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08:07So by the end, basically, she's also sort of, you know, making fun of herself.
08:20She has all of her old selves and she's basically saying, you know, you're so pathetic, you
08:25know, before anyone else can criticize her, she's criticizing herself, which was a really
08:30bold move.
08:30Well, you know what, if that's how you're going to think of it, I'm going to get there
08:38first.
08:39I'm going to be the one that's mocking myself before you can mock me.
08:43Well, everything reaches saturation, doesn't it?
08:47I mean, a brand, chocolates, coffee, whatever we consume.
08:51So a clever brand is constantly replenishing or reinventing itself.
08:55And it's the same with an artist because otherwise you get stuck with the same audience.
09:00So in a way, you're heading towards a cliff.
09:03It can be like falling off a cliff edge, it can happen overnight.
09:08Over the years, I've worked with some of the greatest names in entertainment, including
09:12Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, David Bowie for 40 years, Prince, Michael Jackson, Amy Winehouse,
09:19Spice Girls, Sex Pistols, I mean, a lot.
09:23You've got to be brave and you've got to take the risk and keep rewriting the story because
09:30fans grow up and fans move on to other things.
09:34So you want to be reinventing yourself, it's a constant, you need that momentum, perpetual
09:38momentum.
09:39Taylor's really fantastic the way she does that.
09:42There was a bit of a bait and switch that happened with this album when we put out Look What You
09:47Made Me Do and we're like, guys, this album's going to be one thing.
09:51And when the album came out, it's legitimately an album about finding love throughout all the
09:56noise.
09:57If you didn't find something real in spite of a bad reputation, then isn't that what matters
10:03the most to you?
10:05I think when you watch this footage of Taylor, she's very much in this big sister mold where
10:10she's kind of relatable and protective and strong.
10:15And I think that's what people really appreciate her for.
10:18Reputation is kind of a weird album for me because it's such a shift stylistically.
10:25It was her first album about being in a deep, long-term relationship.
10:31It was about the start of her relationship with Joe Allen, where before she could write
10:42a song about somebody that she had broken up with and not worry about their reaction.
10:49Now she's writing a song about the most intimate moments of her life because that's what she's
10:55always written about.
10:57The person that she's writing about is still going to want to be around her at the end of
11:02the day.
11:04She meets this person and it's like, oh, you're meeting me at the worst, lowest place that I've
11:10been in public perception.
11:12And you still like me?
11:13Oh, that must mean you really like me.
11:15They sing for the best.
11:17My reputation's never been worse so.
11:20You must like me for me.
11:23What I love about this song, she's singing about a love that she could recede into.
11:29My reputation's never been worse so.
11:32You must like me for me.
11:35It's a calm love.
11:36It's a safe love.
11:38It's a love despite the world hating me.
11:41I don't have to listen to all of you because I have this.
11:44And this is, you know, bringing me so much love and joy.
11:56Here comes daddy with the baby home from the hospital and her nanny.
12:03They said it would never happen.
12:06I watched that video so many different times.
12:09Her parents arriving home with Taylor right around Christmas time.
12:13It kind of reminded me of the imagination and fairy tale and the happily ever after.
12:20I think that's something that was instilled in her from her parents and her family.
12:26I was always into all the stories and fairy tales and things like that when I was little.
12:31And, you know, every single night of my brother that I would offer her to tell me a story.
12:36And I wouldn't settle for anything I'd heard before.
12:39Something that made up stories.
12:41I mean, at the end of the day, she would just collapse on the top.
12:44Like, I can't anymore.
12:47Above anything else, she romanticizes life in the best way.
12:51I read at one point that she would always fast forward through the villain part of her fairy tales.
12:58Because she just, you know, the happy spots and the happy parts.
13:01And I think that really stems from the fairy tales that she grew up on.
13:07When I had a favorite song when I was growing up, I would always wonder who it was written about.
13:13Also, when people wrote songs for people's names in them, that kind of became a story with a character.
13:19And identify the character benefits a fairy tale.
13:24It benefits a story.
13:25And it's real.
13:27And in the real world, the bad guy can be charming and endearing and funny.
