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The Big Weekend Show 9/13/25 FULL END SHOW | ᗷᖇEᗩKIᑎG ᑎEᗯS Tᖇᑌᗰᑭ September 13, 2025
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00:00Hello, everyone. I'm Anita Vogel, along with David Webb, Alicia Acuna, and Dr. Mark Siegel.
00:08And welcome to The Big Weekend Show. The big story tonight is a Fox News alert.
00:14We are learning new details about the relationship between 22-year-old suspected assassin Tyler
00:20Robinson and his roommate. Authorities believe Robinson acted alone. But senior-level FBI
00:26officials are now telling Fox News that Robinson was in a romantic relationship and living with his
00:33transgender lover in Utah, which could explain why Charlie Kirk was shot after being asked how many
00:40transgender mass shooters there have been in the last decade. The last 10 years? Too many.
00:47You know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?
01:02Counting or not counting gang violence.
01:04Utah is expected to file state charges against the suspected killer by this Tuesday,
01:10while President Trump is pushing for federal charges.
01:13We would anticipate then that early next week, those charging documents will be filed. We will
01:20obviously be working, the county attorney will be working very closely with Mr. Kirk's family as
01:26those documents and decisions are prepared and made.
01:30I hope he was going to be found guilty, I would imagine, and I hope he gets the death penalty.
01:36We have full team coverage outside the jailhouse where the suspect is being held. Paul Morrow is
01:44standing by with exclusive reporting and analysis. But first, we go to Matt Finn for the very latest in
01:51the investigation. Hi, Matt. What can you tell us?
01:56Hi, Anita. The alleged assassin was booked into the Utah County Jail behind me. Our understanding is that he is
02:01still here. The actual crime scene, not far from where I'm standing, but the suspect was taken into
02:07custody a couple hundred miles south in the St. George area. He was arrested on suspicion of
02:12capital murder. The formal charges are expected to be announced on Tuesday when Robinson is scheduled to
02:17make his first appearance. Now, yesterday, we watched a gray Dodge Challenger being towed away from
02:23the family home of the alleged killer in the St. George, Utah area. Authorities say Robinson drove a
02:29gray Challenger on and off the property of Utah Valley University when he assassinated Charlie
02:35Kirk. Now, prior to the car getting towed, we saw Utah police tape the hood of the car appearing to seal
02:40it. Also at the family home, a heavy law enforcement presence yesterday. We saw FBI agents on the
02:45property, and at one point, we were urged to immediately get back. A law enforcement telling us there was some
02:50type of threat that was eventually cleared. Now, last night, Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica, gave a powerful
02:56speech in which he said the evildoers who did this do not realize what they've unleashed. I spoke to an
03:01eyewitness on campus who says the assassination is actually going to expand Charlie Kirk's reach.
03:09I think that is the turning point, right? Everybody's going to hear his voice more than ever. I have so
03:14many people saying, did you know him? Like, did you like, what was his thoughts? What was his, you know,
03:19what was his kind of principles that he was trying to like basically leave behind? So it's really
03:25impressive to me to see like all these people that really didn't know him before really want to know
03:29him now. Also a short while ago, Turning Point USA announcing, join us in celebrating the remarkable
03:36life and enduring legacy of Charlie Kirk and an American legend. Sunday, September 21st at State
03:42Farm Stadium, home of the Arizona Cardinals. So this is a stadium that hosts the Super Bowl and now is
03:48hosting a memorial for Charlie Kirk. So that really speaks to the impact and legacy he's leaving behind.
03:54Yeah, it sure does, Matt. Thank you so much for that live report. Appreciate it.
03:59Let's go ahead now and bring in attorney and former NYPD inspector Paul Morrow. Paul,
04:05it's so good to have you with us tonight. There's so many things to get to, but I want to ask you right
04:10off the bat about the breaking news, the new information about this romantic relationship that
04:16the suspect was in with his roommate and the fact that Charlie Kirk was shot right after he was asked
04:23that question about transgender killings. What can you make of this? It seems like it's
04:30too far beyond to be a coincidence.
