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00:00Many times, throughout these presentations that serve as introduction to this collection of DVDs and books of IV millennium,
00:13I've talked about images iconographic, images with a great force,
00:17of diapositives of the mystery that we have left, in a way or another, in depth.
00:22One of them, that would be the one that was obtained, even though it was a series of several, because the interesting and intriguing of this story is that it was not only a graphic document,
00:33but a lot of pictures of photographs.
00:36I refer to what happened, the image, the image, the efigie, that appeared close to the cúpulas of Santa María de Ceitún.
00:44It was in the 1960s, it was a village that had been in multitude, and it was really surprising that in a Muslim country,
00:54precisely, there were some supposedly marian apparitions, even the authority competent to cut the light of the Cairo
01:01to prove if that figure, as it was what it was, would be to emerge.
01:06And so happened, and so happened.
01:08And then, thousands of people came, during a magical night, and that we would have loved to live as reporters,
01:14to the apparitions of Ceitún.
01:17And the rest of all of that is still forgotten.
01:19There are articles, articles, newspapers, newspapers, newspapers...
01:22We wanted to know a bit more about what happened,
01:24to do with witnesses that came to those days of 1968,
01:29to postarse, waiting for the impossible miracle,
01:32and also, how not, to analyze graphically, informatically,
01:36the truth, or the possible manipulation,
01:39perhaps, of the photos of a more famous apparition of all Africa.
01:43This is the mystery of the apparitions of the Virgin of the Cúpulas.
01:47This evening we have Nagy Henry,
02:02a man who is licensed in economics,
02:05a philosopher who was a professor of the Spanish Cultural Center,
02:10a person that one cannot imagine being a witness of one of the 18th century,
02:16of one of the most strange events occurred in the 20th century.
02:20For us, it's a pleasure to have this night a Nagy.
02:22Nagy, good evening.
02:23Good evening.
02:24I imagine you can't forget that moment.
02:26Tell us a little bit, how was it all in the 70s?
02:29In the 70s, I am from a family of Alejandría,
02:35and we had a boda of our family, and we had to go to Cairo.
02:39And we took advantage of this obligatory visit,
02:43to visit the church of Ceytun,
02:47where the apparition of Mariana appeared,
02:49which was two years appearing there.
02:51It was two years appearing there.
02:53Yes, yes.
02:54It started on the 2nd of April of 1968.
02:57It was a very curious story,
03:01because it was not seen first by the Christians,
03:03but not only by the Christians,
03:04but by the Muslims,
03:05or by other beliefs.
03:07The church is in front of a garage,
03:12of buses of public transport.
03:15And the first people who saw this woman,
03:19who was there,
03:21and they believed that there was a woman
03:24that was walking by the cúpulas,
03:27on top of the church.
03:29Well, they were two,
03:30a chauffeur and the encargot of the garage.
03:34Muslims?
03:35Muslims.
03:36And they saw that there,
03:37they were walking by,
03:38and at the beginning,
03:40they were afraid of that,
03:42they thought that it was a woman,
03:44that they wanted to be suicide,
03:46and then when they began to talk
03:48between them,
03:50that there was a woman,
03:51there was a woman,
03:52there was a woman,
03:53there was a woman,
03:54and she was on them,
03:55and they were in a gesture of blessing,
03:59and they saw that they were not a woman,
04:02or a woman,
04:03who wanted to be suicide,
04:04or anything.
04:05They appeared there,
04:06for a minute,
04:07and then,
04:08when they went to the church,
04:09to tell them,
04:10to tell them,
04:11to the encargot of the church,
04:13they disappeared.
04:15And then,
04:16you and your family,
04:17you and your family,
04:18you and your family,
04:19you and your family,
04:20you and your parents,
04:23you and your family,
04:24you and your family,
04:25what do you remember?
04:26Well,
04:27it was a very nice memory,
04:29because I remember that there was a lot of people,
04:32there was a lot of people,
04:33it was quite difficult,
04:34well,
04:35to park and get to the church,
04:36it was an adventure,
04:38and there was a lot of people in the same place,
04:41and outside of the church.
04:43So,
04:44we stayed almost in the entrance,
04:46in the entrance of the bus,
04:48to the church,
04:50and there were many sillas,
04:51many banks that had put there,
04:53apart from many solar panels,
04:55and places that had been rehabilitated
04:57to receive a lot of people
04:59every night,
05:00and every day,
05:01because sometimes they appeared
05:02for the morning,
05:03and others,
05:04for the night.
