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Sa patuloy na imbestigasyon sa mga flood control projects sa bansa, lumalabas ang samu’t saring issue. Ano pa kaya ang dapat asahan ng taumbayan? Alamin dito sa Issue ng Bayan.
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00:00Nagmbabalik po wong si here at Dear P associations,
00:02patuloy pa rin po ang mga pagdinig kaugday na mga flood control project ng gobyerno.
00:07Marami.
00:07Ang lumutan ng mga tanong kaugdayan yan.
00:10Naongkat, yung pagbigay ng donasyon ng mga kontraktor sa mga politiko,
00:14ang paggamit ng mga pecking ID ng mga kawaday ng gobyerno at maraming iba pa.
00:20Patuloy po natin himayin ang usaping ito dito sa Issue ng Bayan.
00:30At mga kapanayan po natin ngayong umaga para pag-usapan niyan,
00:33Professor Emeritus ng NCPAG, National College of Public Administration and Governance,
00:39Professor Maria Fe Mendoza.
00:41Dr. Mendoza, magandang umaga po. Thank you for joining us.
00:45Magandang umaga po.
00:47Si Ivan po, opo.
00:48Una ma'am, ipinag-utos po ni Secretary Dizon yung pag-suspinde
00:53ng bidding ng mga locally funded project ng DPWH sa buong bansa
00:57para i-review muna ang proseso. Nakakailang araw pa lang siya sa pwesto eh.
01:02Ano po ba ang pinaka-dapat ayusin sa bidding process ng DPWH projects
01:06para po maiwasan itong mga ganitong paulit-ulit na lang
01:09ng corruption issues involving the department?
01:13Yeah, Ivan, medyo hindi naman komplikado yung bidding process
01:18kasi magsasabit lang sila ng technical at financial proposals.
01:24Ang problema kasi, yung hindi nakikita.
01:28Kasi yung ano doon, kasama doon sa requirements,
01:32accreditation with pickup, yung capitalization, yung mga ganon.
01:37Ang hindi kasi nakikita, una, kung in-cahoots yung mga contractor.
01:43Kasi usually nag-uusap-usap,
01:45oh sige, ikaw na lang akumuha niyan, ganyan-ganyan.
01:47So, hindi yun nakikita doon sa bidding.
01:51Pangalawa, hindi masyadong sigurong masusi yung pagtingin
01:55kung pickup accredited siya, pero yung track record ba niya,
01:59yung ganyan.
02:00So, dapat nakikita yun doon sa bidding process.
02:04Tapos nga yung capitalization.
02:06Kasi kung ang capitalization ay 250,
02:09tapos billion yung gagawing project,
02:13medyo magduda ka na.
02:17Kasi ang hitlang pala ng capitalization nito,
02:20pero nagbibid sa isang napakalaking project.
02:22Prof, nabanggit niyo yung in-cahoots.
02:26Pag sinabi hoon ating in-cahoots,
02:28sino-sino ho ba nagukutsabahan dyan?
02:31Yung unang ano kasi, yung mga contractor.
02:34Kasi tinitingnan nila,
02:36ay, teka muna, baka hindi ako manalo dyan.
02:39Usually, nag-uusap sila.
02:41O sige, tatakasan ko yung aking vis-a-vis the ABC,
02:47yung budget na allocated for the project.
02:50O tapos ikaw na.
02:52Kasi mahirap din mapatunayan yung in-cahoots with DPWH.
02:58Or with the local government officials.
03:00Or with the local government officials.
03:02Or with a national government official.
03:05Medyo mahirap kasing mapatunayan yun.
03:08Opo.
03:08Ma'am, hiniling din ni Secretary Dizon na mag-issue ng Immigration Lookout Bulletin Order
03:12sa ilang opisyal ng DPWH at mga contractor na dawid dito sa maanumalyang flood control projects.
03:18Ano ba itong ilbo?
