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00:00:00Hey everybody, welcome to episode 12 of Tough Bumps.

00:00:04I am Matt Conderton, and of course joining me all the way from the great state of Iowa

00:00:08is Eric Pilcher.

00:00:09Hello, Eric.

00:00:10Hello, Matt.

00:00:11I'm actually turning my continual glucose monitor to silence.

00:00:16Oh, so yeah, because, you know, this subject might get me, might cause my blood sugar to

00:00:23go up.

00:00:24Also, too, when you're doing a podcast, there's nothing worse than being interrupted by continual

00:00:28glucose.

00:00:30My grandfather used to say that.

00:00:32Really?

00:00:33Yeah, he's very wise.

00:00:34Did your grandfather host a podcast?

00:00:37I don't think so.

00:00:38But he had just unimaginable foresight and could really...

00:00:43Oh, in the future.

00:00:45Yes.

00:00:46Yes, he knew.

00:00:47Well, maybe the ghost of Wilford Brimley contacted him and said that there will be future innovations

00:00:54in the world of Betis.

00:00:56Diabetes.

00:00:58Yes.

00:00:58Um, yes.

00:01:00Wilford Brimley is like the diabetes Jesus.

00:01:03Yes, and one of the great mustaches in history.

00:01:07Yes.

00:01:07And the star of, uh, John Carpenter's biggest studio movie hit, Cocoon.

00:01:17Oh, that's right.

00:01:18I've never actually seen Cocoon.

00:01:20Um.

00:01:21Didn't appeal to me.

00:01:22This never saw it.

00:01:22It's, it's, it's, I, I'm glad because it gave John Carpenter, as you can see the poster

00:01:30in the background signed by John Carpenter.

00:01:32Yeah.

00:01:33Um, John Carpenter is flowers.

00:01:36Yes.

00:01:37And, you know, but he, John Carpenter has done far better movies.

00:01:43Yeah, absolutely.

00:01:44Um, far, far better on far less of a budget.

00:01:49So.

00:01:50Yeah.

00:01:51Just the way that's like when you tell people that Sam Peckinpah's highest grossing film

00:01:56ever is Convoy.

00:02:00Really?

00:02:01Yes, it is.

00:02:01Oh, wow.

00:02:02Not Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia.

00:02:05Not The Wild Bunch.

00:02:07Major Dundee.

00:02:08Not cinematic classics.

00:02:10No, it's a cinematic shit pile that is Convoy.

00:02:15Wow.

00:02:16Boy.

00:02:17So we should mention too, the date is, uh, the date that we're doing this.

00:02:20So we're streaming live.

00:02:21Of course, most people will listen to the podcast afterward, but if you do happen to

00:02:25be joining us live, it is, uh, Sunday, July 27, 2025.

00:02:29I think it's obvious what the, uh, we're kind of skipping the undercard this week and

00:02:34we're getting right to the main event because there's one, one big thing.

00:02:38Yeah.

00:02:38This is a major news story, a global news story.

00:02:42Transcends, uh, professional wrestling really.

00:02:45Yeah.

00:02:45Like when, when, when a professional athlete dies in its top story on major news outlets,

00:02:54it's, it's crossed that line.

00:02:57Sure.

00:02:58Well, Hulk Hogan, uh, I mean, one, arguably one of the most famous people in the world.

00:03:03Like, you know, you, you, you could, uh, you could show a picture of Hulk Hogan to somebody,

00:03:09you know, on any continent in almost any country and they would know it's Hulk Hogan.

00:03:13You know what I mean?

00:03:14Yes.

00:03:15Yeah.

00:03:15Um, and you know, good, bad, or indifferent, he was a major player in the boom of professional

00:03:28wrestling.

00:03:28And I say major player because you, people say he's solely responsible.

00:03:34And as I've said on this podcast, that's horribly inaccurate because Hogan was just an avatar

00:03:43in this without Vince's vision, without Vince's money, there's, there isn't a Hulk Hogan.

00:03:52I mean, there, there might've been a Hulk Hogan sticking around in the, in the AWA, but there

00:03:57wouldn't have been the boom.

00:03:59Right.

00:03:59It was, there wouldn't have been the animated series.

