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Black Sabbath - Interview with Black Sabbath - from Live... Gathered in Their Masses (2013) [HD]
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00:00Alright guys, one thing I wanted to ask you is, what was the decision that prompted you guys to finally get back together and do material for a new record?
00:09To me it felt it was unfinished business, you know, and I didn't want the legacy of Black Sabbath to end.
00:15It was one of those things that you kind of, deep down, you all knew has to be done.
00:18I think we all wanted to do it, you know. It was just a matter of time of being able to come to the right time to be able to do it.
00:25We tried about 10 or 11 years ago or something to put some, write some stuff and it never quite happened.
00:32The amazing thing too is I've seen the Australian footage and the album was not out when you guys did those shows.
00:37No.
00:38And the reaction to the new material was amazing. Do you notice that when you're on, how people are reacting to the unheard material?
00:44We were worried about that at first, even just playing new material because of course with the internet and YouTube and all that would be all over the place with the new songs.
00:53But the reaction was good, yeah. Especially with them not hearing it, not knowing it.
00:58Does this feel more satisfying than say Reunion did? Because with Reunion it was all these classic songs.
01:04But now you really are coming out for the first time in all these years and it's relevant and it feels heavy.
01:10It's been great fun. We're really enjoying it now. Once we got rolling, you know.
01:14When you do new songs, you don't know how the audience is going to react. But as you just said about Australia, the album was not even released.
01:21Some of the tracks I already knew, you know. And the single was released, wasn't it?
01:26I don't even know if God Is Dead was out at that point. It might have been, but I know Loner wasn't out or any of these other ones.
01:31No, God Is Dead was being played on the radio.
01:33Oh, it was what?
01:34Yeah, just as like a full thing for the tour. And people picked up on it. They were singing along to it when we were doing the song.
01:43Is there a doubt that you have? I mean you guys have all worked for so many years, even after Sabbath.
01:48But is there like a moment when you get together and you're like, will this still work? Will people still respond to it?
01:53Every night I go on stage, I'm still, I go, I wanna go. We've been doing this for 45 years. I'm like, 45 years?
02:01And when I was a kid, if my dad had said to me, come and see this artist wanting to see.
02:06And just the fact that my dad liked it, I wouldn't have liked it, you know.
02:10But I don't, you know, it's funny, like you said, my father, if my dad had come to me and said,
02:13Hey, my father loves Bob Seger. And because of that, I never listened to Bob Seger,
02:17because you want to have your own thing. But there's something about your music that there's, it's okay for the dad to like it.
02:23It just, instead of making the music sound old, it makes your dad seem cool when your father likes Black Sabbath.
02:28That's another thing I wanted to ask you about is the amazing age differential in your audience.
02:33Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, he keeps shouting out at night, jump, jump, jump.
02:38But some of them guys who are 70, I'd look like.
02:41Those that can do.
02:43That's all the young ones do, they pick out the older ones.
02:46Yeah, and the other ones are just kind of doing like a shoulder movement.
02:50The guy that's right in the front, he sat down, he couldn't move until he got a bucket of water over him.
02:55And then it moved a bit.
02:56Everybody stand on your feet. And one guy goes, we are.
03:01And yeah, it's funny that people, like you said, when I saw you guys last was in New Jersey.
03:06And we came with a friend and his 14 year old nephew, and he'd never seen you guys live.
03:11And he was as blown away as most 14 year olds you'd think would be watching One Direction or any of these quote unquote new bands.
03:18So the fact that you've remained relevant for 45 years is, it's almost unequaled.
03:23It's incredible. And as you say, there's new kids coming all the time. It's amazing to see them.
03:28I mean, you know, looking last night, there's young kids on the dad's shoulders, you know.
03:33Wives on the kid's shoulders.
03:34I mean, it's amazing.
03:35Wives on the kid's shoulders. It's like a whole family pyramid stacked up.
03:38I noticed, it's funny Tony, I'll watch you on stage sometimes.
03:41And you just always seem so happy to be there because you'll be looking down and then you'll just look up and smile and then kind of look back down.
03:48It's like it never seems to get old.
03:49I am happy to be there. It's great. I'm really enjoying it.
03:52And it's great that so many people are coming out to see us as well.
03:56And to be playing with the guys again, you know, I think it's, you couldn't get better than that.
04:01Well, you know, a lot of the summer festivals have been having a hard time.
