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Taylor - S1E1
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00:00I think that the lesson is that you shouldn't care so much if you feel misunderstood by a lot of people who don't know you, as long as you feel understood by the people who do know you, the people who will show up for you, the people who see you as a human being.
00:20From the beginning, she became part of my life. Her voice just makes you feel like you're not alone. She was my rock before she was Taylor Swift.
00:46I don't want to become anyone who I'm not. You know, I want to be the same person at the end of this that I was when I began.
00:53I just fell in love with how she celebrated girlhood. It was permission to yearn.
00:59Yeah, exactly. Permission to yearn.
01:02She allows women to connect back to that 16-year-old self. That time in her life when every single glance is, like, apocalyptic.
01:15She's created a community on a scale that's probably never been done before.
01:20Taylor, right here.
01:21The biggest pop star on the planet, Taylor Swift, good morning.
01:25That's a bold introduction. I liked it.
01:27She wasn't the little girl from Nashville anymore. Every time she releases an album, she's selling millions.
01:33How are you gonna spend Valentine's Day? You gonna see Jake?
01:37And then she suddenly becomes the serial data running through men like paper.
01:42And what started off is just innocent, hey, I write songs about boys. It almost became weaponized.
01:48She's blonde, she's wealthy, she's white. All these kind of start stacking up against her.
01:53No matter where you turn, there was Taylor. Enough of this Taylor Swift person.
01:59Kanye, is Taylor Swift a bitch?
02:01All of a sudden, she's this liar who's deceitful and trying to manipulate people.
02:06She was being called a snake. Hashtag Taylor Swift is cancelled.
02:11This was really just a life and death moment.
02:14I absolutely loved the force with which Taylor came back.
02:19Whenever adversity comes her way, she comes back like the Avengers.
02:23It's like not only does she win, she wins big.
02:26Oh, like she just writes songs about her ex-boyfriends and I think frankly that's a very sexist angle to take.
02:31You just can't win a media war against Taylor Swift. You know, it's a fool's errand.
02:37I think it's undeniable. She's the most powerful musical artist in the world.
02:56When you look at this performance on the heiress tour, I hate to throw around a word like worship casually,
03:12but she certainly commands that level of devotion from fans that you do associate with large religious movements.
03:21She has a sense that there's a story that she's telling.
03:26The story was always about fans and it's always about her deep connection with them.
03:31She started in country music, which really prides itself on authenticity.
03:35And so that really kind of cemented this, you know, connection or bringing, you know, fans together with Taylor.
03:41I mean, country is a really notoriously white genre of music with conservative with a small c values.
03:48So Taylor coming up through country really cemented her into this lane of being America's perfect blonde all-American sweetheart.
03:57The American people, when we pledge our allegiance to the flag, feel renewed respect and love for all it represents.
04:18Ever since the disaster, a wave of patriotism has been spreading across America.
04:30Blue collar fans and family proudly showing their colors and embracing the music that gives voice to the lives they live.
04:40I started dragging my parents to festivals and fairs and karaoke contests when I was like 10 and came to Nashville for the first time when I was 11.
04:49And I had this demo CD of me singing karaoke music and walked into every major record label and was like,
04:55Hey, I'm Taylor. I'm 11. I want a record deal. You know, call me.
05:01So, you know, what I can see here is that as she's talking about how she tried to get her career off the ground, you know, she's very charming.
05:09You know, she's a little bit self-deprecating and the fact that she realized, okay, that wasn't going to work.
05:13But at the same time, she's extremely confident.
05:16What, you know, pre-teenager has the gumption to go into a big record label in Nashville and say,
05:23I'm, I'm talented enough. Give me a record deal. You know, who does that?
05:26Hit it, boys!
05:29Make a deal.
05:32You can see here, she is the kind of person who takes what she does, even as a small kid, very, very seriously.
05:45Dear Diary, sorry about the long wait. Boy, do I have a lot to tell you. New York, the best.
05:58I met a guitar slash country singer named Taylor Swift. She was nice, and I think we can be friends.
06:04I was 12. My family and I went to Point Pleasant Beach, which is the New Jersey shore.
06:19They had this boardwalk called Jenkinson's, and I heard country music playing and found Taylor on this little makeshift stage with about 20 people around her playing these songs.
06:33I'd never heard.
06:36This is a song I wrote yesterday, and it's about a girl who's just different.
