00:00the vantage point of Chicago that we were looking at before we were talking about Europe. But let's
00:04get to this second vantage point. This is Portland, Oregon, we're being told from our
00:07Edge affiliate. And what we're seeing here are, and you know what, Hal, I'll actually just refer
00:15to you here. What do you make of this scene? We know that there's been protests planned. We are
00:21familiar with these types of images at this point. We saw it happen in Los Angeles. We've seen
00:26protests in Illinois, in Washington, DC. And now it appears that we're seeing some of this activity
00:31and some people wiping their eyes. And Portland, Oregon, your reaction? I think this, and I may be
00:38wrong, but I think this is the ICE facility in South Portland that was the scene of a number of
00:44other protests. You know, actually, a lot of the protest activity there, despite all the political
00:49rhetoric on it, hadn't been that intense, although it would pick up in the evenings. But during the day,
00:54it was not uncommon. If you went by that facility, you might see a handful of people out there
00:59protesting, although some of them show up and they have Antifa signs. And of course, Antifa
01:04has been designated by the president as a domestic terrorist organization. So that changes how people
01:11look at that. But what you're seeing here is they're dispersing the crowd. And it could be a variety
01:18of techniques. Sometimes they'll just throw out tear gas right away. Another technique is you'll throw
01:24out smoke. And in many cases, people, and it's not a very pleasant thing to do, but you throw out smoke
01:34and then people mistakenly think, oh, it's not tear gas. And they start walking into it. And then you
01:39toss out the tear gas and you tend to have a greater effect on the unruly mob, if you will. And I'm not
01:47saying they're doing that. But I am seeing it looks like a variety of smoke and gas, maybe a combination
01:55that they're using. In some areas, I'm seeing where they're clearly wearing gas masks. And in other
02:01areas, they weren't wearing gas masks, which means they may have just been using smoke to help disperse
02:06the crowd. But we see when you see colored smoke like that, that's probably not a tear gas smoke.
02:14That's just something that's done to get the crowd to move back. I will say, though, if you ever get
02:21caught in that type of smoke in a closed space, it can have a definite effect on you. That's pretty
02:29toxic smoke. And an open area where you can get to air, you'll be okay. But if you're in a closed space,
02:36it can be, it can really do a number on you. So yeah, go ahead.
02:41You know, this, I always like to remind the public when we watch scenes like this, because
02:47you and I have sat on air and watched protests of this nature so many times throughout the year.
02:54And we see the use of less than lethal rounds being deployed in some cases. Just because something is
03:03less than lethal doesn't mean it's not dangerous and it can't hurt. Correct, Hal?
03:08For example,
03:09you have to talk in English and try to...
03:11Less than lethal rubber bullets. People have been killed with those. If it's a, you know,
03:18it's a rare shot, but every once in a while things can happen. Of course, you can also have things
03:22where people lose eyes or something else like that. So less than lethal doesn't mean completely
03:29non-lethal. In fact, the term for a long time was non-lethal. And overall, they just, they quit
03:35using the term non-lethal and they would say less lethal or less than lethal. And even less than
03:42lethal, not everything there is completely non-lethal. And of course, you know, depending on one's
03:47physiology or, you know, whatever, if you put tear gas out there, you know, some people have a
03:52stronger effect. It'll, I shouldn't say it'll have a stronger effect on some people than have on
03:56others. So, you know, with, with any of the, with any of the weapons that are used, whether it's
04:03lethal or non-lethal, there always is a certain amount of risk as to what can happen. And so they're
04:10trying to disperse the crowd right now. A lot of what you're seeing here in Portland and certainly what
04:15we're seeing in Chicago is tied to the National Guard deployments. I think this weekend is when
04:21the National Guard units that were activated and training in Woodburn to the south and Salem
04:27are supposed to be deploying into Portland. So the reason you might see these crowds right now today
04:33is because they're expecting the National Guard presence to suddenly show up at places like the
04:39ICE facility in South Portland and maybe other facilities as well. And then of course, there's a report
04:44out that within, I don't know, maybe right now, currently that President Trump is federalizing
04:53National Guard troops in Illinois that would be deployed into supposedly being deployed in Chicago.
04:59And so with both locations, you would see an impetus for a higher, a higher number of protesters
05:06in each because they're expecting to see National Guard troops show up.
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