04:04And then you guys are, which I think is due to your tour, I think is just destroying everybody else's summer.
04:10Because bands are doing, you know, 1,500 seats out of 10,000, 12,000 people.
04:14And you guys are doing huge numbers.
04:16So I guess the album coming out as highly ranked on the charts as it did is helpful.
04:22Yeah.
04:23But that had to be a complete shock. I mean, I know you guys weren't ready for that.
04:26I mean, number one in America was always one of my goals.
04:30But it was obviously number one in so many countries. It was mind blowing.
04:34In Japan it went to number five the first week.
04:36And I thought that was reasonably good.
04:38And the following week it went to number one. I'm like, what?
04:41Yeah, it's been incredible.
04:42Oh, it actually jumped from five to one?
04:44Yeah, yeah.
04:45I was like, wow.
04:46Could you feel momentum building with this record?
04:49In actual fact, we were so busy writing it for so long, you know.
04:54So it's like we wanted to get it done and get it out there.
05:02You never go into the studio and go, oh, I'm going to make a bad record.
05:05I made a good one. It's time for a bad record.
05:07You want everyone to beat the last one.
05:09And this one beat every record I've ever met.
05:13And we were getting feedback from, you know, other people that's heard it.
05:16Rick Rubin played it to some people and he'd say, oh, yeah, they love it.
05:20And these are other musicians.
05:22And it was just starting building from that, you know.
05:25And the word of mouth.
05:27I've had waitresses come up to me in comedy clubs.
05:29And they're, you know, they know I'm a Sabbath freak.
05:31And they're like, the new record is great.
05:33Like people that would never have listened to Black.
05:35There's something about this record that maybe it was just the advertising
05:38that finally got people to listen who wouldn't have listened before.
05:40I think so.
05:41But the response has been from so many different genres of people.
05:45You're hitting way more than Sabbath fans.
05:47And are you kind of sensing that? Have you felt that?
05:49Yeah, I think so, yeah.
05:51I mean, we've always been, you know, kept underground for many years.
05:54And then sort of now, I mean, it's really been brought to the foreground.
05:57And it's, it's, the attention's been sort of thrown at it big time.
06:02What was the promotion like for you on this one compared to the last one you did together?
06:07Because back in the older days, it was so much different.
06:09My first album was just word of mouth.
06:11I remember, I've been in a club and the manager at the Simonset doers.
06:16Your album goes in the charts and it was 17 or something next week.
06:19And I'm like, what?
06:21And just to take a record up to your folks and go, look, I made a record.
06:24That was, that was a big deal for me.
06:26Once you know you're number one, do you, do you start checking everything and every day?
06:29No, I've no idea what it was the next week.
06:32I was just happy to get number one.
06:34You didn't get, yeah.
06:35It doesn't get any better than that.
06:37After that, that's it.
06:38Yeah.
06:39Yeah, you don't want to start looking because eventually everything.
06:41I didn't want to start out.
06:42Yeah, who wants to look and go, oh good, number two now.
06:44It's like you want to just be, yeah.
06:45Yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:46What has the tour schedule been like for you guys?
06:48It seems like it's a pretty rigorous schedule.
06:49No, it's not, it doesn't mean that bad.
06:51It's been like one day on one, show, show day off, show day off, show day off.
06:55Is that easier for you to do like, like one day on, one day off?
06:58It's not easy.
06:59It's just as necessary.
07:00I think you get into a role as well, you know.
07:02When you have four or five days break in between, it's almost like, oh, you've got to come back again and stuff.
07:07Oh, okay.
07:08So if you take too many days off, it's almost like then you're relaxed and you don't want to reboot from zero as opposed to just kind of ebb and flow.
07:13That's right, yeah.
07:14Has the tour been as difficult on you as you thought or has it been a little bit easier than you thought?
07:19Like I noticed no difference on stage whatsoever.
07:21And you guys have indicated that Tony's just not the kind of guy who complains about things, who just kind of, you just...
07:26Never.
07:27That's an amazing quality to me.
07:29I enjoy a good complaining.
07:30I'm going to start moaning now.
07:33But is that something that, is that a quality you picked up from childhood?
07:38I'm amazed at people who can just kind of tough it out and do the work.
07:42Well, I don't really have an option.
07:44It's either not do it or do it.
07:46I like to do it and it's great to be with the guys.
07:49I mean, I wouldn't want to do it going out there on my own.