04:35Well, it does. And in fact, let's remember that you don't need motive as an element for approving
04:42any crime. And certainly in this case, we're not going to use that. But that said, it's not necessary,
04:48but it is helpful. And it's one of those things that can help you explain some of what went on at
04:55the incident, especially in light of the fact pattern that we have here. First of all, as you say,
05:00as soon as that question was asked, that's when we get the shots. We also have the engravings on the
05:05shells. And that goes to somewhat of the same issue, potentially to explain some of that sort of cryptic
05:12engraving that we saw. And then, of course, there's the fact that this is one of the issues that Charlie
05:19Kirk was well known to be engaged on. So while that's not going to be part of the actual prosecution
05:25in the sense that it's in the charging document or anything like that, it does add a patina overall
05:31in the case to help explain the evidence. And of course, it could come in as part of sentencing.
05:37Paul, it's Alicia Cunha here. Thank you so much for answering all of our questions. So Utah does not
05:42allow for a traditional insanity defense in murder cases and a lot of other cases. And we may be
05:47getting a little ahead of ourselves here, but I'm just really curious about this because they do,
05:52the state does allow for mens rea, a mens rea model, which focuses on the mental state
05:57of the suspect and whatever intent they had at the time the murder occurred and also can be used
06:03in assistance to the defense if they're trying to argue for a lesser murder count or charge.
06:10What can you tell us about that? And what do you think about that idea at the possibility of it
06:14coming up? So that's one of those things that has come up before in the public guy. Remember
06:20the Koberger case, and they were trying for a similar tactic relative to him ostensibly having
06:25autism. So they couldn't access the safe harbor of an insanity defense. But what they were trying to
06:31do is to mitigate the likelihood in that case of a death penalty sentence. And so they were trying to
06:37get that in. Ultimately, they were not able to. Yeah, we may be out ahead of ourselves here. We
06:42have to see, first of all, not only the rest of the evidence, but the trial has to take place. But
06:47let's remember something else. When Koberger was arrested, it was considered sort of inconceivable
06:52that there would ever be a plea deal. I remember being on the air relative to that and suggesting it
06:56and being looked at with looks of people who were incredulous. But, you know, downrange,
07:03we don't know what's going to happen. Trials can be a funny thing. And sometimes a plea deal taking
07:08life is actually a preferable outcome for a prosecutor. So none of that may actually end
07:14up being relevant. But I could see it playing out the way the Koberger case went. There's going to be
07:20a lot of motion practice. They're going to try to get that in, as you say, as a mitigating factor.
07:25I have to tell you, though, I think that's an outlier. If the case holds up, I don't see it going that way.
07:29Paul, Dr. Siegel here. I want to get you even farther ahead of your skis
07:33with your attorney hat on now. President Trump mentioned the death penalty the other day.
07:38I'm only bringing that up, not regarding this case, because as you say, it hasn't been tried yet.
07:42But as you know, it was returned by the Supreme Court in 1976, state of Utah, first state that opted
07:49in on that, you know, for lethal injection as their first choice. What would be involved with
07:56deciding that this was a death penalty case? Well, I mean, the prosecution has to decide
08:03whether or not that's what they're going to go for, and that's going to occur in this sentencing
08:06phase. My understanding is, if I recall, Utah actually has firing squad, which does Idaho.
08:12It has both. Correct. It has that too. Right. Right. So, you know, this could be quite an
08:20interesting path forward here. Look, the thing about a death penalty case that I think is most
08:25pertinent to this discussion is that when you have a case where the prosecution says from the outset,
08:31and that's how it goes, that we're going to go for the death penalty on this, everything becomes more
08:36complicated. The judge is going to give all kinds of deference to the defense. There's going to be
08:41all kinds of appeals. The judge is going to really want to make sure that he's not overturned,
08:48and we don't even have a judge yet for a trial. It's not going to be overturned. We saw it in
08:52Koberger. People wondered, why is this taking so long? Because they thought it was a death penalty
08:56case. So I think that right now, you know, we have to be careful about saying it's definitely a death
09:02penalty case, because really, the death penalties can be a complicating factor, no matter how much we
09:08feel it's justified in a case like this. Paul, David Webb here. Lead in concurrence in the
09:15prosecution of this. You've got the state filing on Tuesday. Federal government can come in after
09:21that. And by the way, that goes a little bit to the death penalty to discussion. The trick for the
09:26federal government or the challenge is to have that interstate component of it to get to a death
09:31penalty at the federal level. But if the state leads in this case, because from what we know now,
09:38it doesn't seem like there's much of a bargaining position against using the death penalty in the
09:43state case, do you think they would run lead or concurrently?
