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Jesse Watters Primetime 09/11/25 FULL END SHOW | ᖴO᙭ ᗷᖇEᗩKIᑎG ᑎEᗯS September 11, 2025
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Jesse Watters Primetime 09/11/25 FULL END SHOW | ᖴO᙭ ᗷᖇEᗩKIᑎG ᑎEᗯS September 11, 2025
Jesse Watters Primetime 09/11/25 FULL END SHOW | ᖴO᙭ ᗷᖇEᗩKIᑎG ᑎEᗯS September 11, 2025
Jesse Watters Primetime 09/11/25 FULL END SHOW | ᖴO᙭ ᗷᖇEᗩKIᑎG ᑎEᗯS September 11, 2025
Jesse Watters Primetime 09/11/25 FULL END SHOW | ᖴO᙭ ᗷᖇEᗩKIᑎG ᑎEᗯS September 11, 2025
Jesse Watters Primetime 09/11/25 FULL END SHOW | ᖴO᙭ ᗷᖇEᗩKIᑎG ᑎEᗯS September 11, 2025
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00:00Welcome to Jesse Waters Primetime. I'm Kayleigh McEnany. We start with a Fox News alert.
00:08Charlie Kirk's coffin is now on its way to his home of Phoenix, Arizona. Vice President J.D.
00:14Vance was one of the men carrying his coffin onto Air Force Two. This was just moments ago. Watch this.
00:30The Vice President of the United States, one heartbeat away from the presidency, carrying the coffin of a man who changed the world, Charlie Kirk.
00:47Well, tonight we'll bring you the news. The manhunt underway for Charlie Kirk's assassin, the FBI releasing two photos of a person of interest.
00:55You're looking at him there. He's a man. He's wearing a baseball cap with sunglasses and a black long-sleeved T-shirt with a picture of an American flag.
01:04Now, the photo you're looking at was captured in the stairwell of the building where the shot was fired.
01:09A newly discovered dispatch call also confirms that the shooter was wearing all black.
01:15UVU in Orem has had an active shooter at the Charlie Kirk event. We're getting several calls. We're trying to get more information.
01:22Gunshots heard near the library at UVU. We're wearing jeans, black shirt, black vests.
01:28Now, the FBI is offering a reward of $100,000 to anyone who can find him.
01:33And sources tell CBS that investigators already have a name of the person.
01:38We haven't confirmed that here at Fox News just yet.
01:41Now, they haven't issued arrest warrants yet, but they are working around the clock to locate the assassin.
01:47And as of now, police have the shooter's gun. They found it in a wooded area near the scene of the crime.
01:53It was a high-powered bolt-action rifle. It was believed to be a .30-06 caliber.
01:58The killer's weapon was found wrapped in a towel with three unused cartridges inside of it.
02:04Law enforcement say that the shooter left messages on them.
02:07And there's been some conflicting reports about exactly what that message was.
02:11The gun and the casings were flown to Quantico, where investigators are currently looking for fingerprints and DNA to help track down the killer.
02:21Police also got a look inside of the sniper's nest. It is riddled with evidence.
02:25The killer's footwear, his palm, his forearm, his prints, they are found all over the roof of the building where the shot was taken.
02:33And police say they believe the shooter had arrived on the campus at roughly 11.52 a.m. yesterday morning, less than half an hour before he took that shot that killed Charlie Kirk.
02:44Officials also believe that the assassin fled by jumping off the roof, the opposite side of where he pulled the trigger.
02:51Former FBI officials warned that he could have been miles away within minutes.
02:55If you come off that roof, and I've seen the drone footage of this, there's an open-air parking lot behind that building.
03:03So this is a big concern because this person, within three to five minutes of that shot going off, could have been in a vehicle on his way out and miles and miles away.
03:14Provo Airport's only about 45 minutes from there.
03:19Investigators are working through nearby neighborhoods.
03:21They're knocking on doors.
03:23They're reviewing doorbell cameras, hoping to find a lead.
03:27The shooter could be anywhere at this point.
03:29It's been more than 24 hours.
03:31And officials say they've been able to track the assassin's movements, but he is still at large.
03:37The president, moments ago, was asked if he believes a trained assassin killed Charlie Kirk.
03:43Do you believe that killer was a trained assassin?
03:45Usually your instincts are always on.
03:48I'd rather not say.
03:50I think progress is being made.
03:51He's an animal, total animal.
03:54And hopefully they'll have him and they'll get him.
03:57What he did is disgraceful.
03:59Charlie Kirk was a great person, a great man, great in every way, especially with youth.
04:05And what he did, what this man did was disgraceful.
04:09So hopefully we'll have him and we will deal with him very appropriately.
04:13Law enforcement sources believe the shooter was not an amateur shooter.
04:17You're looking for someone who has detachment and a lack of empathy, who likes to be in control.
04:27The offender characteristics of the assassin sniper are something that's been studied very closely, especially by the Secret Service.
04:38And it's someone who's methodical, impatient, self-reliant as someone who has a long history in shooting.
04:44This wasn't an amateur.
04:46Other sources say the shooter may have been a good shot, but his escape plan was sloppy.
