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The Celebrity Traitors: Uncloaked - Season 1 Episode 3
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00:00Hello and welcome to another episode of the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked,
00:04the official visualized podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble.
00:08As always, this podcast is riddled with spoilers.
00:11If you haven't seen episode 3, then get yourself over to iPlayer and catch up immediately.
00:15Coming up, our latest banished faithfuls, Nico and Tamika,
00:19will be here to give us the lowdown on their castle experiences.
00:22We'll also be hearing from Tom just after he left the game.
00:25We've got the exclusive moments where I reveal to them who the traitors are.
00:29It's not to be missed.
00:30Plus, joining me in my basement to discuss everything we've just seen,
00:33we have Maddie from Series 1 and Freddie from Series 3.
00:42We have a full agenda to get through.
00:44Joe Mahler's big dog theory, suspicion rising on all three of the traitors,
00:48and of course, an early contender for the best moment of the series,
00:51Celia's fart in the cabin.
00:53But first, he couldn't keep the suspicion off him for long
00:56and was banished at the first round table.
00:58Nico will be here in just a second.
01:00But for now, let's see what he had to say just after he left the game.
01:07Hello.
01:08Welcome, Nico.
01:09Great to see you.
01:10Come in. Welcome to Unplugged.
01:11Bring it in.
01:12Come on.
01:12I need a hug.
01:13I need a hug.
01:14Absolutely.
01:15You deserve it.
01:16Grab a seat.
01:17Thanks so much for coming on.
01:18Thank you for having me.
01:19We're delighted to have you here.
01:23I mean, obviously, we'd rather you're here a little bit later in the game.
01:26That's how I feel as well.
01:27I really do wish I was here about two weeks later.
01:30Yeah.
01:31I mean, someone had to go at the first round table.
01:34I'm going to be mocked for this for a long time by my friends.
01:38Your friends are going to mock you, are they?
01:40I was talking a big game.
01:41You don't understand.
01:43I was talking a very big game.
01:44So now I'm in a situation where when they see my face, it's just going to be embarrassing.
01:50And I can't even tell them what's happened.
01:52Yeah.
01:53The moment I got in the coffin, I thought it's a long day for me because it was me.
01:58Yeah.
01:58It was Lucy and it was Paloma.
02:00Two people who everyone was saying they're the most faithful people.
02:03And then there was me.
02:04So I knew it was a clear setup from the jump.
02:06And being a big fan of the show, I know that whenever someone is put in a coffin,
02:10whether they're a faithful or a traitor, they always go.
02:14They'll always get X'd off at the round table.
02:18I think they have tried it in the past and realised it doesn't work.
02:21Exactly.
02:21That you put yourself into the situation like the dungeon in series two,
02:25and people will always suspect you.
02:27So now no traitor worth their salt would put themselves in.
02:30Never.
02:31Never.
02:31Regardless, even if people know that, they still can't get rid of that suspicion.
02:34Always.
02:35It just brings you to the front.
02:37Yeah.
02:37It's now, instead of having an option of 18 other people other than yourself,
02:42it's now you've got an option of two.
02:44Yeah.
02:44So, and when it's me against Lucy who made it so clear and obvious that she's a faithful,
02:50that's why it was a smart move from the traitors to put me in there,
02:54because it just meant that the battle became just impossible.
02:57After that, when you're out of the coffin, you know you're going into the round table.
03:01Yeah.
03:01Are you trying to come up with a plan?
03:03Are you trying to come up with a defensive argument?
03:05My mind was spinning.
03:06I was thinking, what's the best direction to go?
03:08I was thinking, do I go for Tamika?
03:10Do I go for Tom?
03:12What should I say in this situation?
03:14What should I say if this is brought up?
03:15The good thing is, because I'm telling the truth, it's quite easy to find those thoughts.
03:21Like, I didn't think there was anything where someone could say which would catch me off guard,
03:25because I felt like all I had to do was tell the truth.
03:29Yeah.
03:29But the issue was, the traitors had done such a good job at just setting it in to the group.