09:49I actually think it's going to go with the state as taking lead. There's a couple of reasons why
09:55that may be preferable. First of all, state prosecutors are much more experienced in murder
09:59cases. Murder cases at the federal level are actually outliers. As you say, you're going to have
10:04to find a federal hook for that. There may be some internet stuff here that they can sort of
10:09backdoor their way in to get to jurisdiction. It can be a reach. And once again, that'll be a
10:13complicating factor. If you have a very solid state case here for murder, and it certainly is beginning
10:19to look that way as the thing develops, it may even get stronger. Then, you know, it argues that you
10:25hold the federal case in abeyance. Hold that back. Do some of the processing that you need to do. It's
10:31all going to be the same evidence. But hold that back in case something goes sideways with the state
10:36case, unless there's a really compelling reason, in my opinion, for this to go federal. I think that
10:42we have to remember that it's not necessarily always better to be federal. We tend to think of
10:46it as having a, being a bigger hammer, so to speak. It actually can be more complicated at the
10:52federal levels because of all of this jurisdictional stuff that you're talking about. So I think if I have
10:57to say, say what's going to happen here going forward, I see a state case with the feds taking
11:02the back seat. They go for murder, and it's going to be a death penalty case at the state level.
11:07Wow. Okay, Paul Morrow, thank you so much for joining us. And again, the suspect will make his
11:12first court appearance on Tuesday. We'll all be watching for that. So we are starting now to learn
11:18how Charlie Kirk's assassin was radicalized as investigators find engravings on his rifle and
11:24ammunition. Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle.
11:31A fired casing read, notices bulges, capital O-W-O, what's this question mark? And the three
11:40unfired casings read, hey fascist exclamation point, catch exclamation point. Up arrow symbol,
11:48right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing read,
11:55oh Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow, Chow, Chow. And a third unfired casing read,
12:02if you read this, you are gay, L-M-A-O. Some of the markings appear to reveal the
12:08shooter's fixation on fascism as Democrats say stuff like this.
12:13Let me ask you tonight, do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
12:18Yes, I do.
12:18Try to prevent the spread of the lawlessness and the fascist chaos
12:22that's been unleashed against us.
12:24So when we say Donald Trump is a fascist, fascism, a huge component of fascism,
12:30is uniting racism, bigotry, a form of racist nationalism.
12:37No one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump, and he is a fascist
12:43to his core.
12:47Okay, so the Democrats, Democratic leaders have been saying these things for quite some time.
12:52We've now had two assassination attempts on President Trump. There have been riots in
12:58cities where there are ice raids, attacks on ice officers. David, I want to get your reaction to
13:05this.
13:05Well, if you create and you demonize, right, if you dehumanize people and you present them as an
13:13ist or an ism, and they don't even get it right, nor do they care. They use Nazi and fascist
13:18interchangeably. This is how they create, not just the U.S., but by the way, tracking this worldwide as
13:25I do, this is a worldwide. The use of Bella Chao is worldwide. So this is what the leftists have
13:31been doing to drive anyone into the oppressor column. And that means that people out there who may have
13:39some form of psychological issue, possibly, you know, don't have the strength to resist it in some
13:45form, or are confused, will take it further. They can rationalize within themselves. And when you look
13:51at, and I know we're going to get into the gender dysphoria of his partner and more, but that's on
13:57the DSM-5 for a reason. It is a psychological disorder. And we have kids out there who are being
14:04pushed, who are weak-minded. And we don't know the case here with him. He could also be just deliberate
14:09and evil. But we're seeing this with the rise of crimes committed with trans mass shooters,
14:16the types of attacks on people. So it's not a new thing. But we have to be very careful,
14:21not just here in America, but around the world, because I track this. And you find the things
14:25that he's writing, they're doing, whether you go to marxist.com or any of these other international
14:31communist organizations. David's point about susceptibility is so right on. And then you add
14:38that to that social media. You have 81% suicidal ideation among transgender individuals. That's a
14:45fact. We can't get the homicidal ideation figure. But I'll tell you that talking about the DSM-5, we
14:52know in psychiatry that if you have suicidal ideation and if you're severely depressed and you're anxious
14:58and you have a low self-esteem, you can be easily victimized and it can turn to homicidal ideation.