04:51If this individual was actually truly trying to just kill Charlie Kirk, this is not the way to do it because this is in a public venue, leaving a lot of footprints on the ground, leaving a weapon in the woods, not having a clear escape plan, which people thought he did.
05:08And so that's not a professional level, like at the higher levels that you're kind of thinking, like in the movies.
05:13This is a skilled shot, but an unskilled individual at being an assassin.
05:17From the rifle drop to the prints in the sniper nest to the writings on the casings, there is evidence and law enforcement agencies are all working together to find this individual.
05:28Utah officials, meanwhile, were scheduled for a press conference earlier today.
05:32It was canceled due to what they told us were rapid developments.
05:36FBI Director Cash Patel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino both flew to Utah, and we are still awaiting updates.
05:43When we get them, we will bring them to you.
05:46Because whoever killed Charlie Kirk is at large tonight, and justice must be served.
05:52President Trump says that we may have, whoever may have killed Charlie, failed in what their ultimate mission was.
05:59Charlie was the best of America, and the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country.
06:07An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed because together we will ensure that his voice, his message, and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come.
06:20Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie's voice has become bigger and grander than ever before.
06:28Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard is here.
06:32Tulsi, we haven't heard from many administration officials on camera other than the President of the United States,
06:37and I'm hoping you can characterize for us how you're feeling at this moment, the mood in the administration.
06:43We just saw the Vice President of the United States carrying the coffin of a hero.
06:49Yeah, Kaylee, I, like other members of the President's team and cabinet, was in the White House when Charlie was shot.
06:58And when I got the news, we weren't certain about what his condition was at that time, but obviously very, very concerned and shocked.
07:11Shocked is the feeling that I think was there.
07:14And then as things developed, unfortunately, very quickly, you know, Charlie was a friend to so many of us, a dear friend.
07:21Someone who inspired countless numbers of people because he truly lived what he preached.
07:30I had the privilege of being able to go with him to some of these college campus visits,
07:35and it was just amazing to see how he really encouraged people who disagreed with him to come forward.
07:41When you'd have people who stood in line and they would come and say,
07:44Hey, Charlie, thank you for, you know, the great work that you're doing.
07:47He would thank them for the kind words and then ask, Is there anyone in the crowd who disagrees with me?
07:53Please come forward and ask your question.
07:56Cut to the front of the line.
07:57His expression of kindness and respect to those that he was engaging with,
08:03even those who walked away still disagreeing with him,
08:06really is the inspiration that I hope we can all find in our grief at the loss of one of our country's most brave
08:15and courageous champions of freedom, champions for our Constitution, our God-given rights.
08:22Tulsi, I know every agency is using everything in their power, the FBI, the DOJ.
08:26Everyone is trying to find this killer at this moment.
08:30We have heard about the messages on the bullets.
08:32Are you able to share with us any information about what those messages contained?
08:37Not at this time, Kaylee.
08:39The FBI is working on this.
08:40As you said, they're conducting their forensics.
08:43I would like just to say on this point, though, about the shooter,
08:48especially given today is the anniversary of the Islamist terrorist attack on 9-11.
08:54There's a common characteristic between Charlie Kirk's assassin and the Islamist terrorist, Al-Qaeda,
09:01who attacked us on 9-11 in that they both sought to silence those who they did not agree with.
09:10They both recognized that their ideologies, their views would not stand up to being challenged.
09:17And yesterday, sadly, what we saw in this shooter was using violence in order to take away Charlie Kirk's voice
09:24and take away his ability to continue to inspire in such an incredibly positive way others to exercise our God-given rights to free speech.
09:36These people are fanatics in Al-Qaeda.
09:38These Islamist terrorists, they are so-called religious fanatics.
09:41Yesterday, Charlie's assassin is a political fanatics.
09:44But these fanatics have to be stood up to.
09:47We cannot allow them to intimidate people into being fearful and therefore silent.
09:53Without a doubt.
09:53And I'm sorry to cut in on you, but I do want our viewers to see right there.
09:57That is a live image that you are looking at as Charlie Kirk's casket is being unloaded from Air Force Two.
10:03There appears to be a motorcade, and we will watch this live.
10:08The crowd is gathering.
10:09These are his supporters.
10:11And, Tulsi, this is something we've seen across the nation on college campuses.
10:15The people who have shown up, the text messages I have gotten from people who are not conservative,
10:19who said, I discovered that my kids love Charlie Kirk.
10:23People who have turned out nationwide and hear this crowd gathering to honor a man who changed the course of history, arguably.
10:31Tulsi, I think you would agree.
10:33He's responsible, very likely, for why you're sitting in this job for President Trump being elected.
10:38He was a key, key player as we honor him tonight and look at these pictures.
10:42There's no doubt about it.
10:43He was always there for me when I picked up the phone, said, Charlie, I could use your help.
10:48He helped me and so many others in times where I wasn't even aware of it, and I would hear of it thirdhand.
10:54But really, it was his motivation that Charlie so deeply, so deeply loved this country and sincerely valued the principles and values that are enshrined in our Constitution.
11:08He lived this appreciation for freedom and used his life to inspire others to stand up for those principles, was unabashed about his love for God, his faith in God, and treated everyone, no matter who they were, no matter what their background, no matter their views, with respect.