03:38And who knows, it might have been the traitors actually then continuing the charge on me.
03:42Like, Charlotte was very heavy on me.
03:44Jonathan was heavy on me on the table.
03:46Stephen came in on me at the table.
03:48These are big personalities.
03:50Yeah.
03:50But I think people's preconceived notions of me being a prankster, a trickster, all this type of stuff,
03:58it didn't help at all.
03:59And I think it was really good ammo for the traitors to use against me, which obviously they did.
04:04It's an exciting moment, because you get to find out who the traitors are now.
04:08I've been racking my brain thinking who it could be, so I'm very excited for this moment.
04:12Well, I want to hear the result of your brain racking.
04:14Have you got any big suspicions that you want to tell me?
04:17OK, so before the roundtable, I thought it was Stephen.
04:24I thought it was Tamika.
04:27And I thought it was Tom.
04:28Did your mind change during the roundtable?
04:32Jonathan, his reason for it being me, he's clearly been planting that from group to group, which is trait of behaviour.
04:40So Jonathan's one still has to be Tamika.
04:45There's no doubt in my mind.
04:47Tom, and then it could be Joe Marler, because he said his gut instinct was it was me when it wasn't.
04:55That wasn't his gut instinct.
04:56So that's also not true.
04:57But also could be Charlotte.
05:00I'm just going to add Charlotte as well.
05:02So let's put you out your misery.
05:03Yep.
05:04I have the important scroll here.
05:07Oh, gosh.
05:08I'll give that to you.
05:09Thank you.
05:09There you go.
05:10There we go.
05:16Jonathan.
05:18Goodness me.
05:19I'm so glad here I said that.
05:22So I can say that I changed my mind from Stephen to Jonathan.
05:25Make sure all your friends watch this bit as well.
05:27This clip will be shared everywhere.
05:31Okay.
05:31Here we go.
05:32Okay.
05:32Let's see.
05:33Let's see.
05:33Next one.
05:34Next one.
05:41Cat.
05:43She got me.
05:45Okay.
05:45Well done, Cat.
05:46Oh, so Cat set me up.
05:49Oh, what?
05:50I was so nice to Cat.
05:51I liked her a lot, but now I don't like her anymore.
05:54She set me up.
05:55She put me in the coffin.
05:59Oh, she's smart, man.
06:01She's smart.
06:10Oh, my gosh.
06:12Alan.
06:14Jonathan, Cat, and Alan.
06:16I'm fuming, so Tamika's not a traitor.
06:20I would have been gone anyways then.
06:22It's not Tom.
06:24It's Cat.
06:25Jonathan, Cat, and Alan.
06:31And he's here with me now.
06:33Welcome, Nico, to Unclosed.
06:34Yes.
06:36Great to be here.
06:36Great to be here.
06:37Welcome.
06:38It's nice to have you in a slightly more relaxed setting.
06:41I think you were saying to me just before we watched that together
06:44that you were really going through it at that point.
06:45I was.
06:46I was really struggling in that moment in time
06:48because I was still in the game
06:50and I was still trying to work out who it was.
06:52Now, obviously, I know who it was.
06:54Yeah.
06:54It's good to know that I was always right.
06:56I got a 100% hit record there.
06:58Yeah.
06:58Yeah.
06:58We've just seen it and it's clear to me that you knew who all the traitors were.
07:02I knew all of them.
07:02And your mates can't make fun of you anymore.
07:04No, they can't.
07:04And that's the best part.
07:06How do you feel now?
07:07Now you've had some time to reflect about being the first one to be banished.
07:10I'm still very gutted because I am such a big fan of the show.
07:14So I really was excited to be in that setting.
07:18But like I said there, someone had to go.
07:21Someone had to go.
07:22So, yeah.
07:23It shouldn't have been you though.
07:24Because even at the time when we were talking,
07:27I was saying that it's ridiculous that they thought you were a traitor
07:29and you put yourself in a coffin.
07:30Yeah, exactly.
07:31Watching the episode now, I'm even more angry about it.