06:42And I really like it because it's just so happy. So this is called Lucky You.
06:48This video shows exactly how she performed that day on the boardwalk. She was so talented and beautiful. I was just in awe of her stage presence. She was confident and she was just having fun.
07:03Here, Taylor is singing about a young girl who was born very different than everybody else, and she doesn't care. She's okay with that. Taylor sang about things that I cared about and that I related to. So I was absolutely mesmerized from the get-go.
07:32She was my age, which was wild to me. She was up there in front of everybody. I could never imagine doing something like that.
07:39When Taylor was done playing, her brother Austin was there with her handing out demo CDs. And so yeah, I went over, talked to her for a very little bit, and had her sign a little demo CD for me.
07:54I stuck it in my Walkman and put on my little headphones, tuned out the world, and just listened to these two songs on repeat for years.
08:07That CD was my constant. That CD was my, to not sound incredibly weird, but my friend.
08:14This photograph is of me and Taylor. It's the picture that was taken, my mom took it, of our first encounter.
08:23You know, it's just a picture to a lot of people. But it was a core memory for me because of what happened right after.
08:30That's really interesting to see because the relationship that her and I had was more like two girlfriends.
08:58I mean, we just cracked up all the time.
09:04The very first time that I met Taylor, when I said, Taylor, I said, what's your goal? She says, I want a gold record.
09:11And what that means is that you need to sell 500,000 copies of a record.
09:15And I'm like, great. Let's go meet 500,000 people.
09:24No one told us it was country night. Y'all want to hear some country music?
09:28Mommy's in that video.
09:30Yeah. Is that you right there?
09:32You can see that Taylor was incredibly driven and incredibly determined and incredibly young.
09:50In 2007, we did 300-ish shows. We lived on Up To Her Best that had been previously owned by Cher.
10:00So it was like decked out in leopard print. I slept on the bottom bunk and she was on the top bunk.
10:05Sort of was like having a little sister that was also your boss.
10:09She was somebody who always knew what she wanted. I would see her being interviewed constantly.
10:16Speak to radio stations, signing autographs.
10:18Your eyes are so gorgeous. They're so amazing.
10:22My mom took me for my birthday when I didn't have any friends.
10:24No way. Yeah.
10:26You can see she was very excited.
10:29She would sign autographs to anyone as long as they were willing to stand and wait for her.
10:34So sometimes that lasted hours and hours.
10:38She wanted people to feel better when she left than before she arrived.
10:43You can't teach that in business school. You can't teach that anywhere.
10:46You either have it or you don't have it.
10:54The first Taylor Swift song I heard was Teardrops On My Guitar.
10:58My dad and I have always bonded through music.
11:01We were at my parents' house in New Jersey and we had just finished dinner and he put it on the speaker.
11:08My dad picked me up in his arms and he told me to lay my head on his shoulder.
11:17And we were slow dancing around the living room to teardrops on my guitar.
11:22And he told me, he whispered in my ear, I will never forget this, he whispered in my ear,
11:25one day you're going to dance with someone that you love just like this.
11:35Teardrops On My Guitar is just such a wonderful, beautiful, slow, sad song to just kind of weep to.
11:42She's comparing herself to the girl that her crush is in love with.
11:59She's wondering, you know, why not me?
12:02I bet she's beautiful, that girl he talks about.
12:06She sees herself as, you know, the odd one out, as the weird girl, as the not popular girl.
12:12And she's got everything that I have to live without.
12:17But she's saying, when you're a young woman, it is so easy to compare yourself to others and think, oh, if this little thing changed, then this person will like me.
12:30I love love. I love writing about it. I love studying it. I love watching it. And I love all the things that go into it.
12:38You know, I got a call from my editor and he said, there's, you know, this new artist, Taylor Swift, I think you need to go interview her.
12:48I was running a recorder because I was with her for many hours, just following her around.
12:55One thing I have to say about the tapes is that you hear somebody who is pretty honest.
13:02I only write about things I'm going through. It's got to be personal for me.
13:06You know, I've definitely written songs, you know, when you're crying on the bathroom floor, because we've always got a bunch of things going on.
13:12We've always got a little hint that I miss him or I love him or I wish I had him or I wish I told him this.
13:22You're going through something and the only way that you know how to verbalize it is through music.
13:27Yeah, I like them when I can't tell them. I write it all in a song.
13:38In 2008, the financial crash happens, right? And the world is kind of plunged into this global recession.