00:04:02There wouldn't have been the mood, the horrible, God awful movies that came out there.

00:04:07There, I mean, there, there wouldn't have been the, there wouldn't have been a sports

00:04:12illustrated cover.

00:04:13There wouldn't have been the parents fighting over the LJ and Hulk Hogan figure at your local

00:04:18Kmart.

00:04:19Mm-hmm.

00:04:20It would have been none of that.

00:04:23So yeah, you Hulk Hogan could have stayed in the AWA.

00:04:29And I've said this Hulk Hogan could have had a career still without Vince, but Vince wouldn't

00:04:35have had a career without Vince taking the risks Vince took.

00:04:40Mm-hmm.

00:04:41And Vince had far more to lose in this than Hulk did.

00:04:44Mm-hmm.

00:04:45Right.

00:04:46If WrestleMania had failed, that would have been the end.

00:04:49That would have been the end.

00:04:50Yep.

00:04:50And I'm sure Hogan could have crawled on hands and knees back to Vern.

00:04:56Mm-hmm.

00:04:58Um, or even he could have went down to, uh, Crockett promotions.

00:05:05Mm-hmm.

00:05:06Um, I, I get, I, I don't know if that would have worked out, uh, for him.

00:05:11Uh, Crockett was not, certainly not a federation where the big larger than life guys succeeded.

00:05:22I mean, Crockett had, you know.

00:05:25I thought it was where the big boys play.

00:05:27No?

00:05:27Well, no, that's after Turner took over for Crockett.

00:05:31That's right.

00:05:32Crockett was, you know, your, your champ was Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Sting.

00:05:39I mean, I think the biggest powerhouse they had, uh, under the Crockett banner was probably

00:05:46Luger.

00:05:47Mm-hmm.

00:05:47Um, and Luger, I would say, had something Hogan didn't, Luger could actually work.

00:05:56I'm gonna, okay, this might, this might be our first, uh, uh, disagreement in this conversation.

00:06:01And we might have a few, which will be good.

00:06:02Well, I think we will.

00:06:04Good for the show.

00:06:05So, I'm, I'm gonna tell you just a quick anecdote.

00:06:07So, when I was in high school, uh, the first job I ever had was at Sears.

00:06:11Remember Sears?

00:06:12I'm showing my age a little bit.

00:06:13But, um, Sears.

00:06:15Uh, so, I worked at Sears at the Steeplegate Mall in Concord, New Hampshire.

00:06:21And there was this guy there.

00:06:22I was in school.

00:06:23There was this guy there named Mark.

00:06:24Mark Perry.

00:06:26I, I haven't kept in touch with him.

00:06:27I have no idea what happened to him.

00:06:29Hard to find him, too, because Mark Perry is obviously a very common name.

00:06:32But he was.

00:06:32I would think so.

00:06:33Yeah, yeah.

00:06:34But he was, you know, he was older than I was.

00:06:36He was probably in his 30s.

00:06:38He was one of the managers there.

00:06:39And he and I were having a conversation one day.

00:06:41And he, and he found out that I liked professional wrestling.

00:06:44And it turned out he was also a lifelong fan.

00:06:47He'd been watching it, you know, since he was a kid.

00:06:51And he said something to me that was very interesting.

00:06:52So, we were talking about Hulk Hogan one day.

00:06:54And I said to him, you know, I think Hogan's kind of boring.

00:06:58At least as far as his matches.

00:06:59You see one Hogan match, you kind of see him all.

00:07:01And he doesn't really do much.

00:07:02A lot of kicking, punching, body slam.

00:07:05You know, it's not that interesting to me.

00:07:07Mark said to me.

00:07:09He said, and keep in mind, this is before we had YouTube.

00:07:13Now you can just go on YouTube and find almost anything.

00:07:16But this was back in the days where the only way to see this stuff

00:07:19that you couldn't just see on television was tape trading.

00:07:24And you've even told me you used to do that, right?

00:07:26Used to trade tapes.

00:07:27I never got into that part of it.

00:07:29But Mark told me at the time, because again, this was pre-YouTube.

00:07:33He said, if you ever get a chance to get your hands on a tape

00:07:38of some of Hulk Hogan's matches from Japan,

00:07:41it might change the way you feel about him and what he could do in the ring.

