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00:00Good evening, everyone. I'm Laura Ingram. This is the Ingram Angle from Washington tonight.
00:06Trump and America, the unstoppable force. That's the focus of tonight's Angle.
00:14Oh, my God. What a 72 hours or so it's been. A juggernaut for peace and prosperity.
00:20Donald Trump once again has reminded us that we are living in a historic time.
00:24We had a great week. We had a great weekend. We had a great period of time in the Middle East.
00:32It was very comprehensive. It went very rapidly.
00:36And I think it's going to lead to something that's going to be unrecognizable, certainly for the Middle East.
00:44What's taken place in the last few days, people can't believe it. I've never seen anything like it.
00:49I've never seen the love and the spirit.
00:50We haven't seen anything like it. Back and forth to the Middle East. History made in the Gaza peace deal.
00:57The world, as he said, coming to be together to be part of what few thought was possible.
01:02Now, it's hard to believe that just a year ago, America had a president who hardly ever did press conferences
01:09and would routinely end his official day before noon.
01:14But 36 hours into his trip, President Trump was chatting with the media aboard Air Force One.
01:21They were sleeping.
01:22And it wasn't until 2.30 in the morning, this is amazing, that he finally walked off Air Force One
01:29for another full workday, not skipping a beat.
01:33All right? 79 years of age.
01:35But as proud as Trump is of his team and their Middle East triumph, he isn't resting.
01:41Again, who could never dream of doing what Trump has done?
01:44Because he had no vision, or he was asleep at the wheel, or on the beach.
01:50I'd love to go to Argentina. I'd like to be like Biden.
01:54I'd like to go to the beach.
01:56You know? My legs are not quite as thin as his.
02:01My legs are slightly heavier. My arms are slightly larger.
02:05My body is a little bit larger than his.
02:08I'm not sure it would be appreciated on the beach.
02:10You won't see me sitting on a beach in Argentina, falling down,
02:15not being able to lift a three-ounce chair.
02:17He spent too much time on a beach.
02:20And Trump, of course, strafed the media.
02:22And we're going to have lunch, and we'll take a couple of questions from the news,
02:27and I'm sure they'll be extremely non-hostile and friendly.
02:31Like, J.D. went through a very friendly interview with George Slopadopoulos,
02:35who was nice enough to pay me $16 million the last time we came.
02:40He had to pay $16 million to me, which was good.
02:43It was worth having somebody lie.
02:47If you get $16 million, that's good.
02:49And what about junior White House aides who turned against him for their fleeting moment of fame?
02:56Alyssa Farah, she is one of the hosts on ABC's show The View.
03:01She said a while back, I'll quote,
03:03If Trump gets the Israeli hostages out, I promise I will wear a MAGA hat for one day on this show
03:09and say thank you for doing it.
03:11Your response?
03:13She worked here.
03:14She gave me the most beautiful letter.
03:15I figured she would not make it.
03:17And she didn't have a big role here either.
03:19Then she got hired by The View, and they gave her a couple of bucks,
03:24and she changed her view very quickly.
03:26I never thought she'd make it, but she's on The View.
03:29But it just shows what a fraud The View is.
03:33Let's see it, Alyssa.
03:35Where's the hat?
03:35Oh, don't see it.
03:37Well, the only reason she made that fake promise was because she had zero faith in President Trump.
03:43Big, big miscalculation.
03:45So, word of the wise, everybody out there?
03:48And I've said this, do not underestimate Donald Trump or, of course, America.
03:53Even the New York Times had to admit, rarely has an American president been met with such adulation abroad.
04:01No one could have gotten all this stuff done.
04:03No one could have gotten all these people together.
04:05Trump did.
04:06President Trump has taken a flamethrower to globalists across the political spectrum,
04:11and he's remade our foreign and economic policy.
04:15So anyone who is not celebrating him for his accomplishments is revealing who they really are and whose interests they have.
04:25The entire world has come to Trump, and he's now using it as an opportunity to make a move on China.
04:31Again, it's hard to imagine that any previous American president kept President Xi up at night ever because President Xi knew how to dominate them,
04:41how to play them, knew how to cheat on trade deals, knew how to move unchallenged, even in our own hemisphere,
04:48how to buy up American land and our resources, even our food companies, even land near military bases.
04:54But dealing with President Trump is another matter altogether.
04:58He knows how to maneuver and protect American interests.
05:01Everybody deals with China.