13:45Music sales drop, particularly CDs, but Taylor does this quite incredible feat of bucking that trend and actually selling albums.
13:53This is my album that came out in October and I wrote every song on the album, so I'm pretty excited about it.
14:00And let me, seriously, if we're doing show and tell, this, my friends, is my gold record.
14:07I can see this video and know she's received something she's really proud of.
14:11All of her hard work is starting to pay off.
14:13She taps into this market that is not really being served by the music industry at this moment in time.
14:23Young women and girls who are looking for someone who can essentially be a proxy for their feelings, right?
14:29Someone who they can relate to, can sing songs that they feel have been written for them about their lives.
14:34I just fell in love with how she celebrated girlhood and how she gave me permission to feel all my big feelings.
14:44It was permission to yearn.
14:46Yep, exactly. Permission to yearn.
14:49There really wasn't a mold for it.
14:53You know, she wasn't sexy. She wasn't doing this, like, girl-woman thing like a Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera.
14:58That was a very important message for that time because it showed that women didn't need to be sexualized to be famous.
15:142009 was a big year for Taylor. She was having such a wonderful time.
15:20I was really looking forward to the VMAs.
15:22Made some popcorn and sat down on the couch and turned on the VMAs and was watching it and it was going great and then...
15:29Taylor Swift.
15:31I got this amazing high when Taylor won her award and was like, oh my god, I'm so excited for her.
15:37And she looked so happy.
15:39And then all of a sudden somebody runs up on stage and my stomach dropped.
15:42I'm really happy for you. I'm gonna let you finish.
15:45But Beyoncé had one of the best videos of all time.
15:47As he was talking, you just saw her face fall.
15:52She looked so vulnerable.
15:54The way she was sort of, like, playing with the award, it's heartbreaking.
16:00And I can't imagine thinking all of those people are booing you.
16:05People are booing you.
16:15Yo, Taylor.
16:17I'm really happy for you. I'm gonna let you finish.
16:20But Beyoncé had one of the best videos of all time.
16:22At that moment, I am so proud of her because she stayed quiet.
16:36That was a conversation that Taylor and I had years before that.
16:40Humility and grace.
16:43As I said, somebody give Kanye a hug.
16:46We cannot buy that kind of publicity.
16:48Now they're all going to Yahoo and Google.
16:50Who's this Taylor Swift? Who's this Taylor Swift?
16:53Boom.
16:55Kanye West was huge, you know.
16:57At the time, he was one of the most prolific and celebrated rappers and producers in history.
17:02Taylor Swift grew up listening to songs off his first album.
17:06When that happened, the day after Kanye West immediately went on television to apologize.
17:11You can see he regrets it. He wishes he didn't do it.
17:15I immediately knew in this situation that it was wrong and it wasn't a spectacle or just, you know, it's actually someone's emotions, you know, that I stepped on and it was very, it was just, it was rude period.
17:31And, you know, I'd like to be able to apologize to her in person.
17:34It really kind of sets Taylor up to be this kind of woman who's always in the victim position. And she takes to music to kind of right some of these wrongs.
17:46Being here is incredible. I'm excited and I'm nervous. And, you know, whenever I'm feeling strong emotions about something like this, I usually write a song about it.
18:07She's a storyteller. She is the primary character in most of the stories that she tells, whether she's telling them in the songs or here in how she's presenting herself to the public.
18:21And when somebody hijacks your story, it's hard to know where to go with that.
18:27You might be expecting me to say something bad about Kanye and how he ran up on the stage and ruined my VMA monologue.
18:44But there's nothing more to say because everything's okay. I've got security lining the stage.
18:51But see, here's, this is, this is one of the things I think it's just, she appreciates the humor. She appreciates the story.
19:03She's back in control of the narrative.
19:06She has an incredible amount of wealth and privilege, but she is still able to write that underdog's narrative, right?
19:14Really, really well, because I think she has felt it, you know, and it has experienced that, that in the past.
19:37She's very poised, especially from a very young age. You know, people didn't know what to make of her.
19:41She was in high school, still taking regular classes and then jetting off to sing the national anthem.
19:47She's the straight A student. She's the goody-goody. She's the perfect girl.
19:51In her school, kids are saying, ew, you're weird. Like, why are you even doing that? You have frizzy hair.
19:56We were in middle school and anything that makes a difference in middle school might be weird.
