00:00Okay, so you started directing and producing scenes for browsers.
00:04What did you find was, like, the most challenging thing about, like, producing or directing, like, off the bat?
00:10Like, maybe that you didn't expect.
00:11I think the very first thing was probably respect.
00:14I think I'm a respected individual.
00:16But when it got to a place of me, like, kind of giving authority and telling people what to do, like, because at the time, I don't think I would consider myself an industry vet.
00:25At the time, I was just, like, fresh, like, performer.
00:28Or probably two years after getting newcomers.
00:30So, like, three, four years in.
00:32And I look at people who are three, four years in.
00:34It's like, you're still pretty new.
00:35Yeah.
00:36Because people have built, like, seven, eight years worth of, like, respect and trust.
00:41And so it was, honestly, just directing.
00:44And even, I even had a lighting guy who I'd hired one time.
00:47And he was a little snappy in a way that I just know he wouldn't be snappy to someone else.
00:53Because I've been on set with him before.
00:54Because I've seen him on sets where I was a performer.
00:56And I just knew it was just, like, taking authority and someone telling you.
00:59You can felt the energy of someone being, like, oh, you told me what to do type of vibe.
01:02Yeah.
01:03And I was just, like, it's a bigger picture.
01:05What are we doing?
01:05We all have, like, you know, it's just, like, even now, like, I've been around that person now.
01:10And it's, like, there's nowhere near that type of energy.
01:12So I just know that's what the energy was back then.
01:14But, like, that's something I dealt with, even with, like, performers, like a male talent who may be, like, you know, 16-year vet.
01:20And you have, like, a three-year performer being, like, hey, you should go over here and do this.
01:26Or, like, that type of vibe.
01:27But I've always led with, like, not directing the sex, in a sense.
01:30Or maybe getting opinions or guidance.
01:32Trying to make it more of an inception.
01:33Like, make you believe that this is what you want to do, in a sense.
01:36Like, collaborative.
01:37Yeah, collaborative effort as opposed to me, like, you got to do this, you know, because everyone's different.
01:41So that probably is just a little bit of respect.
01:44But, like, I feel respect is earned.
01:45So I'm not mad at it because it's a good thing.
01:47Like, even recently, I was doing a script that was, like, heavy.
01:53It was, like, a heavy script.
01:53And, like, I was working with a performer that's been around for a while.
01:55Maybe, like, 20, 20-something years.
01:57And, like, it kind of felt like he was also co-directing.
02:00But it wasn't a bad thing.
02:02But, like, you can tell when someone might.
02:04Like, it could be a situation where someone's like, yo, shut up.
02:07I know what I'm doing type of vibe.
02:08But this person actually really wanted the production to be really well.
02:12So he was, like, giving input with me.
02:15So it became a collaborative effort.
02:16Because that's what happens in movies, too.
02:17I'm sure if, like, Tom Cruise in a movie, he's, like, telling the director, like, I think we should switch this and we should do that.
02:23And then if you both respect each other, you're listening.
02:25If you don't, you're like, hey, stay in your lane.
02:27I told you to do this.
02:28So I looked at it as that, you know.
02:30And it was a good effort.
02:31And that's also something I'm learning.
02:32I'm like, okay, if I want to shoot more movies and I want to shoot features, I have to know everybody's different, you know.
02:37Everybody's not going to respect you.
02:39And that's okay.
02:39And everybody respects you in different levels and different ways.
02:42It's just about getting the job done and bringing the best out of this person.
02:46And if I have my shit together, this isn't a problem I have to worry about, too.
02:49You know, if I do my pre-production part and I give a proper itinerary, if I go off the way and have a conversation with this person before the day of the set for a 20-page script,
02:57then I'm not going to deal with someone being like, I didn't know, you know, because I talked to them and I got all this stuff down.
03:02So it's all levels of like, did I do my part, you know?
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