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00:00Sir, every year for nine days in India, men, women, they come and they worship a goddess
00:06and for the rest of the year they forget about it and they beat her and they'll not send her to school
00:11and they'll oppress her of everything.
00:13Devi represents prakrati itself, not one species, not one gender, but the entirety of the whole cosmos.
00:22And it's a beautiful scripture to read, very enlightening.
00:26And the scripture opens with pointing that even the highest gods are no match for the Devi.
00:34Chandamun, Dhumrlochan and Mahishasur and in every part there's a fresh set of demons that come over.
00:41Such powerful demons. The highest gods can't control them.
00:43We'll capture Devi, we'll defeat Devi.
00:45In the last one, in fact, Devi comes in a very beautiful form atop the Himalayas
00:50and they say, no, no, no, we want to marry this one because she's so beautiful.
00:54Devi put a condition that somebody who can defeat me will can take me as wife.
00:59And when they come to defeat her, he slaps the life out of them.
01:02You see, if at the center of our being is the ignorant and exploitative ego,
01:08it will exploit whosoever is taken or found as powerless.
01:12And that's the only way the ego operates.
01:14It can't love, it can only exploit.
01:16The moment it sees somebody powerless, it pounces on it, grabs it and exploits.
01:21Don't be a good girl with your mother sitting next to you.
01:24That's the advice I'm offering.
01:25Does the Devi look like a good girl?
01:28Be like the Devi.
01:29Sir, I'm a 14-year-old and sir, every year for nine days in India,
01:43men, women, every Hindu, they come and they worship a goddess for nine days
01:48and for the rest of the year, they forget about it
01:51and they beat her and they hit her and they'll not send her to school
01:56and they'll oppress her of everything.
01:58So for these nine days, just for these nine days,
02:01they'll remember the goddess.
02:03But for the rest of the year, the goddess is nowhere to be found.
02:06I want to know how I can make people understand how significant it is
02:15to respect a person throughout the year and respect a gender throughout the year
02:21and not oppress them.
02:25First of all, I appreciate the spirit of your question.
02:27But at the same time, Devi is not about a particular gender.
02:35Though where you are coming from is a very proper place.
02:39Yes, there is very perverse kind of gender discrimination and exploitation here.
02:44But the fact still remains that Devi does not represent a particular gender.
02:50That's a very common misunderstanding that Devi represents
02:54the feminine side of existence and all that.
02:57And people are holding forth on that and gurus and all.
03:00This is sheer nonsense.
03:03Devi does not represent the woman.
03:05Not at all.
03:06Just as Shiva does not represent the man.
03:10Shiva does not represent the male or the man or Nar.
03:15No, no way.
03:18So what does Devi represent?
03:20And where does the entire lore and the legend of Devi come from?
03:28We have to go to that.
03:29Right?
03:30Over the past few days, you have been consistently here
03:34and you would have heard me talking of Durga Sabchati.
03:38Devi Mahatma.
03:39That's the name of the scripture.
03:42It's a part of a wider body of scriptures.
03:44But it is held to be a scripture in its own right.
03:48Durga Sabchati.
03:48That's from where the whole symbolism containing the Devi comes from.
03:58And Devi represents Prakrati itself.
04:03Not one species, not one gender, not one place,
04:07but the entirety of the whole cosmos.
04:11For practical purposes, you could say,
04:15because we are little beings on a little planet,
04:17you could say,
04:18Devi represents the sum total of all sentience we have on this planet.
04:27Devi represents the sum total of all sentience that we have on this planet.
04:31However, there is a little catch.
04:33In the books of Devi,
04:39it is not only human beings that are taken as sentient.
04:46Animals have a very prominent place.
04:48And we are still not done because it's not even just the animals.
04:55It also includes the rivers and the mountains.
05:00So Devi represents all of that.
05:02The trees, the forests.
05:07Getting it?
05:08And it's a beautiful scripture to read.
05:11Very enlightening.
05:14Provided you get the symbolism.
05:16If you take literal meanings,
05:17then you'll be left on the surface.