07:34Exactly.
07:35Exactly.
07:35Because there is no way any traitor would ever do that.
07:38I've seen every single traitor season, right?
07:41Every single time that happens, they all go.
07:43It doesn't matter if you're a faithful or a traitor, they all go.
07:46They all get eliminated either at the round table or, well, yeah, at the round table.
07:51So I was baffled that everyone thought that I would put myself in that situation.
07:56That's why I was like, come on, at least give me some other evidence that it's me.
08:00Yeah.
08:00Do you think the majority of them did think that?
08:03Or do you think they were hopping on the bandwagon just to get someone out that wasn't them?
08:07Yeah, I do think there's an element of, yeah, that self-preservation where people want to keep themselves in.
08:13So they're, oh, yeah, everyone's on Nico.
08:16Someone has to go, let it be Nico.
08:18Maybe that's part of it as well.
08:20Like, I didn't know anyone going into the show.
08:23I didn't know anyone.
08:23I know that some people knew each other.
08:25Maybe it was more like, I don't want to go against my friend here, especially on the first night.
08:30Nico, he's an outsider.
08:33He can go.
08:34We should talk about this, not knowing other people in the castle, because I think you were relying on people not knowing who you were.
08:41Yes.
08:41In episode one, you saw, like, we saw that your game plan was, I don't think these people are going to know who I am.
08:47Basically, what you were saying is, these people are old.
08:49They don't know how to work the internet.
08:51They're not going to know who I am.
08:52Yeah.
08:52And then almost the first interaction you had was with Stephen Fry, who said he knew exactly who you were.
08:58Because you were famous for barging into places and pretending to be things you aren't.
09:04How do you know that?
09:05Oh, I have a sticky memory.
09:07Wow.
09:08Yeah.
09:09That really spun me.
09:10It really caught me off guard because I was like, okay, well, I knew that Stephen Fry was smart, but now I'm like, he must just see everything.
09:18Why is he watching my YouTube videos for number one?
09:20And also, it was like the way in which he knew me.
09:22It was like, yeah, you're a prankster.
09:24And obviously, I do do pranks, but that's not the only content which I do.
09:27So, that's probably the worst way for someone to know me.
09:29So, I was like, at least if someone knew my content like the back of their hand, they'll be like, he's a cool guy.
09:34He does some pranks here and there.
09:36But Stephen was like, you are a prankster.
09:39And whispering that to people around, it just got them all going.
09:42Yeah.
09:43I think at that early stage of the game when no one knows anything, something like, he's a prankster.
09:49They'd be like, well, of course, he must be a traitor then.
09:51Exactly.
09:52Of course, they'd make the prankster the traitor.
09:53Yeah, he would want to be a traitor, so he is one, yeah.
09:56You're a huge fan of the show, as you say.
09:58Huge, yeah.
09:58You've seen a lot of the traitors.
10:00What surprised you about the reality of being in the castle as opposed to watching it on TV?
10:04It's the realism of it.
10:07You live it.
10:08And I really put emphasis on live it.
10:10Like, I was going to sleep every night thinking, who the hell could it be?
10:13Like, I haven't got my phone.
10:14I haven't got any of this stuff.
10:15I'm just playing the game even when I'm sleeping.
10:17Yeah.
10:18So, I was dreaming about the game.
10:20Can you remember any of the dreams?
10:21Yeah, it's when I had an epiphany.
10:23And I was like, it's Kat, Alan, and Jonathan.
10:25Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:26And that's, yeah.
10:27But, yeah.
10:28I was going to reveal that on the roundtable the day after, but couldn't do it.
10:32Couldn't do it because they voted me out.
10:33I know you weren't there for very long, but did you strike up any friendships with anyone?
10:37Yes.
10:38I struck up a great friendship with Paloma, which is why, like, when I hugged Paloma, because
10:43I was like, one of us might get killed here.
10:45Yeah.
10:46So, I went and gave her a hug.