05:03They have to deal with us, too.
05:05We have to be careful with China.
05:07Look, I have a great relationship with President Xi, but sometimes it gets testy because China likes to take advantage of people,
05:15and they can't take advantage of us.
05:17But we have a fair relationship with China, and I think it'll be fine.
05:21And if it's not, that's OK, too.
05:22You have to do and go where the punches are thrown.
05:27You've got to put up the blocks.
05:28We have a lot of punches being thrown, and we've been very successful.
05:33Oh, I love that.
05:34You've got to go where the punches are being put in your arm, block.
05:36You see how he's thinking?
05:38But China, of course, is trying to flex before Xi's meeting with Trump at the end of the month in Korea.
05:43Yeah, that's still on for now.
05:45Xi's trying to get leverage against Trump in the United States
05:48by ramping up export controls on rare earth materials
05:51and then threatening fees on non-Chinese ships at their ports,
05:56so they somewhat pulled that back.
05:58But President Trump, he's not about to let that happen.
06:01America is not going to be held hostage, and neither will any of our allies.
06:07Treasury Secretary Scott Besant says this only shows how weak their economy is
06:13and that they want to pull everybody else down with them.
06:16And the Dutch, who would have thought it, clearly has had enough of China's economic games.
06:21Its government took control of Nexperia.
06:24That's a Chinese-owned chip firm based in the Netherlands,
06:29and the Netherlands citing national security concerns.
06:33So they've taken control of that company.
06:35That is bold, and that is smart.
06:37So is the world finally waking up to the China threat?
06:41Is it realizing that pragmatism, as Trump knows, always beats progressivism?
06:47But Trump's playing it really smart right now.
06:49So it's a good time for him to move in on China,
06:52while he has the majority of the world's leaders, friend or foe, paying attention.
06:58Xi has two weeks to figure out a plan.
07:01So is he going to start playing nice, a little bit more reasonably,
07:04or will he let his country's economy continue to crumble and get slapped with 100% tariffs?
07:11Right now, the choice is his.
07:13Trump's going to be ready either way, because that's just how he is.
07:17And America will be fine either way.
07:20And that's the angle.
07:22Here with me now, Kevin Hassett, director of the National Economic Council.
07:27Kevin, it's great to see you tonight.
07:28Good to see you.
07:29China warned that it will fight to the end if that's the case.
07:36So what do you expect in the next moves here?
07:40The financial markets are watching this very closely.
07:44Right.
07:44Well, President Xi is up against the best team that any country has ever had for a negotiation like this.
07:51We've got President Trump and you heard Secretary Scott Bessett today.
07:54I mean, this is a guy who's smartest can be and tough as nails.
07:58And the Chinese see that the normal games of bullying aren't going to work with us.
08:02But our hope is that the friendship of the two presidents and the desire of China to start being a law-abiding member of the community of nations,
08:11that that ends up working in the end.
08:13But we've got a lot of leverage that we could use against them.
08:16And we're hopeful that they'll come to the table and work with Secretary Bessett right now relatively soon to start to move things forward.
08:23But make no mistake, they took a classic Chinese bullying move against us last week,
08:29where they basically told the press that they were going to have this embargo practically on rare earths,
08:35which is something that would be a challenge for our economy.
08:37And they wouldn't even pick up phone calls from people in the administration that are saying,
08:43hey, wait, what's up with this?
08:44We were about to meet with President Xi.
08:46And so it was a classic attempt to bully.
08:48And it just isn't going to work against this team.
08:50One of the more and most brilliant things I think that President Trump does, Kevin,
08:54and you know this well from working in the first term on these issues,
08:58is that he never, you know, I'm tempted to, you know, my approach,
09:02which is why I wouldn't be good at this,
09:03my approach would be like, we're not meeting.
09:05Meeting's off.
09:06Close the door.
09:07Let them try to reopen it.
09:09But Donald Trump says he's very cool as a cucumber here.
09:12He's like, maybe we'll work out a deal.
09:14Maybe we won't.
09:15Maybe we'll meet.
09:16Maybe we won't.
09:17I respect President Xi.
09:19I'm hoping he comes around a more reasonable position.
09:21And that gives people kind of some wiggle room, even our adversaries, to move into.
09:26Is that what's going on here, never closing a door completely?
09:30Well, President Trump is always open for business.
09:32And he's the guy who wrote The Art of the Deal because he's so good at negotiating.