05:05Which is quite curious,
05:06because during the day,
05:07the night,
05:08to see more light,
05:09it's quite...
05:11It's been a big part.
05:12Much,
05:13much,
05:14much,
05:15It's been a day,
05:16or a night?
05:17It's been a night.
05:18We were at night,
05:19and we were at night.
05:20We were at night,
05:21and we were at night,
05:22and we were,
05:23we were at night,
05:24and we were at night,
05:26and we were at night.
05:28I remember that,
05:29when we started to be a boy,
05:30I was still a kid,
05:32and everyone started to be at night,
05:34They began to cry, to cheer, very beautiful, very happy, and I didn't see anything.
05:40So I took my mother to the hand and told her to see if I was able to see her.
05:46And I saw her and I saw her in the cúpulas.
05:51She had a perfect silhouette, well seen, with a cloud of light around her head.
05:58She saw perfectly well.
06:00I would like to identify her as the Virgin Mary, but surely...
06:04Naki, me sorprende, because you don't speak of a light, of a effect, of a kind of círculo.
06:11You speak of a human figure.
06:13It's a silhouette of a woman, perfect.
06:15She saw everything, everything that she wore.
06:18It's like if it were a beautiful sculpture.
06:21It's a hummus, and the appearance has always been accompanied by a smell very strong,
06:29of incense.
06:30Ah.
06:31What do you remember?
06:32Yes, yes, yes, perfect.
06:34Like if it were ayer.
06:36What did she do?
06:37What do you remember?
06:38Did you appear in a place exactly?
06:40Did she move?
06:41Did she move?
06:42Did she move?
06:43No, let's see.
06:44I saw a little light that formed the silhouette, or that person.
06:49And I did it with my hands, nothing more.
06:52That's what I remember.
06:54And then I saw like four birds that passed by there, but very quickly.
06:59Did you try to do some photography?
07:02We know that there are photographs, and I think it's the only one in the world,
07:06that very diverse photographers, in different times, have taken images.
07:10You didn't have your camera?
07:11No.
07:12Well, I was very young then.
07:14But it was filmed, even by the Egyptian television, and so on.
07:19It was filmed moment by moment, the people, the apparition, the church, everything.
07:24Did you see the face, Nagui?
07:26I didn't see a perfect face, no.
07:29I remember like a silhouette, a statue, but from far away.
07:33Who tried to imagine, Nagui, because seeing the images, thanks to our colleague Nacho Ares,
07:39we've been able to have some images of the church inside.
07:42When one, like in my case, sees the photos, it seems that it's a very high place,
07:46but it's not that far away from the ground, that figure.
07:49It's not a very large church, especially.
07:51No, it's not a very large church.
07:52So, that apparition was close to the people.
07:54Very close, very close.
07:56Even the cúpulas are not so high.
07:59It's not a church, it's not a cathedral, no.
08:02It's a church quite normal.
08:04Nobody tried to approach that figure?
08:07Do you know if someone tried to approach that figure?
08:09That I know.
08:10No.
08:11And how did it go?
08:12Well, it took like three years, and at the end, it started.
08:15But when you saw it, Nagui, when you saw it,
08:18what do you remember?
08:19What happened in the night?
08:20What happened in the night?
08:21What happened in the night?
08:22What happened in the night?
08:25Well, as it began to appear, like a smoke,
08:29some lights and stuff,
08:31it disappeared in the same way.
08:33And that took, I don't remember,
08:36almost 15 minutes.
08:3915 minutes.
08:40There were lights, like flowers or flowers,
08:42a globe of light.
08:43Yes.
08:44And if someone told you that it was not the Virgin,
08:46that it was another strange phenomenon,
08:47what would you say?
08:48Well, it's easy to explain in these cases,
08:51but accompanied by the flowers, first.
08:56Second, the smell of incense,
08:59which has been very clear,
09:02that it is not someone who is fumigating or perfumating there.
09:08It is a complete image of the Virgin Mary.
09:12I imagine that you have spent the time,
09:15almost 37 years,
09:17you can't forget that moment.
09:19Now, are you seeing that again?
09:21Yes, yes, perfectly.
09:22Like if it were yesterday.