07:53I wouldn't do it.
07:54And for you guys, do you have a ritual before you go on stage?
07:58Because when we see you, it's just...
07:59Yes.
08:00What is it that you do as performers before you want?
08:03Well, we've all got different things we do.
08:04I want my voice off.
08:05I do a voice vocal exercise where I go and do a bit of physical jumping around.
08:11But I don't do too much.
08:13Is there anything you can't eat before?
08:15Like, if I drink milk, like that...
08:18That fucking horrible sound.
08:20You never want that.
08:21No.
08:22I think you do get into a thing of your little way of working.
08:25And I know my routine when I get there,
08:28is I have a drink of vegetable juice and all that stuff.
08:31We should have a bottle of vodka.
08:32And then you sort of sit down, play for a bit,
08:35and then I have a break and then eat.
08:38And you just get into that routine of what you're going to do before the show.
08:42And you're right.
08:43I guess at one point it was a bottle of vodka and then...
08:46And a line of this and a...
08:47Drugs, yeah.
08:48It's just wine now that I have.
08:49You just have an empty line now.
08:51A bottle of wine before I go on, yeah.
08:52And six beers.
08:53Oh, that's good.
08:54Something to just kind of...
08:55But you do drink the beers through the show, so that's not so bad.
08:58Do you drink the beers?
08:59Yeah, six of them.
09:01Before I go on.
09:02Here.
09:03Here.
09:04Do you have something easier that you have to do before a show?
09:09Yeah, I do a bit of yoga.
09:11And then I listen to whatever's in the top ten.
09:15Just to kind of take your mind off it a little bit?
09:18Yeah, and then I have chewing gum.
09:20Do you?
09:21I have a wee every five minutes.
09:23Yeah, me too.
09:24I think we're all the same as that.
09:25Every time you keep going to the toilet just before you go on, it's that bit of nerves,
09:29I think.
09:30I literally would just stand there and nothing comes out.
09:32And I'm like, what's the fucking matter with me?
09:33Oh, yeah, yeah.
09:34It's like a home.
09:35You've got to know.
09:36You get the food that you want to go, but you don't...
09:37And you leave it right to the last minute.
09:38Right.
09:39We're on in.
09:40Yeah, it has to be the last minute.
09:41And you have to carefully tuck it away in case you get a wet stain.
09:44Yeah.
09:45I'm beyond caring about that.
09:46I'll put the half a gallon down my throat.
09:48If I have a wet stain, I go, oh, there is something in there.
09:50That's why he throws water on himself so you don't notice.
09:54What do you do when you're on stage, Jim?
09:56You don't stop the show, you just go, I want to piss, I'll piss.
10:00I've never had the luxury of actually pissing on stage, but I would love to.
10:05Because it just seems like such a...
10:07Like you don't have to obsess about it before you go on.
10:09When I make the whole stuff, I'm like, you've got to do two minutes before I go on.
10:12And there's nothing worse than when you hear...
10:14It's all like when you're on the shit, though.
10:16It's even worse.
10:17Yeah, that's...
10:18You can throw chocolate ice cream on yourself.
10:20There's not much you can do about it.
10:24I've had times where I thought I was going to get physically sick on stage, too.
10:28I was going through a thing where I'm like, I'm going to vomit.
10:30And I finally just said to myself, it became a phobia.
10:32I'm like, just shut the fuck up and throw up if you have to.
10:35And then it went away.
10:36It was this...
10:37In your head, yeah.
10:38It was in my head.
10:39Yeah, I think we all get that to a point.
10:41I think if you're so jaded that you don't feel anything before you go on...
10:45Oh, no, you have to...
10:47I'm still like...
10:48It's like the ultimate feeling when you're going on.
10:50It's like, you've got to do your job properly.
10:52And when that music starts, when you hear that siren starting, and the curtain is there,
10:59and you know that they're seeing you, is there anything that can really compare to that?
11:03No.
11:04There's nothing in the world like it.
11:06Sex, drugs, booze, nothing like it.
11:09I'm feeling of getting that crowd.
11:11It's a lot different now, the green room even.
11:13Like, what do you have?
11:15And I've seen your green rooms, and it was nothing like people would think.
11:19What do you specifically like to have in the green room to snack on or before?
11:24Definitely tea.
11:25Teas, yeah.
11:26You know, English?
11:27Yeah, it used to be all alcohol and everything.