09:36And as Secretary Besant said, the Chinese need to join the community of nations,
09:41a law-abiding community of nations that's not putting embargoes on things left and right,
09:45because their economy is doing very, very poorly.
09:49You know, if you take all of the state deficits that they have from the states around China,
09:54and then the federal number, and you put it together, right now the deficit in China is something like 14% of GDP.
10:00So they're looking like, you know, a Latin American country that could well have debt troubles in the aggregate in China.
10:06And so they've really put themselves into a position where they need to come to the table and work with us,
10:13because President Trump is friends with President Xi.
10:16And there are a lot of us who have spent a lot of time working in China over the years,
10:19where we have a lot of respect for our Chinese colleagues.
10:21And we're surprised at how much this has gone south for them.
10:26And I think that maybe it's because they're frantic, given how poor their economy is doing.
10:30Well, they have massive overcapacity because their factories churn out all this stuff.
10:36Ours is the biggest market.
10:37Now they're trying to dump a lot of that product into Europe.
10:40And Europe's close to saying we're done, because, of course, their industries are hurting now in Europe.
10:47Do you see President Trump, as this moves forward, using this moment to try to squeeze China down on this Ukraine issue,
10:56where obviously China is buying ag and oil from Russia?
11:00Is that part of this calculus?
11:02Well, I guess foreign policy matters are things that the president's much better at than me.
11:07But I can say that imports into the U.S. from China have dropped by more than half.
11:12But one of the things that's kept China going this year is that the Europeans have been buying the stuff that we're not buying.
11:18And the Europeans are facing the same kind of ultimatum that we just got from China.
11:23And so it's not really a good recipe for their economic success.
11:26And I hope they come to the table and listen to reason.
11:28And there are a lot of people within the Chinese government that are very reasonable when we talk to them.
11:32And so, again, we're hopeful.
11:34But President Trump is going to get a great deal for the American people.
11:37He's batting 100 percent.
11:38And we'll get this thing worked out as well.
11:40Kevin, finally, Jerome Powell has made kind of a concession about the state of the U.S. economy.
11:48Let's watch.
11:49Data available prior to the shutdown, however, show that growth in economic activity may be, may be on a somewhat firmer trajectory than expected.
11:58While the unemployment rate remained low through August, payroll gains have slowed sharply, likely in part due to a decline in labor force growth due to lower immigration and lower labor force participation.
12:09Kevin, what does that tell you?
12:13Well, it tells me that he understands that President Trump was right all along, that he should have been cutting rates for a long time and that he's going to continue to now.
12:21But he's not doing it because the economy is weak.
12:24Like GDP now is saying that we're growing at about four percent right now.
12:27He's doing it because inflation is under control because of President Trump's policies.
12:31He concedes that President Trump was right about low interest rates and now he's acting and he's, you know, covering up a little bit, you know, saving face with those words.
12:39But the bottom line is that he is going to cut rates.
12:42It's clear the futures markets they expect to do it.
12:44And it's the right thing to do.
12:46So many of these people have been wrong.
12:47They've been wrong about Trump, wrong that he's going to blow up the world, wrong that we weren't going to have any friends, wrong that wrong about inflation, wrong about interest rates.
12:55And the team, the Trump team, right, right, right, right, issue after issue.
12:59This is stunning to watch.
13:01Everyone has to make an admission at this point or confession or concession.
13:06Kevin, great to see you.
13:07Thank you so much.
13:08All right.
13:08Coming up, I had a front row seat to the event honoring Charlie Kirk, and I'll tell you about it.
13:19A bittersweet day at the White House, President Trump posthumously awarding Charlie Kirk the nation's highest civilian honor,
13:25the Presidential Medal of Freedom on what would have been hard to believe, his 32nd birthday.
13:31So the president walked out with Charlie's widow, Erica, to a packed rose garden.
13:35Today, we're here to honor and remember a fearless warrior for liberty, beloved leader who galvanized the next generation like nobody I've ever seen before.
13:47And an American patriot of the deepest conviction, the finest quality and the highest caliber.
13:53And I would say you need enthusiasm to be successful.
13:56He had great enthusiasm.
13:58He forged a personal bond with countless young conservatives.
14:02He fought for free speech, religious liberty, strong borders, and a very strong and proud America.
14:08In everything he did, he put America first.
14:12He really put America first.
14:14And ultimately, Charlie became more than a leader of an important organization.
14:19He became the leader of historic movements all over the country.
