The Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked Season 1 Episode 5

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00:00Hello and welcome along to the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked, your official visualised companion

00:05podcast with me, Ed Gamble. Now you know the drill, make sure you've watched episode 5 before

00:10you dive into this, because there are spoilers galore. Coming up, Charlotte Church chats to me

00:15fresh from murder and I reveal the identity of our traitors. Her reactions are priceless.

00:21We'll be hearing from another dearly departed faithful, it's king of the side eye, Tom Daley.

00:25Plus, it's two for one on faithful finalists, as Alexander and Leanne return from Series 3.

00:37Alexander, Leanne, such a delight to have you on Uncloaked. We were hoping to have Helen Mirren

00:41as well, but I'm too young to know who she is, sadly. Not a clue. And was it Julie Dench?

00:46No idea. I am Gen Z. Look, we've got another packed episode to feast on. We've got Charlotte

00:54Church is coming up. Mere minutes. But first of all, the mother of all cliffhangers, the

00:58roundtable vote is a tie. Players, it is still a draw. Therefore, we will now leave this banishment

01:08to the hands of fate. It's a double deadlock. This has never happened before. This has never

01:14happened before in the history of UK traitors. Yeah. So this is absolutely huge. So tense.

01:19Obviously, you guys did not go through this, leaving up a banishment to fate. But do you

01:24have any sense of how they might be feeling? You obviously know how tense the roundtables

01:27are anyway. But with that on top of it, how are those guys feeling?

01:31I mean, it's a lot, isn't it? Because if you're voted out, that's one thing. You say,

01:35well, I played the game the best I could. And unfortunately, I got voted out. I kind of

01:38know how that feels.

01:41But it's an honest exit, right? You did what you could. You didn't make it. That's fine.

01:45But I think it's different being thrown out with chants. You'd always look back and say,

01:49well, if only the coin had fallen differently or whatever they use. I hope it's really theatrical.

01:53Is the traitors. Yes. Because we don't know what it means yet. We don't know how their

01:58fates are decided. Well, it's just going to be a bit disappointing for whoever goes out,

02:02isn't it? Rock, paper, scissors. Yeah, I think that sounds reasonable.

02:05Yeah. Or maybe an arm wrestle. Maybe we just go, oh, spin the bottle or something like that.

02:10I think spin the bottle might be a different game. It ends differently, doesn't it?

02:12Spin the bottle, yeah. How would you feel if you were in that situation, Leanne?

02:17Oh, horrible. Not the spin the bottle thing, I mean the specifically.

02:20Well, not too bad. I think we should move on.

02:24Oh, honestly, I think, you know, because it would be such a sinking feeling. Like Alexander

02:29just said, they hadn't been voted out. Yeah. You know, it's literally left to chance.

02:33We don't know how yet, but, you know, if I left the game from a toss of a coin, say,

02:38for example, I'd be devastated. Yeah. What a cliffhanger.

02:41Well, look, whether it's David or Mark that gets banished, one of them is going to be with me

02:45tomorrow night on Uncloaked, telling me everything. Now, though, we have another murdered player

02:50and to everyone's shock, it was Charlotte Church. Straight after she was offed by a banshee,

02:55Charlotte sat down with me in Scotland as I revealed who the traitors are.

02:58Hi, Charlotte. Hi. Welcome to Uncloaked. Thank you so much. It's so good to be here.

03:09Happy to be here. Have a seat. Join me by the fire. Wonderful.

03:16Very excited to have you here. Of course, the circumstances could be happier.

03:20Yes. You are no longer in the traitors game. No.

03:24But I think you had a pretty good stint. Are you happy with the time you got there?

03:27I'm happy with the time I got there. I feel like I had an experience of most things.

03:31I'm sad that I didn't get to experience getting out a traitor.

03:35But I also think that I would have found the intensification, is that a word?

03:43But the intense nature of the game and that becoming progressively more pronounced,

03:48that would have been quite difficult for my little sensitive self.

03:52Let's talk about the missions. Yeah.

03:54Because you got stuck in straight away, that first mission before you'd even been in the castle.

03:58Yes.

03:59Digging through the grave looking for a shield. Yes.

04:01Were the missions something you were looking forward to?

04:02Yes, absolutely. I think that that was a big part of why I wanted to come in,

04:08to have a challenge, have an adventure.