05:21So it's a very beautiful scripture to read.
05:23And in fact,
05:24if you don't find time over the entire year,
05:27these nine days,
05:28you must make use of
05:29getting it.
05:32So there is Devi,
05:35which is this,
05:37all this,
05:38all this.
05:41And the scripture opens with pointing
05:45that even the highest gods
05:48are no match for the Devi.
05:54What does that mean?
05:56That means
05:57that even the highest realization that you can attain
06:01will come only by being in sacred contact with nature.
06:09If you
06:10cannot learn from the trees
06:13and the rivers
06:13and the mountains
06:14and the animals
06:17and the kids
06:18and the woman
06:19and the man,
06:19if you cannot learn from them,
06:22then
06:22it's pointless to think that
06:26you will gain from a temple
06:27or a mosque
06:28or a book
06:28or a priest.
06:30Impossible.
06:31It is from being
06:34in very discreet
06:38yet very loving contact with life
06:41that one learns.
06:45And then there are all these
06:48demons
06:50carrying very colorful names.
06:53you would have heard of them.
06:55You would have heard of them.
06:55Right?
06:56Chand Mund
06:57and Dhumrlochan
06:58and Mahishasur.
07:00You have heard these names.
07:02So,
07:03there are three parts
07:05there
07:05and several chapters
07:07and the various chapters
07:08are divided into
07:08three parts.
07:10And in every part
07:11there is a fresh set of demons
07:14that come over
07:15doing something very bad,
07:18very mischievous.
07:19and even the gods
07:20cannot control them.
07:22Such powerful demons.
07:24The highest gods
07:24can't control them.
07:26Vishnu,
07:26Mahadeva
07:27what to talk of the
07:29ordinary ones
07:30like Indra and Varun
07:31and they are all
07:32they have all been held captive
07:33by all these demons.
07:34and then
07:37the gods
07:39pool their energies together
07:41in one way or the other.
07:44And then
07:45in every part
07:46Devi arises
07:48though the names
07:49the Devi assumes
07:51in all parts
07:52are different
07:53yet it is the same mother
07:55the same Devi
07:55the central one.
07:58The idea is to say
07:59that
08:01irrespective
08:03of how learned
08:05you think you are
08:06who your gods are
08:08Prakrati
08:10is beyond
08:13everything
08:14and the mother
08:17of all understanding
08:19and knowledge
08:20and liberation
08:20and if you do not
08:24acknowledge that
08:24then you will want
08:25to consume Prakrati
08:27and that's
08:29who the demons are.
08:33every chapter
08:34in each
08:35of the three parts
08:36that's what they are
08:37attempting to do.
08:38You know what they are trying?
08:40We will capture Devi
08:41we will defeat Devi
08:42in the last one
08:43in fact
08:44Devi comes in
08:45very beautiful form
08:46atop the Himalayas
08:48and they say
08:49no, no, no
08:50we want to marry
08:51this one
08:52because she is so beautiful
08:53and the
08:55Asurs had become
08:56that's how the story runs
08:58had become
08:59very powerful
08:59by that time
09:00and they said
09:01we have all the great
09:03and precious things
09:04in our
09:05lavish treasure
09:06and she looks like
09:08the most beautiful woman
09:09so she should also be
09:11a part of her treasure
09:13so they send
09:14first of all
09:15messengers
09:15and messengers
09:17tell Devi
09:18our kings
09:20want you
09:21and Devi
09:22plays innocent
09:23says you know
09:23I am just a poor lady
09:25and I am standing here
09:26you see
09:26but I have
09:28put a condition
09:30taken a vow
09:31that somebody
09:33who can defeat me
09:34will can take me
09:35as wife
09:36so please defeat me
09:37and when they come
09:38to defeat her
09:39she slaps the life
09:40out of them
09:41there is actually
09:43an episode
09:44clearly mentioned
09:46that Devi
09:47is annihilating them
09:49just by slapping them
09:50they come and
09:50there is one
09:50one tight slap
09:51one more tight slap
09:53and they are all gone
09:53you get the idea
09:55you look at
09:56the modern man's
09:58tendency
09:59to eat away
10:01at nature
10:02to destroy nature
10:03to subjugate nature
10:05to dam the rivers
10:08to clear the forests
10:10to dig holes
10:12and mines
10:13and excavate
10:14and fossil fuels
10:15and release
10:16carbon dioxide
10:17into atmosphere
10:18and wipe out
10:20entire species
10:21and everything
10:22that is
10:22possible
10:23we are destroying
10:24the nature
10:24and that's
10:26the characteristic
10:26of the demons
10:27and that's
10:29what the scripture
10:30is written
10:31to warn against
10:32if you mess
10:34with nature
10:34there is no way
10:36you will be spared
10:37if you mess
10:40with nature
10:40there is no way
10:41you will be spared
10:41because this nature
10:42itself is Devi
10:43getting it
10:47to make things
10:48easier for the reader
10:50the learner
10:50we personalise nature
10:54in the form
10:55of a lady
10:56a venerable lady
10:58called Devi
11:00but that's just
11:01a symbol
11:02that doesn't mean
11:02Devi is a woman
11:04are you getting it?