00:07:45So I just kind of filed that away in the back of my mind, I guess.

00:07:48Because then years and years later, sorry about that.

00:07:53I forgot to mute my phone.

00:07:55Years and years later, I'm sitting at the computer one day.

00:07:58And this memory just pops into my brain at random of Mark Perry telling me,

00:08:04hey, if you get a chance to see some of Hogan's matches from Japan,

00:08:08you might see him a little bit differently.

00:08:10So I just went on YouTube, because at this point we had YouTube,

00:08:13and I just type in Hulk Hogan Japan, and I found a bunch of matches.

00:08:18And Mark was right.

00:08:21Like Hogan, and this is where I disagree with you, Hogan could work.

00:08:24Okay, and I'm sorry to cut you off.

00:08:28Yes, his Japan matches, yes, he worked.

00:08:31But again, what's the majority of his work?

00:08:35If you're comparing a body of work here,

00:08:38I compared him to Lex Luger, because I think in the 80s,

00:08:42that was probably the fairest comparison you could do.

00:08:45Sure.

00:08:50Luger did it.

00:08:52In the 80s, would you think Hulk Hogan could go hold for hold?

00:08:58Not hold for hold, obviously, but, you know,

00:09:02not have to be completely carried in a match with Ric Flair.

00:09:06Because Luger didn't have to be completely carried by Flair.

00:09:09I think Hogan, at that point in the 80s,

00:09:16would have had to be carried by Flair.

00:09:18Because he was so ingrained with the way he did things in WWE.

00:09:26And I think, to a degree, that's why their house show matches

00:09:29went over like a broken sewer pipe.

00:09:34You...

00:09:35Because you...

00:09:38If you don't stay in that mode

00:09:40of working like Hogan worked in Japan,

00:09:44you lose it.

00:09:47Sure.

00:09:47You can't do it anymore.

00:09:50Yeah.

00:09:50I mean, and so, yeah, I don't...

00:09:55Hogan worked in Japan.

00:09:57Yeah.

00:09:57But at the same time,

00:09:59you look at the dance partners he had in Japan, too.

00:10:02Oh, sure.

00:10:03But he was...

00:10:04That could really mask any shortcomings he had.

00:10:07But I just remember...

00:10:08Like, I remember seeing him, you know,

00:10:10throwing enziguris and doing all kinds of stuff.

00:10:15Even just variations of suplexes

00:10:17that I never saw him do growing up on U.S. television.

00:10:22Like, he was...

00:10:23He was pretty...

00:10:24Don't get me wrong.

00:10:25He wasn't Luthez.

00:10:26But, honestly,

00:10:28I was genuinely impressed

00:10:30with what I saw.

00:10:31And I said,

00:10:32wow, Mark was right.

00:10:33I mean, he was holding his own in there.

00:10:35He was impressive in Japan,

00:10:37which I think, you know,

00:10:40American audiences

00:10:41have every right

00:10:43to feel kind of shortchanged.

00:10:45Yeah.

00:10:46When you look at what he could do in Japan.

00:10:49Yeah.

00:10:49And it is very forgotten

00:10:51what he did in Japan.

00:10:52It's always...

00:10:53It's also very forgotten

00:10:55what he did in the AWA.

00:10:57He worked in the AWA.

00:10:59That's true.

00:11:00Because you had to work in the AWA.

00:11:02That's true, yeah.

00:11:03You couldn't just...

00:11:04You couldn't just coast under Vern Gagne.

00:11:08Right.

00:11:09Right.

00:11:10Vern would have kicked your ass if you did.

00:11:12Yeah.

00:11:13You would have been put in the ring

00:11:15with Crusher Khrushchev

00:11:17or Mad Dog Vashon

00:11:21in just...

00:11:22Yeah.

00:11:24Or Henny.

00:11:25Vern would have gotten in the ring

00:11:26and stretched you.

00:11:27Oh, yeah.

00:11:28Yeah.

00:11:28Henny, Nick Bockwinkle.

00:11:30Yeah.

00:11:31Larry Zbysko.

00:11:32Guys that had no problem

00:11:34turning the match into a shoot

00:11:36if they absolutely had to.