04:10And, you know, those ones which are enormous, like the Trojan horse was,

04:17I mean, it was just so brilliant to be part of that.

04:21But, yeah, the first one, as soon as those Land Rovers sped out,

04:25I was like, hang on a minute. All is not quite as it seems.

04:30And, yeah, I mean, being in the soil is one of my favourite things to do.

04:34And so I had no problem with digging my own grave.

04:38Now, you were very sure you were going to be murdered.

04:41Yes.

04:41You were bang right.

04:43Yes, I was.

04:45Why did you think that? Why did you feel like you were going to be offed?

04:48I feel like probably because I was so vocally a faithful

04:54and then I was, I think, good at representing myself as a faithful,

04:59then I don't, I think that the traitors couldn't use me

05:03as sort of a diversionary tactic in terms of trying to frame me as a traitor.

05:07And so then what use was I to them, actually,

05:12where hopefully, hopefully I might have become, you know,

05:18more discerning as the game would have gone on.

05:22And, yeah, so I think that I would have been a threat to the traitors

05:26had I stayed.

05:27And then, yeah, I couldn't, it would have been difficult for them

05:32to really frame me as a traitor.

05:34And maybe a couple of them did vote for me at the round table,

05:37potentially, and it wasn't really sticking,

05:39so they thought, she's of no use to us.

05:42Let's pop her off.

05:44Rather excitingly, we are going to tell you who the traitors are.

05:49You're going to find out for yourself.

05:51I'm going to hand you a scroll. It's right here.

05:52OK.

05:53But before I do that...

05:54Chomping at the bit.

05:55I'm going to make you wait. I'm going to make you wait.

05:56OK.

05:57Because I want to know who you think the traitors are.

05:59So, by the end of my time,

06:02I think my suspicions were on Mark, Jonathan and Celia.

06:08OK.

06:09Those are your top three?

06:10They were my top three.

06:12Why Mark?

06:12Mark, because he seemed to be...

06:16I could feel him acting at the round table.

06:20Also, how hard he went for Tamika.

06:24And then, with Jonathan,

06:26I think that, again,

06:28he was becoming more and more of a patriarch.

06:33Mm-hm.

06:33And he didn't seem to be driving himself as mad as everybody else.

06:38OK.

06:39And who are your definite faithfuls?

06:41I don't think anybody.

06:43LAUGHTER

06:44Maybe Nick.

06:48Maybe Kate.

06:50Maybe Kat.

06:52But that's it.

06:53OK.

06:54It's the moment, Charlotte.

06:55I'm going to hand you this.

06:57The names of the traitors are on here.

06:59We'll go one by one.

07:00OK.

07:00There you are.

07:01Oh, my gosh.

07:02This is so exciting.

07:05Oh, goodness me.

07:08Oh!

07:11Jonathan.

07:14Jonathan!

07:15And you said Jonathan.

07:17I did.

07:17You're one for one so far.

07:19One for one.

07:20Cat!

07:20Oh!

07:21Cat!

07:22So she's one of your close to 100% faithfuls.

07:34She is.

07:35Oh, my gosh.

07:35She's playing an exquisite game.

07:38I really wanted to believe that she was faithful as well.

07:43Here we go.

07:44Alan!

07:51Alan!

07:53Didn't cross your radar at all, seemingly.

07:55Oh, my good gosh.

07:59Oh, my days.

08:01Alan, you sneaky little Alan.

08:04Alan!

08:06Oh, gosh, Paloma.

08:10She must have been fuming.

08:13Oh, my days.

08:15I think that Jonathan has probably not got long.

08:19But I think that Cat and Alan,

08:22that is going to be tough.

08:25Wow.

08:26Wow.

08:30Great reflections from Charlotte there.

08:33Charlotte hasn't been without heat at the round table.

08:35But these traitors don't seem to care about that.

08:38They don't seem to want to just leave people to be banished.

08:41But I do think Charlotte would have been a threat to the traitors.

08:44I think she's a very, very clever woman.

08:46Yeah.

08:46I think she did all the right things, right?

08:48She wasn't too faithful, in my view.

08:51She had some heat on her.

08:52She wasn't too, sort of, dodgy as a traitor.

08:55So it wasn't obvious to banish her.