11:06we have a tendency
11:08to you know
11:08this is called
11:09anthropomorphization
11:10whatever there is
11:12we want to represent
11:13it in the
11:14human form
11:15so nature also
11:18because otherwise
11:19nature becomes
11:20an abstraction
11:20if everything
11:21is nature
11:22then how do I
11:24talk to nature?
11:26yes
11:26so we personify
11:27nature so that
11:28we can
11:28kind of conveniently
11:30assume that
11:31we are talking
11:32to nature
11:32so that's who
11:34the Devi is
11:34and the entire
11:35scripture exists
11:37to warn
11:38against the
11:40indiscreet
11:41exploitation
11:42of nature
11:42and that's why
11:44the scripture
11:44is very very
11:46relevant today
11:46very relevant
11:48in the age
11:49of the climate
11:49crisis
11:50when I read it
11:53first
11:54I was almost
11:57shocked
11:58towards the end
11:59when all the
12:03demons are gone
12:04finished
12:04killed
12:05it says
12:07that the effect
12:08is
12:08that the skies
12:10have cleared
12:11the air
12:13is fine
12:16unpolluted
12:17light
12:17the rivers
12:20are flowing
12:21freely
12:21sunlight
12:24is now
12:27raining
12:27as it should
12:29and everything
12:30has attained
12:32its proper
12:32place in the
12:33universe
12:34and by everything
12:35there is
12:37very clear
12:38indication
12:38we are talking
12:39of all the
12:40things that we
12:40have
12:41corrupted
12:41and polluted
12:42today
12:43are you
12:47getting it
12:47so that's
12:49who the
12:49Devi stands
12:50for
12:50now
12:51the kind
12:54of treatment
12:55that women
12:56get in our
12:57country
12:57in the world
12:58over
12:58you see
13:00if at the
13:01center of
13:02our being
13:04is the
13:05ignorant
13:06and exploitative
13:07ego
13:07it will
13:08exploit
13:09whosoever
13:10is taken
13:10or found
13:11as powerless
13:12please tell
13:14me
13:14why don't
13:15you eat
13:16the elephant
13:16right
13:21today
13:22somebody might
13:23eat
13:25but historically
13:25mankind
13:26isn't known
13:27to have
13:27eaten
13:27too many
13:28elephants
13:28why
13:30because
13:31the elephant
13:32was difficult
13:32to catch
13:33it's
13:34sheer power
13:36equation
13:36nothing more
13:37than that
13:38the poor
13:40chicken is
13:40easy to
13:41catch
13:41and breed
13:42you can
13:43not only
13:43catch it
13:44but breed
13:44it
13:45breed it
13:46in captivity
13:46same thing
13:47applies to
13:48all the
13:48milk
13:49cattle
13:49we extract
13:51milk
13:51from there
13:52because
13:52you can
13:52catch them
13:53they can't
13:53run fast
13:54also
13:55they are not
13:56designed to be
13:56aggressive
13:57that's not how
13:58their genetic
13:59thing is
13:59they won't
14:00attack you
14:00too much
14:01so you hold
14:03them by the
14:03rope
14:03and then you
14:05milk them
14:05and do all
14:06those things
14:06because the
14:07ego is
14:07exploitative
14:08so be it
14:09the goat
14:10or the
14:10chicken
14:10or the
14:11cattle
14:11or the
14:12sheep
14:13imagine
14:14the sheep
14:16were actually
14:17a lion
14:17would you
14:22still
14:22hold it
14:23and shave
14:23it
14:24and extract
14:26wool
14:26for yourself
14:27how many
14:32things do
14:32you use
14:33that come
14:33from the
14:34lion's
14:34body
14:34but when
14:39it comes
14:39to the
14:39body
14:40of the