09:23Very good memories.
09:25And what is the first thing that comes to mind of that figure?
09:28The height, the size, the peace that he breathed?
09:30No, I don't know.
09:31Well, I can hear the same voices of the people,
09:35the grits and all that,
09:37as if they were here now.
09:40During these 35 years,
09:42or 37 years,
09:43no one was informed of whether it could be a fraud?
09:45No one was guilty?
09:46No one wanted to say that he created the apparition?
09:49Well, for that apparition in particular,
09:51that there were several apparitions in Egypt,
09:53that apparition in the church of Ceitón del Cairo,
09:56no one was atrever because,
09:58apart from being filmed,
10:00photographed, miracles,
10:02all of that,
10:03it is very difficult to see someone now.
10:06Or at that point,
10:08at that point,
10:09at that point,
10:10yes, everyone,
10:11yes, no...
10:12Hubo su polémica, I imagine.
10:13Of course,
10:14the police had to cut the light
10:16during a night in that barrio
10:18to see if there was an interface
10:20or a light,
10:21or a light,
10:22or a sophisticated light,
10:24or something.
10:25So,
10:26he left the barrio in the dark?
10:27Yes,
10:28to see,
10:29and that's when the president
10:30recognized that apparition.
10:31And the figure
10:32continued resplanding?
10:33Yes, yes, yes,
10:34perfectly.
10:35Perfectly.
10:36Oye, Nagui,
10:37and a man of your culture,
10:38of your studies,
10:39that has been a professor,
10:40that I imagine
10:41that other colleagues
10:42or other people
10:43will say,
10:44well, that's impossible,
10:45that you can see it.
10:46Well,
10:48I have seen it,
10:49no one can say
10:50that it doesn't exist.
10:52For you, Nagui,
10:53no doubt?
10:54No, none.
10:55Well,
10:56I thank you very much,
10:57I thank you very much
10:58that in first person,
10:59and also in the name of your category,
11:01that you come to tell us
11:02something that,
11:03that,
11:04if you had happened in Spain,
11:05people would give us more rubors,
11:06but,
11:07of course,
11:08there has not been so strong
11:09as the aceitun,
11:10and,
11:11if you think,
11:12you are now,
11:13you will be able to analyze
11:14the documentation
11:15that there is about the aceitun,
11:16and that people
11:17know this appearance
11:18that is surprising,
11:19and that you,
11:20as a child,
11:21I imagine you,
11:22you have one of the great moments
11:23that you never can be forgotten.
11:24Nagui,
11:25thank you for telling us
11:26this story,
11:27and also,
11:28this emotion.
11:29This is our testimony,
11:30this is our man
11:31that,
11:32suddenly,
11:33had the luck of being there
11:34with his own family,
11:35coming from Alexandria,
11:36in the year 1970,
11:37and what he remembered
11:39above all is curious,
11:40the power of the ear,
11:41almost above the image,
11:43was the sound
11:44of that people
11:45who were singing,
11:46that multitude
11:47in harmony with a wonderful phenomenon
11:49absolutely wonderful.
11:50What was it?
11:51We, of course,
11:52we do not know,
11:53we do not have the luck of Nagui,
11:54but what we are going to do
11:55is try to analyze it.
11:56Are we facing the
11:57more documented apparition
11:58of the world's apparition?
11:59I think that yes.
12:00We will know
12:01what the data are,
12:02what the tests are,
12:03what the tests are.
12:04We open the expedient
12:05of the Virgin of the Cúpulas,
12:06of the Virgin of the Church
12:08of Ceytun.
12:09This is the story
12:11told by one of its protagonists,
12:12one of its protagonists.
12:13Maybe now
12:15it is time to analyze
12:16the story
12:17of the Virgin of the Church.
12:19This is the story
12:21told by one of its protagonists.
12:23Maybe now
12:24it is time to analyze
12:25the evidence
12:26of this inquietante case,
12:27the apparition
12:28of Santa María
12:29of Ceytun,
12:30in the heart of Ceytun,
12:31in the heart of Ceytun,
12:32in the heart of Ceytun,
12:33in the heart of Cairo.
12:34This is the story
12:37told by one of its protagonists.
12:39Maybe now
12:41it is time to analyze
12:42the evidence
12:43of this inquietante case,
12:45the apparition
12:46of Santa María
12:47of Ceytun,
12:48in the heart of Ceytun.