10:47And then it ended up being evidence against me at the table, which was just, I was like,
10:51So, I was so confident in Paloma being a faithful, and then people ended up using Paloma as evidence
10:58of me being a dirty traitor.
11:00See, you can't do anything in there, can you?
11:02No, you can't.
11:03So, you're hugging someone goodnight that you've made friends with, and next thing
11:05you know, they're dead, and you've killed them by hugging them, apparently.
11:08And I thought I was friends with Kat, but I've still got that knife in my back.
11:13Look, your time might have been short, but I hope you enjoyed it.
11:15Did you have a good time in the short time you were in here?
11:17Yes, I did.
11:18I did enjoy the show, yeah.
11:19Can you sum it up in three words for me?
11:23Not long enough.
11:25Beautiful.
11:26Absolutely beautiful.
11:27It's been a pleasure having you on the show.
11:29Thank you so much.
11:29A massive round of applause for Nico!
11:31Thank you, everyone.
11:32Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
11:34Well, still to come, we'll be hearing from Tom, but next, Maddy and Freddie will be here
11:39in the studio, along with our second banished player, Tamika.
11:42Here's the moment I caught up with her after she left, and I revealed who the traitors are.
11:50Oi-hoi!
11:52Hello, Tamika.
11:55Eddie!
11:56How you doing?
11:58Mate!
11:58Oh, you put the fire on for me.
12:00Just for you.
12:01There we are.
12:01Oh, I love that.
12:04Welcome to Uncloaked, Tamika.
12:06Thank you for having me.
12:07We're delighted to see you.
12:08We're delighted to meet you, but we're sad you're out at this stage of the game.
12:11Mate, no more than me.
12:13No more than me.
12:14I am so glad that I'm out.
12:16So after that first traitors pick, people said that you were a bit quieter.
12:22There was a suspicion around you because they said you'd changed a little bit after the traitors pick.
12:27I don't understand the change.
12:28Up until today, I do not understand the change.
12:31I will say I was slightly disappointed that Claudia didn't, you know, give me a shoulder to inch.
12:37You know, she didn't do that.
12:38But at the same time, for me then, I was processing.
12:43I thought, OK, now I'm a faithful.
12:45How do I play the game as a faithful?
12:47Because in my mind, I've always been a traitor.
12:49So now it is like, OK, how do I do this?
12:53So in the end, unfortunately, you couldn't convince enough people and you were banished.
12:58But with only four votes, that's all it took to banish you.
13:00I'm so upset.
13:02And I even messed up my outro as well.
13:05I want to cuss and carry on and leave it with Mark.
13:08Like, Mark.
13:09I didn't even get time to do that.
13:11Yeah.
13:11But it is what it is.
13:12But I'm hoping this is out.
13:18Saying nothing.
13:19I'm saying nothing.
13:19Of course you're not saying anything.
13:20I'll get in trouble.
13:20No one says anything in Scotland.
13:23Nobody says anything.
13:25This is the exciting bit.
13:26Because you're about to find out who the traitors are.
13:28Who do you think might be a traitor?
13:30Mark.
13:31We've got Mark in there.
13:33Too quick.
13:33It's not too quick at all.
13:35Why do you think it's Mark?
13:36Take us through all of the reasons.
13:37I think Mark.
13:39Because I think we were getting close and he didn't like that.
13:42And he could see that I was going to get him.
13:46I think Miss Sealy.
13:49I think she would love the cloak.
13:51I don't want it to be her.
13:52But I think it could be her.
13:54I'm thinking Nick.
13:55Nick.
13:56Yeah.
13:57He's very smart.
13:59Yeah.
14:00And, you know, he can play up on the baby face.
14:03Let's talk about your guaranteed faithfuls.
14:06Jonathan.
14:06Yeah.
14:07I think it's a faithful.
14:08I'd be gutted if he's a traitor.
14:11Claire.
14:11Claire.
14:11I don't think Claire.
14:14Ruth.
14:14Mm-hmm.
14:15As well.
14:15I don't think Ruth.
14:16So, look, we've heard your traitor suspicions and you're guaranteed faithful.