14:40cattle
14:42or the
14:43chicken
14:43or any
14:44other
14:44little
14:44thing
14:45pigeon
14:45or the
14:46rabbit
14:46it's
14:48power
14:48equation
14:48and that's
14:50the only
14:51way the
14:51ego
14:51operates
14:52it doesn't
14:53it can't
14:53love
14:54it can only
14:54exploit
14:55the moment
14:56it sees
14:56somebody
14:56powerless
14:57it pounces
14:59on it
15:00grabs it
15:01and exploits
15:03and that's
15:04the reason
15:05why women
15:05have been
15:06exploited
15:06because they
15:08have remained
15:09powerless
15:09historically
15:11we know
15:12why they
15:13were powerless
15:14because they
15:16didn't have
15:16enough muscle
15:17but had the
15:18womb
15:18now that
15:19proved to be
15:21a deadly
15:21combo
15:21in the past
15:23because the
15:24only source
15:25of energy
15:25was the
15:26human muscle
15:27and later on
15:29the animal
15:29muscle
15:30you didn't
15:31have any
15:32engines
15:32you didn't
15:33have fossil
15:33fuel
15:34you didn't
15:35have nuclear
15:35energy
15:36you didn't
15:37have tidal
15:37energy or
15:38solar energy
15:38where did
15:39energy come
15:40from
15:40the muscle
15:42and women
15:43didn't have
15:44as much
15:44muscle
15:44simple
15:45that was
15:46the only
15:46reason
15:47lack of
15:48muscle
15:48so
15:50man needed
15:51muscle
15:51for agriculture
15:53for fighting
15:53wars
15:54for doing
15:54all the
15:55things
15:55don't you
15:55require
15:56energy
15:56today also
15:57you see
15:58it is for
15:58energy
15:58that so
15:59many wars
15:59are being
16:00fought
16:00why is
16:01middle east
16:02always burning
16:03because it
16:04has energy
16:05is there
16:05wars of
16:06energy
16:06right
16:07and everybody
16:08wants to
16:08capture them
16:08so the same
16:10thing was
16:11happening in the
16:11past also
16:12first of all
16:13the woman
16:13didn't have
16:14muscle
16:14secondly
16:15she had the
16:16womb
16:17and she was
16:18continuously
16:18pregnant
16:19because there
16:19was nothing
16:20to protect her
16:21against getting
16:22pregnant
16:22and infant
16:24mortality was
16:24very high
16:25kids would
16:26get born
16:27and then they
16:27would die
16:28so she was
16:29continuously
16:29pregnant
16:30one after
16:31the other
16:31one after
16:31the other
16:32so you are
16:32physically weak
16:33and then you
16:34are also
16:34immobile
16:35and then there
16:36are three
16:36four kids
16:37always around
16:38you
16:38and somebody
16:39is sick
16:39and somebody
16:41has to be
16:41still breastfed
16:42and all
16:43kind of things
16:44are happening
16:45so that was
16:46the reason
16:47she became
16:48powerless
16:48but that is
16:50no more the
16:51case in the
16:52knowledge economy
16:53today
16:55knowledge doesn't
16:56come from
16:57your muscle
16:57today
17:00muscle power
17:02has very little
17:03relevance
17:04very very little
17:05relevance
17:06today power
17:08flows from
17:09the brain
17:11and wisdom
17:13and wisdom
17:15therefore there
17:16is no reason
17:17the woman
17:17stands to be
17:19exploited
17:20but she is
17:21still getting
17:21exploited
17:22now why is that
17:24happening
17:25because even if
17:27you have the
17:28brain
17:28you must be
17:29internally free
17:31to use the
17:31brain
17:32otherwise the
17:33brain will