08:57She was right in the middle, which is where you want to be.

09:00And she was good at the mission.

09:01So I think she got unlucky.

09:02I think she played it really well.

09:04Well, some times passed.

09:05We were desperate to catch up with Charlotte again.

09:07But she's sadly unavailable today.

09:09So she sent us a video message and started by telling us what it's like watching the show go out.

09:14It's been great watching the show go out so far.

09:18I mean, I enjoy traitors anyway.

09:21I hardly watch any telly at all.

09:23But I do enjoy traitors.

09:25And so, yeah, it's just so juicy and everybody's so interesting.

09:28You know, you've got some really amazing people and characters and brains and experience in that cast.

09:35So it's been really great to watch.

09:39And I, like I think most of the nation, have fallen madly in love with Celia Emery.

09:43I'm getting lots of love from my friends and family and I've been having a lot of people coming up to me in the street.

09:53The postman the other day was like trying to get some information out of me, trying to catch me off guard.

09:59When I phoned for a doctor's appointment the other day, even they mentioned it, making reference to my girls.

10:06And that was a little bit awkward.

10:11I think my favourite moment of the series was probably Celia's pop.

10:21Which was just amazing.

10:23Just because she's so cheeky and mischievous and like, yeah, she's just so regal and fabulous as well.

10:32And also, I just love farting.

10:34I love farting in all of its forms.

10:38I think we should all be doing more fluffing.

10:43Great value, as always, from Charlotte.

10:46Leanne and Alexander, what are you going to miss most about Charlotte from the game?

10:49Oh, her energy.

10:50She's so, she's got so stuck in.

10:52In the missions, she's not holding back.

10:53Her head was straight in that water.

10:55I'm not sure my head would have been in that water as fast as her, so I can't lie.

10:59Now, we saw in Charlotte's castle chat that she also suspected Mark.

11:03Mark, so there's so much suspicion for him.

11:05I mean, if Charlotte had still been in, it wouldn't have been deadlock.

11:08Because I think she would have gone for Mark as well.

11:09What do we think Mark can do if he escapes this banishment?

11:13What do we think he can do to bat suspicion away from him?

11:15I think I always had a sort of plan.

11:19I had notes on how I would push suspicion away.

11:21First, absorb and say, you know, yeah, look, that's a fair point.

11:24I can see what you're saying.

11:24It's this and it's this.

11:25And you make a good point on that.

11:27But I would also say, and then you lay out your defence, but you do it quickly, right?

11:31You just want as little time on you as possible.

11:33And that's where the third thing comes in that you say, actually, have you thought about David?

11:37Because what I'd be looking for is somebody who has been quiet for a while or whatever it is that they've done.

11:43It doesn't really matter what they've done.

11:45You just need a principle and then make them stick to that principle and then move it on.

11:49Somebody who's really starting to find his voice is Nick.

11:52Now, Nick is obviously very suspicious of Kat, but his gameplay around this is fascinating.

11:57Kat has been playing an absolutely brilliant game.

12:00And there was something in the fact that, you know, she had the shield, but we chose to not tell everyone that she had the shield.

12:08I didn't buy that.

12:09And I do think she's slipping under the radar in the most brilliant way.

12:12But I don't think I'm going to name her at this point because I think it's safer to align myself with her.

12:20How do we rate Nick's strategy here?

12:22Do you know what?

12:22It can go one way or the other.

12:24It could be a really good idea, you know, to build an alliance with Kat.

12:27Because obviously she's a traitor.

12:29But we could have another season two jazz where he might leave it too late and then no one's going to listen to him at the end.

12:37And then he's lost it.

12:38He's playing his own little game, isn't it?

12:40Personally, I love it.

12:42I think this is great gameplay.

12:43Find a traitor, sit close to them and then ride it a little bit towards the end of the game and then turn.

12:49I think that maintaining your behaviour is so important in the game.

12:53In the first couple of episodes, as we've seen, if you do something that stands out, you run risk of just being banished for that.

12:58But if people see you keep doing it, like Alan has sort of kept his behaviour pretty much the same.

13:03Kate Garroway under pressure earlier because she was sort of loudly repeating things that other people said, which I love.

13:10And then she keeps doing it.

13:12And eventually people just say, oh, that's just Kate.

13:13No, that's just Alan.