11:27That is inspired by God's love for all of us.
11:31Tulsi, and as we look at this, that door opened on Air Force Two.
11:34I know you've been on Air Force Two and Air Force One, as have I, and we can expect at any moment to see Vice President J.D. Vance come down.
11:43We know when they loaded onto Air Force Two, you saw Erica Kirk there, beautiful wife of Charlie Kirk.
11:49Their two children, they're bringing Charlie home.
11:53And, you know, you spoke, Tulsi, to the faith of Charlie Kirk, and I also want to speak to his love for family.
11:59That man loved Erica Kirk, loved his wife.
12:02Erica said it was her dream come true, marrying Charlie Kirk.
12:06He was the one.
12:07I had the pleasure of being around them.
12:09I'm sure you did, too.
12:10It was a love story.
12:12It was such a beautiful, beautiful love story.
12:16I remember having dinner with them shortly after President Trump won the election at Mar-a-Lago and just telling them how, you know, the night that the president won the election, they shared this video.
12:27Charlie was live streaming the whole night, and when they announced that President Trump had won the election, Charlie had tears running down his eyes.
12:35Erica was hugging him and holding him in her arms, and she said, Charlie, you did it.
12:41And Charlie shook his head, and he said, no, God did this.
12:45This is all praise goes to God.
12:48I did nothing.
12:49This speaks to the center of their marriage being God, the strength of their love, their courage, and their commitment to put service above self, to put the well-being of others above their own.
13:01My heart is devastated for Erica and those children and the vice president being there and just wrapping them up in the love that so many of us have for them and the knowledge that, you know, Charlie can now rest in the warm embrace of God's love.
13:18Yeah, Charlie is with his savior tonight.
13:21We know that.
13:21Tulsi Gabbard, thank you for that beautiful tribute.
13:24Thank you, Kelly.
13:25Well, this is a Fox News alert.
13:27TMZ has seen the surveillance video of a man dressed in all black.
13:32Now, this individual matches the description of the FBI's person of interest, that individual that you saw in that photo.
13:37And I'll take a close look at this.
13:39This individual dressed in that same outfit that we saw in those two pictures is hobbling down a residential street.
13:46This was taken at about 11.49 a.m., and he's heading toward the Utah Valley University campus.
13:53Now, that campus is just a few blocks away, and we know for a fact that he arrived on that campus at 11.52 a.m., so there's a three-minute span there.
14:02And just six minutes after arriving on that campus, the shooting took place.
14:06The camera caught a dark figure walking in the opposite direction, with students walking in the opposite direction of the individual who we presume to be the shooter, according to the FBI's photos.
14:17This was obtained from neighborhood surveillance cameras, and we know that all night the FBI has been pouring over this footage.
14:24And this footage just in from TMZ, you can see him presumably hobbling because he has a rifle under his shirt.
14:31Let's bring in former ATF special agent in charge, Bernard Zippor, and former Secret Service agent, Tim Miller.
14:37Bernard, you worked for the ATF.
14:40That hobbling, we presume, is because he has that weapon beneath his clothing.
14:45That's a possibility.
14:47Also a possibility he was injured escaping from the roof.
14:52And, you know, his number of way of concealing a firearm, if he was going to the woods where they ultimately found it, is very possible he was carrying it on his person.
15:00And, Bernard, I just want to note this footage.
15:02This footage was from before, so I do want to make that note.
15:05Okay.
15:06Yeah.
15:07Just saying that at both scenes, the treasure trove of evidence is pretty spectacular.
15:11It was worked on all night, including the video.
15:14All the video was used with AI enhancing that got them a great opportunity for some of this.
15:20And, of course, he wore the worst possible shirt, which is a black shirt with a white square on it.
15:24And it's making it easier for them to identify him as their current suspect.
15:29Tim, and that's a question I have.
15:31Look, we're looking at this.
15:32We don't know if he has that 30-06 under his clothing or not.
15:36But he is hobbling, and it does raise that question.
15:39But I was wondering that as well.
15:41Why wear that shirt?
15:42I understand it might have been an effort to blend in with the crowd, a political T-shirt at a political event.
15:49But it does allow you to track who sells this T-shirt, who bought this T-shirt.
15:53Was it on Amazon?
15:55Yeah, I mean, that's a good point, Kaylee.
15:57But remember that this individual had a careful plan that he was going to execute.
16:02He wanted to fit in.
16:03And it looks similar to, if you flashback to the assassination attempt on President Trump, to what Crooks did.
16:10There was unusual behavior before the event.
16:14And unfortunately, nobody picked up on it.
16:17To your point, though, as you look at his behavior, it should cause people to pay attention.
16:24But they didn't.
16:25And unfortunately, he did the same method that we saw Crooks.
16:29He had obviously seen the event before he accessed the roof.
16:35And then he was able to deliver a fatal shot, which unfortunately, you know, Charlie only had close-in protection.
16:42That doesn't prevent a person with a rifle from shooting and, in this case, killing him.
16:47Bernard, you know, that video again, before the shooting, 11.49 a.m., he arrives on campus at 11.52 a.m.