14:24And all over the world now.
14:26Now, the Medal of Freedom has been awarded to presidents like JFK, Ronald Reagan, icons like Mother Teresa and Martin Luther King Jr.
14:34And now, Charlie Kirk.
14:36Very few people get it.
14:39Very few people, frankly, qualify.
14:40I would like to ask, if I might, the military aide to read Charles James Kirk's citation for the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
14:52The Presidential Medal of Freedom is awarded to Charles James Kirk.
14:57Accepting on behalf of Charlie is his wife, Mrs. Erica Kirk.
15:02Charlie Kirk was one of the most influential American political figures of his generation.
15:08The United States honors him as a martyr for truth and freedom.
15:22This was such an emotional moment.
15:24Cabinet members were there, friends, family.
15:26And when Erica got up to speak, I don't think there was a dry eye.
15:33President Trump, I have spent seven and a half years trying to find the perfect birthday gift for Charlie.
15:40But now I can say with confidence, Mr. President, that you have given him the best birthday gift he could ever have.
15:48I asked our daughter what she would like to say to Daddy for his birthday.
15:53She said,
15:55Happy birthday, Daddy.
16:00I want to give you a stuffed animal.
16:02I want you to eat a cupcake with ice cream.
16:15And I want you to go have a birthday surprise.
16:19I love you, is what she said.
16:21We miss you.
16:22And we love you.
16:23And we promise we'll make you proud.
16:27And Charlie's life was proof that freedom is not a theory.
16:32It's a testimony.
16:34That is the case.
16:36It was it was surreal to be there with hundreds of others.
16:41Again, family, friends, cabinet members, business leaders.
16:46Charlie was a dear friend.
16:47But more importantly, he was a warrior for political, cultural and biblical truth.
16:54Not necessarily in that order.
16:55He put biblical first.
16:57And something else struck me today while listening to the president speak was the striking similarities between Trump and Kirk,
17:04even though totally different backgrounds, obviously different generations.
17:07But like Trump, Charlie was a political force.
17:10And he had so much energy.
17:12Very positive, too.
17:13Trump is tough, but he always thinks it's possible to get to yes.
17:17Same with Charlie.
17:18And they both try to find ways to bridge divides, no matter each side's politics.
17:24What is so important to our country is to find our disagreements respectfully, because when people stop talking, that's when violence happens.
17:33The campuses will hold the key to Western civilization.
17:36I truly believe that.
17:37And I know that I'm going to be fighting with every ounce that I have to save the greatest country ever to exist.
17:44And just like the president, Charlie was always protecting our freedoms, mindful that they needed to be protected.
17:50And he was always seeking peaceful solutions on campus, and he wanted peace, not war.
17:56But both suffered a lot for their beliefs.
18:00Of course, Charlie paying the ultimate price.
18:02Trump and Charlie, both originals, true mavericks, willing to put it all on the line for their views and for this country.
18:11It's a legacy we will never forget, and we will work to continue.
18:16Here exclusively, Andrew Colvett, executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show and Turning Point USA spokesman.
18:22Andrew, you were there today.
18:25I just had a chance to chat with you as we were all gathering and standing around.
18:28And you saw the various figures who were, you know, maybe not the best of friends for various political reasons.
18:35Everyone came together.
18:36Charlie would have been smiling.
18:38Yeah, I mean, it was a remarkable moment to see just that many amazing, not, they were people and they're leaders of the world.
18:47I get that, but they were Charlie's friends.
18:50And they're our friends.
18:51And I can't tell you, Laura, how many people that, like I said, basically run the free world came up to us and the team and said, anything I can do to help, anything for Charlie.
19:02And I think that's just such a testament to the legacy and the life that he lived because he inspired the greatest people in this country.
19:10But he inspired the people nobody knows either.
19:13And I love that Erica kept mentioning the chapters, the chapter leaders and the students that are the, they are the front line.
19:21They are the vanguard of freedom for this country on the college campuses.
19:25And they mean so much to us, too.
19:27So, yeah, we were there with a bunch of, I guess you could say, fancy people that Charlie had forged these incredible relationships with.
19:34But we're not forgetting that Charlie's main focus was those those young kids on those campuses.
19:38I'm so glad you said that.
19:39And President Trump actually referenced that.
19:41He said, yeah, a lot of famous people here, a lot of people.
19:44But the other people, in a way, are the people who really matter, the people you've never heard of.