00:11:39Yeah.

00:11:40Oh, yeah.

00:11:41And I guess...

00:11:42And I've never heard it really explained,

00:11:46but I guess just Vince wanted him

00:11:49to just do the big moves.

00:11:50And I guess Vince was right

00:11:52because obviously it worked

00:11:53in terms of drawing money

00:11:55and building the empire

00:11:56that became the WWF.

00:11:59But we did get shortchanged.

00:12:02What you said,

00:12:02that was a good way of putting it.

00:12:04We did get shortchanged

00:12:05because Hogan could have given us more.

00:12:07Because he could have, certainly.

00:12:09And he really could have shown more.

00:12:13And, you know,

00:12:16it would have been better for him

00:12:19because then you could have had

00:12:20those long programs

00:12:22with guys like Kurt Henning,

00:12:25Rick Rude,

00:12:26guys that could work in the ring.

00:12:27The problem is,

00:12:28is everyone's like,

00:12:29well, why didn't they have these feuds?

00:12:30Why didn't they have this?

00:12:31And I'm sure there was

00:12:32some backstage politicking going on.

00:12:35Sure.

00:12:35Why they didn't have them.

00:12:37But I think in the flip side,

00:12:40you look at it as,

00:12:42and Vince probably felt,

00:12:44Vince, I would guess,

00:12:46felt this way,

00:12:47that you would expose Hogan.

00:12:49Do you think so?

00:12:50Do you think that's how he looked at it?

00:12:51Or was it just like,

00:12:52or was it just keep it simple?

00:12:55I think in Vince's,

00:12:56that's it.

00:12:57Because if you then put Hogan

00:12:59in these matches

00:13:01with these legit,

00:13:03with these legit technicians,

00:13:07you then,

00:13:10fans would then be programmed

00:13:12to want him to be

00:13:15in these technical showdowns

00:13:17with guys like

00:13:18Ultimate Warrior,

00:13:20Sid Justice,

00:13:22on down the line.

00:13:26And that's not there.

00:13:28So then that becomes,

00:13:30I see what you're saying.

00:13:32Because then you,

00:13:33you expose,

00:13:34you not just expose Hogan,

00:13:36you expose

00:13:36who's supposed to be

00:13:38this chief villain

00:13:39that could really take Hogan out.

00:13:42It's,

00:13:42what if you,

00:13:43Yeah,

00:13:44I see what you're saying.

00:13:45What if you put

00:13:46Superman up against

00:13:48Lex Luthor

00:13:49in a Superman movie,

00:13:50and all Lex Luthor had

00:13:52was a bottle rocket?

00:13:54Yeah.

00:13:54No one's going to buy it.

00:13:58You're not going to want

00:13:59to see that.

00:14:00Right.

00:14:01So,

00:14:03Yeah,

00:14:04I haven't thought of it

00:14:05quite that way.

00:14:05That's interesting,

00:14:06though.

00:14:06I think,

00:14:06I think you're on to something.

00:14:07That does make sense.

00:14:08if you then,

00:14:10if you put Hogan

00:14:11with Roode

00:14:12in an extended program,

00:14:15I'm,

00:14:15again,

00:14:17almost,

00:14:18almost certain

00:14:19there was politicking

00:14:20involved

00:14:21with that,

00:14:22with Roode

00:14:23and Henning both.

00:14:25Um,

00:14:25because they were

00:14:26AWA guys,

00:14:28and I'm

00:14:29sure they had

00:14:30an axe to grind

00:14:31with Hulk

00:14:32over the way he left,

00:14:33over the way he left

00:14:35the AWA.

00:14:36They did have matches

00:14:37with him,

00:14:38though,

00:14:38just not extended programs.

00:14:39I mean,

00:14:39I remember Henning

00:14:40versus Hogan

00:14:41on Saturday Night's

00:14:43Main Event,

00:14:43which,

00:14:43from what I recall,

00:14:44was a really good match.

00:14:46Yeah,

00:14:46but,

00:14:47again,

00:14:47you can't do that

00:14:48too often.

00:14:49Right.

00:14:50Because,

00:14:50at this point,

00:14:51you're,

00:14:51you're going to expose

00:14:53great weight.