13:34You can't tell until it all hits you.
13:36And that's what I write songs about a lot.
13:39The differences between fairy tales and reality.
13:42There's so many.
13:43When we're little, we're taught to see that bad guy.
13:47It's very obvious.
13:48But in real life, it's not that way at all.
13:51You've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs.
14:05Donald Trump can be heard making some extremely crude comments about himself and women.
14:10I have tremendous respect for women.
14:11Have you ever done those things?
14:13And women have respect for me.
14:14And I will tell you, no, I have not.
14:16Women will be silent no more.
14:21Stories flooded social media and painted a picture of just how many people endorse sexual abuse and harassment every day.
14:29In Denver today, Taylor Swift testified that a former radio host groped her while they were posing for a photo.
14:41He lost his job and sued the pop star.
14:44She countersued.
14:46They got to hear from Taylor Swift.
14:48They knew that within a couple hours of this happening, she had told her mother.
14:53She was very adamant about what happened.
14:55She was appropriately angry.
14:57In 2017, which is the same year the allegations against Harvey Weinstein are exposed for the first time in the press,
15:04Taylor Swift takes an ex-radio DJ called David Mueller to court.
15:08And she alleges that in 2013, he put his hand up her skirt and sexually assaulted her during a photo meet and greet.
15:16He sues her for defamation and she countersues him for sexual assault.
15:19And the whole thing plays out in court in public.
15:22One of the questions she's asked is, there's a photo of you allegedly being assaulted by this man.
15:29Why isn't the front of your skirt wrinkled?
15:32And then she goes, because my ass is not on the front of my skirt.
15:35The jury sided with the pop star.
15:37She had been assaulted and in keeping with her wishes, Mr. Mueller was ordered to pay a dollar in damages.
15:44It gives courage and inspiration to all people, not just women, but to all people, to have the courage to draw lines.
15:53The interesting thing about the Me Too court case is I get the sense that maybe part of her just snapped and said,
15:58you know what, actually, I'm not going to stand for this anymore.
16:02Time magazine puts her on the cover with other whistleblowers, including Ashley Judd, who is one of Harvey Weinstein's first victims.
16:10Here is a moment where she just wants to make a point that women won't stand for this kind of treatment.
16:14This day a year ago was the day that the jury decided in my favor and said that they believed me.
16:29I just wanted to say I'm sorry to anyone who ever wasn't believed because I don't know what turn my life would have taken if somebody,
16:37if people didn't believe me when I said that something had happened to me.
16:43So I guess I just wanted to say that we have so, so, so much further to go.
16:49And I'm so grateful to you guys for being there for me during what was a really, really horrible part of my life.
17:00It marks a little bit of a turning point in how open she was willing to be about politics and the stance that she took on issues.
17:07Because following this, she releases a track called You Need to Calm Down, which is about supporting LGBTQ rights as an ally.
17:14The music video was incredibly glossy, filled with LGBTQ plus celebs, and was widely seen to be centering Taylor rather than queer people.
17:37People wanted someone to say something serious and meaningful and deep and thoughtful.
17:42And they didn't think that a kind of glossy pop song with a colorful music video cut the mustard, basically.
17:49I think it shows up this idea that Taylor can't win, even when her intentions are good.
17:54Around this time that Taylor starts being a bit more of a political animal, there is a kind of bigger question in the room, right?
18:11With Donald Trump in the White House and America being more divided than ever before,
18:15Is Taylor going to talk about Democrat versus Republican?
18:22So Taylor coming up through country and, you know, doing things like performing the national anthem at sports games really cemented her into this lane of being like a perfect kind of all-American domestic goddess.
18:50There are people who are critical and younger people, too, that she's not political enough, that she's too late to the party with her politics, that, you know, she's too white.
19:01Like, they just don't want to give time to a blonde white woman.
19:06Would I make a good politician? I don't know. I mean, I'm an 18-year-old girl.
19:10It's like, I'm not going to sit here and go into my political views because that's not what I chose to do. I chose to do music. But honestly, it's just really good to see women progress.