13:14And then you sort of baseline to a different thing and everyone just accepts you as you are.

13:19And at that point, you're much, much safer.

13:21So, let's talk about Alan's growth as a traitor.

13:25To be sitting there and outwitting Stephen Fry, I mean, it's like beating Albert Einstein in chess or Cluedo or something.

13:32I just started stuffing cheese in my mouth because I can't stop grinning.

13:37Isn't it funny?

13:37I was so nervous when Claudia squeezed me shoulder blade and now I just love being a traitor.

13:44Do we think he's in danger of getting too cocky?

13:46If anyone can get away with it, Alan can.

13:48He's very scatty, he's very giggly, very sweaty, but also from the beginning, he's been throwing names out there.

13:55He's been calling people out left, right and centre and he's just getting away with it.

13:58Also, he can get away with saying really horrible stuff to people because he's so charming.

14:03Yeah, it's just Alan.

14:04If Alan accused me of being a traitor and was horrible at something I did, I'd be like, oh, Alan, what a joy it is to be roasted by you.

14:10I think it's one to watch.

14:12I sort of saw him as a ticking time bomb, now I think of him as a sort of evil genius.

14:15And then the next phase is sort of some sort of karma.

14:18So let's see.

14:19Exploded time bomb.

14:19Exploded time bomb, yeah.

14:21Well, look, we've had a lot of memes based on Alan's first few episodes as a traitor.

14:26In the cloak, walking around with the lantern.

14:28It's great, though.

14:29Going to put the bins out, etc.

14:31And some of Alan's deflections have already become quite legendary as well.

14:35Let's not forget this from episode two.

14:37Oh my gosh, I'm flabbergasted.

14:40Who uses that word?

14:41You can't just call someone a traitor because they have a better vocabulary than you.

14:49And that is as good a moment as any to bring in the wonderful Tom Daley from LA.

14:54Hello.

14:55Hey.

14:56Tom, welcome to Uncloaked.

14:58How many times have you used the word flabbergasted in everyday conversations since leaving the castle?

15:02Though flabbergasted is like one thing, right?

15:04I genuinely was like, who still uses that word?

15:06It's like saying whoops-a-daisy.

15:08It's like saying discombobulated.

15:10At least like in 2025, you've got to be flabby-g'd.

15:14Flabby-g'd?

15:15You've got to have your flabbergasted at some point, you know?

15:18But flabby, I don't know.

15:20It was, it just caught me off guard.

15:23Bless, but I do love Kate though.

15:24I feel really bad that like it's come out and I'm like, oh my gosh.

15:27Like, why is she using that word?

15:29But she's really sweet, bless her.

15:31This is what I love about Traitors is that you can go in and start watching the series.

15:35We had no idea that the word flabbergasted would take the nation by storm, such as it has.

15:40Who knew?

15:41And it's weird because I'm in LA, I don't have the, I'm not like involved in like all

15:46of the UK chat as much.

15:47So now whenever I see anyone British or anytime I post anything on social media, everyone's

15:53like, oh, flabbergasted.

15:55Oh, this is, I'm so flabbergasted.

15:57But I'm like, oh my gosh, like is this, and I'm like, I feel like at some point I need

16:01to knit a flabbergasted jumper.

16:03I think that's my next thing.

16:04I think you absolutely should.

16:05Have you been enjoying all of the memes from the side eye as well?

16:08Yeah, well, I had no idea that my side eye was that obvious.

16:14Well, like I knew that I gave a little side eye, like, oh God, here we go.

16:17But I didn't realize that my face literally looked like I was gurning into some kind of

16:22side eye monster.

16:24But you know, it's, I mean, it is what it is.

16:26It was, it was so much fun.

16:28I wish I could have stayed longer.

16:29I can't believe that, you know, when I was about to, you know, when I didn't come to breakfast,

16:34I was so gutted, because I was so excited about all of the missions to come and all

16:39of that stuff.

16:40But you know, it is what it is.

16:43You definitely, you definitely went way too early.

16:45I mean, I'll bring in Alexander and Leanne here, but I think Tom was going to prove himself

16:48to be quite the useful faithful.

16:50Oh, 100%.

16:51You are such a huge loss, Tom.

16:54I'm devastated.

16:55You brought so many iconic moments.

16:57You brought Flabbergasted back into existence.