14:20So, now it's time for you to see who the traitors are.
14:24Wow.
14:24What is your scroll?
14:25Oh, here we go.
14:31Here we go.
14:32Here we go.
14:35No!
14:36Jonathan!
14:37But he was so nice!
14:39You see, now, I thought he might be, but I thought, no, I don't want it to be Jonathan.
14:44No!
14:45He was one of your guaranteed faithfuls.
14:47At the beginning, I thought, could he be?
14:49But then I thought it might be obvious.
14:50But he was so nice and welcoming to me.
14:53Should we have a look at the next traitor?
14:54I don't know!
14:56Can we not get a commercial break?
14:58Not on the BBC!
14:59Oh, of course, of course.
15:01Oh, my God, I don't know if I can do this now.
15:04It's, it's, it's, okay, it's, it's, it's this.
15:14Meow!
15:17Meow!
15:21Really?
15:22Yes, really, we wouldn't lie to you now.
15:24Kat is a traitor.
15:26You had no suspicions over Kat.
15:28No.
15:29You seem more surprised by Kat than Jonathan.
15:31Yeah.
15:33I really am.
15:35Oh, no, maybe I don't know how to play the game.
15:38I don't know.
15:40Should we have a look at the next one?
15:42Just have the brandy on standby.
15:43Alan!
15:44Alan!
15:45You know something?
15:55I want to go back.
15:56Where's the driver?
15:57No, Alan!
16:00Alan!
16:00And these are real?
16:03These are real?
16:03We wouldn't make them up now, Tamika.
16:05Do you think you're still in the game?
16:07Do you think this is...
16:07Can I find this in the fire?
16:11I've had it now.
16:15And a very warm welcome to the podcast, Tamika, Maddy and Freddie!
16:19Yay!
16:22Tamika, we're absolutely thrilled to have you here, of course.
16:24We wish it wasn't under these circumstances.
16:26I know, me too, Eddie, me too, me too.
16:28Yeah, but you're here, but it's good we get you in early
16:31because I was excited to see you again.
16:32Bless you, my love, I miss you too.
16:34And you two, of course.
16:35Thank you.
16:36You two, of course.
16:37Lovely to have you back, Maddy.
16:38Thank you.
16:39And Freddie, welcome back.
16:40Finally getting to watch the show and not being involved in it.
16:42Thank you.
16:44Maddy, I've got a question to ask you.
16:45As someone who's snooped a lot in the castle,
16:47when you were snooping, did you tell people you were snooping?
16:50I think so.
16:52It's good to lay all your cards out.
16:54Maybe it's an actor thing.
16:55You just be honest and say it how it is.
16:58But I love you on EastEnders, by the way.
17:00Bless you, my love, Maddy.
17:02You do so much for the square.
17:04You really make everyone laugh and then they treat you like this.
17:07I know.
17:08Around the round table.
17:09Respect, Maddy.
17:10I know.
17:10Do you know what I mean?
17:11She's doing her being.
17:12I'm glad that you understand, babe.
17:13I love it.
17:14Tamika, you were obviously very shocked by who the traitors were
17:16when you found out.
17:17Oh, I was so shocked.
17:19But now you've had a bit of distance.
17:20Is there one in particular that you were more shocked by than the others?
17:23In the back of my mind, I thought, Jonathan.
17:27I thought, no, he's nice.
17:28It's nice.
17:29It can't be him.
17:30It can't be.
17:31And then, of course, it was him.
17:33Yeah.
17:33So, funny enough, it was Jonathan that said to me,
17:37oh, everybody's going for Nico.
17:38You should say Nico.
17:39And I'm like, hello.
17:41Is that a trait of behavior?
17:42Yeah.
17:43And then I thought, well, actually, no,
17:45because he hasn't shown me anything to show me that he is a traitor.
17:49So, I didn't vote for Nico.
17:51And I really felt for Nico.
17:53I think he got done dirty from misconceptions of,
17:55because he's a great gamer and stuff like that.