03:20And would you say that this is an important step that the Secretary is taking?
03:26Importante siya kasi mayroong flight race yung iba kasi yung magtatago na yan, di ba?
03:34Lalo na ngayon na mainit talaga.
03:37May hearing, nakatutok ang media, nakatutok ang tao.
03:42Important step siya.
03:43Pero kasi wala pang yung pinaka-importante.
03:46Kasi pag look out.
03:48O edi, tapos i-report na.
03:50Kunyari, nag-issue na ang DOH.
03:53Pupunta na sa Bureau of Immigration.
03:56So parang ang ano doon.
03:59Magre-report.
03:59Ay, hindi ito siya.
04:00Ganun-ganun.
04:01O kaya mahirap.
04:03Kasi di ba kagaya yung mga umaalis noon.
04:05Parang hindi nakak...
04:06Professor?
04:11Professor Mendoza?
04:13Opo.
04:14Ayan, ayan.
04:14Go ahead ma.
04:15Medyo nag-freeze lang po kayo.
04:16Go ahead.
04:17You were making a point.
04:18Yes.
04:19Yung sa ilbo, okay siya.
04:21This is an important step.
04:23Kaya lang nga, medyo masalimuot pa.
04:26Kasi pag ilbo, look out.
04:28And then may lag.
04:29Kung i-report, oye, nandito siya.
04:31O kaya minsan naman, yung mga umaalis,
04:34very creative kasi.
04:35At hindi naka-structure ng CCTV.
04:38At yun gano'n.
04:39So meron pang ano doon.
04:41So pwede pang makalabas.
04:43Tapos nga,
04:44ang pinakaano kasi yung hold order,
04:46hold departure order.
04:49Kaya lang, hindi pa,
04:50papunta pa siguro yun kapag meron ng...
04:52Wala pang court case.
04:53...a substantive na reason
04:56para magkaroon ng hold departure order.
05:00Ma'am, ongoing po yung mga hearings ngayon,
05:02both in the lower house and senate.
05:05May mga nabanggit po mga kandidatong
05:07tumanggap daw ng donasyon
05:08para sa kanilang kampanya
05:09mula sa mga kontraktor.
05:11Ito, pakigal lamang po natin
05:12yung particular na pahayag na yan.
05:14Kaya po ba ay nagtigay ng donasyon
05:19sa sinuman na kumantidato,
05:23whether local or national,
05:26sa huli mga eleksyon?
05:282022, your honor?
05:30Yes.
05:30Yes po.
05:31Kanina po yun.
05:33Kay St. Churches po?
05:36St. Churches, Escudero.
05:38Yes po.
05:40Linawin nga lang po natin, ma'am,
05:41ito pong mga ganitong donasyon.
05:43Bawal po ito.
05:45Bawal na.
05:46Pero may sinasabi po sila,
05:48personal money naman daw eh.
05:49Does that make a difference?
05:51Hindi.
05:52Kasi whether it's personal
05:53or juridical entity
05:55ang nag-donate,
05:57bawal siya dun sa ating
05:58omnibus code.
06:01Kaya lang,
06:01kung 2022 siya,
06:03kasi para ang tutuka kasi
06:05ng COMELEC natin,
06:06dun sa Certificate of
06:07Contain Expenditure,
06:10diba?
06:11Yun yung pinitinaon.
06:12Pag nag-comply kayo,
06:14okay.
06:14Pag hindi.
06:15Pero yung magbusising pagtingin,
06:17dun sa nag-comply.
06:20Tapos ang ano pa,
06:21iti-check mo pa sa DPWH
06:23kung may active contract.
06:24Okay.
06:25So, nakalagay dun sa
06:27SOSE ba yun?
06:28Pero gano'n,
06:29hindi nakalagay
06:30doon sa SOSE
06:31kung may active government contract.
06:33Kasi ang word doon
06:36ay,
06:37yung predicate word,
06:38yung active government contract.