16:53The shooting takes place six minutes later.
16:56You analogized this to the Boston Marathon bombing, where it took video surveillance evidence, like what we are looking at, to find Tsarnaev.
17:05It took about five days, but they did end up finding the killer.
17:10Yes.
17:10You have to understand that the entire night, everything that was collected, all the security footage from the university, all the footage that was being provided by the citizens and the public, and what they were gathering in the neighborhoods, all of that is going through a very intelligent, very intense analysis.
17:28And they're coming up with certainties and basically tying together movements in a map and giving them a very strong thing that ties back to the other evidence that was found, both in the woods and probably at what they built was the point of origin for the shooting.
17:44So it's a tremendous amount of information.
17:46They're very strong on this suspect.
17:48I'm confident they're going to get this person soon.
17:52And there's lots of follow-up.
17:55Obviously, one of the biggest things, too, is what is happening to him in terms of identification, everybody associated with him.
18:02And are there more heads to this dragon than this one individual who was hobbling down the street on a way to kill Charlie Kirk?
18:10Tim, you know, we have this footage.
18:13I presume that authorities have more than what they are telling us.
18:16But it was five days to find the Boston bomber.
18:19It was also five days to find Luigi Mangione, who killed Brian Thompson, the health care executive.
18:25And, you know, to the layman, it feels like it's been 24 hours.
18:28This could be a needle in a haystack.
18:29He could have escaped.
18:31But we do have previous crimes where we do find the killer.
18:34It just takes a few days.
18:37Now, you're spot on, Kaylee.
18:38And let me be clear, too.
18:40There's a lot of evidence being collected, even as we speak.
18:44They're going to run every lead.
18:45I don't think it's going to be too terribly long before we catch this person.
18:51I do think at the end of the day that him making fundamental mistakes, like leaving a rifle behind, palm prints, all that just makes it much easier to track him.
19:04My heart just breaks, though, because this is the new world order now, where Americans have to think about their security at a whole new level.
19:13As a Marine, you deploy to protect Americans' First Amendment rights in other countries.
19:18Now we have to stand up and protect them here.
19:21Yeah, it is a troubling pattern of violence.
19:24I mean, we've seen it from that subway in Charlotte to this to the NFL shooting.
19:27The list goes on.
19:29You know, I want to ask you, Bernard, as we look at this, this does appear to be a college-age individual, as has been widely reported.
19:37If he did have an escape plan, if he did get on that highway, he has to have resources.
19:43He has to have cash.
19:44He has to have an awareness of the cameras around him.
19:47There is a risk to trying to flee the scene.
19:49There's also a risk staying at the scene.
19:51Do you believe that he's in the area, in the vicinity, or has escaped, as is the fear of so many?
19:59Well, I'm going to go back to the fact that I think he'll be captured soon.
20:03And there's only three outcomes here.
20:04One, he commits suicide.
20:06Two, he's killed in an engagement with law enforcement, or he's captured alive.
20:09All of which, those possibilities could happen very quickly.
20:13There's only one really modern fugitive that has escaped justice, and that was Eric Rudolph, the Olympic Park bomber.
20:19But he had the entire mountains of the southeast that he was incredibly familiar with.
20:24He had support.
20:25It took years for him to finally just sort of walk out of the woods and reveal himself.
20:30But this is not the case.
20:31This is a young person, and he's not going to have the support network or the knowledge or maybe even the veracity to avoid capture for very long.
20:43You know, Tim, again, we pulled back up this live image of Charlie Kirk supporters there to greet his coffin.
20:48Such a tragic scene as we look at that, and we await for Charlie Kirk's coffin to deplane Air Force Two and come home to Phoenix, Arizona.
20:56But as we look at that, Tim, you know, one question I have about the shooter, there's been much made of how, you know, detailed the shot was, how hard of a shot this was, how much planning he must have had.
21:06But there does seem to be some amateurish moves, throwing away a weapon in the forest that will be found, walking in front of surveillance cameras.
21:13It's pretty well known most people have ring cameras these days.
21:17Is he a sophisticated assassin, or is this someone who has made mistakes that will lead us to him?
21:23Well, I think he has made mistakes.
21:25There's no question.
21:26Let me be clear.
21:27A .30-06 rifle with a little bit of training is effective three times farther than he took the shot to kill Charlie Kirk.
21:36So he is not necessarily a skilled weapons person, although he delivered one shot, one fatal view.
21:43But to the point of he may not have other support, I'm not sure I buy that.
21:47When you look at the response on social media to Charlie Kirk's death, assassination, it's shocking.
21:56And so I think he could have a network out there.
21:59If he does, then it's going to be more difficult finding him.
22:03But I'll tell you, like in the Secret Service, I'm very nervous about those that are like-minded.
22:11Yeah.
22:12As we look at that shot, I just want to point out, it appeared as if the casket of Charlie Kirk
22:16has left that place where Air Force Two landed.
22:21Just take a look at that, those American flags.
22:24He changed the course of the country with the work that he did.
22:27Gen Z young men shifting by 44 points over two years.
22:31He left a political legacy.
22:32He left a spiritual legacy.