19:49And same thing.
19:50I know young students, freshmen at UVA joining Turning Point.
19:54My daughter, all the people at Texas A&M, Turning Point's growing there.
19:58Campus chapters all over the United States.
20:01And, again, people were so heartbroken, remain heartbroken.
20:06But people are truly seeing this as maybe this was it.
20:10Maybe this was the whole point, in a way, of his life.
20:13As hard as that is to say 32 years.
20:16Maybe this was the turning point, right?
20:18And, you know, I think you mentioned that Charlie led with his biblical values, his faith in Jesus.
20:24And God's kingdom is upside down.
20:26And I think the reason that you see these people that, like I said, are so important to our own freedoms and they're wonderful people and important people.
20:34But the reason that they came out to honor Charlie is because Charlie spent his life looking after and protecting the grassroots, the muscular class, the kids on these campuses.
20:43And that inspires a generation and it inspires the legacy that he leaves.
20:48And, yeah, to your point, Turning Point has already more than doubled.
20:52Almost 2,000 high school campuses have started.
20:55Almost 1,000 new college campuses have started since September 10th.
21:00And, you know, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
21:03We have thousands and thousands more that we have to work through.
21:05We can only work so fast.
21:06I mean, it takes a while to start a campus.
21:08But I'm just, you know, hat tip to our field team for doing as much as they already have.
21:12That's incredible.
21:13And I want to talk about Charlie's parents who I had a chance to chat with, which, you know, took my breath away, their courage.
21:20But Turning Point USA released 31 ways to live like Charlie in honor of the full 31 years he was on this earth.
21:27Now, the list included things like get married, have kids, go to church, as well as things like eat hot sauce and outwork your enemy.
21:35Certainly, Andrew, I think young people are just, many of them are just learning about him now.
21:40Because people catch up.
21:42They're just learning about, like, Led Zeppelin now, you know.
21:45So now they're learning about Charlie.
21:47Yeah, I mean, I think it's not just kids, by the way.
21:49I'm just, I keep hearing people of all ages that are getting, that are discovering his content and his message for the first time.
21:56Are picking up the Bible.
21:57They're picking up the Bible.
21:58They're going back to church.
21:59They're praying for their husbands.
22:01They're getting sober.
22:02They're trying to be better husbands and better wives.
22:04It really is this, you know, Erica said it.
22:08True freedom is not just doing whatever you want.
22:10True freedom is self-governance.
22:11It's learning how to govern yourself to reach that next level, to be the better person that our democracy, our republic needs, right?
22:19You know, so, yeah, his message is spreading far and wide.
22:22And I think it's going to outlive us all.
22:26How are you doing?
22:27Because you've been kind of a rock through this whole thing.
22:30And I know when you close your eyes at night and you think about your, really, your best friend, one of your top three people affected your life, he's gone.
22:40So how do you get through?
22:42You know, that's a great question.
22:44Sometimes there are really, you know, disorienting moments where you're alone with your own thoughts and you think about it and you think, you know, I'd love to text him this or he would love this.
22:55And, you know, I just, I take solace in knowing that he is crowned in glory.
23:00And we do not grieve the way the world grieves, Laura, first of all, and I refuse to because I know that God has a plan.
23:07And secondly, we have work to do.
23:10We have a holy and sacred task before us to take what he started and make sure, as Erica says, we're going to 10X it.
23:17And when we see all of those campus inquiries come in and Charlie had a vision to put a Club America, our high school brand, on every high school campus in America, which is 23,000 high schools, and that vision is within reach.
23:32It's happening.
23:32It's happening as we speak.
23:33It's literally happening.
23:34It's happening as we speak.
23:35And our whole team didn't believe him when he set that goal.
23:38And it's happening.
23:39And so we take solace in knowing that the harvest is plentiful.
23:42We're showing video of President Trump signing the proclamation, marking this as a National Day of Remembrance for Charlie, which will also go on in time.
23:53I had a chance to talk with Charlie's parents.
23:56I had never met them before.
23:58You know, obviously, incredible grief.
24:01What amazing people.
24:03Yeah, truly.
24:04And pillars of stability and understanding and deep, deep faith.
24:10And both of them were amazing.
24:13They don't seek any public acknowledgement.
24:15They don't want to be in the public.
24:16Never have.
24:17But they're quiet, beautiful people.
24:19And I said, behind every child of any child is parents.
24:23So you must have done an amazing job.