00:14:55I just thought of this.

00:14:55We could do,

00:14:56look at this,

00:14:57Goldberg versus Regal.

00:15:00Yeah.

00:15:01You're going,

00:15:01I mean,

00:15:02because,

00:15:03again,

00:15:03I go back to my main point.

00:15:04If you,

00:15:05if you're a wrestler,

00:15:06and you work a certain style

00:15:08for so long,

00:15:09you can't go back

00:15:10to a way you worked

00:15:11five,

00:15:12ten years earlier.

00:15:14Well,

00:15:14you probably,

00:15:15it probably depends.

00:15:17I mean,

00:15:17I don't know,

00:15:18I don't know that that's

00:15:19the truth for everybody.

00:15:20I'm sure for some people

00:15:21that is,

00:15:22but I'm sure,

00:15:22I'm sure there's some people

00:15:23who are just so good

00:15:24at what they do

00:15:25that they probably

00:15:26could go back

00:15:26if they had to,

00:15:27you know what I mean?

00:15:28It probably becomes like,

00:15:29like,

00:15:29I mean,

00:15:30muscle memory has to play

00:15:31a role in this,

00:15:31and I'm sure it's like,

00:15:32I ride a bike.

00:15:34Hogan worked,

00:15:35Japan sporadically.

00:15:37He wasn't a consistent

00:15:39performer in Japan.

00:15:43So,

00:15:44I mean,

00:15:45I would say probably

00:15:46for every three

00:15:48powerhouse matches

00:15:49he worked,

00:15:50he worked one

00:15:51scientific match.

00:15:52Yeah.

00:15:53That's not a good ratio

00:15:55for muscle memory.

00:15:57Yeah,

00:15:58true.

00:15:58That's true.

00:15:59So,

00:16:00you,

00:16:00yeah,

00:16:01I,

00:16:02I,

00:16:02we did get shortchanged,

00:16:04and,

00:16:05you know,

00:16:06it could have,

00:16:07now that we,

00:16:08now that I think about it,

00:16:09might have tied into Hogan

00:16:10not wanting to do that program

00:16:13or that match with Brett.

00:16:15Hmm.

00:16:17Yeah.

00:16:18Cause,

00:16:19then you're like,

00:16:20okay,

00:16:20I'm out of the company,

00:16:22I just had this match,

00:16:25dirt sheets are becoming big,

00:16:28um,

00:16:29people are gonna rip on this,

00:16:31I hurt my value,

00:16:32not,

00:16:33not just if I do decide

00:16:34to go to WCW,

00:16:36but,

00:16:37I hurt my value

00:16:39if I decide

00:16:42to do a movie.

00:16:45Right.

00:16:45I'm not the immortal

00:16:46anymore.

00:16:47I,

00:16:48yeah,

00:16:49this is a match

00:16:50on pay-per-view,

00:16:51a major event,

00:16:53SummerSlam.

00:16:54Um,

00:16:55I forgot to-

00:16:56No,

00:16:56King of the Ring,

00:16:56King of the Ring.

00:16:57It was the first ever

00:16:58King of the Ring

00:16:58when they were supposed

00:16:59to do it.

00:17:00Oh,

00:17:00okay,

00:17:00okay.

00:17:02I meant to put that picture

00:17:03up of,

00:17:03uh,

00:17:03of Hulk at the beginning

00:17:04and I forgot to,

00:17:05but,

00:17:06but there he is,

00:17:07that's kind of the classic.

00:17:08I think that's

00:17:08probably the most

00:17:09seen picture

00:17:11of Hulk Hogan.

00:17:12Yes.

00:17:13Uh,

00:17:14the,

00:17:14the kind of the,

00:17:14the most,

00:17:15uh,

00:17:15iconic photos.

00:17:17Um,

00:17:17we don't need to leave

00:17:18it up there the whole time,

00:17:18but I just,

00:17:19I thought it looked cool.

00:17:20It actually looks cool

00:17:21with the tough bumps,

00:17:22the total coincidence,

00:17:23total coincidence,

00:17:24by the way,

00:17:24but the tough bumps,

00:17:25uh,

00:17:26red and yellow,

00:17:27actually,

00:17:27maybe we'll get,

00:17:28just go back to it for,

00:17:29for a moment there.