16:59If you didn't pick up on that, I don't think it would have ever been picked up on.

17:03Tom, during our chat up in the Highlands, after you left the game, you were absolutely

17:07desperate to know how Paloma had been murdered in plain sight.

17:11You really wanted to know.

17:13You asked me a lot.

17:13I was under strict instructions to not tell you.

17:16Now that you've finally seen Alan touching Paloma's face, what did you make of it?

17:19Yeah, I mean, I would never have known.

17:22I mean, I found myself trying to be as observant as possible with like, with things like the

17:26black lily and the things that like what animals are up on shelves and where are things

17:30placed because I was like, you never know when that's going to be a question and a mission.

17:35You never know if that's going to be something that's going to be used to murder someone.

17:38But, you know, I didn't pick up on the black lily at all.

17:41So it felt like you were a kind of great sort of traitor hunter and your time was cut

17:46a bit short.

17:47You were super observant.

17:48You watched everybody, watched everything.

17:50And you were certainly sort of were picking up all of the all of the information.

17:54Yeah, I think that's something that as, you know, as an athlete, you become quite a high

17:58perceptive.

17:59So when I'm spinning around and twisting and turning as a diver, I have to see every single

18:04thing when I'm spinning to know where I am in the air.

18:06So you learn to pick up on these little things to be able to keep self-centered and be able

18:11to be like, keep yourself safe.

18:13So for me, walking into a room, doing the mission and looking at the gates and trying to pick up

18:18on all the little bits, I felt were quite important.

18:22But I think obviously the traitors saw that as something that maybe if they slipped up,

18:28I might be someone that might have been able to sway people to banish them.

18:32Tom, I'd just be super interested to know how it was for you, the difference between what

18:37you expected, having seen a few series, and actually what it was like being on it.

18:41Was it the same thing?

18:42Was it different?

18:43Yeah, I mean, it was terrifying, like especially going into that round table.

18:47The only round table that I was at, people started coming for me and I was like, oh my

18:52gosh, what am I going to say here?

18:54And it was kind of like surreal to see it all play out.

18:58And, you know, when you go into it thinking one thing and then everybody has those discussions

19:03and then you end up being like, oh, wait, maybe I've got it wrong.

19:06And then you start doubting yourself and you start thinking, okay, my name's come up.

19:11Nico's name's also come up and I feel like more people are going to vote for Nico.

19:14And then you find yourself like voting to try and save yourself, but not necessarily who

19:19you believe is actually a traitor.

19:21Tom, you were quite outspoken with some of your suspicions in the game, which was a lot

19:26of fun to watch.

19:27Obviously, you were suspicious of Kate being flabbergasted, but you also had your doubts

19:31about Claire after she messed up the Trojan horse mission.

19:35You've known Claire since you were a wee lad.

19:36And did you not believe her when she was so remorseful about the mission?

19:41You know, looking back on it, of course, like it makes sense.

19:45But knowing that the traitors met, I knew that they were up to something that day.

19:50Like who knew what it was going to be, whether it was going to be, ended up being a murder

19:54in plain sight.

19:55Were they trying to sabotage the mission?

19:57And something like that.

19:58Yeah, it looks like an honest mistake.

19:59But in this game, honest mistakes can cost you your life.

20:03So it's, I, yeah, I, instantly I was like, hmm.

20:07Have you spoken to Claire since the show started going out?

20:10I mean, we've got the WhatsApp group.

20:12Of course.

20:13The WhatsApp group pops off.

20:14Honestly, I wake up to about 30 messages and I can't keep up.

20:18It's like going, it's like the school WhatsApp groups with the parents.

20:21You're like, oh.

20:22And Tamika is the voice note queen of two and a half minute long voice notes.

20:27I can imagine.

20:28And they are played on fast forward, even though they're already kind of in fast forward.

20:33So it's, yeah, it's, it's lovely though, because Tamika reaches out to me all the time

20:39because obviously she was banished in the same episode.

20:41So it's, yeah, it's a, it was a, it's fun.

20:45It's really sweet.

20:45Everybody is really like excited and watching it back together.

20:49It feels like we've all been on this journey together.

20:52So at the round table, Nico voted for you.

20:55And Joe Wilkinson was also suspicious.

20:58And voted for you.

20:59Did you worry that their votes might start to give the other players ideas?