19:22That's a can statement. It's tough because you're never going to win an argument when it comes to religion or politics. Period.
19:30And because of things that Taylor can't control, the fact that she's, you know, young, she's blonde, she's wealthy, she's white, she's American, you know, Taylor has always walked that tightrope.
19:42If she doesn't speak about politics, she's seen as pandering to the right. If she does speak about politics, she's seen as being a performative ally by the left.
19:55And I think what changed is that, first of all, she started getting associated with far right causes.
20:02White supremacists have found an interesting person to idolize. Taylor Swift has been named by one fringe group of white supremacists.
20:10And they think that, hey, you know, she's blonde, she's white, and she secretly hates the Jews.
20:16Adolf Hitler quotes were attributed to her and put on pictures of her and went viral, making it seem like she'd said all these awful things.
20:24things. And I don't doubt that there will have been some part of a calculation when it came to speaking out more publicly about politics,
20:30where she wanted to distance herself from this kind of heinous fan group that had somehow attached themselves to her.
20:43Thank you so much for this. And I just wanted to make a mention of the fact that this award and every single award given out tonight
20:50were voted on by the people and you know what else is voted on by the people.
20:58Is the midterm elections on November 6th. Get out and vote. I love you guys.
21:02I think that's brave to come out and tell people to vote.
21:05But what is harder is to come out as a party political animal and to tell people explicitly to vote for one person over another.
21:13We are less than three weeks out until the midterms and Tennessee Senate candidate Marsha Blackburn is up in the polls.
21:21But we know that the one poll that counts is November 6th.
21:25Then we're determined to be winning on November 6th. And the early vote starts today.
21:31It all really comes to a head with the 2018 midterm elections where a Republican senator called Marsha Blackburn from Tennessee is up for reelection.
21:40And this is a senator who has voted against equal pay, against gay rights.
21:46I can't see another commercial and see her disguising these policies behind the words Tennessee Christian values.
21:57Those aren't Tennessee Christian values.
21:59I live in Tennessee. I am Christian.
22:02That's not what we stand for.
22:04I need to do this. I need you to just... Dad needs you to forgive me for doing it because I'm doing it.
22:10Watching the Miss Americana documentary and her tearful conversation with her father where it is quite clear that she's asking him for forgiveness for what she's about to do.
22:21Why do you think Taylor Swift out of nowhere decided to get political?
22:25This is what I used to love about Taylor Swift is she stayed away from politics.
22:29She used it's all about music, all about, you know, female empowerment.
22:32Yesterday on Instagram, she wrote, I've been reluctant to publicly voice my political opinions.
22:37I feel very differently about that now.
22:39I mean, I think many people are impressed and some are frightened about the fact that Taylor Swift can send out, you know, one tweet and 35,000 people will register to vote in 12 hours.
22:53Right? It's having that kind of reach.
22:57Let's say that I like Taylor's music about 25% less now. Okay?
23:06All right. This is the big story.
23:08Singer Taylor Swift is slamming music executive Scooter Braun after he acquired the record company that owns her music,
23:15Big Machine Label Group, which released Taylor Swift's first six albums.
23:19Scooter Braun being a great businessman said, wait, the Taylor Swift catalogs available for purchase? Count me in.
23:30Which brings us to Scooter Braun.
23:32Um, yeah.
23:35Here's someone who managed the guy that walked on stage and took my award.
23:41And it wasn't about business at that point. It was personal.
23:54I moved to Tennessee. And every single day I would go to high school.
23:58My mom would pick me up and then I would have to write songs with people.
24:01Before these meetings, I would literally have about 10 to 15 almost finished songs.
24:07Because I wanted to prove that I wasn't there ever after.
24:11Right from the get-go, Taylor directed the session.
24:17We wrote three songs in the first two days that we were together.
24:22And two of those are on the debut album, Taylor Swift.
24:26After we'd written a few songs, her dad started saying, hey, Rob, look at that.
24:31Here's another 15 that she wrote or here's, I mean, there's, I have tons of these.
24:36These are all from, like, back, way back.
24:40I mean, she's as young as 11 on some of these.