00:17:29Leave him up.

00:17:31Cause that,

00:17:31that does look,

00:17:32uh,

00:17:32oh,

00:17:32there we go.

00:17:33Yeah,

00:17:33that does,

00:17:34that does look pretty cool

00:17:35against the,

00:17:36uh,

00:17:36against the tough bumps logo

00:17:37as a backdrop,

00:17:38the red and yellow

00:17:39tough bumps logo.

00:17:40Um,

00:17:41yeah,

00:17:42so we should,

00:17:44um,

00:17:46huh?

00:17:47Should we get to the,

00:17:48let's get to the hard part

00:17:49of this boy.

00:17:52My,

00:17:53my thoughts and well wishes

00:17:54go to,

00:17:55to Terry,

00:17:57Jean Balea's friends

00:17:58and family.

00:17:59Yeah.

00:18:01Yeah.

00:18:01I didn't know his middle name

00:18:03was Jean.

00:18:03Um,

00:18:04yeah,

00:18:06that's it.

00:18:07Anything else?

00:18:08Anything else you want to say?

00:18:09I mean,

00:18:10it's so hard.

00:18:14It's very hard.

00:18:15Cause you know what?

00:18:18Okay.

00:18:19Hulk Hogan was a landmark figure

00:18:23in the history of professional wrestling,

00:18:26uh,

00:18:27pioneer in professional wrestling,

00:18:30a groundbreaking figure.

00:18:35Professional wrestling

00:18:36probably wouldn't be where it's at

00:18:38without him.

00:18:39Mm-hmm.

00:18:40Agreed.

00:18:41Terry Balea

00:18:41is a piece of shit human being

00:18:44and was a piece of shit human being.

00:18:46And that's

00:18:48where there's the separation.

00:18:52Look,

00:18:53I have been so dismayed

00:18:55over the last few days

00:18:57with

00:18:59the things I have read

00:19:01and the things

00:19:02that I have heard.

00:19:04I,

00:19:04I would actually like to share with you,

00:19:06Matt.

00:19:06This is a surprise.

00:19:07I didn't even prepare you

00:19:09for this.

00:19:11No,

00:19:11no.

00:19:12I,

00:19:12and I,

00:19:12I didn't want to know.

00:19:13I prefer to be surprised.

00:19:15What I was going to share

00:19:17with you.

00:19:18Um,

00:19:19if you want,

00:19:19I can send you a screenshot of this

00:19:21cause I actually did

00:19:22screenshot it.

00:19:24Okay.

00:19:25Are you sending it via messenger?

00:19:27Yeah.

00:19:28Um,

00:19:28you will have to black out her name

00:19:30because I don't think

00:19:31either of us believe in doxing.

00:19:32This was on threads.

00:19:34A response to me

00:19:36when I,

00:19:38when someone said

00:19:40Hogan used the N word

00:19:43one time

00:19:44and just because he did

00:19:46does not make him a racist.

00:19:48Yes,

00:19:49it does.

00:19:50And he used it more than one time.

00:19:53He used it seven times

00:19:54in a three minute rant.

00:19:56Even if that supposedly

00:19:57made him a racist,

00:19:59he still apologized for it.

00:20:01He gave his life to Christ

00:20:03before he died.

00:20:04As,

00:20:05as someone who was

00:20:06baptized a Christian

00:20:07back in 2017,

00:20:10let me tell you,

00:20:12you can give your life to Christ.

00:20:15this isn't Bible thumping.

00:20:18This isn't me pushing religion.

00:20:20This is me telling you

00:20:21biblically

00:20:22that is flawed.

00:20:25In

00:20:25inherently

00:20:26flawed.

00:20:28Because

00:20:29you will

00:20:30the big thing to having your sins

00:20:32washed away

00:20:33under the blood of Christ.

00:20:35You have to be

00:20:36repentant.

00:20:37Yeah,

00:20:38exactly.

00:20:40And

00:20:40there are things

00:20:41he did

00:20:42after that

00:20:43that prove

00:20:44he isn't

00:20:45repentant.

00:20:47I will continue.