15:03Mark Levin and I were saying that yesterday, that if you have two people talking and they're all
15:08both saying the same thing, there's no debate. There's no open-mindedness. You can easily get
15:13radicalized if you're in this state. Yeah. Wow. Paul Morrow, you're still with us. I want to ask you,
15:19is there any law enforcement angle to any of this radicalization that is out there online? I mean,
15:26I know, you know, we have free speech and you can't police the internet, but can law enforcement
15:32do anything? And beyond that, about some of the rhetoric and the language coming from some of
15:38the democratic leaders in our country too? You know, I hate to say it, but I don't have a great
15:45answer for this because I dealt with this frontline when I was working terrorism cases. And as you can
15:50imagine, the paradigm that we're discussing was very prevalent in the terrorism world. We used to call it
15:55the loser the lion sort of phenomenon in the terrorism world because ISIS particularly became
16:02very adept at finding people who were leading, slipping down lives for whatever reason and
16:07catfishing them into the idea that they could be a lion for Islam if they went out and killed people.
16:12So we had every mechanism you could imagine that was legal to try to interdict this. But as time went
16:19on and encryption came in and the tradecraft became better on by our adversaries, it became more and
16:26more difficult. And so I say I have an unsatisfactory answer because I have to go to what might be the
16:32most obvious thing, which at the end of the day, we always came back to the fact that it was the people
16:37around the subject who really were always in the best position to try to stop this. It was always family,
16:43friends, things like that. Because in retrospect, they always say things like, I saw it going that
16:49way, but I never thought it would be like this. Right. And so at the end of the day, that's really
16:53what you want to rely on educating people and hoping they step in. Yeah, you hope so. I, I,
16:58Alicia, I want to get you in here. Quick thought, wrap us up. I've heard people say this, this is
17:03different. This is sort of a watershed moment in our country. Do you think anything will change now?
17:08I don't know. And I would like to just say that I have hope that something will change. I will be
17:13curious as we watch this investigation to find out where, at what point did this suspect start to
17:20change? Like to Paul's point, when he saw, he, like people around them usually see something.
17:25When did that opening occur? When an extremist view became marching orders in their mind. So we'll just
17:30have to watch. Yeah. We have a lot to find out still. Thank you, Paul, for joining us also. Paul's
17:35going to stick around tonight as we continue our coverage on the assassination of Charlie Kirk and
17:41coming up on a jam packed big weekend show, former FBI special agent, Nicole Parker also joins us
17:48for continued coverage on Charlie Kirk's assassination. But first, Office Depot is facing major backlash for
17:55refusing to print what staff called propaganda, a propaganda poster of Charlie Kirk.
18:05As memorials honoring Charlie Kirk pop up all around the country, Office Depot is facing backlash
18:12after an employee in Michigan refused to print a poster for one of these prayer vigils.
18:18We came in for an order earlier for to print a poster for a vigil tonight for somebody that passed.
18:28It's not propaganda. It's propaganda. I'm sorry. We don't put that here.
18:32All right. So what's your name?
18:35I'm one of the managers.
18:37Yes. So they say they don't print political propaganda. So this is somebody that passed
18:45away a couple of years ago. That's political propaganda, unfortunately.
18:48So this is for a prayer tonight, for a prayer vigil?
18:51Office Depot responded to the video saying the employee's behavior was, quote,
18:55unacceptable and insensitive and apologized to the customer. The company also announced the
19:01associate has been fired. And Paul Murrow is still with us. And Paul, we're going to ask you
19:05questions as well. I'm going to bring it out to the table first here. After I show everyone what
19:11this poster was, you have to see this. It is just this beautiful poster, the legendary Charlie Kirk.
19:19There it is. That's it. That's the propaganda that this person at the Office Depot said. Okay.
19:25Now, Anita, I got to ask you because I'm the obvious question is what about this is propaganda?
19:32And also, what if this was a poster honoring former President Jimmy Carter?
19:40Yeah, it's astonishing that an employee would just take it upon themselves to create their own
19:46policy at a company they work for and not do what the customer is asking them to do. If you don't
19:53want to do your job, you should quit and go work somewhere else. But I think this is wrong. And I think
20:00that the company had every right to fire the person. Yeah. And Dr. Siegel, this is a company.
20:05They have to listen to the customer. And also, even if they were going to deny them a service for
20:11whatever reason, the disrespect that this employee showed to that customer was striking.
20:16You know, Alicia, we're going to get more on the issue of vitriol and anger and projected anger
20:22towards a person that was murdered later. But I want to make two points. One, Charlie was a person
20:28of great faith. This week in the Old Testament Torah readings, it's about showing gratitude to God.
20:34And if you don't show that gratitude for being alive, if you don't show it, you may face certain
20:40bad outcomes. And as a physician, I want to say that we honor the dead. Physicians honor the dead.