17:57So, I think people would have already,
17:58that's what I'm saying with celebrity traitors,
18:00you all kind of know each other.
18:01Whereas when we went in it, we're all random strangers.
18:03Yeah.
18:04I could be like, I mean, you could tell if I was lying anyway.
18:06But you could, I don't know what these people are like.
18:08So, like, it doesn't matter.
18:09But when you guys, you know what everyone's like.
18:11Well, everyone's grasping at straws anyway, right?
18:13Yeah.
18:13They've almost gotten them before they even go into the castle.
18:16They're like, well, he does pranks on YouTube.
18:17So, we could probably use that.
18:19You know, you're an actor.
18:20We might be able to use that sort of thing.
18:22Yeah.
18:22So, let's talk about the missions, Tamika.
18:25In this episode, we saw you being greeted by druids.
18:29Firstly, how did it feel seeing those guys?
18:31They seem pretty intimidating.
18:32Mate, I don't do horror films.
18:35Why?
18:36I don't do horror films.
18:37I don't do forests.
18:39I don't do mud.
18:41So, hang on.
18:42What do you mean you don't do forests?
18:43You don't want to go in them?
18:44You don't want to look at pictures of them?
18:45If I don't, if we're driving through it,
18:47we can drive through.
18:48I don't want to stop.
18:48Yeah.
18:49And then once we got into the cabin,
18:51I thought, do me a favour.
18:53Well, let's remind ourselves of that moment.
18:56Oh.
18:57It's filling up, though.
18:58It's filling up.
18:59It's filling up.
19:00You're not going to drown, Tamika, are you?
19:04Are you all right?
19:04Do you want to go?
19:05I just want to get out.
19:06I can't help you.
19:07I can't help you in here.
19:09Yeah.
19:10Yeah.
19:11I thought I was going to drown.
19:12Because it was filling up.
19:13It wasn't filled.
19:14It was filling.
19:15Yeah.
19:15I mean, even before all the water started
19:17and you were locked in the cabin,
19:19it wasn't long until things got scary and stinky.
19:22Quite literally, Celia's fart.
19:24Let's have a look.
19:26Welcome to the worst team building away day experience in history.
19:36What just happened?
19:38I just farted, Claudia.
19:40Oh.
19:42She's amazing.
19:43Celia.
19:43I love that she owned it.
19:45That was so brilliant.
19:47So true.
19:48Absolutely.
19:48Just let it go if you need to.
19:50Yeah, let it out.
19:50Own up to it.
19:51Everyone loved her for it.
19:53I don't think there's anyone else who could have gotten away with that.
19:55I don't think so.
19:56But under pressure as well, you just can't control your bowels.
19:59Do you know what I mean?
20:00I only fart once every six months.
20:03Honestly.
20:04Okay.
20:05Maddie, what are you talking about?
20:06No, I'm serious.
20:07I hardly fart.
20:08I wish I only farted once every six months.
20:10And I will say as well that Celia has approved that being included.
20:15In this case, it's better in than out.
20:17Yeah.
20:18Exactly.
20:19Let's hate for me, Celia, guys.
20:21Yeah, I love her.
20:23Yeah.
20:23One of the finest television farts of all time.
20:26Well, it's time to hear from our final player, Tom.
20:29Here's what happened when I met him just after he left the game,
20:32including him finding out which dastardly traitors murdered him.
20:35Welcome to Unclog.
20:45Oh, thank you.
20:46Thank you so much for coming.
20:47Take a seat.
20:48I can't believe I'm dead.
20:52How does it feel to be murdered?
20:54You know, it feels painful to get murdered.
20:58I went in there wanting to be a traitor, mainly because I like control.
21:04So I feel like that would have been a good opportunity to be able to control it.
21:06But then as soon as I started playing as a faithful, I loved that as well,
21:11because it was then I wanted to regain as much control as possible.
21:15And my whole game plan was to try and fly under the radar,
21:18and then I couldn't keep my mouth shut.
21:19I think this is an issue a lot of people are having in there, though.
21:24Yeah.