22:34And we are going to continue to monitor the movements of an American legend tonight.
22:39You just saw an American legend pass to go on its journey to his final resting place.
22:45Charlie Kirk.
22:46Fox News correspondent Matt Finn is on the ground in Provo with the latest.
22:50Matt, what can you tell us?
22:53Well, Kaylee, a short while ago, a large envoy arrived to this campus.
22:57We're trying to confirm exactly who is here right now.
23:01But our understanding is that they are standing right at the scene,
23:05the crime scene where Charlie Kirk was assassinated here on campus.
23:08That white tent that Charlie was inside of is still standing.
23:12And that is where that envoy is right now.
23:14We're working to confirm that for you.
23:16Now, earlier today, law enforcement said there was going to be some type of press conference,
23:19but that it was suddenly canceled because of some type of urgent developments in this case.
23:25But, you know, six hours later, we have not received any major updates in this case.
23:30Earlier today, law enforcement said that they were going to use technology to try to identify the person of interest.
23:36But since then, they have released several new photos asking the public for help and also offering a $100,000 reward for information.
23:44Now, police say the suspect appears to be college aged and blended in on the campus here.
23:49The new photos just released within the past 30 minutes or so once again show this person of interest in a long, dark, black-looking T-shirt,
23:58which lines up with eyewitness accounts and video and even dispatch audio,
24:03which describe the suspect as wearing dark clothing and on a roof.
24:07Now, video or pictures that we have seen so far, it doesn't seem like the person of interest was wearing gloves.
24:14So we're told that could help investigators pick up some fingerprints or some DNA.
24:20Law enforcement also announced today that it recovered a high-powered bolt-action rifle in a wooded area that they believe the shooter fled.
24:29Now, here on the ground at Utah Valley University, that white tent where Kirk was shot, it remains up.
24:36There is an envoy kind of circling it right now, and we may get a better glimpse at who arrived here.
24:40Earlier today, the word was that FBI Director Cash Patel and Dan Bongino were supposed to arrive here in Utah,
24:46and we just want to independently confirm that they are here on the ground right now.
24:50We'll keep you updated, Kaylee.
24:51And Matt, any word on a press conference this evening?
24:56Yeah, you know, it's kind of muddled.
24:58You know, earlier today, the officials here in Utah announced that there was supposed to be an afternoon press conference,
25:05and then it was abruptly canceled, citing these urgent developments in the case.
25:09But we have not gotten any developments.
25:11There was word of a possible press conference this evening, but that has not happened.
25:15So there is something going on behind the scenes here, and we're trying to figure it out, Kaylee.
25:20Thank you, Matt.
25:20Keep us updated.
25:22Well, let's bring in retired FBI criminal profiler James Fitzgerald.
25:26He joins me now.
25:27James, I understand you were a profiler in the Unabomber case.
25:30What do you expect to be the profiler of an assassin like this?
25:34He clearly had a target.
25:35This was not a mass shooting.
25:36It was pinpointed with a specific goal at a specific person.
25:42Yes, as I told your producer earlier, Kaylee, I believe this person suffers from Kirk derangement syndrome, much like Trump derangement system.
25:51This person syndrome, this person probably went to bed at night and woke up in the morning dreaming about how somehow he would take out Charlie Kirk at some point in time.
26:01But who even knows, he may have been in one of these college campuses in the last year or two.
26:07He may have been someone standing in line or standing in a crowd and didn't like the response that Charlie was giving so eloquently and so logically explaining, you know, his points of view, counterpoints to the other people up there.
26:19So, this person is by no means a professional hitman, as some people have said earlier.
26:25I don't see that at all with him.
26:27He's a young man, obviously practiced with a .30-06.
26:30It's a bolt-action rifle.
26:31It has some recoil issues.
26:33He may have been going.
26:34I have ballistic-oriented friends.
26:36He may have been going for center mass and it went high left.
26:39He may have been going for headshot and it went down to the neck, not carrying, not taking in the 200 yards distance with gravity.
26:46So, this guy practiced at a range somewhere and that's part of what the FBI is doing right now.
26:51They're going around to every range within 100 miles of there and say, hey, who was practicing in the last month or more with a Mauser-type rifle, .30-06, and doing these types of things.
27:02But he is not a professional hitman.
27:04He's full of venom towards Charlie Kirk and the whole conservative movement.
27:09And this was his way of answering, responding to Charlie Kirk that he could never do in real time.
27:16I do want to bring our viewers a Fox News alert that we do expect an answer to the question.
27:21I just asked Matt Finn, when will we have a press conference?
27:24Well, James, it appears that we will have a press conference within the hour.
27:27I presume that means that there's some sort of new information.
27:30We've gotten those conflicting reports about the message that was left on the bullet.
27:34Nothing to confirm here at Fox News.
27:37We don't know the name of the person who is pictured.
27:39We know a flood of calls come into the FBI.
27:42When a picture like that goes out, they're pouring through those.
27:45So, do we get a name?
27:46Do we get any indication of the message on the bullets?
27:48But, James, I do want to ask you about that.
27:50The message on the bullets, this is something that we've seen as a disturbing trend.
27:53We saw this with the Minneapolis shooter who put a message on the bullets.