12:49It is the director
12:50of the Archaeology
12:51and my friend,
12:52Nat Soares.
12:53Good evening.
12:54Good evening, Icar.
12:55It is a strange case,
12:56without a doubt.
12:57Yes, perhaps one
12:58of the most documented
12:59of the history
13:00of the apparitions
13:01of Ceytun.
13:02It is not only
13:03by the great
13:04profusion of documents
13:05that there is,
13:06but also by the place
13:07in which it is,
13:08a country of musulman,
13:09in which the
13:10society of Ceytun,
13:11the Christian Orthodox
13:12that live there,
13:13is a relatively small
13:15group, between the 5%
13:16and the 7%,
13:17that has a lot of
13:18political and economic power,
13:19that is true,
13:20but that, curiously,
13:21just descended
13:22out of the borders
13:23of Egypt.
13:24It is one of
13:25the greatest
13:26unknown,
13:27even in Cairo,
13:28in Egypt,
13:29very unknown.
13:30Nacho,
13:31would you be
13:32at one of the
13:33most documented
13:34periodistically
13:35of the world?
13:36I think so.
13:37I think so.
13:38I think so.
13:39Apariciones marianas,
13:40something happened,
13:41we can talk about
13:42during these minutes.
13:43No one can't deny anyone,
13:44that something really
13:45strange happened,
13:46because it has no sense
13:47that over three years,
13:48hundreds of thousands
13:49of people
13:50would come to
13:51around this
13:53small church
13:54of Ceytun,
13:55in a subgroup
13:56of Cairo,
13:57that at that time
13:58was a bit more abandoned,
13:59and it is completely
14:00surrounded by
14:01edifices,
14:02even just in front
14:03there is a huge
14:04cathedral of Santa
14:05Maria,
14:06of Ceytun,
14:07and that is a place
14:08that has already
14:09tradition marianas,
14:10because when
14:11this church was built
14:12by an Italian architect,
14:13I think it was in the year 1924,
14:14it was in the year
14:151924,
14:16it was on the place
14:17where the very
14:18Virgin Maria
14:19had reposated,
14:20had descansated,
14:21one of the many places
14:22where it is said
14:23in Egypt
14:24that descansated
14:25the sacred family
14:26in the
14:29valley of Nilo,
14:30and the famous
14:31olivar,
14:32which is what
14:33means
14:34alzaitume
14:35in Arabic,
14:36has always had
14:37that tradition,
14:38very strong
14:39very strong.
14:40Let's see,
14:41documents,
14:42graphics,
14:43there is perhaps
14:44one of the most
14:45suggestions,
14:46because it is seen
14:47a lot,
14:48a lot,
14:49a lot,
14:50a lot,
14:51a lot,
14:52how would you define it?
14:53Of course,
14:54it is a kind of individual,
14:55of being,
14:56whatever,
14:57emerging with a special luminous
14:58and with a kind of globe
15:00also iridescent
15:01in the head.
15:02This photograph
15:03comes very well
15:04to explain
15:05one of the details
15:06that I mentioned
15:07here,
15:08is the proximity
15:09of the people
15:10of the people.
15:11One of the details
15:12that I was interested
15:13the first time
15:14I was in the
15:15Zeitung
15:16was that
15:17it is a very small
15:18church,
15:19about 15 meters
15:20in height,
15:21of the people
15:24around the church.
15:26And this is one
15:27of the most famous
15:28photographs
15:29where the image
15:31should be
15:32to no more
15:33than 30 meters
15:34from this
15:35couple of people
15:36that we have
15:37in the first row
15:38and where we see
15:39a female figure
15:40with an aureola
15:42around the head
15:44where it is also
15:45to see a kind
15:46of hand
15:47as a blessing
15:48as one of the details
15:49that is
15:50repeated in the descriptions
15:51of the witnesses
15:52and it is one
15:53of the most famous photos
15:55of the apparitions
15:56of Zeitung.
15:57Carmen,
15:58all these
15:59types of events
16:00in Zeitung,
16:01apart from the social phenomenon,
16:02they also
16:03see,
16:04as well,
16:05as well,
16:06as well as miracles
16:07and curations.