24:42I mean, most of these have never seen the light of day.
24:45So here's 16 songs.
24:47Copyright 2003, the same year we started writing.
24:50None of those are anything you've ever heard.
24:53Anytime I write any song with anybody, it goes in a file just like,
24:57in case someday it becomes a hit, I can go, well, here's what it looked like before, you know, the day we wrote it.
25:02Place in this world.
25:05It was a really strong idea because it was really what her life is.
25:09And she just says, I don't know what I want, so don't ask me, because I'm still trying to figure it out.
25:14I'm trying to see through the rain coming down, even though I'm the only one who feels the way I do.
25:19What's cool about that is, like, every kid feels that way, but millions of kids were able to relate to that line.
25:25You see what I'm saying?
25:26She had a plan, and she wasn't going to go off that plan, and she was not going to be stopped.
25:32And people were telling her, no, left and right.
25:35You're too young.
25:36Let these other songwriters guide you.
25:38She was having none of that.
25:40I know there were people that wrote with her that I wrote with that said, yeah, I wrote with her.
25:45It's like she didn't want to listen to any of my ideas.
25:47Like, well, yeah, but did you listen to her ideas?
25:49Because that's all you need to do.
25:51Late 2004, I had a regular standing gig at the Bluebird Cafe, and I just suggested maybe we just do a show at the Bluebird.
26:04What you're trying to do is get all the record labels to come see the show and give her a recording deal.
26:12All the major label people showed up.
26:17I'm looking at them, I'm seeing all these big ones.
26:20There's one guy that is really getting it, and has his eyes closed.
26:26I get noticing him, and after the show, he can hide and stop or shut up.
26:31Because the good news is that I want to start up my own record label with Bruce.
26:36And I would like that you consider being one of the first artists.
26:40And I would believe in you, and I would let you write your thoughts.
26:44Scott Bichetta just came forward and said, I'm starting a new label, and I want you to be my first artist.
26:52And who wouldn't want to hear that?
26:54Big Machine was the label that believed in her, that supported her, that gave her the ability to do what she wanted to do,
27:04which was to write her own songs and to sing and perform her own songs.
27:08And it was a big risk for Scott Bichetta to kind of say, this is the artist we're staking everything on.
27:13So Taylor, on behalf of Big Machine Records and our partners, Universal Music Group Worldwide,
27:20we are so proud to present to you this plaque that indicates you have sold more than 20 million records worldwide.
27:29And they had, by all accounts, a really productive and long and fruitful relationship
27:34up until the point where she left to go to the Republic,
27:38and Scott Bichetta ended up selling Big Machine to Scooter Braun.
27:43Taylor Swift says her new record deal gives Swift more control over her own music.
27:55As far as we know, Republic promised, as part of this new deal, she will own all her masters.
28:01And that was, as we'll see, a really important thing for Taylor.
28:05She wanted to have full control over the songs that she was writing and making,
28:08which she did not get to do with Big Machine.
28:11I knew he would sell my music. I knew he would do that.
28:14I couldn't believe who he sold it to.
28:17Because we've had endless conversations about Scooter Braun.
28:21And he has 300 million reasons to conveniently forget those conversations.
28:27Scooter Braun, he's the guy who discovered Justin Bieber.
28:31He's responsible for working with people like Ariana Grande.
28:35And crucially for this story, he is also the person who worked with Kanye West during the whole famous saga.
28:41The definition of the toxic male privilege in our industry is people saying, but he's always been nice to me.
28:51When I'm raising valid concerns about artists and their rights to own their music.
28:56And of course, he's nice to you. If you're in this room, you have something he needs.
29:01The fact is that private equity is what enabled this man to think, according to his own social media post, that he could buy me.
29:12But I'm obviously not going willingly.
29:16I'm watching that and I'm going, oh my goodness, she's handling this perfectly.
29:21It's important for Taylor to get the credit that she deserves, especially in a culture where, in many cases, female artists are not given the credit that they deserve for the work they put in.
29:37And if there is one thing that people in Nashville know, if you are on the wrong side of Taylor Swift, you are on the wrong side.
