, the laundry's downstairs now?
09:24Yes.
09:25Down in the cellar.
09:26Okay.
09:27And we'd like to eliminate that, if that's possible.
09:28You want to get rid of those stairs?
09:29Yeah.
09:30Yes.
09:31All right.
09:32So you're doing some of this work yourself?
09:33We did.
09:34A little bit.
09:35We're in mid, mid process.
09:36We got stuck.
09:37Yeah.
09:38Because we wanted to convert the bathroom closet, perhaps, into a laundry room.
09:42Okay.
09:43And that's beyond our level.
09:45Okay.
09:46Well, I think I came just in time then.
09:47Yes, you did.
09:49Let's check it out.
09:50All right.
09:51Okay, Richard, this is the bathroom.
09:52As you can see, we started our renovation.
09:54You did.
09:56We had a tub here, and we knew that at some point we weren't going to be able to climb up and get in and out of it.
10:01So we took the tub out.
10:03So a nice low curb right here, and that waterproofing material we use all the time.
10:07Perfect.
10:08And we had a sink that had a cabinet.
10:10Yep.
10:11If we were ever in a wheelchair, we wouldn't be able to get underneath it.
10:14Yep.
10:15Look at that.
10:16So perfect.
10:17That's hung off the wall.
10:18Great.
10:19Yep.
10:20And an ADA compliant toilet.
10:21Does that have the bidet seat, too?
10:22Yep.
10:23It does.
10:24And this was where the closet was.
10:25All right.
10:26And that's where our question was, can we put a washer and dryer in this closet?
10:28Well, you can probably physically find a way to stack it in here.
10:31You've got a drain line right here.
10:33That looks like you could tap into that for a trap.
10:36And there's hot and cold piping.
10:37You could tap into that.
10:39And then it looks like there's actually a space we can get the dryer vent to outside,
10:42right there, right above the roof of the shower.
10:45That's great.
10:46So you're not too bad in my world, you know, but you're going to need electrical for the
10:52dryer and then your carpet.
10:54You've got plenty of carpet.
10:55You know, I have in my phone the rest of our team.
11:00You know, like Heath the electrician and Nathan the carpenter.
11:03How about we call them and make this a whole team effort?
11:05That'd be wonderful.
11:06All right.
11:07I'd love it.
11:09Let's get him on the phone.
11:10Let me see if they take my call.
11:11They have caller ID.
11:17All right.
11:18Every day is Christmas.
11:19Look who I found.
11:20The troops are here.
11:21How you doing?
11:22Hi.
11:23Nice to meet you guys.
11:24Nice to meet you.
11:25Nice to meet you.
11:26So glad you could come.
11:27Thanks for having us.
11:28The bathroom's underway.
11:29We're trying to fight the washer and dryer in.
11:31The plumbing's pretty straightforward, but we need you guys.
11:33Yeah.
11:34So for me, the first thing I want to take a look at is the panel.
11:35Okay.
11:36See if we have physical space and what it's going to take to get the new circuits up there.
11:38I can show you that.
11:39All right.
11:40I'd like to look at the space given and see what we can do.
11:42I can hook you up.
11:43Okay.
11:44Lead on.
11:45All right.
11:46All right, Nathan.
11:47Welcome to the bathroom renovation.
11:48You guys are well on your way here.
11:50Yeah, we are.
11:51This looks great.
11:52So we're talking about a washer dryer unit, right?
11:53Yep.
11:54And it looks like this is the space that you want to put it.
11:56This is what we were hoping for.
11:58Yeah.
11:59All right.
12:00So I'm sure you guys have already done it, but I'm going to get caught up and take some
12:01measurements here.
12:02We want to make sure that we have the proper clearance for the washer dryer unit.
12:06It looks like we have plenty of space, but I'm thinking about the doors.
12:09There's a lot of doors going on here.
12:11I see your hinges mortised here.
12:12This door is going to open.
12:13Yes, it does.
12:14In front of the closet, right?
12:15Yeah.
12:16You could swap the hinges over here and change the swing of the door and open it into the left,
12:20but then you still have a door here to navigate.
12:22And then once you open that, you have the doors of the washer and the dryer to navigate, right?
12:26So it's really tight with a basket.
12:28What's nice though, is we can see the backside of this wall.
12:31All that real estate that leads out to the hallway.
12:34Hallway.
12:35Perfect.
12:36Oh, yes.
12:37Oh, look at that.
12:39Probably fit, probably a two, four, six, six.
12:46That would match the existing.
12:47Get some new maple trim, blend everything.
12:49It would almost be like a paneled wall, really clean look.