21:24I think people are trying to be quiet and trying to...
21:26But this is not why anyone's a celebrity.
21:28No one's a celebrity because they're a wallflower, right?
21:31Keep your mouth shut.
21:31Yeah, exactly.
21:32They're used to gabbing.
21:33Now, this is a very exciting moment.
21:35Oh, I'm actually nervous.
21:35And I know it's a moment you've been waiting for for a long time.
21:38You're going to find out who the traitors are.
21:40I'm going to make you wait a little bit longer.
21:42Because I want to know from you who you think they are.
21:45Before I reveal it.
21:46Claire and Kate were people that I was on quite early on.
21:51So why did you think Claire and Kate?
21:53Well, there's just something about them that just felt like it changed,
21:56and they started taking way more control than they did have
21:59in terms of the presence they had before the roundtable.
22:03Celia certainly got way more confident after the roundtable,
22:07the way she kind of like danced into the bar.
22:09I was like, what?
22:10You didn't say anything to me before.
22:12And then all of a sudden, and I was like, what's going on here?
22:15And then also she was saying, these traitors are so smart.
22:19And I was like, it would be genius if she was a traitor to back her up.
22:24I think Stephen could be a traitor.
22:27Alan, I think, because I confided in him a lot.
22:32I think he would make a great traitor.
22:33He was very easy to deflect with humor and just kind of like change the stuff.
22:37Oh, yeah, I'm a killer.
22:39And I'm like, well, yeah, you could be actually.
22:41And then Lucy, towards the end, made me think, oh, you could be a great traitor
22:48because you'd give off the innocent act.
22:49And actually, I feel like you've got some daggers in there somewhere.
22:54OK.
22:55Oh, I kind of don't want to know.
22:57Yeah, all right.
22:58I'll just chuck it in the fire.
22:58Don't chuck it in the fire.
22:59I want to know.
23:00There we go.
23:01Oh, my gosh.
23:02I'm actually really scared about this.
23:04So one by one, let's see the names.
23:06Jonathan.
23:18Not mentioned there by you beforehand.
23:20No.
23:21I can see that.
23:22So it makes sense to you, Jonathan.
23:24Yeah, I think it can make sense.
23:26Like, it's the game, isn't it?
23:27Like, you've got to go undetected.
23:29Yeah.
23:30Can I guess the next one?
23:31Yeah, let's see if this person makes sense.
23:32Cat.
23:41But why would they get rid of me?
23:44Out of Jonathan and Cat, I don't understand why they would kill me yet.
23:48You wanted to rattle the tracers,
23:49but do you think maybe you rattled them slightly too much?
23:51That might make sense why I've been murdered.
23:53Can I go to the next one?
23:55Yes.
23:55There it was.
24:03You said Alan.
24:05It makes sense.
24:06That first night, you know, we had this thing and I looked him in the eye and I was like,
24:10you're a traitor.
24:10Like, I said something about him being a traitor.
24:12And then he went, yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:13And then he turned away, like, really quickly.
24:15Yeah.
24:17I just didn't want it to see it be Alan.
24:20But you got it right.
24:21You should be happy.
24:22Yeah, but I'm not in the game anymore.
24:24It doesn't matter.
24:25Oh, OK.
24:28Well, can I find out how they got killed in plain sight?
24:31I can't tell you that, Tom.
24:31You're joking!
24:36So, Tom got it right with Alan, but he never brought it up at the round table
24:41and it didn't matter anyway because they murdered him.
24:44How cruel a move do you think it was to murder Tom, Freddie?
24:47I can't believe Tom's head has gone out this early,
24:49but I would say if you just look at his face, he just gives faithful.
24:53There's no world where he would be a traitor.
24:55He's very cute.
24:56So, like, I just, it's probably an obvious choice to murder him, unfortunately.
24:59But he did have a bit of heat on him.
25:01There was some discussions about Tom at the round table.
25:03So, why would you as a traitor then murder someone
25:07who might come up for banishment the night after?
25:10Because he's, like, the adorable one.