00:20:49I countered with,

00:20:51no,

00:20:51he didn't apologize.

00:20:52He told a room full

00:20:53of his peers,

00:20:54many of them

00:20:55African Americans,

00:20:56to basically

00:20:57not get caught.

00:20:59Right.

00:21:00You never know

00:21:00who's recording.

00:21:02He said something

00:21:02like that.

00:21:03He used it

00:21:03multiple times.

00:21:05He has shown no contrition

00:21:07for it whatsoever.

00:21:09Here is

00:21:10the big response.

00:21:13Yeah,

00:21:13he did.

00:21:14He publicly apologized

00:21:15on live TV

00:21:16and said it wasn't like him

00:21:18and it's not typical behavior.

00:21:20My side note,

00:21:21if you've heard the conversation,

00:21:23he's very comfortable

00:21:24saying that word.

00:21:26This was not

00:21:27a first time

00:21:28Hulk Hogan

00:21:29uttered that word.

00:21:31And

00:21:31not only that,

00:21:32but in that,

00:21:33in the diatribe

00:21:34that we're talking about,

00:21:36he even says,

00:21:38I am racist

00:21:39to a point.

00:21:40He uses those words

00:21:42exactly like

00:21:43he acknowledges

00:21:44his own racism.

00:21:46All the hoopla

00:21:50you just spewed

00:21:51as lies

00:21:54that was made up

00:21:55by the black people

00:21:57who were mad.

00:21:58Oh my God.

00:22:00Get your facts

00:22:01straight.

00:22:02And the one comment

00:22:03that he did make,

00:22:04he was irate

00:22:05because the man

00:22:06that his daughter

00:22:07was dating

00:22:07was an absolute loser

00:22:09who actually turned out

00:22:11to abuse her.

00:22:12So the word

00:22:13he used to describe him

00:22:15wasn't necessarily wrong,

00:22:18was it?

00:22:19That's some pretzel logic there.

00:22:21And I said,

00:22:23no,

00:22:23it wasn't lies.

00:22:24His ex-wife

00:22:25and daughter

00:22:26have said

00:22:27he psychologically

00:22:28abused them.

00:22:29He did say

00:22:30the person

00:22:30his son

00:22:31made a quadriplegic.

00:22:33It was the victim's fault.

00:22:36Both of those

00:22:36happened

00:22:37before his racist

00:22:38colors came out.

00:22:40And his public apology

00:22:41was a farce.

00:22:43When he had to

00:22:44apologize to his peers,

00:22:46he just said,

00:22:47don't get caught.

00:22:48Both black

00:22:49and white wrestlers

00:22:50said that.

00:22:51Calling anyone

00:22:52a racial slur

00:22:53is deplorable

00:22:54no matter what they do.

00:22:56The fact that

00:22:57you're justifying it

00:22:58says a lot

00:22:59about your character.

00:23:00Yeah.

00:23:02Like,

00:23:03what is wrong

00:23:04with our society

00:23:06that we

00:23:07have to

00:23:08sit here?

00:23:10And I just

00:23:11sent that to you,

00:23:12Matt.

00:23:13Okay.

00:23:14That we

00:23:16have to

00:23:16sit here.

00:23:18Heaven forbid

00:23:19if Ted Bundy

00:23:21died in this era.

00:23:22Ted Bundy,

00:23:23I honestly believe,

00:23:24would have apologists.

00:23:25Was this a

00:23:26public comment

00:23:27or in Messenger?

00:23:29This was a

00:23:30public comment.

00:23:31Oh,

00:23:31I don't think I

00:23:32have a way

00:23:34to black that out,

00:23:35at least not

00:23:36in real time

00:23:37during the show.

00:23:38I can

00:23:39take care of it

00:23:40for you.

00:23:41Okay.

00:23:41Well,

00:23:41because I was going to say,

00:23:42if it's a public comment,

00:23:43why do we have to

00:23:43black it out?

00:23:44Because,

00:23:45look,

00:23:46I don't want

00:23:46to be a part of

00:23:47doxing in any way,

00:23:49shape,

00:23:49or form.

00:23:50No,

00:23:51I know.

00:23:51I get that.

00:23:52I feel the same.