29:44She writes about it on Tumblr and she says that this is her worst case scenario.
29:52And she compares him taking control of her masters to him controlling a woman, which is quite a bold and audacious claim, right?
30:00She basically regards Scooter Braun as having had a real hand in the kind of harassment and bullying that she received at the hands of Kim Kardashian and Kanye West.
30:11Justin Bieber, who is on Scooter Braun's side, understandably says, why are you saying this?
30:16You know your fans are going to bully Scooter. And lo and behold, they do.
30:21No one stole her music. No one made her sign a bad record deal.
30:27Those were the types of record deals that everyone signed at that time.
30:30And Scooter Braun made a very good business decision. End of story.
30:36The decision that Taylor made to turn the fans loose on Scott and Scooter with only half of the conversation.
30:44I was a little disappointed. Death threats started happening. People started showing up at people's houses.
30:51And this is something that should have been discussed behind the scenes.
31:01When it gets to a place where there's death threats and there's offices being called and people being threatened in the manner that I just think it's got out of hand.
31:10And I think people need to come together and have a conversation because that's not what this is about. That's not what we got in this industry for.
31:15The Taylor Swift fan army, the Swifties, are really protective of her. And I think that comes from this relatability that she's cultivated with them.
31:24The sense that she's let them into her inner world and given them in many ways ammunition to go out and take people on that they perceive to have done her dirty.
31:34I think the important thing to know is that she didn't really call them out or tell them to back off.
31:38They're called fans for a reason. It's short for fanatics.
31:41Now, could you rerecord?
31:47Oh, yeah.
31:48Might you do that?
31:50Oh, yeah.
31:51That's a plan?
31:52Yeah, absolutely.
31:53In order to wrestle back control of the masters, she decides to rerecord all the albums that Scooter Braun now has the master recordings for.
32:01Her rerecording the albums is her way of saying, you know, artists need to own their work. Like this is their body of work. This is, these are their babies. These are the things that mean the most to them. And artists deserve to own that. And artists deserve to be compensated for their work. And artists deserve to, you know, be able to have control over their work, you know, and be able to, you know, use it in the way they see fit.
32:20I'm so sick of running as fast as I can.
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34:51I was like, oh my God.
34:54I was interested to see if she felt the same way that I did when I was her age.
34:59Like, what was she going through?
35:02I was finally maybe going to get to have some insight into that little girl that saved me, changed my life.
35:14I didn't usually post online about Taylor except like on her birthdays.
35:17I laid everything out on my bed, had a laptop propped up and my kitten crawling around.
35:26And I had in that pile my demo CD that I had just gotten out because I wanted to listen to it and panned over it in a very short video.
35:33And I posted it to Instagram.
35:36And I don't know if I just like tagged the right hashtag or what.
35:41But the post got swept up into the Instagram Swifty fandom.
35:48People are so interested in the story.
35:50Somebody had found one of my birthday posts for Taylor.
35:54And it's the picture from 2003.
35:56I'll post it every year just as a memoriam.
35:58With sure, happy birthday and all of that.
36:01And then so many people were interested.
36:04It was all kindness and love and support and it comforted me.
36:10It gave me the courage to tell a little bit of the story.
36:15The post was shared throughout the fandom.
36:18It effectively went viral.
36:20And generally, they were all wanting Taylor to meet me.
36:24So when I got a message on Tumblr, having been in the fandom, you know when that message comes through, it's usually paired with a Secret Sessions invitation.
36:36I was at work.
36:37My heart dropped.
36:38I started crying.
36:39I could not keep it together.
36:41You know, you get there and Taylor has made like a spread of food, cookies and pizza and whatever, whatever else.
36:54She just goes all out.
36:55And everybody knows we're going to get ushered into a living room where we sit down and we listen to the album that nobody's ever heard.
37:05And you could feel it.
37:07Like the excitement was just electric.
37:09And then becomes the time of meet and greet.
37:13Sort of walked into this other part of the house and like, there's Taylor.
37:18And she's smiling and she says my name and everything just dropped away.
37:27And she just wraps me up in the biggest hug.
37:31I didn't know I needed it.