12:52I see we do have a thermostat here to dance around, so Heath could probably move that for us.
12:56Excellent.
12:57All right.
12:58All right, Jim.
12:59So this is the service coming in.
13:01It looks like you got a new panel?
13:02Yes, we did.
13:03Okay.
13:04New panel and 200 amp service?
13:08Yes.
13:09Okay.
13:10It looks like this was probably existing beforehand, seeing how you have space here.
13:13That was putting with the air conditioning.
13:14Got it.
13:15So that was there, so now we have plenty of room here to grow if we need to.
13:18Looks like we have our existing dryer circuit and our washers in here somewhere as well.
13:22Am I able to reuse those circuits for the new stuff upstairs, or are you thinking of keeping your washer dryer in the basement?
13:27No, we're going to keep what we have down here.
13:29You're going to keep the machines downstairs?
13:30Yes.
13:31We're going to use it for large bulk items and things, so we don't want to drive to the house.
13:34That's actually not a bad idea.
13:35I see that more and more where that's an option.
13:37You can actually use this, especially down in the basement, come through the bulkhead, dirtier items.
13:41If you had pets, anything heavy that you want to put down there, not dragged through the clean house upstairs.
13:45That works out pretty well, especially for you.
13:47You have plenty of room to grow.
13:49So what we're going to do is duplicate the circuits you already have.
13:52We're going to put in a 20 amp, 120 volt circuit upstairs for the washing machine.
13:56And this double 30, we're going to put in for the dryer as well.
13:58Those two will plug in for the new machines upstairs.
14:00That's great.
14:01So we can go ahead and do that.
14:02Let's go find Michelle and Nathan and we'll see what we have to do upstairs.
14:04Okay.
14:07All right.
14:08A little huddle up.
14:09What do we know?
14:10I think we found a good place for the washer dry unit.
14:12We're going to come in through the hallway, put a door in.
14:14That's pretty cool.
14:15Yeah, right off the hallway.
14:16A lot of people would just sort of jam it off behind that door.
14:19I think we can make it work off the hall, so it's going to be nice.
14:21Yeah, I like that idea.
14:22I like that idea a lot.
14:23The only thing we need to do is move the thermostat.
14:25I think we can handle that.
14:27I'll just cut the wire.
14:28You wouldn't be the first.
14:30That's right.
14:31We have a wide open basement right below it, so it should be easy enough to pull down,
14:35relocate somewhere else in the hall, pull it up in a nice location, be done with it.
14:39And we have a new service.
14:40A new electrical panel, new 200 amp service, plenty of physical space for new breakers, so
14:45we can pull the lines over and come right up.
14:47And you can still keep the washer and dryer.
14:50Exactly.
14:51So we can leave the existing washer dryer, add the new one.
14:53You can do laundry on the side.
14:56All right, well, if we're going to jam that washer in, I worry about those hoses over time.
15:00They're in a place you can't get at it, so we've got to think about how to just have
15:03some access to be able to turn that water off.
15:05So either a valve's down in the basement we can get at, or an access panel so we can get in there.
15:10And I think then we could be fine, I think.
15:12I think it'll work.
15:13All right, so are we ready?
15:14Ready.
15:15All right, gang.
15:16You got the team.
15:17Let's go.
15:18Let's go.
15:19Great.
15:20Before I remove the thermostat, I want to go ahead and kill power to the boiler and its controls.
15:23All right, now that the boiler is off, I'm going to take the thermostat off.
15:28Next, I'll just take the wires out.
15:35Then I'll get the back plate out of the way, and then I'll jump downstairs and pull the wires down.
15:39I'm going to get started inside the closet by removing this rock lab.
15:44Now we're going to get started in the hallway.
15:45I'm going to start by removing the trim, the baseboard, and then I'm going to get going
15:59on the rock lab.
16:00Next, we're going to get started in the rock labs.
16:01Let's go.
16:31All right, now that we have the location of the washer-dryer going on the first floor, I can start to plan a path to running my wires.
16:38And as you can see, we have a lot going on in the ceiling.
16:40We have a bunch of pipes going in every direction, existing wiring, line voltage, low voltage, light fixtures, a little bit of everything.
16:46So it took a little while to find a path, but I think we have it.
16:49And I'm pulling two different cables.
16:51The first one I'm going to pull is a 12.2 NM cable.
16:53This is going to be the 20 amp, 120 volt circuit for the washing machine that's going to go upstairs.
16:57The second one I want to pull is going to be a 10.3 NM cable.
17:01This is going to be a 240 volt, 30 amp circuit for the dryer up here as well.