06:41Oo.
06:42Tapos nga,
06:42ang sanction niya,
06:43parang one to six years
06:46or yung
06:47perpetual disqualification
06:49or yung
06:49lifting of the political rights.
06:52Diba?
06:54Tapos hindi rin,
06:55so ito ba,
06:56ikakaso doon sa contractor.
06:58Pag kinasa sa public service,
07:00sasabihin,
07:01kasi ang ano lang doon,
07:02kung meron siyang
07:04kaalaman
07:05na galing ito sa
07:08contractor na may active contract.
07:11Yes.
07:11Oo.
07:12So,
07:12parang sabihin,
07:13eh,
07:13kaibigan ko siya,
07:14simula pa nung bata ka kami.
07:15Diba?
07:15Yung parang gato.
07:17Eh,
07:17pero kung kaibigan mo siya,
07:19kung bata pa kayo,
07:21magkaibigan na kayo.
07:22Siyempre,
07:22alam mo din kung may government contract siya
07:24o wala.
07:25Yes.
07:25Diba?
07:26Pero,
07:26i-deny kasi yun.
07:29The phrase,
07:30the phrase,
07:31conflict of interest comes to mind.
07:33Ano po.
07:33Pero mukhang,
07:34hindi naman ho ito,
07:36exception eh.
07:37It seems to be the rule,
07:38rather than the exception,
07:39sa ating mga public servants.
07:41Yung mga,
07:42yung mga,
07:43kumukuha ng donasyon,
07:45pero,
07:46yun nga,
07:46baka may mga active contracts sa gobyerno.
07:51Opo.
07:52Ah,
07:52so,
07:53oh,
07:53yung conflict of interest,
07:55talagang kailangang,
07:57kailangang,
07:59ano,
07:59kasi yung iba naman,
08:00ay,
08:01ah,
08:01kasi di ba,
08:02meron din tayo daw mga legislators
08:03o mga public officials
08:05who are contractors.
08:07Yes.
08:07O, yung gano'n.
08:08Kasi doon sa party list natin,
08:09di ba,
08:10may nanalo,
08:11ah,
08:11contractor association.
08:13Di ba?
08:14Parang,
08:14ano mo doon,
08:16ah,
08:16nag-disclose na naman kami,
08:18nag-alis na naman kami ng shares dyan.
08:20Ah,
08:21nilipat lang pala sa kamag-anak,
08:23di ba?
08:23Oo,
08:24nilipat sa kamag-anak.
08:25So,
08:25parang,
08:26ang ano doon,
08:27kailangan kasi,
08:28ah,
08:29yung pananak natin sa public service.
08:32Mm-hmm.
08:33Kasi malinaw doon,
08:34pag public service,
08:35ah,
08:36hindi siya public,
08:37private interest,
08:38it's public interest.
08:40Ah,
08:40so,
08:41may conflict of interest,
08:43talaga,
08:44kapag mas-mas,
08:45mapapa,
08:46mas dominated,
08:47ng private interest,
08:49yung public interest.
08:50Ma'am,
08:51let me just go to another point
08:52about public servants.
08:54Yung isa ho,
08:54taga DPWH,
08:56pumirman ng completion certificate.
08:58Ito hoong si District Engineer Henry Alcantara
09:00sa flood control projects.
09:02Kahit hindi niya ito personal na ininspeksyon.
09:04Nagtiwala daw siya sa mga tao niya sa baba
09:06na ginawa na lila,
09:08so,
09:08pinirmahan niya.
09:11Oo,
09:12sa ibang pagkakataon,
09:14pwede nilang sagihin yun.
09:16Kasi,
09:16kunyar,
09:17daming ano.
09:17Pero yun nga,
09:19ah,
09:19kasi accountable ka doon sa firma mo.
09:23Meron ka rin,
09:24kahit na may due diligence ka rin
09:26dapat gawin
09:27sa sarili,
09:28sa sarili mo.