16:08in the sky
16:09in the sky
16:10in a situation
16:11that we seem
16:12a little bit
16:13of the sky
16:14the Virgin
16:15in the sky
16:16in the sky
16:17in the sky,
16:18people watching it,
16:19people watching it,
16:20people watching it,
16:21people watching it.
16:22also,
16:23from the beginning,
16:24from the first day
16:25Farouk
16:26was one of the
16:27mechanics
16:28that was
16:29very well
16:30in Nagy
16:31reparating
16:32the buses
16:33that there was
16:34next to the church.
16:35He is one of the first
16:36in coming.
16:37He is one of the first
16:39in coming
16:40to the church,
16:41even
16:42he calls the bomberos
16:43because they believe
16:44that it is a woman
16:45that is a point
16:46of suicide,
16:47and in that moment
16:48he had gangrened
16:49one of the phalanges,
16:50he had had an accident
16:51of work,
16:52the next day
16:53he had to go
16:54to the amputation
16:55and just
16:56when he comes,
16:57after seeing
16:58this supposed
16:59apparition Mariana,
17:00when he comes to the hospital,
17:01the medical,
17:02as well as confirm
17:03the informants,
17:04he is very strange
17:05because that gangrenation
17:06has been cured
17:07miraculously.
17:08Another of those nights
17:09between 1968
17:10and 1971,
17:11decenas
17:13of people
17:14immortalize
17:15this other
17:16luminous effect
17:17that even
17:18the luminosity
17:19of the figure
17:20of the entity,
17:21the person
17:22physical,
17:23whatever it is,
17:24has elements
17:25very interesting.
17:26For example,
17:27there is nothing
17:28that is subject to
17:29any kind of element
17:31of the architecture
17:32of the church,
17:33because they always thought
17:34that they could be
17:35people,
17:36I came to think,
17:37people
17:38with a dark
17:40or not dark
17:41dark
17:42to make
17:43creer
17:44and crecer
17:45the faith
17:46in that place
17:47that they were
17:48looking at.
17:49here,
17:50what we see
17:51is a luminous figure
17:52evidente,
17:53that is
17:54completely
17:55from the environment,
17:56that is not
17:57any kind of
17:58that is floating,
17:59and the force of the image,
18:00if this is really
18:01so,
18:02as we saw Nagy,
18:03that is
18:07very common in all
18:08the apparitions
18:09that have been in Egypt.
18:10I insist
18:11a little bit,
18:12Egypt is a country
18:13musulman,
18:14of a Christian
18:15ortodox tradition
18:17very limited,
18:18but the apparitions
18:19of this type
18:20marianas
18:21are very common,
18:22there are other
18:23very famous
18:24in the village of Subra,
18:25another village
18:26of Cairo,
18:27in the 80s,
18:28there were also
18:29apparitions
18:30in Asyut,
18:31in Edfu,
18:32there are different
18:33places,
18:34and the apparitions
18:35are very similar,
18:36that is,
18:37there are
18:38balls of light
18:39that appear
18:40with little
18:41light bulbs,
18:42some of them
18:43are identified
18:44with palomas,
18:45with the Spirit
18:47of the Holy Spirit,
18:48the interpretation
18:49of them
18:50is a little
18:51but they always appear
18:52on the cúpulas
18:53and it is something
18:54that sometimes
18:55has made me think
18:56that perhaps
18:57could be a phenomenon
18:58natural,
18:59but it is true
19:00that there are
19:01that,
19:02from my point of view,
19:03they are
19:04descaradamente
19:05manipulated
19:06to,
19:07perhaps,
19:08to propagate
19:09a little bit more
19:10the history
19:11of the apparitions
19:12that
19:13appeared
19:14even in the
19:15US,
19:16in Europe,
19:17many months
19:18and years
19:19after,
19:20there are even anecdotes
19:21of people
19:22who said
19:23that they were
19:24five hours
19:25because these
19:26are apparitions
19:27all night,
19:28it is amazing,
19:29it is amazing.
19:30but without an hour
19:31fixed.
19:32without an hour fixed.
19:33without an hour fixed.
19:34that was before,
19:35they had a characteristic
19:36that they did not move
19:37the alas,
19:38they were like an effect
19:39of light bulbs,
19:40that normally
19:41were seven
19:42that were in a form
19:43of cruz.