11:29Now it's green teas and whatever sort of teas.
11:33Herbal teas.
11:34Herbal teas.
11:35Coconut water.
11:36Coconut water, yeah.
11:37You know, I can't drink it.
11:38I've tried coconut water, and it's supposed to be very good for you, but it tasted like
11:42armpit.
11:43It tastes good for you.
11:44I just couldn't get used to it.
11:45It does.
11:46It's fucking weird.
11:47It does.
11:48I mean, how long before a show do you not like to be bothered?
11:51Like, is there a point where the show's about 24 hours?
11:55One hour.
11:56One hour.
11:57I have my one hour.
12:00I want my voice to sit down and relax.
12:04And there's nothing that you want to talk about?
12:06I mean, if they've fucked it out, I won't get pissed off, you know?
12:10It does.
12:11I mean, I don't like seeing people before we go on, to be honest.
12:15But because the way we've been travelling, we've had no option because we're released
12:18after the gig.
12:19But we've been seeing people before, and it does show you, because you do want to get
12:22into that routine and just clear your head.
12:25You know you're getting ready for the fight, you know?
12:27Because sometimes you go on stage, and everything possible that can go wrong, does go wrong.
12:33And I've always said there's nothing like a great gig, but at the same time there's nothing
12:36like a bad gig.
12:37It's like the other end of the spectrum, you know?
12:40You get them gigs sometimes as well.
12:43And the worst thing for us, for me and Tony, is when somebody comes up and gives you the extra
12:47strong handshake.
12:48And they've got rings on or something, yeah?
12:51Yeah.
12:52A bunch of skull rings.
12:54A bunch of skull rings.
12:56A bunch of skull rings, yeah.
12:59It's amazing how some people will still, like, I, again, before I go on the same, don't
13:04and my fucking accountant will literally call me, you know, and go, Jim, the receipts
13:09from 20,000, what, I'm going on to it.
13:12I'm going on to it.
13:14You guys, I have, I struggle with sleep a lot.
13:19It's a tortured thing for me, and...
13:22Ambien. I have to take Ambien every single night.
13:25You do?
13:25Yeah.
13:26Now does Ambien scares me? I took once during a sleep study, but then you get into that
13:30thing where you start making phone calls.
13:32Yes, he knows that.
13:34Have you gotten a few geezer Ambien phone calls?
13:36I have, yes, and emails.
13:37Oh, no.
13:38I've called him at 9 o'clock in the morning.
13:40Oh, that's...
13:41I want to play drums, not bass.
13:44He would do thousands of things from Amazon.
13:47And then when it comes the next one, I go, what the hell's all this stuff?
13:51Oh, he does.
13:52I don't remember doing it.
13:53Oh, he does, yeah.
13:54What have you ordered that you've looked at?
13:55I ordered 36, one of those rollers that you get cat lint off.
14:01Yes.
14:0236 of them.
14:03I just got 24 pairs of underpants yesterday that I don't remember ordering.
14:08Oh, he's funny.
14:09He's really funny once he starts.
14:11Do you have a point when you're tired on stage where, like for me, it's my road manager lighting
14:15his face and I know, okay, I have extra amount of time left, I'm in the home stretch.
14:19Is there a point for you guys that you go, okay, like, what moment is it for you that
14:23you go, I'm in the home stretch now, I'm okay.
14:24The drum solo.
14:25After the drum solo.
14:26Yeah, the drum solo, definitely.
14:28You know you've only got three songs to go.
14:31What do you guys do during the drum solo, by the way?
14:33That's the great...
14:34Me and Tony go, oh, is it now?
14:36It's getting longer and longer.
14:38And we're going, now.
14:40He keeps, he keeps announcing him.
14:42Oh, no, Tommy Clevino.
14:43Tommy Clevino.
14:44And then he...
14:45Oh, no, Tommy Clevino.
14:46And then he carries on again.
14:47It's the Tommy show now.
14:48Yeah.
14:49Yeah, he seems to enjoy a good drum solo.
14:50It is, it's getting longer and longer and longer.
14:52To tell a show, we actually play one five minute at a time and there's a bit...
14:56Yeah, it'd be a drum solo.
14:57You know, it'd be great if you guys just left him out there for as long as you possibly could
15:00just to see if he actually...
15:01Yeah, we should go home.
15:02We should do that.
15:03We should just leave him out there.
15:06Yeah.
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