20:03I would sit down and go on the table and the girls would play at the table.
20:07They'd be like, what did you do this weekend?
20:10I was, you know, playing at a coffee house that weekend.
20:14Took me out on social scene automatically and they couldn't really like me more.
20:19The first time in my life, I felt really, really low up.
20:28I think whatever she experienced, she felt very deeply.
20:33Taylor takes slights very seriously.
20:36She has always written about the things that she has felt most deeply.
20:42And so those are the kinds of things that came out in her first songs.
20:48I just want to learn the simple. Do I have to do that?
20:56Okay.
20:58No, you don't have to do anything.
21:00She's like, do I have to do that? Like, to play this song?
21:03Am I going to have to play that crazy chord you're playing?
21:06Taylor and I started writing in 2003.
21:09She showed me a song that she wrote called The Outside.
21:11Just feeling like she was, you know, she wasn't part of the group, the gang.
21:17And she also knew, I think, that she had something special to offer the world.
21:21So that makes it a little tougher to fit in.
21:24But I remember when she was singing the song and she was in the studio.
21:28This is the lyric sheet.
21:30So she's got the lyric sheet on a music stand with a pencil.
21:33She put the world over here and she's over here and the world is here.
21:37That's how outside she felt.
21:38So how can I ever try to be better?
21:41Nobody lets me in.
21:43I can still see you.
21:44This ain't the best view on the outside looking in.
21:49A couple of months after I got back from New Jersey and I had met Taylor,
21:55I encountered a situation that was something that a child should never have to encounter.
22:02And I was so grateful to have Taylor.
22:08And her CD was something of armor for me.
22:14She was somebody I would write to in my diary because I couldn't talk to anybody else.
22:18Hi Taylor.
22:19I hid in my room and blasted Lucky You all weekend.
22:24It's getting bad.
22:25I put stacks of books in front of the doors and check if they moved.
22:28I asked for locks but no way Jose.
22:34I want to live somewhere happy but I'm scared of everything.
22:39I listen to Lucky You in the shower all the time and that was not always a safe place for me.
22:46And so when I had her music playing and I was singing her music and I was okay and I felt safe.
22:54Something about her voice just makes you feel like you're not alone.
22:59She saved me.
23:00Love you.
23:02Love you.
23:04Love you.
23:06Hey guys.
23:08Thank you so much.
23:11No, I think I'm gonna carry them as long as they'll let me hand them.
23:16This is the dream come true.
23:19It's like I've never been presumptuous about dreams.
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27:58Đó là một cái gì đó là chuyện đó, nhưng đó là chuyện đó không phải trong cuộc sống của tôi, nhưng đó là chuyện đó không phải trong cuộc sống của tôi nữa.
28:04Cảm ơn cô ấy biết rằng khi cô ấy đọc về xe và người cô ấy đối với nhưng mà cô ấy đối với các bạn để tìm hiểu thông tin để tìm hiểu thông tin.
28:14Cảm ơn cô ấy đã theo dõi một chương trình thông tin để tìm hiểu thông tin.
28:18Và khi tôi tìm hiểu thông tin, tôi sẽ không thể tìm hiểu thông tin,
28:22tôi không thể tìm hiểu thông tin với tôi trong 25 phút sau khi tôi was 18.
28:28Cảm ơn cô ấy đã theo dõi đoán của cô ấy.
28:31Cảm ơn cô ấy đã theo dõi một cái gì đó đều hả của cô ấy nói về,
28:35và đều hả đã theo dõi đoán của cô ấy nói về,
28:37nhưng mà cũng không thể nói rằng điều gì đó hả đã nói về, có thể nói về mạnh phạt.
28:43Hi, Taylor.
28:44Hi, how are you going to spend Valentine's Day?
28:47Hi.
28:48Hi, Jake?
28:49She probably didn't realize that her dating various different men
28:53hả would invite this much tabloid speculation,
28:55nhưng mà không nói chuyện gì đó, không nói chuyện gì nữa,
28:59cũng nói chuyện gì đó, cũng nói chuyện gì đó, cũng nói chuyện gì đó.
29:01Cái chuyện gì đó, cũng nói chuyện gì đó,
29:03và tôi nghĩ rằng đó là phát biến thức, cô không có thể là đủ.
29:07Nói, chúng ta nói về vấn đề thứ nhất,
29:09chúng ta sẽ không thể nhận ra được tập trung thức.