27:56We saw this with Luigi Mangione, who had a political message that he utilized in that
28:01killing of the health care CEO.
28:03What do you make of this newfound message?
28:06Is it an attempt to just draw attention to a cause?
28:09It does seem to be a relatively new modus operandi for these killers.
28:15Well, it's highly derivative.
28:17And, you know, in World War II, the soldiers would write names on the bombs that are about
28:21to drop, you know, against the various enemies.
28:25So, this is not necessarily new.
28:27Obviously, the CEO killer in modern times is the one that started it.
28:31And other people follow one another in that regard.
28:34Not all that original.
28:36Not all that creative.
28:37No doubt, this person yesterday, Charlie Kirk's assassin, followed what the Butler assassin
28:43from last summer and tried to do the same thing on the roof.
28:47He saw a soft target.
28:49He may have liked to have taken out Trump himself or J.D. Vance, the vice president.
28:53But he knew they were hard targets.
28:55He knew two attempts last summer didn't work.
28:57So, he sort of lowered his expectations, went for the soft target, and he started building
29:02this animus towards Charlie Kirk.
29:04And that became the desired target for this person.
29:07James, I do want you to stay with us.
29:09It's a busy news night period.
29:10Another Fox News alert.
29:12All of this is quickly pouring in.
29:13New information.
29:14New images.
29:14And what you're looking at are brand new images that we have come in of the proposed
29:19shooter, the person of interest.
29:21Now, the photos show the individual in the same black T-shirt.
29:25He's walking up the staircase.
29:27And that's just moments before the shooting.
29:29We know that staircase is where we got the initial photos.
29:32But these are the clearest photos that we have seen yet.
29:35You can see his jawline.
29:37You can see with precision more exactly what the shooter looked like.
29:41James, you're the perfect person to speak with as a behavioral analyst who has a long
29:45and rich history in this.
29:47That shot right there that you're looking at, that is the clearest picture we have of
29:51the shooter.
29:52You can see his facial structure.
29:54That's a crystal clear image of the person they are looking for.
29:59And let me add to that, Kaylee.
30:00If this person was innocent, if this person really had a peg leg or something wrong and
30:06they were limping for that reason, hanging around the campus for whatever reason, he would
30:09have come forward, said, whoa, FBI, back off.
30:12It's not me.
30:13I'm not the bad guy.
30:14So the fact that this person hasn't showed up, I think the first pictures went out earlier
30:18this morning, somehow someone would have reached out for him.
30:21I guarantee you mom and dad are already in touch with him.
30:24They've probably contacted lawyers already.
30:27And they know there's going to be an effect when this person is eventually identified and
30:34the police and FBI are going to come to them.
30:36So these are great pictures.
30:37This case is coming together.
30:38It took five days for the Boston Marathon.
30:41People to be identified were down now to about 36 hours or so.
30:46And I think it may be the arrest may be nigh any time in the next few hours.
30:51That may be what the press conference is about pretty soon.
30:54Yeah.
30:54And you do wonder, James, I just want to ask you quickly because we got to we got to move
30:58here in just a moment.
30:59But this individual, now that you see these pictures, you know, the FBI has these pictures.
31:03They probably have far more than what we're seeing.
31:04Do you think we get the name of the individual, the person of interest tonight, now that we
31:09see these photos exist?
31:10There's facial recognition technology and all kinds of technology the FBI can use in
31:15these cases.
31:17Absolutely.
31:18Facial recognition, AI that's being utilized at the highest levels today in federal law
31:23enforcement.
31:23I trust Kash Patel and his people working on this particular case.
31:27They're going to get it solved.
31:28They may have the name already.
31:30I wouldn't be surprised at all.
31:31The question is, is now finding him.
31:33And I don't think he's not going to go out like a hero.
31:35He's going to go out like the P word.
31:37And it won't be that word.
31:38I'll call him a pansy.
31:39That's how he's going to go out.
31:40Yeah.
31:40No doubt.
31:41We really appreciate your time.
31:43We know a press conference within the hour.
31:45We will get all kinds of new details and we will bring them to you.
31:48We do want to bring you this.
31:49We have an eyewitness.
31:50Now, police began their manhunt immediately after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
31:55They combed through the campus in the nearby neighborhoods that you're looking at.
31:58They went door to door.
32:00They were searching for clues that might bring them closer to the killer.
32:05There are about six armed men in the backyard of a home right next to UVU campus.
32:14Apparently, they are looking for another suspect.
32:20Maybe another suspect has not been apprehended.
32:23And they're actively searching.
32:28Phil Lyman witnessed the assassination and the manhunt.
32:32You know, Phil, I'm sorry.
32:33I know yesterday must have been a very traumatic day for you having been there at the scene.
32:37And I want to start from the beginning.
32:39You were there, as I understand, at Charlie Kirk's event.
32:41You were right there at the front, that imagery we have of him tossing out those hats.
32:46You actually interacted with Charlie.
32:47Tell us what you saw.
32:49Yeah.
32:50I mean, Kaylee, this is amazing to me because that footage, every time I see a clip, and
32:54I'm not watching it all day because I'm doing things like this, but that footage, my car
32:59is in the driveway behind him as he's walking by.