24:25And they're like, we just did what we do.
24:27Yeah.
24:27Humble.
24:28Yeah.
24:28I mean, I don't think there's any parent that would ever know how to raise a Charlie Kirk.
24:32There is something sort of the divine spark is there.
24:34But they are wonderful people.
24:36And I've spent some good days with them.
24:39I'm sure.
24:39Andrew?
24:40Been a rock, my friend.
24:41Thank you so much.
24:42Great to see you, as always.
24:43But this was a tough day, but bittersweet.
24:45Charlie was there.
24:47And coming up, Obama, the whiner, next.
24:53This reputation of being kind of a cool cat, pretty nice guy president.
24:58But with all of Trump's recent wins, we see the truth.
25:03Barack Obama is a bitter, resentful man.
25:05What was unusual for me was, obviously, a lot of what I represented.
25:15Yeah.
25:15A lot of what Michelle and I had tried to project, the values, our thinking about America.
25:23My successor seemed to represent the opposite.
25:32Right.
25:33Not seemed, did.
25:34You're kidding me.
25:36You're kidding me.
25:36Really?
25:37Really?
25:37Okay.
25:38We wanted the opposite.
25:40It's what everyone voted for.
25:42But at least Obama sees the problems that exist within his own party.
25:46Yeah.
25:46They're leaderless, rudderless.
25:48They're focused on all the wrong issues.
25:49Four, five, six years ago, I'd say, you know, you can't just be a scold all the time.
25:56You can't constantly lecture people without acknowledging that you've got some blind spots, too, and that life's messy.
26:09I think this was a fault of some progressive language was almost asserting a holier-than-thou superiority that's not that different from what we used to joke about coming from, you know, the right to the moral majority and, you know, our way and a certain fundamentalism about how to think about stuff that I think was dangerous.
26:36Well, didn't he start all of this, though?
26:40Here to respond is Alex Marlowe, Breitbart editor-in-chief.
26:44Alex, come on here.
26:46I mean, Barack Obama really – I mean, there was a war room under Bill Clinton.
26:51But Barack Obama's team, the people behind him, were really the most vicious, hateful people, first time I'm proud to be an American nonsense, right?
27:01And the apology tour down the line.
27:03Yeah, Laura, I really loved this interview.
27:08It was a great comfort to me as a MAGA conservative because he was so weak and lame.
27:12You could even look at his posture, the way he's sitting with his legs crossed and his arms folded.
27:16He looks very sad, and it was Mark Maron's last podcast, which he's a liberal stalwart, and that was very sad.
27:22So there's all this sad environment.
27:23But he's come to grips with something important.
27:25He understands Donald Trump is a total rejection of Obamaism, and all of his ideas that he goes through this interview – it's environmentalism, it's politics of race, it's DEI stuff – all of that's been rejected.
27:35He said he wanted to move on from being a player to a coach.
27:38Well, how is he doing as a coach?
27:40His bench is terrible.
27:41So he knows they're in dire straits, and he has no idea what to do to get back in the ring and effective level.
27:46So it was awesome for me.
27:47Well, he had to get up and try to usher Biden off that stage with Clooney.
27:52Remember that?
27:53He was trying to cover for Biden for a long time, ushered him off the stage, literally helped usher him off the stage to drop out of the race.
28:01Then he puts his lame endorsement behind Kamala Harris, another person he knew, he had to know.
28:09He's a good politician for his role.
28:11He was really talented as a politician, but he still couldn't get her across the finish line.
28:16So where is the Obama magic?
28:21That's exactly right.
28:22His biggest legacy is Joe Biden, who took all of the Obama policies and made them worse and less charismatic.
28:28Think about the law fear.
28:29He acted like it's Trump who's practicing law fear.
28:31First of all, with Eric Holder and Eric Holder's DOJ and Operation Chokepoint and using the IRS to go after conservatives,
28:38he ushered in the new generation of law fear, which was extended by Joe Biden with those six Trump cases, not to mention the J6 cases and the raids on Mar-a-Lago, Melania's underwear drawer.
28:50All of this stuff is Obama's legacy.
28:53The whole world knows it.
28:54And they have no way forward.
28:56They're all lame in his in his footsteps.
28:59They're stuck in a corner.
29:01Can't get out.
29:02No windows, no doors in the room.
29:04And, Alex, the Affordable Care Act turns out to be unaffordable and it destroyed health care.