29:13Vậy đó?
29:14Điều đó là gì?
29:15Vậy đó là gì?
29:16Vậy là tôi sẽ nói,
29:17tôi sẽ nói chuyện gì.
29:18Tôi sẽ nói chuyện gì...
29:20Tại sao...
29:21Nhưng tôi không muốn...
29:23Tôi sẽ nói chuyện gì đó.
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31:28I'm not gonna walk home with any men tonight
31:30I was on a farm and ran around Fairfield all the time
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32:03I think Taylor thinks of her childhood as incredibly idyllic
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32:58I think that was always the plan for her to be as famous as she is now
33:12What I was told was all the tools being put in the box to get her there
33:15I'm not trying to be a pread here, but if I'm the mom of a 10-year-old girl in the audience,
33:19there were just a couple of moves there that I would be like...
33:22No, you're right, you're right.
33:22I'm not looking at that.
33:24You can see her mom was her chaperone.
33:27Her mom was her confidant.
33:29Her mom has been her support system.
33:31My mom and I have always been really close,
33:34and she's always been the friend that was always there.
33:38There were times when in middle school and junior high, I didn't have a lot of friends,
33:42but my mom was always my friend.
33:44Watching that, Taylor is so much of her mother's influence.
33:49If there had been no Andrea, there would probably be no Taylor Swift.
33:54She was functioning as a manager, as a personal assistant, but also as a mom.
33:58I mean, she essentially gave up her life to help her daughter pursue her career.
34:05There are so many people that deserve to be thanked for this, but I'm just going to thank one,
34:09and that's the person that used to love to go to lunch with her friends
34:13and cook dinner for her family and sleep in her bed every night.
34:17And she gave that all away and left it all behind to go on the road with her 16-year-old daughter.
34:23And then she was sleeping in rental cars and in airplanes with her mouth hanging wide open
34:30because she was so tired.
34:33And so, Mom, thank you so much.
34:37I love you.
34:38This is for you.
34:40Those things that she said in that speech were so accurate.
34:43You know, she gave up everything for her to have that opportunity.
34:47I think you always think your parents need to sacrifice for you.
34:51Realizing that they don't have to and they choose to is something different.
34:56That's what I saw.
35:05Kayla, right here.
35:06This is the moment where she moves to New York and kind of almost like reinvents herself
35:16kind of like every other young woman who moves to New York ever does.
35:20Ladies and gentlemen, we are proud and happy to have a young lady
35:24who has now become, believe it or not, the biggest pop star on the planet,
35:29Taylor Swift.
35:30Good morning.
35:30That's a bold introduction.
35:32I liked it.
35:32Well, six of the top ten are yours.
35:35Yeah, it's been good.
35:37During the 1989 era, I think she was very much over the only being asked about
35:41who she was dating.
35:42So she was like, fuck that.
35:44I'm going to move to New York.
35:45I'm going to hang out with my girlfriends.
35:47I'm going to, like, live my life a little and not have it be about a boy.
35:57With 1989, it's really clear what Taylor is doing.
36:00She is reinventing herself as a new kind of musician, a more mature songwriter.
36:06It's a really difficult transition for a lot of musicians to make,
36:10and she just does it so well.
36:12And the songs are, you know, enormously catchy.
36:15You know, you would be hard-pressed to find a music critic
36:18who doesn't agree that that album is a kind of pop masterpiece.
36:22I think why Shake It Off works is because it is such a classic pop song.
36:40You know, there's a kind of call and response bit
36:43where she talks to the audience, the audience talks back.
36:46And I think that's what really resonated with a lot of people.
36:48I mean, right off the bat, I mean, I think you'd have to be living under a rock
36:56to not know that Blank Space is lyrical retaliation.
37:01I'll be the crazy cat lady.
37:02And in the first moment, it's just her with her cat and just like...
37:06Saw you there and I thought, oh my God, look at that face.
37:11You look like my next mistake.
37:13This is ushering in a new era of...
37:16I know, I have a reputation.
37:17So it's gonna be forever
37:19Or it's gonna go down in flames.
37:22Those are the only two options.
37:24We're gonna be together forever or it's going to go down in flames.
37:28There's no just normal relationship.
37:30Cause you know I love the players
37:32And you love the game
37:34I really think she's like talking to the media there.
37:37Like, you love the game I play.
37:39Like, I sell your news.
37:42I sell your magazines.