19:44perhaps
19:45the biggest error
19:46for me
19:47in the community
19:48copta
19:49was from a beginning
19:50when
19:51they were
19:52designated
19:53a commission
19:54where the
19:55pope
19:58of
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20:12an
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20:23an
20:24...mucho más definida, el resplandor sólo cubre una parte de la cabeza, parece que hay un manto, sale ese foco de luz, vean muy atentamente, de una de las arquivoltas de las ventanas de este templo...
20:41...e incluso en esta fotografía algo aparece encima de la figura de la supuesta entidad mariana, es lo que parece también una especie de pájaro similando...
20:52...una de las palomas que se señaló en el momento, aunque nunca fueron tan claras como esta, en absoluto, por lo tanto aquí sospechas...
20:59...yo creo que esta fotografía puede ser un montaje hecho a partir de una fotografía real de alguna de las bolas de luz que aparecieron encima de las cúpulas...
21:09...en la que se ha recortado la imagen de la Virgen de Zaitún, que en realidad es una estampita de la milagrosa que podemos encontrar en cualquier...
21:19...bueno, aquí tengo una de estas que he comprado precisamente en Egipto, en la iglesia de Zaitún...
21:24...pero está comprado en esta iglesia, en las apariciones...
21:27...todo el merchandising que tengo aquí encima de la mesa viene de allí y la silueta es exactamente idéntica a la que vemos en la imagen...
21:36...es lo que a mí me hace pensar que, bueno, no vamos a decir si con mala o buena fe, yo creo que esta es una de las fotografías más conocidas...
21:43...pero que desde mi punto de vista es un claro montaje.
21:46Por lo tanto, el enigma está planteado, en el año 68 hasta el año 71, miles de personas presenciaron algo imposible...
21:53...tendríamos que decir, trucaje, pero ¿qué tipo de trucaje?
21:57¿Un holograma para intentar precisamente crear ese movimiento social en pleno corazón del Cairo?
22:03¿Una persona disfrazada, vestida, con ciertos mandos e iluminada de cierta forma?
22:09¿O algo realmente sobrenatural? ¿Os quedáis con alguna hipótesis? ¿Estáis más cercano de alguna de ellas?
22:17A ver, desde mi punto de vista, comparándolo con otras apariciones, como decía antes, que se han producido en Egipto...
22:24...yo me quedaría con un fenómeno natural producido por, no sabemos cómo, algún tipo de fenómeno eléctrico que se produce en las cúpulas de las iglesias.
22:35¿Interpretado luego de forma...?
22:37Interpretado luego de una manera totalmente sesgada, como una aparición mariana, ¿no?
22:43Claro, la pregunta es por qué luego ya no volvió nunca a ocurrir ese fenómeno.
22:46Y está claro que nadie en el barrio de Aceitún pudo olvidar jamás aquellos tres años prodigiosos.
22:52Pero nosotros lo que hemos hecho es intentar observar otros casos, como decía Nacho, que los ha habido, para analizarlo.
22:59El asunto de las apariciones marianas es uno de los más polénicos.
23:01Toca una fibra sensible muy interna y muchas veces, hay que decirlo, desalmados.
23:05O personas con ciertas ideas que son arrastradas sin ningún tipo de prueba científica hacen que las personas se concentren ahí con su mentalidad,
23:13creyendo que están observando el milagro.
23:15Y muchas veces el milagro no tiene nada realmente de excepcional.
23:18Hay un sinfín de factores.
23:19Hay un montón de cosas que ocurren y que son interpretadas así por las personas.
23:22Pero en otros casos, las cámaras fotográficas fueron testigos de algo.
23:27Ahora bien, ¿qué es ese algo?
23:28Podríamos hacer un recordatorio, Carmen, de algunos sucesos muy poco conocidos.
23:33Por ejemplo, nos vamos a Aceitún, a otro lugar parecido, mucho más grandioso, evidentemente en proporciones como la Basílica del Pilar,
23:40ni más ni menos en Zaragoza, donde algunas noches pasaron cosas.
23:43Sí, esto ocurrió en el año 1979.
23:46Le llega el periodista Juan José Benítez, pues por una periodista que se pone en contacto con él,
23:50y le dice que hay una filmación de un grupo de personas que además se dedicaban a intentar el contacto con seres de otros mundos.
23:58Creían también contactar con ovnis.
24:01Entonces iban a las afueras de Zaragoza, intentaban contactar, pero nunca vieron nada.