29:08So Obamacare, his signature achievement was a complete and utter disaster, destroying much of health care in the United States.
29:16And he knows it.
29:17He knows it.
29:18Yeah.
29:18No one can afford their health.
29:19It's rationed care.
29:20It's not health care anymore.
29:22Alex, you're the best.
29:23Thank you so much.
29:23And coming up, parents at one school are told to pay up or shut up.
29:29Now, an important angle follow-up.
29:34Two high school boys were suspended and accused of sexual harassment.
29:39This was last spring after complaining about a biological girl using their locker room.
29:43I'm so uncomfortable with a girl.
29:54I'm not female, bro.
29:56Get at me.
29:56Okay, sorry, but that's a normal reaction.
29:59Just normal.
30:01Tonight, though, a federal judge demanding that the parents who sued the school cough up $125,000 bond by the end of business tomorrow to cover the district's legal expenses if the court rules against the families.
30:15So now, in addition to worrying about how this is all going to impact their kids, the parents have to worry about, what, losing a huge amount of money or maybe even going broke?
30:24Judge Leone Brinkema, a Clinton appointee, did give one reprieve for families, ruling that the Loudoun County School Board can't move ahead with suspending one of the boys while his case is being appealed.
30:38Big deal.
30:39Here to react exclusively, Seth Wohl, father of one of the boys, and Ian Pryor, senior counsel at America First Legal.
30:45So, Seth, we know you're trying to raise money to pay this bond.
30:49Where does that stand?
30:50It's slow and steady, but we're trying to get into this fight and do the best we can.
30:55So we've set up some donation page, and we're just hoping that we can get the community to stand behind us because it's almost impossible to raise this money in the amount of time that they've given us.
31:04Okay, well, I'll post it on Instagram.
31:06We've got about 5.3 million people on Instagram or Twitter, excuse me, and then I'll post it on Instagram as well.
31:12Ian, this is insane.
31:14Yeah, well, it's certainly a highly unusual ruling here.
31:17I mean, the good news is, as you said, that this will not be on their record, and they will not be suspended while the case is proceeding through court.
31:25But, look, the bottom line here is this is not Title IX.
31:28Title IX is sexual harassment.
31:30We all know what sexual harassment is.
31:32You know, Loudoun County Public Schools had 159 Title IX complaints, and they did zero on 159, their own internal report found.
31:42Now they come here and find Title IX violations against boys for merely expressing discomfort with a girl in the boys' locker room.
31:49We know exactly why they did that.
31:51It's all politically motivated.
31:52So, Seth, you seem, like, very calm about this.
31:55I would not be as calm.
31:56I mean, I find this to be so appalling that you have to go through this as a parent.
32:00But more importantly, that the boys having, I'm sorry, a normal teenage reaction to this are being told, no, you're the problem.
32:10That's essentially what they're being told.
32:11Am I getting this wrong?
32:12No, you're getting it completely right.
32:14You know, they made it seem like they're the problem for asking questions about why there was a female in the boys' locker room.
32:20Was this someone that was known to them as a trans kid or what?
32:26They were never explained or taught by any administration how to gender or to call the student.
32:33So to all their knowledge, this seemed to be a female student in their locker room.
32:37So parents who aren't privy to this information about how this individual student wanted to be referenced or the new rules of trans and locker rooms, these kids don't know which way to turn.
32:50And to me, the lawsuit that should be successful is going against this school board in the end.
32:57And this school board has got to answer to the basic principle of due process and a child's right to privacy in a space like this.
33:06Absolutely, and that's part of what we're suing under, which is this policy which allows a girl to use a boy's locker room.
33:13Even when she presents as a female, dresses as a female, and is all respect female, she gets to use this locker room because of the policy.
33:22There's absolutely no law, there's no federal law, there's no state law that allows people to use locker rooms of the opposite sex.
33:28The Virginia Attorney General's Office found that these boys' Title IX rights were violated.
33:32The United States Department of Education found that these boys' Title IX rights were violated.
33:36And we're confident we're actually going to win this case on behalf of these boys and on behalf of students throughout Loudoun County and Virginia.
33:42That's why that AG race where Jay Jones is up against Jason Meares, correct, is so important in the Commonwealth of Virginia as well.
33:50Now, Loudoun County Public Schools told the angle that it remains committed to fostering a safe, inclusive, respectful learning environment for all students.
33:58Harassment, discrimination, or bullying of any kind is not tolerated within our schools.