37:43I sell, like, I...
37:45All those clicks on your site because of me.
37:48But I've got a blank space, baby
37:50And I'll write your name
37:53To say, I've got a blank space, baby
37:55And I'll write your name
37:56It's a nod to every time she goes on a talk show
37:59And it's like, well, who is it now?
38:00Who is it now?
38:01Who is it now?
38:02And to turn that into this little
38:03Well, I've got a blank space.
38:10In the mid-2010s
38:15She's riding high off 1989
38:17And this feud that she's had with Kanye West
38:20Is slowly kind of defrosting.
38:23She's also talked about how
38:24She wanted to be liked.
38:26You know, this whole kind of
38:27Good girl, people-pleasing side to her
38:30Kind of came out
38:31Especially given that she'd grown up
38:33Listening to Kanye's music
38:34It felt important to her
38:36To gain and win back his respect
38:38She even presents the MTV Vanguard Award to him at the VMAs
38:43And that is widely perceived to be a sign that they've just squashed the beef
38:46So I guess I have to say to all the other winners tonight
38:49I'm really happy for you
38:51And I'm gonna let you finish
38:54But Kanye West has had one of the greatest careers of all time
39:00I mean, it's a really sweet video
39:05And I think it really says something about Taylor's approach to relationships
39:08And really terrible slash fascinating from a hindsight perspective
39:13I am honored to present the 2015 Vanguard Award to my friend Kanye West
39:21And she's also using humor to defuse the situation, right?
39:26It's like, why poke the bear again?
39:29You know, why bring it back up?
39:37And then here's this video of Kanye and Taylor
39:40It seemed like two friends wanting to support each other's growth
39:45And willing to do anything for each other
39:48So my next single, I wanted you to tweet it
39:53So that's why I'm calling you
39:54That I wanted you to put the song out
39:56I guess it would just be people would be like
39:58Why is this happening?
40:00The reason why it would be happening
40:02Is because it has a very controversial line
40:05At the beginning of the song about you
40:07Well, is it gonna be mean?
40:11No, I don't think it's mean
40:12Okay, then let me hear it
40:15Okay, it says, um, to all my Southside n**** that know me best
40:21I feel like Taylor Swift might owe me sex
40:25That's about me
40:29Okay
40:30Our nation was founded on a bedrock principle
40:41That we are all created equal
40:44This morning, the Supreme Court recognized that the Constitution guarantees marriage equality
40:50The American dream is dead
40:55But if I get elected president
40:58I will bring it back
41:00Bigger and better and stronger than ever before
41:07And we will make America great again
41:11Fight back! Fight back!
41:15No keys!
41:18Hold me!
41:20Taylor can only talk about certain things in certain ways at certain points in her life
41:25Then there's also the world around her changing
41:28Taylor!
41:29People expected more from pop stars
41:31But, you know, she had a track record at that point of talking about her own personal issues
41:37You know, she was talking about her life
41:39For me, I feel like at 22, it's my right to vote
41:42But it's not my right to tell other people what to do
41:45Right there, right there, sister
41:47Come on, come on
41:48Come on!
41:50So, you know, what I can see here is that
41:52She is so careful about what she says in public
41:54And is always very thoughtful and careful about what she says
41:58Politics was potentially part of her life
42:00But it wasn't anything she necessarily talked about
42:03People forget how young she was
42:05I think she was still trying to figure out what she stood for
42:09What she wanted to say
42:10She was just living her life and enjoying her success
42:14Taylor is basically riding high
42:22And she's got the girl's squad
42:24You know, this group of women that she would surround herself with
42:28Karlie Kloss, Gigi Hadid
42:30People looked at the mainly white, very attractive, conventionally successful women
42:37What's up with that?