09:30Oo,
09:31sige,
09:31trusted mo yun.
09:32Kasi okay na po yan,
09:33ganyan,
09:34ganyan,
09:34di ba?
09:34Pero,
09:35mag-investiga ka din
09:37bagong mo ilagay
09:38ang firma mo.
09:40Parang yun ang bare minimum yata.
09:42Pag,
09:43ah,
09:44you have people under you,
09:45pero you're heading a unit,
09:47parang may,
09:48ano din eh,
09:48may,
09:49ah,
09:50command responsibility
09:52di ba?
09:52Pinirmahan ninyo,
09:53so dapat,
09:54na-check ninyo.
09:55Hindi ho ba?
09:57Oo.
09:58Dapat,
09:58ano,
09:58kasi dapat,
10:00ah,
10:00isa puso natin yung
10:01command responsibility.
10:03Hindi siya,
10:04ah,
10:05joking matter.
10:06It's a very serious matter.
10:08Kasi,
10:08ah,
10:09meron kung,
10:10ah,
10:10alam mo yung trabaho mo,
10:12ito yung command responsibility mo,
10:14ah,
10:14ah,
10:14aayusin mo yung trabaho mo.
10:16Kasi ang taki ng,
10:17ano,
10:18kaampat na sanction doon eh.
10:20Yes, yes.
10:20And let's not even,
10:22ah,
10:22go to the topic of gambling.
10:24Inamin po ng mga,
10:26ah,
10:27ah,
10:27DPWH,
10:28ah,
10:28engineers na,
10:29nakakapasok daw sila sa kasino.
10:31Using fictitious names.
10:33Oo nga.
10:34ah,
10:36ah,
10:36ang hirap na,
10:37no,
10:37kasi,
10:37yun nga,
10:38ah,
10:38ah,
10:38gambling is addictive,
10:40ah,
10:40kaya nga yung ating mga online gambling,
10:43yung mga ganyan,
10:44ah,
10:44pati yung pagpunta talaga sa kasino,
10:46ay pinagbabawal.
10:48Yes.
10:48Kasi ang ano mo doon,
10:50pag na-addict ka na sa paggagambol,
10:54ah,
10:54maaaring hindi lang pera mo ang nagagasto.
10:57Yes,
10:57ah.
10:58Ma?
10:58Oo.
10:59Oo.
10:59So,
10:59sorry,
11:01pinagtatalaw na po ngayon sa Senado,
11:03ay sa Kongreso,
11:04kung patatawag yung mga leaders ng previous Congress,
11:09ng leaders ng Committee on Appropriations.
11:12Kasi po sa ngayon,
11:13we're talking about,
11:14ah,
11:15DPWH personnel,
11:17we talk about contractors,
11:18may mga nakikita tayo,
11:20mga red flags,
11:21but so far,
11:22yung mga legislators,
11:23hindi po po sila masyadong nadidiin,
11:25dito sa sinasagawa nila ang investigasyon.
11:27May calls po,
11:28to call Representative Zaldico,
11:30halimbawa,
11:31na,
11:32para,
11:32bigyang linaw daw,
11:33itong naging process sa 2025 budget.
11:36What do you think of this?
11:37Kung talagang,
11:39honest to goodness,
11:41investigation in aid of legislation,
11:45tapat walang sinisino.
11:48Meaning everyone involved?
11:50Oo.
11:51At saka yun na,
11:52kasi tinitingnan pa lang natin,
11:532022 to 2025,
11:56diba?
11:57Ah,
11:58marami ding nangyari,
12:02doon sa 2016 to 2022.
12:05Professor,
12:07as a final question,
12:08bigyan nyo nga po ng assessment
12:10ang mga manonood natin.