33:01We went to that house afterwards.
33:03I parked there at about 1130 and walked over probably the exact same route that he did right
33:10in front, went down to meet Charlie Kirk's entourage as was planned.
33:17I went back, talked to him for a moment as he got out, and I stood there by him as he
33:21was talking.
33:21I wanted to go up and talk to some of my friends and see if they wanted to come down.
33:25So I walked clear back to the back.
33:26I got back to the far east side.
33:29I was walking into the student services building, and I heard a loud bang.
33:34And in fact, I turned right around and walked back out.
33:38I was looking, talked to some girls, and I said, that was right here.
33:41That was a shot.
33:42That was from right here.
33:43And I was literally, I was literally just beneath him.
33:50And I was looking around there.
33:52It's just so uncanny that all of this stuff is, it's not, I mean, this is my, like my family's
33:57property next door.
33:58And so, yeah, it's really, it's really amazing.
34:01As I go through this, so many, so many connections.
34:04A guy came up and said, said, I think that was a 22.
34:07I said, that sounded like a 30 out six to me.
34:09Well, you were right.
34:10All information we have indicates it was a 30 out six, not officially confirmed, but
34:15all the experts that I've read have indicated just that.
34:18I do want to linger on a moment for what you just told us.
34:20And I'm going to ask the team to pull back up that surveillance footage that we've gotten
34:24from TMZ, from those neighborhood cameras.
34:26You said that in that footage is your driveway, and you parked there at 1130 a.m.
34:33We know this footage that you're looking at was taken at 1149 a.m.
34:36So, so you would have been on that street, that driveway, 19 minutes.
34:41Yes, right across, right across.
34:43Yeah.
34:44It's not my driveway.
34:45It's my aunt's driveway.
34:47Parking lot was very full.
34:49He's walking, he's walking in front of my aunt's house there right now.
34:52And my cousin's house is the driveway that is taking that photo.
34:56And my CRV, the gray CRV in the distance there is, that is my car.
35:00I parked there probably 10 minutes before he walked by.
35:03And I had not seen this footage until just now, and I'm, it just keeps, so many things
35:08that keep linking up.
35:10It's really astonishing to me.
35:12And then we went back to this house afterwards.
35:14They thought they had the shooter.
35:16So I took a friend of mine, we went back to my aunt's house, and said, well, we'll just
35:20hang out here for a while.
35:23And before long, the people were combing the backyard, as you saw.
35:27She had the footage of that.
35:28And pretty soon, helicopters are overhead.
35:31And so this is very, very local to me.
35:34Very, I mean, not only is it Utah, but it's kind of my neighborhood where I spent so much
35:38of my childhood and all of my relatives.
35:41This is really astonishing.
35:43It's been a, I got up yesterday morning at six o'clock to drive up and meet Charlie.
35:48And I haven't been to bed since then, because it's just one thing after another, after another.
35:54And so astonishing that this could happen in Utah.
36:00And yeah, all of these things that are coming to life.
36:03I mean, you say this, you say this is local.
36:05I just want to point out, I mean, you can't get more local than your aunt's driveway, which
36:08is there, your gray CRV.
36:09I just want to try to gather some information right now.
36:12Do you know anything about the cameras beside?
36:14Have you observed ring cameras there?
36:16Do we think that there could be additional angles?
36:18We know the FBI was swarming your street when you went back to this location two hours later.
36:22What can you tell us about the camera situation or anything you may know about what it's like
36:27to walk down that street?
36:29So you've got the, you've got the cameras that are on this side of the street that are
36:33taking the footage that you're looking at on the other side of the street, their older
36:36homes, they don't have any, any, any camera surveillance on the other side.
36:41So I think what, I think what you're seeing there, and I, I know the end of, I mean, he's
36:45my age, he's my first cousin, he lives in that house, and this is his ring camera.
36:49And really, I'm just like blown away right now.
36:52I would be pretty blown away as well.
36:54I mean, the killer walked down that street 19 minutes after you were there, and you returned
36:59to that location, I believe it was 2.30 local time.
37:02So it would have been, correct me if I'm wrong, two hours after the shooting.
37:06When you came back two hours later, the FBI was swarming that street.
37:09Do you have any indication at what time the FBI and law enforcement got to that location?
37:13Because it seems like there's some pretty critical evidence to collect right in front of your
37:17aunt's driveway.
37:18Yeah, we got there probably, probably about 1.45 is about the time that we got back to
37:23her house.
37:23And it was a half hour, 45 minutes later, that someone said, hey, there's, there are military
37:29guys in the backyard.
37:30And, and National Guard was going up and down the street.
37:36And then I got a call from the person who owns this house, my cousin, Sam.
37:40And he said, hey, I've, I've got some connections to the military, they said, or to the police
37:44department, they said that there's maybe another suspect.
37:47So just lock the doors just in case.
37:50And of course, this was after the shooting.
37:51Um, so, um, you know, just right there.
37:55And that would have been around two, two 15, two 30.
37:58I see any indication.
37:59You mentioned another suspect.
38:00I mean, that's the first, we have no information to suggest there's another suspect.