42:44Because it's female friendship, it's about solidarity
42:47It's about her, you know, not just being defined by men
42:50But by the women she hangs out with
42:51I think she thought that that was going to be
42:54Above any kind of criticism or judgment
42:56She would have, you know, amazing over-the-top 4th of July parties
43:00And they would all be Instagrammed
43:02And, you know, she would be hanging out with her friends
43:03I mean, she was enjoying being young
43:05And she really, she faced a lot of backlash for it
43:08People just thought
43:11This all just seems a little bit manufactured
43:14Like, do you seriously want us to believe that
43:16On one night you're hanging out with Lord
43:18Then you're going for dinner with Selena
43:19Then you're hanging out for a sleepover with Lena Dunham
43:22And it just seems a little bit kind of unbelievable
43:26No matter where you turned
43:28There was Taylor
43:29Enough of this Taylor Swift person
43:34People wanted more and more and more and more from her
43:37And they were like, whoa, you're too much
43:39You're too much
43:40She was everywhere
43:42She deserved to be
43:43And she worked so freaking hard
43:45To get where she was
43:47But the public didn't see that
43:49And they wanted to tear it down
43:52In 2016 Kanye West released a song called Famous
44:15Where he basically raps, you know
44:17I made that bitch famous
44:19Referring to the VMA's stage invasion
44:21It's shot in a way that feels non-consensual
44:25And I think it's no surprise that Taylor
44:28Has actually described it as a form of revenge porn
44:32Even though that is just a wax figurine of her lying in bed
44:35Taylor is like, hey, you called me a bitch
44:40And that lyric is really offensive
44:43And I'm really uncomfortable with you using my image
44:46To, like, be naked in bed with you
44:49Like, I didn't know that this was happening
44:51You didn't ask me if this was okay
44:53There are going to be people along the way
44:55Who will try to undercut your success
44:58Or take credit for your accomplishments
45:02Or your fame
45:04But if you just focus on the work
45:08And you don't let those people sidetrack you
45:10Someday when you get where you're going
45:12You'll look around
45:14And you will know that it was you
45:16And the people who love you
45:17Who put you there
45:19And that will be the greatest feeling in the world
45:21Thank you for this moment
45:24Here is a moment where you find Taylor
45:27In a very avenging mood
45:28You know, she's angry
45:29Taylor hits back and says
45:32I did not give permission to be referenced in this song
45:36Like, I did not, you know, approve this lyric
45:39And unfortunately for Taylor
45:41At this point in time
45:43Kanye West is also married to Kim Kardashian
45:44Who also has a really ironclad understanding
45:48Of how to work a media narrative
45:50And how to come out looking like the underdog
45:53Kim proceeds to edit up a video of this phone call
45:57To make it sound like Taylor
45:59Like, gave her full-blown approval
46:00It's just like, it's a really cool thing to do
46:03Like, and a really good show of friendship
46:06So thank you
46:07Oh, thank you too
46:09And, you know, if people ask me about it
46:11I think it would be great for me to be like
46:14Look, she called me and told me the line
46:15Before it came out
46:16Like, jokes about you guys, we're fine
46:18When Kim tweets this video
46:22She adds a snake emoji
46:23And the internet ran with that
46:27She was being called a snake
46:29It was part of hashtags
46:31The hashtag Taylor Swift is over party
46:33Hashtag Taylor Swift is cancelled
46:44She could have saved a million babies
46:52And solved world hunger
46:54And nobody would have cared
46:57It wouldn't have mattered
46:58Kanye, has Taylor Swift the bitch?
47:01People blew this out of proportion
47:05I mean, she was getting death threats
47:07To have something at that magnitude
47:11Just go completely off the rails
47:14And there was no stopping that train
47:17No matter what she did
47:18I think it must have been really horrendous
47:28For Taylor to have to go through this
47:29Because she starts her career
47:31As this homespun folksy country gal
47:34From Nashville, Tennessee
47:35Then all of a sudden
47:36She's this liar who's deceitful
47:38And trying to manipulate people
47:40And has been caught red-handed
47:42And I think that was part of the glee
47:44With which people were taking her down with
47:45Because she'd vindicated all these things
47:47That people had been saying about her
47:48And depressed about her playing the victim
47:50So I think if you were a fan
47:51You were probably very confused and puzzled
47:54Like, which of these Taylors is actually real?
47:56Which is the real Taylor?
47:57I think she felt she couldn't do anything to stop it
47:59We didn't really know where it was going to go from there
48:02We hadn't really seen anybody come back from that
48:04Who knows what would come next?
48:07So she had to retreat and regroup and figure out
48:09Because, you know, could this be the end of her career?
48:15We can always rely on this lot
48:23For a comforting dose of drama
48:25Stream New Made in Chelsea now
48:26With Livvy, Jack and Kit
48:28The talk of SW3 at the minute
48:30Taylor's story continues next here
48:32Can she bounce back to conquer the world once more?
48:35I reckon she might
48:35Part 2, on the way
48:45baycan Kenji
49:05The talk with Livvy
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