24:06Hasta que un día uno de ellos parece recibir uno de esos mensajes.
24:09Y les dicen que vayan inmediatamente a su casa.
24:12Se creen que en un principio es porque les ha pasado algo a los hijos que tienen allí todos reunidos en una de las viviendas.
24:18Llegan allí y no pasa nada.
24:19Están reunidos y comentando los pormenores de aquella jornada cuando se dan cuenta a través de la ventana de la casa
24:26del que filma además estas extrañas luminarias, que hay una luz roja que pasa recorriendo el firmamento.
24:34Vuelven a recibir un nuevo mensaje de ese supuesto contacto y dice que en media hora podrán ver más objetos volantes.
24:41Llegados a este punto hay que dejar claro una cosa. Estamos hablando de final de los 70, en España había un movimiento gigantesco en torno al llamado contacto ovni.
24:51Personas hacían experimentos de escritura automática, de concentración y creían ellos recibir mensajes que a veces daban fecha y hora.
24:59Iban allí y pasaban cosas, iban con sus cámaras fotográficas.
25:02Estamos en ese ambiente, en esa Zaragoza de esos años y lo que se fotografía, entre otras cosas, es esto, muy cerca de la Basílica del Pilar.
25:08Justo encima de ella, con una cámara super 8, todas las personas que están allí reunidas ven durante además más de media hora como 4 o 5 objetos de diferentes colores,
25:19eran amarillentos, rojizos, anaranjados, iban cambiando, pues se van paseando por los cielos de Zaragoza de aquella época.
25:26Así que esa noche se repite tres veces ese supuesto contacto y en todas ellas pueden ver estas luces.
25:33Incluso vamos a ver algunas que nos recuerdan a Santa María de Ceitún porque aparece la estructura de la propia Basílica, de la propia Iglesia
25:41y una serie de flasazos sorprendentes también muy cerca de algunas zonas que podrían ser similares a las cúpulas en el caso de esa aparición anterior que hemos analizado.
25:52Aquí sí que se ve que son rastros de luz también muy poderosa que cruzan la noche, que reflectan con gran poder energético
26:00y que dejaron muy impresionadas a estas personas en Zaragoza de un grupo de contacto.
26:04Vamos a seguir hablando de fotografía fija precisamente porque si hay un lugar célebre y polémico hay que decirlo y que además siempre es noticia,
26:11pues por ciertos conflictos son las apariciones de Prado Nuevo en el Escorial.
26:14Allí muchas personas se acercan, lo hemos vivido, analizando ese fenómeno, hablando de fotografías misteriosas que muchas veces simplemente son efectos ópticos,
26:22eso sí, manejados sutilmente para que la gente se exalte.
26:26Sí que hay algunas fotografías que han llegado aquí, a Cuarto Milenio, recibidas por nuestros televidentes, algunas son curiosísimas,
26:35tienen que tener una explicación, digo yo, pero curiosas son. Por ejemplo, Carmen...
26:38Por ejemplo, esta que estamos viendo, José Manuel González, uno de nuestros televidentes, nos enviaba esta curiosa imagen y muchas más que nos envió además de Prado Nuevo, del Escorial,
26:47siempre realizadas allí y siempre con fenómenos marianos o místicos, incluso en algunas ocasiones hasta salen imágenes de lo que son las caras de la Virgen,
26:56que luego una vez analizadas vemos simplemente que es el carrete que se ha juntado una fotografía con otra, y eso lo atribuyen a un milagro.
27:04En este caso no podemos decir que es porque estamos viendo a alguien con una especie de...
27:08Pero parece físico.
27:09Claro, parece físico y es físico. Según los análisis de Guillermo León, es alguien o algo, una estatua tapada o alguien con esta vestimenta que estaba en el lugar,
27:19además parece que rezando a esa Virgen que tienen ahí.
27:22Hay más fotos en el Escorial, un lugar de poder, un lugar donde pasan cosas y un lugar donde...
27:27Hay fotos luminosas como esta. Vemos muchos fenómenos luminosos que parece, por ejemplo, alabanza del sol, semejantes a la que ocurrió en Fátima.
27:36En este caso estaban un poco asustados porque también veían algo demoníaco en esa figura justamente que está boca abajo,
27:42veían como una especie de diablo, entonces ese contraste del bien y el mal en los lugares donde presuntamente se aparece la Virgen.