34:02Seth, the implicit in that is your son bullied this individual child.
34:09Yeah, my son and this other student, they never even spoke to this child.
34:12So, I don't understand how it can be considered bullying or even harassment in any sort whatsoever.
34:18Also, I'm worried, Ian, about how this affects the boys going forward, even if it's not on their record, how this affects them.
34:24Right, absolutely. I mean, this is something that they've already had to deal with.
34:28Seth's son has already been suspended one day because Loudoun County Public Schools didn't give us the opportunity to file a complaint before suspending him.
34:37So, fortunately, we were able to get a restraining order.
34:39But, I mean, this is how these schools operate. They don't care about their individual students.
34:43All right, so by the end of this hour, I will have logged your page for fundraising.
34:49Hope it helps.
34:50Seth and Ian, thank you both very much.
34:52Thanks for having us.
34:52And coming up, Tish James not taking her indictment all too well.
34:56Jimmy Fallon has all that and more next.
35:00I'm going to love with Jimmy Fallon, host of Fox News Saturday Night.
35:03Jimmy, great to see you.
35:04Hey, hey.
35:05Your friend, Letitia James, she showed up to a Momdani rally and really made us all say, what the Fallon wants.
35:15I also know what it feels like to overcome adversity.
35:19And so I stand on solid rock.
35:22And I will not bow.
35:24I will not break.
35:26I will not bend.
35:28I will not capitulate.
35:30I will not give in.
35:32I will not give up.
35:34You come for me.
35:35You gotta come to all of us.
35:37All of us.
35:39I don't even understand.
35:41All of us.
35:42What is it?
35:43She is.
35:44She comes across as someone who's very impersonating someone with deep psychosis or or or the fact is true.
35:52Regardless of how you slice it, doesn't it just seem like a little much like, babe, you cheated on your mortgage.
35:58Okay, this has nothing to do with solid ground.
36:01You signed in solid ink.
36:03And that's why you're getting prosecuted.
36:05And what I find so funny is like, we're not that far removed from no one is above the law.
36:10Do you remember all of those montages?
36:12Or how about that tweet about mortgage fraud is a serious crime and when powerful people cheat, regular people suffer?
36:19Those are her words.
36:21Like, I would have more respect for her if with a straight face she was like, actually, I signed these forms in auto pen out of tribute to Joe Biden and never read them in the first place.
36:31That would be respectable.
36:33This is embarrassing.
36:35She looks like she's auditioning for some.
36:37That's what I mean.
36:39Yeah, it's a horrible, like cheesy drama, like, you know, lifetime television.
36:45I don't know.
36:46But it's such like bad high school production.
36:48Yes, this is a school play that's going to get the director fired at the end of the school year.
36:54Way to go, Tish.
36:55Yeah, conjuring up emotions, trying to, like, look very glassy-eyed as well.
37:00Allegedly, allegedly guilty of mortgage fraud or committed mortgage fraud.
37:05All right, Jimmy, Time magazine put Trump on the cover after the big peace deal, of course.
37:11When I saw that photo, I said, first of all, you never shoot someone from underneath.
37:15And Trump's going to hate that photo because that's a terrible photo.
37:19It's so typical of time.
37:22But he said, you know, maybe the worst of all time.
37:24They disappeared my hair and then had something floating on the top of my head.
37:28It's it's et cetera, et cetera.
37:30Jimmy, they couldn't even give him a straight on shot.
37:33They had to be petty to the end.
37:34And, you know, this was pettiness because this photo looks like a photo your camera takes in your pocket when you're not even intentionally taking a photo.
37:43And we know that to be the case here.
37:45It's like they couldn't just let him have the win.
37:48And they're trying to mock him at a time when he is the toast of the world.
37:51The only consolation I would give the president in this moment is, yes, it's a bad picture.
37:56But you're winning right now.
37:57And it could be worse.
37:58You could be James Comey who's on the cover of Doing Time magazine.
38:03So it ain't so bad.
38:05They should have just done they should have just done the entire cover with seashells.
38:10It shouldn't have been Trump.
38:11It should have just a kind of a mock up of Trump's face with seashells.
38:14That would have been nicer.
38:16Jimmy, thank you so much.
38:17Great to see you as always.
38:18That's it for us tonight.
38:20Happy birthday to Charlie Kirk.
38:22We miss you, buddy.
38:23But thanks for watching over us.
38:24Jesse's next.
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