25:12Like, he's not the one that you're going to want to murder.
25:13So, you don't think he would have been banished?
25:15No, I don't think so.
25:16Unless it whittled down to near the end and you're like, oh, double bluff.
25:19I'm not sure. I think he might have been.
25:19He might have been banished, I think.
25:21So, we've got Joe Marler talking to Joe Wilkinson
25:24about what they're now calling the big dog theory.
25:27Love that.
25:28Jonathan Ross leading the traitors, Stephen Fry leading the faithful.
25:31I think it's a genuinely brilliant theory.
25:33To give it a name as well, the big dog theory,
25:36he brought it up at the round table as well.
25:37Did you consider that that was maybe the case, Tameka?
25:41Yeah, because you've got the big personalities
25:43and also they're quite tall as well.
25:46Do you know what I mean?
25:47Quite intimidating as well, especially to me anyway.
25:51Do you know?
25:51And it is one of those things where, you know,
25:53he could be the favourite because Stephen is so intelligent.
25:56Yeah.
25:56Do you know what I mean?
25:57You could just say one subject and he will just talk
26:00and you will be educated.
26:01You just marvel at his brain.
26:04Yeah.
26:04Do you know what I mean?
26:05And then again, equally in a different way,
26:08Jonathan as well.
26:09He's got a big personality
26:10and he's very comfortable to talk with.
26:15And you could see that he could easily lead you down the wrong road.
26:18I think with Jonathan, that'll be his downfall
26:20because he's very talkative and I think he'll just say the wrong thing.
26:24Like he's already done it to Ruth saying about the alliance thing.
26:26I think he doesn't realise how much he's talking.
26:28Kat, on the other hand, is very under the radar.
26:31And everything she said, she's thought about.
26:32She's like, you can tell, there's been a lot of like detail and strategy
26:35and that was Jonathan kind of like, even when he said to Alan,
26:37like, do you have a few words?
26:38Like, that's a bit like backstabbing kind of.
26:40Yeah.
26:40Yeah.
26:41So the episode ended with the traitors discussing who they're going to murder
26:44and it's between David, Ruth and Charlotte.
26:48Which of those do you think would be the smartest move by the traitors?
26:52David.
26:52David, yeah.
26:54He looks, he's got glasses, he looks intelligent.
26:55They better not kill Ruth, you know?
26:58I think if they kill Ruth, that's going to be a bit much.
27:00So out of order.
27:00I think Charlotte.
27:03Yeah, I think Charlotte or David.
27:05Just not Ruth.
27:05Just not Ruth.
27:06Protect Ruth or she's getting it right.
27:08Yeah, I agree.
27:09She's amazing.
27:10Now, Tamika, you said you were unhappy with the exit speech that you gave.
27:13So we on Uncloaked would like to give you an opportunity
27:16to redo your leaving speech.
27:19So please, finally get it off your chest.
27:22What did you want to say?
27:22I would have said, no.
27:28No, no, no, no, no.
27:29I'm not going.
27:32Because I'm the best person you've ever had in here, Claudia.
27:36And there's no way I'm going to go.
27:37No, no.
27:39No, no, no, no way I'm living without you.
27:42You're going to live without me.
27:44I'm not going to be free.
27:48Because I'm staying.
27:50I'm staying.
27:51And you and you and Mark, you're going to love me.
27:55Is what I would have said.
27:57Is what I would have said, guys.
27:58Yes, Tamika.
27:59Is what I would have said.
28:01Merci for crew, guys.
28:03Tamika, it's been an absolute pleasure having you here on Uncloaked.
28:06Thank you very much for being here.
28:07And if you're craving more, then head over to BBC Sounds for the bonus episode where the chat continues.
28:13We'll be getting more exclusive intel from Tamika and getting Freddie and Maddie's perspectives as former players.
28:18Scan the QR code on screen now.
28:21We'll be back after episode four for more Uncloaked goodness.
28:24But until then, I'm Ed Gamble.
28:26Stay faithful.
28:37We'll be back after episode four for more Uncloaked goodness.
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