21:02Yeah, I thought that I was going to be banished in the next round table, which is why I was

21:08surprised to be murdered because I thought, well, my name's going to come up again and

21:12I'm going to have to try and defend myself.

21:15But yeah, it's really kind of quite scary when your name does come up.

21:18It takes you about and you think, what did I do other than try and win as much money in

21:24the mission as possible, running back, trying to get, and trying to throw ideas out there

21:28for who to banish?

21:30Because in the beginning, you've got nothing to go on whatsoever.

21:33Like you say, you just have to survive.

21:35So if you come up in the first round table, you try to do anything to, you know, make sure

21:40that you're still there the next day.

21:42Now, I should say this, Tom, I don't want to grass her up, but we had Paloma on Uncloaked

21:46the other night and she was very suspicious of you for a quite specific reason.

21:50Have a listen to this.

21:51I did have Tom in my head.

21:53I just felt like his outfit at the funeral was very serial killer-y.

22:01It was like American Psycho with the buttons done all the way down.

22:05And I was like, oh my God, he's a psychopath.

22:08Well, the thing is, Paloma, what she was like wearing, I love me the first day.

22:16Like, so, it's like, who's the real psychopath there?

22:19No, I love, I love Paloma.

22:21I think she's, I think she's great.

22:23And I was like, you know, everyone has been messaging me like, oh my gosh, that's the most

22:26inappropriate outfit for a funeral.

22:29That's like, I can't believe he shows so much chest.

22:31I was like, did you know it was a game and nobody actually died?

22:34Yeah, you wouldn't wear that to a normal funeral, Tom.

22:37You know, but, well, no.

22:39Well, maybe I would.

22:40You know, some people appreciate the jubblies out, but I don't know, not everyone.

22:43Look, if she thought that shirt was revealing, she should see what you wear for diving.

22:47You know, you could have...

22:48There's not many people that wear more clothes to bed than they do to work.

22:51You could have got in your little, your little demure black trunks.

22:54That would have been very respectful.

22:55Exactly.

22:56Yeah, exactly.

22:57It was probably the most respectful.

22:59You know, I had, I felt like I did dress quite conservatively my time there.

23:03I was, you know, I wore a suit on day one.

23:05Yeah.

23:06And you looked smashing.

23:08Tom, if you hadn't been murdered, you said you thought you might be banished.

23:11Did you have any idea of what you might say at the next round table to prevent that banishment?

23:17You know, at that point, you never know what you are going to say.

23:20And I think being able to, like, if you were to plan something going into a round table,

23:24it's always going to look rehearsed.

23:26It's always going to look like you're a traitor if you've rehearsed something.

23:29So I feel like you have to really listen, really be in the moment and bounce off of what other people are saying.

23:35But I think the whole time, if I was going into that as faithful like I was,

23:39I would have just had to explain exactly my reasonings behind everything and also give the understanding of why someone might think that I was a traitor so that they feel heard,

23:50but then also tell them why I'm not.

23:52And then you just have to wish for the best because people are either going to believe you or not.

23:58Leanne and Alexander, from an audience perspective, who do we think is closest to catching a traitor in there at the moment?

24:04I mean, Claire Boulding was really close to catching Jonathan.

24:07Also, Joe Marlow is really close to going for Jonathan, but he just completely switched at the round table.

24:12I feel like Joe has lots of good ideas, but nobody really listens to him all that much.

24:18And then he gets swayed by lots of people.

24:20And I think the way that they were looking straight away at David,

24:24because he all of a sudden voiced an opinion when that's all they've been asking everyone to do.

24:28It's hard to tell who might be close to catching.

24:32So I still can't believe that nobody is caught on to Alan because every turn I'm just like, come on.

24:39Someone's got to see it sometime soon.

24:41Watching it back is almost embarrassing, isn't it? Why not?

24:44But I completely agree.

24:46When you're in there, it looks like he's just being Alan, so it makes sense.

24:50They're currently on the wrong track with Mark.

24:52What did you make of Mark?

24:53There was obviously a lot of talk about his looking at everyone at the funeral,

24:57standing aside and staring at everyone,

24:59whereas he should have used your technique of just flicking his eyes to the side.

25:03That's all you needed to do to look at people.

25:05Yeah, I mean, exactly.

