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00:00Next, Washington, D.C. has been overtaken by violent gangs, bloodthirsty criminals and drugged out maniacs.
00:07That's according to the U.S. president.
00:10Donald Trump says he's placing the city under direct federal control and deploying 800 National Guard troops there
00:17as he vows to tackle violent crime, which statistics show has actually fallen.
00:22Trump claims that Washington, D.C. performs poorly on safety relative to the capitals of Iraq, Brazil and Colombia.
00:31He also says his administration has begun removing homeless encampments.
00:35Let's hear a little of what he had to say.
00:38Our capital city has been overtaken by violent gangs and bloodthirsty criminals, roving mobs of wild youth,
00:45drugged out maniacs and homeless people.
00:48And we're not going to let it happen anymore.
00:50We're not going to take it.
00:51We have other cities also that are bad, very bad.
00:54You look at Chicago, how bad it is.
00:57You look at Los Angeles, how bad it is.
01:00And this will go further.
01:02We're starting very strongly with D.C. and we're going to clean it up real quick.
01:07The president has used his social media and White House megaphones to message that his administration is tough on crime,
01:14yet his ability to shape policy might be limited outside Washington,
01:18which has a unique status as a congressionally established federal district.
01:23Well, for more, we're joined now by legal analyst and former prosecutor Eric Lisanne.
01:28Eric, thanks so much for being with us on the program.
01:31We heard some very strong words from Donald Trump during throughout that lengthy press briefing.
01:38He's suggesting Washington is essentially one of the most dangerous cities on the planet.
01:44Has there actually been a spike in violent crime there?
01:47And if not, as statistics appear to suggest, why is Trump saying all of this?
01:55He's saying it for political gain.
01:57Thank you, by the way, for having me on.
01:59Trump has always sought to do things for the appearance of what they might convey to his wider audience,
02:08specifically to a wider base that doesn't live or have familiarity with the city of Washington, D.C.,
02:15or many of these other large cities.
02:17So this is consistent with that type of messaging,
02:20and it's consistent with his type of desire to show that he's a strong man and that only he can fix it.
02:26Washington, D.C., presents a somewhat unique situation because, as you mentioned,
02:33in the Constitution of the United States, it is singled out as a federal district,
02:39or at least a portion of it could be singled out as a federal district.
02:43And there's some ambiguity in exactly what the limits of congressional power are
02:49and what would need to be done by amending the Constitution and things like this.
02:53But that leaves a lot of gray areas, and that's why Trump is seemingly using it first as a laboratory
03:00to what he might do in other cities where his power might be a little bit less clear-cut.
03:06We saw some of this in Los Angeles last month,
03:09and now we're seeing it taken, apparently, to another level right now.
03:14Yeah, because as you say, it's not the first time that Trump has been critical of Democratic-run city administrations.
03:20Is that also what this is really about?
03:22You know, he's also talking about taking this plan to the streets of New York and Chicago.
03:28It absolutely seems to be an attack on Democratic-run cities
03:32and a way for him to sort of exercise and flex his newfound authority.
03:39And so far, the city leaders in Washington, D.C., at least, have been very accommodating to him on that.
03:46We'll have to see what happens in other cities and in other states where, of course,
03:51California, Gavin Newsom, in contrast, has been very much opposed and doing everything he can to oppose it.
03:59I don't know if that's going to be a change in the situation here in Washington, D.C.,
04:05where the city leaders have been compliant up until now.
04:08But it has every earmark or hallmark of an attempt to impose political authority
04:17on a district or an area where he needs to assert his power
04:24because he's not accepted as legitimate or not popularly supported.
04:30And as you say, Eric, these kind of threats that we're seeing coming from Donald Trump,
04:34they're highlighting how Washington, D.C.'s relationship with the federal government
04:38actually restricts its autonomy.
04:41So talk to us a little bit more for viewers perhaps outside the United States
04:44about what makes the city so unique and why has it become such a target for Republicans?
04:51Yes, it has a very unique and complex relationship.
04:54It starts with the description of it in the Constitution itself,
04:58which says that it shall be a federal district.
05:01And as far as that goes, it makes a certain amount of sense.
05:05But for that reason, it was never part of a state,
05:07as it would seem to be an area where only the government would be the business.
05:14Over time, of course, that has changed.
05:16There's over 700,000 people that live in the city proper right now,
05:21and it's bigger than some states.
05:22And it contributes to the federal FISC more money than most states,
05:27certainly more money per capita.
05:29So much has obviously changed necessarily since the Constitution was written.
05:35But because of that language, the federal government up until 1973
05:39governed the city directly.
05:42And what we now call today home rule was only established in 1973,
05:47but that still gives Congress the power to oversee and do very many things.
05:53The other side of that coin is that because D.C. isn't a state,
05:57it doesn't have any real representation in the federal legislature.
06:02So it has become, to many that live there,
06:05the embodiment of the revolutionary slogan,
06:09no taxation without representation,
06:11in that it has extensive taxation and it has no representation.
06:16The Home Rule Act of 1973 was designed to address that,
06:21and it has not been without some problems.
06:24But there has been since then a clear trend to devolve upon the city
06:30more powers to govern itself.
06:32And in many ways, it was largely self-governing up until now.
06:36But Trump is now in one fell swoop seeking to reverse that,
06:41and in a very draconian way with federal law enforcement
06:44that is not at all trained for this kind of city policing function.
06:49So there is an enormous potential for not just risk,
06:53but actual danger to city residents because of this
06:56that did not exist before.
06:59Yeah, and you mentioned all the grey areas that arise from this.
07:02The deployment of these National Guard troops to L.A.,
07:05that became the subject of a legal battle,
07:08hasn't quite yet played out in the courts.
07:09So is this actually lawful, what Donald Trump is announcing today?
07:15I think arguably it is not lawful
07:17because the stated rationale for this
07:23does not match up with the reality on the ground.
07:26And while some deference has to be given,
07:29and the courts are falling all over themselves
07:31to give that deference to presidential findings
07:34and assertions of what is or isn't a national emergency
07:39or a local emergency
07:41that would justify this sort of deployment of the National Guard.
07:46But there is here a contrast
07:49that I think a court could be cognizant of
07:52and say this does not justify the extreme measures
07:55that are being put into place here.
07:57But note that he's not actually yet involving the military itself.
08:02The National Guard has a sort of hybrid character,
08:06so it falls outside of other legislation
08:09such as the Posse Comitatus Act.
08:12But it nonetheless is really pushing the limits,
08:15particularly as Trump is also in a very radical move
08:19stating that he is going to assert direct authority
08:22over the local police.
08:24He's already appointed a federal official to do that.
08:27I think this is testing very much the limits of his power,
08:31at least, if not constitutionally,
08:34at least under the Home Rule Act of 1973.
08:38So now we're going to be back into the courts.
08:40I'm almost certain to see how much of this
08:44is really going to be permitted by those courts.
08:47Eric, we'll have to leave it there for now.
08:49Thanks so much for being with us, though.
08:50That is legal analyst and former U.S. prosecutor,
08:53Eric Lisanne.
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