00:00how hopeful are you of uh the quad summit here in new delhi uh this revival of sco what does
00:08it really mean for quad um i think that the sco it's it certainly has expanded but it's not a
00:17collective security agreement it's not an alliance uh it's it's it's much weaker than the saudi
00:24pakistan agreement that just came about these are different countries with different motivations
00:31you know even the central asian countries you know i mean they they have a much stronger relations with
00:36china russia is very unhappy with that right that's part of the former soviet union so i i don't think
00:43the sco really is very present in the minds of american decision makers thinking about policy
00:53on the global level um i i also would say that the quad is becoming much itself more open to question
01:04um you know in part uh the united states has raised questions of whether they can go ahead with their
01:12commitments to the australians on submarines because they might need those submarines themselves
01:18there's a lot of pressure on japan which helped to make the japanese um uh government fall uh with
01:28the 550 billion dollar commitment of investments that will be directed by the president himself all of
01:34which has to be committed or else more tariffs by the end of trump's term so i would say the quad is
01:43itself becoming more transactional because that is the orientation of the most powerful country and in
01:50the past uh mr brema washington has actively encouraged new delhi to be a counterbalance to beijing in this
02:00region then how do you view uh recent thaw in india china ties and uh will the will you be seeing this
02:08with some kind of optimism or will you be cautious given the nature of how there has been multiple
02:15betrayals every time there has been a photo opportunity of some kind of relationship building
02:22i think a thaw between india and china is in the world's interest these are two countries most populous
02:29in the world almost 1.5 billion people each um they are major marketplaces they are major military
02:37forces in the region um we're much better off if they have stable relations they're not oriented
02:44towards fighting they can engage in trade and diplomacy with each other at a higher level with
02:50greater trust that would be good for the world now it is true that the united states has historically been
02:58concerned um about india uh and wanted india to be more of a counterweight against china um i don't see trump
03:07as focused as much on that today as he was in his first term as biden was when biden was president but
03:15i also don't think that there's much there there okay let's try and sum up this conversation mr brema with
03:23uh with something which has been perhaps on everybody's mind that donald trump's tariffs and
03:29isolation of its allies has led to visible geopolitical shifts there seems to be a global leadership vacuum
03:38which china is moving to exploit then in this scenario where does india fit in uh in what is visibly an
03:47evolving power dynamic well there is an emerging multi-polarity that will become stronger over time
03:56but we're not there yet the world today is what i call a g zero world it's an absence of global
04:02leadership the united states does not want to promote global collective security it doesn't want to lead
04:09free trade it doesn't want to promote foreign aid it doesn't want to promote democracy um and rule of law
04:16but no other country is prepared to take america's uh uh you know sort of space um and china is the
04:25most powerful but it's not capable of doing that um and it knows it so in that environment it's going
04:32to be less globalization less growth it's harder for everybody but some countries are better positioned than
04:40others india is better positioned than others because india is not only a leader of the global south
04:47but it also is an effective bridge with the west very strong relations with japan um pretty strong
04:54relations with australia um and very stable relations functional relations with europe i mean really canada
05:02was the only big problem in the west and that's been resolved somewhat with new prime minister mark
05:08carney um and so that leaves the big questions of china and the united states and it turns out that both of
05:14them are a little problematic um but i'd rather be in india's position than that that of many so-called
05:22middle powers around the world certainly geopolitically india is in better position right now than the
05:28european union for example
05:37you
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