38:04We also have no information to suggest that this is the only individual involved in this.
38:08Did you ever hear anything else from neighbors?
38:10I've seen any, any, anything else suspicious right there in front of where your car was parked?
38:15No, I mean, we were standing, we were standing in that driveway for, for 15, 20 minutes talking,
38:22uh, cause we, we were under the impression that the shooter had been apprehended.
38:28Um, and that's why, that's why they said, you know, maybe there's a second suspect, uh,
38:32but there wasn't the first two that they arrested were, you know, that didn't pan out.
38:37So I'm not suggesting there were two, I'm suggesting that the one that we thought was the one they
38:42had in custody was then released and then the second one was released.
38:46So, but yeah, in the meantime, this guy is, is moving around and in the trees back in
38:51the back is, is they were poking around.
38:52I don't know where they retrieved the gun, but it's going to be close to that spot.
38:57Wow.
38:57Well, Phil, this has been critical information.
38:59We really appreciate your insight and also your testimony to Charlie Kirk.
39:03I know someone that you love dearly.
39:05I, I, yeah, I do want to just express my heartfelt condolences to his family.
39:09So, yeah, absolutely.
39:11All right.
39:12And we do know at this hour that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino have arrived.
39:15We are expecting that press conference within the hour.
39:17We're getting tons of new evidence and we will bring that to you, that press conference
39:22as soon as we get it.
39:23But for now, let's bring in former FBI deputy director, Scott Sweetow.
39:27He joins me now.
39:28Scott, I want to know your analysis of this.
39:30There's so much coming in.
39:31We have the new pictures, that crystal clear imagery of the shooter.
39:35We have the surveillance footage.
39:37A lot of us waiting all day for any little drip of information.
39:40And it all seems to be coming in right now at the 8 p.m.
39:44Eastern time hour.
39:45Yeah, it's definitely a torrent of new information.
39:50I think the FBI would have actually had enough time now.
39:53The FBI laboratory in Quantico would have had to extract a DNA profile if one was available.
39:59So they're certainly going to have that available.
40:02They would have checked in the national, state, and local databases to see if there was a match.
40:09But they also could start doing things like what they call genetic genealogy, which is being
40:14able to match it to potential relatives, which has been super successful for serial killer cases.
40:20The other thing is, because they've had that weapon for a while, they've been able to exploit
40:26every bit of it.
40:27They would have likely been able to find it.
40:35I think we lost you there, Scott.
40:37So we'll come back to Scott when we get him.
40:39We're also willing to bring you that press conference at any moment.
40:42At any moment, we'll bring you that press conference when it comes.
40:45I'm checking in with my team.
40:46There's a lot pouring in at this moment, and we do want to linger on this image.
40:51If you have just now joined us, what you're looking at is the individual.
40:54We had those two pictures of the person of interest.
40:57They were a little bit hazy, but you could make out the insignia on the individual's T-shirt.
41:01But now we have new images, and you see this, as I've been calling it, the crystal clear shot.
41:05You can make out the facial structure of this person of interest.
41:10Do they have a name?
41:11Do they not have a name?
41:12They certainly have a lot of evidence.
41:14And this is just what's publicly available.
41:15You have to imagine, with all of those cameras in that neighborhood, in that surveillance footage,
41:21that they have a lot more than what we're showing you at this moment.
41:24Scott, I want to bring you back.
41:25I understand we have you.
41:27And I also understand that you've told our producers, when it comes to tracing this weapon,
41:31and he seems to be hobbling, and we believe that he might have that weapon underneath his clothing,
41:38which is why he would be hobbling.
41:40But you believe that weapon might be difficult to trace.
41:43Why?
41:43An old military weapon like this, something that may have been around literally since World
41:51War II or the 1950s, would have to be imported back into the United States.
41:57And the rules on doing that are fairly complicated.
42:00So when an importer brings that weapon back to the United States, they have to put certain
42:05markings on them.
42:06And those markings can be very difficult to find.
42:09But if that gun was actually sold at a gun show by a private dealer, you know, essentially
42:14a private party, there may not be any record other than when the gun was first imported
42:21to the United States and sold to a dealer.
42:23So that actually may be a real long shot to be able to trace that gun.
42:28You know, I also want to note that you call this a work backwards investigation.
42:32I want you to explain what that is for our viewers.
42:34And I also would like to know from you, you know, as you're looking at surveillance footage
42:38like this, we know where he was.
42:40We know this was 1149 a.m.
42:42In that work backwards investigation, what is most critical to finding this person of
42:47interest?
42:47Is it the interviews you're conducting with individuals like Phil, who we just spoke with,
42:50whose car was right there?
42:52Is it the footage?
42:53How do you complete this picture if you are lacking that DNA evidence?
42:58So great question.
43:00The same kind of technique was used during the Boston Marathon bombings in 2013 and also
43:08the D.C. pipe bombs from January 5th, 2021.
43:12So you really start out with something that you know.
43:15You know he was on the roof.
43:17You know he went into that stairwell.
43:19So the investigators are going to go to where they're certain of something and then they're
43:24going to look around.
43:25What do they see?
43:26Do they see any cameras?
43:28Then you go backwards to where those.
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