37:33And she doesn't let go.
37:35She holds on until you are ready.
37:39When she talks to you, you're the only person in the room.
37:42And she wants to know everything.
37:44And we joked back and forth.
37:47And she said she liked my hair.
37:48And like it was just, it was like she was a friend.
37:51And she at one point thanked me, thanked me for being there like all those years.
37:58And I didn't really know I needed to hear that.
38:00I mean, I would have been fine never hearing that.
38:02But I, I don't know, it broke me in the best way that she appreciated it.
38:10And she said she liked me, thank you for being there.
38:40You know, it's a kind of way for her to thank people for sticking with her through every single phase of her life,
38:46through the controversies, through the scandals.
38:50And that was certainly borne out by the fact that people were absolutely dying to get tickets.
38:55Some Taylor Swift fans may have a Ticketmaster hangover this morning after trying for hours,
39:00and I mean hours, to buy tickets to her upcoming tour yesterday.
39:04And many came up empty handed.
39:06Fans are still talking about Taylor Swift's love split.
39:25Yeah, with Joe Alwyn, they were together for six years.
39:28It does seem to be that they have split.
39:31It's interesting, People Magazine are talking about East Source,
39:35said that Joe struggled with Taylor's level of fame and the attention from the public.
39:41There was a video of her that came out of her on the Heiress tour singing Lover, and she was crying.
39:48It's not a sad song, but it's sad because, I mean, we can only assume you're no longer with the person you wrote it about.
39:54Yeah.
39:55Like, we see you, we hear you, we love you, and we got you, we'll catch you.
40:13What does she say?
40:13She, um, easy they come, easy they go.
40:16I jump from the train, I ride off alone.
40:18I never grew up.
40:20It's getting so old.
40:21Help me hold on to you.
40:22So, I just, oh my God, I could cry.
40:25Just this fear that you're a person that cannot truly ever hold on to anyone.
40:31Because I'm sure when people look at Taylor Swift, they're like, what's Taylor Swift?
40:35Like, who, who could ever leave Taylor Swift?
40:38But at the same time, like, who could ever date Taylor Swift?
40:42Like, that's, that's, that's Taylor Swift.
40:44That's a lot, you know?
40:45And imagine being her.
40:48I think growing up as Taylor Swift must have been awful, because think about it this way.
40:55She's a teenage girl when she starts making music.
40:57She does go to school, but she doesn't really finish school in the kind of traditional sense,
41:02because she's being homeschooled.
41:04Even that kind of classic coming-of-age moment where you move to the big city and get a bunch of new friends,
41:09dating maybe the wrong kind of guy, you know, getting embroiled in messy love affairs,
41:13even that is up for debate on social media.
41:16I think it's enormously difficult to grow up with that kind of scrutiny on you.
41:23I think she really is a kind of bellwether for how we as a society view women,
41:28because she is in many ways the perfect kind of blank space, right?
41:33She's, you know, conventionally pretty, attractive, white, American.
41:37She is a standing for so many of the things that we are worried about,
41:40that we're concerned about as a society, because she is that kind of perfect Miss American girl.
41:45And, you know, when you become a symbol of a much greater whole, America itself,
41:51you are always going to have people who are going to project a lot of things onto you.
41:54I want you to know
42:00I'm a miracle
42:03I'll show you every vision
42:09You know, a mirrorball
42:14is the sparkly thing in the room
42:16that everyone looks at and goes, ooh, and ah, and ah, but like...
42:20It's broken.
42:21It's shattered.
42:22It's in pieces.
42:25And
42:25it still shines
42:28and it still reflects back
42:30what you want to see.
42:32And I think that's just the most beautiful way
42:34to describe
42:35the emotion of feeling like you need to put on a performance
42:40for people to like you.
42:42When you are only whatever people need you to be, that weighs really heavily on your soul
42:48and you kind of lose yourself in the process.
42:51And, you know, there's that old phrase where it's heavy as the head that wears the crown.
42:54And you kind of get a sense of that in mirrorball, where she's worn this crown for so long and it's worn down so heavily on her.