20:47We always do that. We never say after someone's passed away, who were they? What did they do?
20:52We're against them. That goes against my entire training as a physician.
20:56You know, Paul, bringing you back here into the conversation,
21:00I'm just curious, what else? And we don't have a list. We haven't seen
21:04if Office Depot does have a policy of turning people away, if they're trying to print out
21:09certain types of posters, what they could possibly be. What are your thoughts on this?
21:14Well, it's outrageous. I mean, this one doesn't really need a whole lot of breaking down or
21:18analysis. I mean, look, to their credit, they fired this person. But I think there are two points.
21:24First of all, I think it goes to the fact that the progressive left just really can't read the room
21:31because that is not propaganda. It was a prayer service. And I think it just really goes to show
21:37what a bubble they live in, what a silo, because what a time to take that position. And I would enlarge
21:44the issue, just to advance the story a little bit, to some of the other people in public life
21:48and on the Internet, people in schools and other places of influence who have had a similar reaction.
21:54This is not the time for that, even if you really disagreed with Charlie. And you know what?
21:59What it really does is validates Charlie's viewpoints. It validates what he was trying to do.
22:05It validates his work.
22:07David, I mean, this goes beyond just disagreeing. This was an accusation of someone who's trying to
22:12come in and honor the life of someone.
22:14Well, we do have to make some distinctions between left and right in that sense,
22:19and not necessarily Democrat and Republican. The very same left that tries to force someone
22:26to bake a cake against their religious beliefs, their deeply held religious beliefs, refuses to
22:33print a poster. In Oberlin, Ohio, wherever you go, all of these cases over the years that have come up,
22:40they shopped, they look, they attacked, and then they deny. But I'm willing to bet that a predominant
22:47amount of right-brained people, conservative, whatever you want to call them in this country,
22:51you go to their business and say, I want this poster printed to honor somebody, they're going to print it
22:58without drawing a decision of we're not doing this. That's a key difference in our society, and it goes to
23:03what I said before about creating this istinism and oppressor and oppressed narrative out there
23:09about everyone. People like this should not represent your business. Caregivers, doctors, nurses, I would
23:17be especially careful if they are that limited and narrow in their view that they would do that to
23:24someone. How would they treat someone they don't like? Remember when Ronald Reagan was shot, and he went to the
23:30hospital, and there was that moment where the doctor said to him, we're all Republicans now?
23:36That's a difference. And by the way, I've got to add, and I'm not going to name names, there are nurses
23:40and physicians that are doing exactly this horrible thing on social media, and some of them are getting
23:45fired for it, but it is reprehensible and goes against our oath. And so many people see it, it's so
23:50disturbing. And at the very least, it was so insulting to the customer. It was so insulting and so
23:55unnecessary. Still ahead, Democrats are escalating their hateful rhetoric, blaming President Trump
24:01and conservatives for the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Plus, Kirk traveled to colleges around the
24:07country to debate students of all viewpoints, and educators are celebrating his death. Are they
24:13creating the next assassin? The tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk was not an isolated incident.
24:23Unhinged leftists have been targeting Turning Point USA events for years.
24:28There has been more than 10 instances of violence or disturbances at Turning Point events over the
24:51last two years, including multiple assaults, vandalism, and get this, protesters even threw
24:57feces on students and speakers. But Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica, promised last night that
25:04Turning Point USA will not let these threats stop them.
25:07The movement my husband built will not die. It won't. If you're in high school or if you're
25:14in college, go find your local Turning Point USA chapter. Join it. Stay involved.
25:21He wants you to make a difference. And you can. You can.
25:30Let me just first say that was an unbelievably poised speech from a woman who just lost her
25:36husband 48 hours before. It was pretty incredible. Paul Morrow is still with us live from Utah. And I
25:43know Dr. Siegel has a question he wants to ask you.
25:45Paul, all of this issue regarding what causes the violence, you saw AOC come right out after
25:51the murder talking about gun control and no comment made on the left after the Charlotte
25:56killing because it's a knife and no comment made if the conservatives are attacked. How
26:01do you weed through this? What is your perspective on this?
26:03Well, I think that there is undeniably a more volatile and energized element on the left in
26:15social media. There's an ecosystem that really seems to bubble like a cauldron beneath the surface.
26:23There are all kinds of platforms, a lot of them encrypted, that seem to encourage this kind
26:27of stuff. You know, and at the end of the day, taking a bit of a philosophical view on this,
26:33stock, I devolve at bottom to the following. The right thinks the left is wrong. The left
26:39has convinced itself that the right is evil. And once you've internalized that paradigm,
26:44it excuses almost anything.