17:34remain like a
17:35like a mass
17:36of meat
17:36sitting here
17:38doing nothing
17:39if you convince
17:41the woman
17:41that her job
17:42is not to
17:43think but to
17:44serve
17:44then in spite
17:47of having the
17:48brain she will
17:49not use it
17:49and when she
17:50will not use it
17:50then you will
17:51say they don't
17:53have the brain
17:53don't give them
17:55any kind of
17:55power or authority
17:56they are brainless
17:58let them just
17:59breed kids
18:00that's what they
18:00are good for
18:01or let them go
18:02to the kitchen
18:02and do something
18:03don't give them
18:04any brainy work
18:05do you see this
18:08today the problem
18:08is not the
18:10muscle
18:10today the problem
18:12is tradition
18:12that is what is
18:14holding women
18:15back
18:15they are still
18:17thinking of
18:18themselves
18:18from the
18:21eyes
18:22the lenses
18:23of the past
18:23they have not
18:25been able to
18:26get rid of
18:27history
18:27and that is
18:29very funny
18:29think of it
18:30because
18:31there is nothing
18:32for women
18:33in history
18:33in history
18:36all that you
18:37have is a lot
18:38of exploitation
18:39of women
18:39when India
18:41got independent
18:42search for
18:43yourself
18:44how much
18:44was the
18:45female literacy
18:45rate
18:46not just
18:49very low
18:50it was close
18:53to zero
18:53in most places
18:56only in certain
18:57cities there
18:57were some
18:58literate women
18:59otherwise
18:59over several
19:01hundred square
19:02kilometers
19:02it was possible
19:03that you
19:04could count
19:04the number
19:05of literate
19:05women on
19:06your fingers
19:06so pathetic
19:08was the
19:08literacy rate
19:09when India
19:09got freedom
19:10and why do
19:14women tolerate
19:14that
19:15today you
19:15have legal
19:16protection
19:16right
19:18today
19:19today
19:19there is
19:20technology
19:20today there
19:21is everything
19:21we still
19:22tolerate that
19:23because
19:24we think
19:26that it is
19:27good to live
19:28by history
19:29or social
19:30sanction
19:30or tradition
19:32or whatever
19:33whatever
19:33one finds it
19:37important to
19:38be a good
19:38girl in the
19:39eyes of
19:39others
19:40you know
19:42others must
19:42approve of
19:43me
19:43and they will
19:44approve of
19:45you only if
19:46you abide by
19:46history
19:47so that is the
19:48way women
19:49choose bondage
19:50today
19:51papa's
19:52you know
19:53good girl
19:54that brother
19:56is such a
19:58rascal
19:58he roams
20:00all over the
20:00city and does
20:01this and does
20:02that but this
20:02one is such a
20:03nice girl
20:04this one is
20:05such a nice
20:06girl
20:06she follows
20:07all the
20:07parental
20:08instructions
20:08does her
20:10homework
20:11properly
20:11gets good
20:14grades in the
20:14school
20:15and the
20:17brother is a
20:17rascal
20:17but the
20:21brother will
20:22end up in
20:22the silicon
20:22valley and
20:23the sister
20:23will end up
20:24in the
20:24kitchen
20:24don't be a
20:28good girl
20:28with your
20:30mother sitting
20:31next to you
20:32that's the
20:33advice I'm
20:33offering
20:33does the
20:41Devi look
20:41like a
20:41good girl
20:42be like
20:44the Devi
20:44huh
20:45hmm
20:55you
20:58you
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