43:01And it's completely just kind of worn her out.
43:03So, you know, I've been writing songs and playing shows since I was about 12 years old.
43:08And so I kind of developed, as a human being, a coping mechanism of going through something or feeling extreme emotions,
43:19writing songs that include those emotions, and then playing them for you and going,
43:24Have you guys ever felt this way, too, or is it just me?
43:26Or is it just me?
43:27It's not just me.
43:32And then when you do that, or you sing along to the songs, it makes me feel like I'm not alone.
43:38So that is the whole process I go through.
43:41Often you'll find that great artists, there's an insecurity.
43:45I mean, this need to be loved.
43:47And the only moment they feel happy is when they get the applause from a crowd.
43:52I mean, I'm not going to be a psychiatrist here, but then that need to connect and feel warmth back from an audience.
43:59Plenty of artists will tell you that.
44:00It's that moment on stage and the energy they get from an audience.
44:05So to keep connected with the fans is also gives you security and gives you strength.
44:12Taylor has notoriously loyal fans.
44:15And I think the Ares tour, you know, underlined that with like a big, you know, fat red pen.
44:20They were there to support her as much as she was putting on a show for them.
44:24They were there to make her feel supported and feel validated.
44:28My God!
44:30If an alien came down and watched the Ares tour, they would think Taylor Swift's a cult leader and good for her.
44:44The connection with the fans was something I had hardly ever seen before.
44:49It was way beyond just being music and it did almost have an element of spirituality to it.
44:54Church gives you built in community.
44:56Taylor Swift's music and fandom gives you built in community.
45:00Absolutely.
45:01Take me to church, mama.
45:03Taylor is Jesus.
45:04Quote.
45:05Who is going to give you that guidance of how you should be living your life?
45:11And Taylor Swift was that for millions and millions of people.
45:16It became the trademark of the Ares tour that you would show up with a bunch of friendship bracelets to trade with people.
45:27You would make them with the song lyrics or with song names.
45:30And the friendship bracelets are an excuse to go up to someone that you've never met before and find that commonality and be like, hey, this is for you.
45:39She's saying that, you know, all of us are on our own individual path, but it doesn't have to be a lonely experience.
45:45You can find other people and, you know, enrich your life with these other people.
45:49You can look on the Ares tour as being the ultimate kind of rebuttal to all those people who said that famous the scandal would end her career and that she was irrelevant.
45:59There is no greater kind of clap back for a woman, I think, than commercial success, particularly in the music industry, which continues to be so dominated and controlled by men.
46:15You know, Taylor Swift is something America can agree on, particularly after she started dating one of the biggest football players in America.
46:22Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift are engaged and the world wants your reaction, sir.
46:27Well, I wish I'm a little, huh?
46:30Suddenly, the girl who was in the bleachers is very much the top cheerleader.
46:35It's undeniable that the, like, cross-marketing with the two of them is pretty unbelievable.
46:42I don't know how you top the Ares tour as far as being a billionaire.
46:46I don't know how you top that.
46:48I hope what comes next for Taylor is that she has found her person and that she gets to experience the things that most people get to experience and that some people just give the girl a break for once.
47:02Ultimately, she's created a safe place for millions of women around the world.
47:07True feminism doesn't always have to look like what you think it's going to look like.
47:12It can look like wearing a dress and boots, but also standing up to the men in the room.
47:20I think she says to young women that you matter, which I think is sadly still a message that still needs to be said today.
47:28So make the friendship race. Let's take the moment and taste it. You got no reason to be afraid. You're on your own, kid.
47:41As she's performing, she's smiling and she's laughing. She's saying, you're on your own, kid, but that's okay.
47:47You're on your own, kid. You can face this. You're on your own, kid.
47:57You're on your own, kid.
48:00You're on your own, kid.
48:02You're on your own, kid.
48:03You're on your own, kid.
48:06You're on your own, kid.
48:07And the first commitment ceremony earlier tonight and the experts weren't messing about.
48:11New Maps UK, stream it so far now, or watch as it continues tomorrow at 9 on E4.
48:17Film for tonight, the right song at the right time could change everything.
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