26:46You know, I want to bring this back out to the panel here. And Alicia, I want to ask you,
26:51because you've got two kids in college right now, or, you know, one child in college and one who's
26:55going to go back to college. How do you talk to them about the violence and the mayhem that goes
27:03on on college campuses?
27:04We do talk about it. I do encourage them to, if they're going to have their debates,
27:09to do it amongst friends, to not get out there, not get in the middle of it. If they see something
27:14happening, to please go the other way, because things can go terribly wrong. We do talk about
27:19that. But I do think it's important for them to show their point of view. It's just, it's scary.
27:23I do want to bring up a headline that I saw in The Guardian today when I was researching this.
27:28And part of it was, quote, how Charlie Kirk turned campuses into cultural battlefields.
27:34And then I started to think about October 7th and what happened on the college campuses here
27:41and the battlefield that became our college campuses and the administration at the time,
27:46the Biden administration's failure to try to calm things down and just let it flourish.
27:52Charlie Kirk was going to these college campuses to tell students, look,
27:56you are being led down only one road, as if that is the only road that exists. There are other ideas.
28:03You need to challenge yourself. I will challenge you. You challenge me. He was there to open it up.
28:08And he's being blamed for turning it into a cultural battleground. Battlefield here,
28:12to me, is just kind of mind-blowing.
28:14Yeah, that is a really good point you bring up. I want to change topics here. Charlie Kirk,
28:20he was always up for a debate, as we have been reporting, but he wasn't just pushing a message
28:25on college campuses. He was creating a dialogue as he respectfully talked with anyone, anytime, anywhere.
28:34Your personality is unique to you. Your gender is a category that you fall into.
28:37I thought that gender is fluid.
28:38Why are the IDF soldiers fighting Christian people during Easter?
28:42They're not allowing them to go into church.
28:44Actually, that's not true. So let's talk about that. That's a lie.
28:46Why don't you believe that white privilege exists? Is there anything that you can't do that I can
28:51do? No. We could do the same things if we put our minds to it. Good. Then there's no white
28:55privilege. You know how we heal our divides? By talking to people we disagree with.
29:00Yeah, Kirk was never afraid to speak up, even when other students were in classrooms.
29:04That's why it's so disturbing to see teachers and educators celebrating his death. David,
29:11let me go to you on this. You know, this is the whole reason, to Alicia's point,
29:14why Charlie created Turning Point USA, right? To help students employ critical thinking,
29:22to invite them to think about another way of looking at things, and to also push back against
29:27the barrage of progressivism that they are taught by their professors.
29:32I want to take this a little bit broader, even, to why Charlie was targeted. It was because he was
29:39effective. He engaged. He was being effective in going out there and engaging with people.
29:44But there's a parallel and a track record here on the right that we should pay attention to.
29:49Go back to Andrew Breitbart. And when Andrew and I and others were working together and built out
29:55Breitbart, and now we have a news and a show and whatever, it lasted beyond Andrew's tragic early
30:01death. Charlie built Turning Point USA, which will survive his assassination and go forward.
30:08This is the threat to the left. They can't have effective organizations and movements that survive,
30:16whether it's a tragic death, an assassination, or some other form of change. And that's what they
30:22need to crush in this country. We need to see them for what they are. They are the ones burning cities
30:28in looting, conservatives, Republicans, independents. They weren't. Find me the city in America and the
30:35building that was damaged since Charlie was assassinated by someone on the right. There's none.
30:42But the fact is they fear anyone who is effective in presenting their message, whether you're in
30:48agreement with Charlie or not, the fact is he would engage you. Yeah. You know, listening to David,
30:55I'm so disturbed to think of how times have changed. When Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth was at
31:00Princeton, he spearheaded the conservative movement and nobody was attacking him this way. When I was at
31:06Brown, there was very few conservatives there, but they were listened to. There was civil discord.
31:11There was under... You wanted to hear what someone said that disagreed with you. That's what
31:15a whole idea of a university is. Yeah. I was going to say, that's what college is all about
31:21and how times have changed. All right. Moving on now. Coming up, the far-left media is slamming ice
31:27and protecting criminal illegal aliens, leaving out key details about another attack on an agent.
31:34Plus, Trump ready to send the National Guard to Memphis. But some lawmakers in the state say it's racist.
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