17:07Now I'm going to turn the main breaker to the house off and lock this out so no one can turn it on while I'm working on the panel.
17:13Now that the wires are in the panel, stripped, the grounds are made up, and the breakers are in place, we'll just make the connections to the breaker.
17:35We're going to start framing our rough opening.
17:37This original partition wall here was framed with 2x3 stock, so we're going to go back with 2x3 stock.
17:42We're going to go with the flush thresholds so the washer and dryer can roll in nice and easy.
17:55Now I'm going to set the jamb for the door.
17:57I'm going to use some cedar shims to plummet, and then I'm going to hang the door after.
18:12All right, we have a few things to fit into this wet wall.
18:21We've got, first of all, this washing machine valve box right here.
18:26That's going to mount into the wall, and you can see it's got a single-acting shut-off valve right here.
18:31I love that, so you can take the pressure off the hoses.
18:33And it's got a place for the drain, so that's going to be right about there.
18:37And now the drain, we're going to come off here with 2x, and we're going to come over with a trap.
18:43And it has to be 2x nowadays for any standpipe.
18:46And then the hot and the cold will be right here.
18:49We're going to come over.
18:50We're going to come over and feed our washing machine valve.
18:53We're also going to tee off, because in the future, we have to put that shower valve in that the installers will do over here, so we'll leave this capped off.
19:01We also have the dryer vet that has to fit into this very same wall, so you have to be sensitive to that.
19:06And then he's got to put his electrical somewhere here, and it all has to fit.
19:10Starts by turning off the water.
19:23I got it, Nathan.
19:51Good.
19:53So this is this interesting part here.
20:17It's a telescoping vent, and we've got the issue of the shower valve right here, so this fits narrow.
20:22And now we get it to right here, and I know that the dryer vent tapping on the back of the dryer is at 40 inches.
20:29Oh, perfect.
20:30So look at that.
20:30So we'll be able to dock right onto that.
20:32And I'm going to push to you.
20:34Okay.
20:35There we go.
20:36Keep swinging.
20:36Keep swinging.
20:37You've got door hinges over here.
20:39Keep coming.
20:53Keep coming.
20:55Keep coming.
20:56Hold.
20:57Hold.
20:59I tell you, Jim, look at the match that Nathan did.
21:01That really makes it just disappear in this hallway, doesn't it?
21:04They did, yeah, did beautiful, beautiful work.
21:07I love the unit.
21:08You picked this baby out, right?
21:09Because I've had stackables before, you know, the bottom and the top unit, but it turns out that the controls are, like, way up there and way down here.
21:16This is nice in the middle.
21:17It's very convenient, because you know, Richard, as we get older, we're not going to get any taller, and we wouldn't want to be reaching way up there for the controls.
21:24Am I going to shrink?
21:25Yes.
21:25Oh, no.
21:26We all are.
21:27I felt so tall.
21:28All right.
21:29I heard you're the laundry guy.
21:30I am.
21:31Well, this thing, I've been sweating for a couple of days with this, so I'm going to leave it with you.
21:34Okay?
21:35All right.
21:36Let's go find the boys.
21:37Okay.
21:39But it all worked out.
21:40It did.
21:40Oh, Michelle, you married a pro at laundry.
21:44He's already got a white load going.
21:46He's unreal.
21:47He's good.
21:47He's really good.
21:48He is.
21:48He is.
21:49Well, we hope you guys enjoy this thing.
21:50It's been really fun.
21:51We did.
21:52And we really appreciate all, every piece of everything you guys did.
21:57It's a great project.
21:58The boys did it.
21:59Hold on.
21:59A little bit of homework.
22:00Okay.
22:00Let's not rush this.
22:01So you guys are going to finish the bathroom.
22:03Little access panel on the side there, so you can do the shutoffs.
22:05Please also label any of the shutoffs, so if you have guests, they know.
22:09Staining.
22:09A little bit of staining to finish everything up.
22:11Just a new doorknob that matches the existing.
22:13Okay.
22:14All right.
22:14Got it.
22:15And thank you guys so much for being great fans.
22:17And writing in for this project.
22:18That was wonderful.
22:19Happy to come and do it.
22:20And I'm glad it worked out so well for everyone.
22:22And if you're a fan of the show and you want us to take a look at your house,
22:25write in to us and let us know.
22:27For the Ask This Old House, I'm Heath Eastman.
22:29I'm Nathan Gilbert.
22:30And I'm Rich Trithui for Ask This Old House.
22:32All right.
22:32Who's driving?
22:33I thought you were.
22:34All right.
22:35I'll drive.
22:35Come on.
22:35I'm going to sleep in the back seat.
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