25:06You just look to one side, you can see everything.

25:08Yeah, I mean, it wasn't so much that Mark did the,

25:13I think what people had a problem with and why they thought he was a traitor.

25:17It wasn't that he just kind of like turned and like did like a,

25:19oh, I'm just going to see how people are reacting.

25:21He made a real point when we were there.

25:24He really stepped and really made sure everyone saw that he did the whole peer around the corner thing.

25:30So I think sometimes if you're doing it to be like, look, I'm being faithful, I'm really looking,

25:35it makes you look suspicious.

25:37You just have to, I always think, you always have to, if I was going to do that, do it again,

25:42I would imagine I was a traitor and what would I do in order to make people think I was a faithful

25:47rather than just acting in a way that you are truly faithful?

25:51Because that way you end up being more suspicious because you start overcompensating.

25:57Also, David's up against Mark in this banishment that's left to fate.

26:01What did you make of David when you were in there?

26:03Oh, he's an incredibly smart person.

26:06He's somebody that is incredibly, he just, but he does sit back and he just does observe.

26:11But I do see why it might be suspicious that all of a sudden he's not really throwing anything out.

26:17And then all of a sudden he has an opinion of who it might be.

26:20Do you have a sense of who you might have voted for at that banishment tiebreaker between David and Mark?

26:25Yeah, I probably would have said Mark because I feel like David would not be banished from the round table.

26:31So I feel like he would be someone that would get murdered rather than banished.

26:34Whereas Mark is somebody that was going to get banished.

26:36So towards the end, you want, if you want to survive as a faithful,

26:40you want to keep people in the game that are going to get banished at the round table

26:43and leave the ones that are likely to get murdered.

26:46But again, these traitors are doing things that you just never would have even thought to do.

26:50Now, we're almost out of time, but I've mentioned already on Uncloaked

26:53that I'm actually hidden in this series of the celebrity traitors somewhere.

26:57On one episode, I'm hidden.

26:59Any ideas? I'm not going to reveal, but all three of you,

27:02do you have a guess of where I might be popping up or have popped up?

27:06I think, what were they called in the mission?

27:09The Banshees.

27:10Yeah, I think you're a Banshee.

27:12You think I'm a Banshee? Well, thank you very much.

27:13You're welcome.

27:14I'm kind of hoping you were in the choir in the funeral.

27:18Yeah.

27:19Maybe I'm just projecting here.

27:20Yeah, you wanted to be in the choir.

27:21I'd love to see you behind the mask.

27:23I didn't see you in the choir.

27:26You must have been in one of those people that were, like,

27:28pulling people out of the car, fully masked and cloaked.

27:31Interesting. What, for the Chained Up mission?

27:33Yeah.

27:34Episode three.

27:35All interesting.

27:37Are any of us close?

27:38I'm not going to tell you.

27:40What an awful reveal.

27:41When are we going to find out?

27:42Is it for the finale reveal?

27:45Yeah, we're keeping it until the finale, I think.

27:47Imagine if one of you was close and I went,

27:48yeah, you're right.

27:50Anyway.

27:50It's like, oh, damn.

27:53Obviously, if you've got guesses at home,

27:55comment on socials and tell me where you think I am.

27:58That's an interesting sentence.

27:59Meanwhile, the chat continues over on BBC Sounds.

28:03I'll ask Tom how he'd play the game as a traitor

28:05and what his husband thinks of his time on the show.

28:07That's in your bonus episode of Uncloaked.

28:09Just scan the QR code on your screen

28:11and then listen straight away as you get into your gym jams.

28:14I'm back tomorrow night and I'll be joined by whoever gets banished.

28:17It's either David or Mark.

28:18So one of them will get to find out who the traitors are.

28:22Plus, we'll have any other murdered or banished players.

28:25Thanks for now to Leanne, Alexander and Tom.

28:27And to you for watching, I'm Ed Gamble.

28:29Stay faithful.

28:35If you're still in shock and need something to calm you down,

28:39try Film Club, Amy Lou Wood and Ralph Davis' new comedy drama

28:43about two friends who might share more than just a love of movies.

28:46You'll find it on BBC iPlayer.

28:57You'll find it on BBC iPlayer.

28:58You'll find it on BBC iPlayer.

28:59You'll find it on BBC iPlayer.

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