27:50Pero ese demonio colgante casi como una gargola boca abajo tendría también cierta explicación, ¿o no?
27:55Sí, en este caso tiene una explicación muy lógica, que además suele ser muy normal, que no se entera la gente cuando hacen la fotografía.
28:04Era simplemente un efecto que ha hecho, muchas veces llevamos la cámara colgando, pues la correa de la cámara.
28:13Pero en cierto contexto, donde están habiendo emociones muy fuertes, todo es interpretado bajo ese prisma de lo religioso, en este caso la luz y las tinieblas.
28:22Vamos con más fotos, Carmen.
28:23Aquí vemos de nuevo, esta es muy curiosa, ya que vemos a la señora haciéndose la fotografía, pero sí que es cierto que ha aparecido una imagen virginal en este caso.
28:35De nuevo recurrimos a lo mismo, muchas veces hay una superposición en los carretes, en los negativos, que hace que se formen estas curiosas imágenes.
28:44Y si encima es tomada en un lugar donde supuestamente se aparece la Virgen, pues más para atribuirlo al milagro.
28:50¿Y en otros países?
28:51Hay otros países que sí, que también se han dado de más curiosas imágenes.
28:55En el Xacobeo, por ejemplo, nos escribió una amiga, fue al Vaticano, y allí captó una de las imágenes marianas, entre comillas, más curiosas que nosotros nos hemos encontrado.
29:05Porque realmente tenía que ser algo o alguien que estaba ahí.
29:09No sabemos si una estatua, por esa mano tal vez un poco rígida, pero tampoco pintaba nada una estatua ahí en medio cuando vemos que es precisamente donde están las sillas del público.
29:20Esa sería una de las imágenes que no podríamos, pues la verdad, sin estar allí ese mismo día y viendo que era, decir ni descartar que es extraña.
29:30Ahí desde luego todos pensamos en un estatua, en una figura, pero hay que decir que los análisis informáticos no han podido, como en otros muchos casos sí lo han hecho, determinar qué es eso.
29:39En Nueva Zelanda, por ejemplo, aparecieron imágenes más etéreas.
29:42Aquí lo vemos, están haciendo una restauración en el altar mayor y de repente, además, estaba el restaurador fotografiando para ver cómo iba quedando la obra.
29:53Y dice que en ningún momento vio que hubiera nada, ni por supuesto luminoso, ni por supuesto ninguna figura ahí abajo, precisamente porque las habían retirado todas para que no sufriera ningún daño.
30:04Y en este caso también es curiosa, pues esa imagen que a lo mejor ha podido ser debida a las luces y las sombras que, pues con el efecto de las luces y de las velas hacen en algunas iglesias.
30:15Desde luego el mundo de las apariciones marianas es muy complejo, muy delicado.
30:18Ha habido grandes fraudes y grandes historias que al final no hemos sabido qué son.
30:23Haciendo un recorrido, por algunos otros casos, nos damos cuenta, quizás sería el resumen, de la grandiosidad de lo ocurrido en Santa María de Ceitún, entre los años 68 y 71.
30:30No hablamos de un testigo espontáneo, hablamos de miles de personas yendo allí de noche viendo eso.
30:35¿Qué era? Tal vez un efecto natural, eléctrico, inexplicable, quizá para nosotros, pero que en un futuro conozcamos, como decía Nacho Ares.
30:42Lo cierto es que la vida de ese barrio cambió para siempre y que muchas personas sintieron cosas y fotografiaron elementos que, desde luego, Nacho, en resumen, son mucho más espectaculares, yo creo, que todas las demás que se han obtenido en el mundo.
30:52Desde luego, yo creo que desde el punto de vista documental, sea lo que sean las apariciones de la Ceitún, es de primera plana y quizás no solamente por el apego que tengo a Egipto, para mí uno de los fenómenos misteriosos más grandes del mundo, iba a decir faraónico, del mundo egipcio.
31:11El mundo egipcio, un país que siempre tiene tanto por investigar, nos quedamos habitualmente y no salimos, dicho sea con toda simpatía, de la máscara funerera de Tutankamón o de las pirámides, hay mucho más en Egipto.
31:23En este caso, en un humilde barrio, pasó esto y de repente, tal y como vino el misterio, se marchó aparentemente.
31:41Gracias.
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