12:12We're witnessing all of these investigations,
12:15allegations left and right,
12:17pero,
12:18how do they make sense of all this
12:20at ano ho ang dapat gawin
12:21ng isang ordinaryong mamamayang Pilipino
12:23patungkol po dito sa mga usapin
12:25ng katiwalian
12:27sa mga public projects?
12:30Ah,
12:31sagutin ko yung pangalawa mong tanong,
12:32Ivan.
12:34Oo.
12:34Ang anong gagawin natin,
12:36kasi dapat ang ordinaryong mamamayan,
12:38although marami siyang concerns,
12:40kasi kukonti lang yung means niya
12:42for subsistence,
12:43diba?
12:44Makinig,
12:45imulat,
12:46iayos ang kamulatan
12:48para alam natin
12:51na yung mga nangyayaring ito,
12:52hindi ito basa-basa
12:53kasi pera ng bayan ito.
12:56Importante na
12:57ang pera ng bayan
12:59ay pumunta sa mga dapat na
13:01public services
13:02na mai-enjoy natin.
13:04So,
13:04ano yung general assessment ko
13:06sa nangyayari?
13:07Ah,
13:07kasi napaka-reactive natin.
13:09At saka,
13:10ano,
13:11although yun nga,
13:12dapat may seryoso talagang,
13:14ano,
13:14anti-corruption
13:15effort
13:16ng gobyerno.
13:18Pero kasi,
13:18ang dami kasing
13:19measures na kailangan
13:21bago pa talaga
13:23magkaroon ng successful
13:24anti-corruption
13:27parang program.
13:30Una,
13:31inaayos na naman nila
13:32yung budget process
13:33kasi napaso tayo
13:35dun sa GAA 2025,
13:37diba?
13:37So,
13:38tama yun.
13:39Ah,
13:39kaya lang,
13:39diba,
13:40parang nag-rependulum
13:40swing sila.
13:42Kaya na muna,
13:42ayusin nyo na muna yan.
13:43Okay,
13:44o sige,
13:45as-ease na lang natin
13:46para sa kanila
13:47yung accountability,
13:48diba?
13:49Pero yun nga,
13:50dito sa daramang ito,
13:52ah,
13:52hindi naayos yung proseso.
13:54Eh,
13:54ditignan kung ano yung
13:56binigay na net,
13:58ah,
13:58tignan kung ano yung
13:59nakikita nilang
14:00ah,
14:01mali,
14:01and then,
14:02mag-usap.
14:03Kasi dun sa mga hearing naman,
14:04kasama naman yung mga
14:06focal persons
14:07ng executive,
14:08diba?
14:08Ah,
14:09so ayusin yung budget process.
14:10Tapos,
14:11ah,
14:11yung dagdag bawas,
14:13hindi lang dapat
14:13sa eleksyon,
14:14hindi sa eleksyon na lang
14:15nangyayari,
14:16dun din sa,
14:17sa GAA natin.
14:19Ah,
14:20so dapat,
14:22may konti namang,
14:23ano,
14:23yung kagaya nga nang sinabi,
14:25may konti nga.
14:26Tapos yung sa executive naman,
14:28ah,
14:28kasi diba,
14:29nagpalit na nga ng
14:30secretary ang DPWH,
14:32ah,
14:33meron siyang,
14:34ano,
14:34sabi niya,
14:34marami rang marching orders
14:36from the president.
14:38Seryosong gawin yun,
14:39diba?
14:39Ah,
14:40ah,
14:40ah,
14:40kaya lang ah,
14:40ah,
14:41yung mga ginagawa ngayon,
14:43ah,
14:43ah,
14:43medyo masakit
14:44at medyo radical.
14:46But these are needed measures
14:48in order to have a fresh start.
14:52Professor Maria F. Mendoza,
14:54maraming salamat po.
14:55Thank you for joining us this morning, ma'am.
14:57Okay,
14:57thank you, Sir Ivan.
14:59Mga kapuso,
14:59patuloy po natin babantayan
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