00:23:52I just,

00:23:53is it doxing if

00:23:54this person is openly

00:23:55saying this publicly?

00:23:56You know what?

00:23:56Throw it up then.

00:23:58You know what?

00:23:59If you're a racist,

00:24:00if you're supporting

00:24:01a racist,

00:24:02you deserve to be

00:24:03put out there.

00:24:04Well,

00:24:04to me,

00:24:05she's already put

00:24:05herself out there.

00:24:06That's what I'm saying.

00:24:07That's why I don't

00:24:08think it's...

00:24:09And I just want to

00:24:10show proof that,

00:24:11yes,

00:24:11this really was...

00:24:13I don't think it's

00:24:13a form of doxing.

00:24:14I mean,

00:24:14we don't have to

00:24:15read their name

00:24:16out loud,

00:24:17but we can at least...

00:24:19And everyone that wants...

00:24:22If you want to go look,

00:24:23it's on threads.

00:24:24Yeah.

00:24:25So,

00:24:25there it is.

00:24:26I don't know if I can

00:24:27really make that any...

00:24:28Can I make that any bigger?

00:24:30Probably not.

00:24:32But,

00:24:32yeah,

00:24:33there it is.

00:24:34That's the conversation.

00:24:36We're part of it.

00:24:39Well,

00:24:39I mean,

00:24:40it's the times we live in.

00:24:41I mean,

00:24:42it's just completely sad.

00:24:45And,

00:24:45look,

00:24:47and then his family says

00:24:48to call him a racist

00:24:50at this time

00:24:51is completely disrespectful.

00:24:53No,

00:24:54it's not.

00:24:55When Louis Farrakhan dies,

00:24:57are we going to say

00:24:58he was a racist?

00:25:01Yes,

00:25:01we are.

00:25:02When George Wallace died,

00:25:05was he called a racist

00:25:06and a bigot?

00:25:08Yes,

00:25:08he was.

00:25:09What about David Duke

00:25:10when David Duke dies?

00:25:12Yeah,

00:25:12I know.

00:25:13I mean,

00:25:13the political climate

00:25:15in this country,

00:25:16though,

00:25:16is such that

00:25:16I almost think that,

00:25:18well,

00:25:18I shouldn't say

00:25:19I almost think

00:25:20there will be

00:25:20when David Duke dies,

00:25:21there will be people

00:25:22on social media

00:25:23saying,

00:25:23oh,

00:25:23you shouldn't

00:25:25call him bad things.

00:25:26That's disgusting.

00:25:27You know,

00:25:28don't speak ill of the dead

00:25:29and all that.

00:25:30To me,

00:25:30it's not.

00:25:31Like,

00:25:31from my perspective,

00:25:32I don't think of it,

00:25:33though,

00:25:34maybe quite the same way

00:25:35that I guess

00:25:36so many people do

00:25:37because we live in,

00:25:38you know,

00:25:39we live in a time,

00:25:39too,

00:25:39where people are so polarized

00:25:40and people think of everything

00:25:41in this sort of binary way,

00:25:44like everything is either

00:25:45good or bad,

00:25:45black or white.

00:25:46Like,

00:25:47I don't think it's,

00:25:48I don't think it's disrespectful

00:25:50to his memory

00:25:51to bring up

00:25:53the really shitty things

00:25:55about this person.

00:25:57Just like it's,

00:25:58I don't think,

00:25:59just like I don't think

00:26:00we're glazing him

00:26:01by saying all the positive

00:26:02contributions that he made

00:26:03to the world

00:26:04of professional wrestling

00:26:05or any other nice things

00:26:06that we might say about him.

00:26:09I mean,

00:26:09I don't know if you have

00:26:10anything else nice

00:26:11you'll say about him,

00:26:13but,

00:26:13or me,

00:26:15I don't know if I will either,

00:26:16but,

00:26:17I mean,

00:26:17we should be able

00:26:18to present a full picture.

00:26:20There was a time

00:26:21where you used to be able to,

00:26:23if somebody died,

00:26:24you used to be able to say,

00:26:24well,

00:26:25you know,

00:26:25this person had a complicated

00:26:26history

00:26:27and they were complex

00:26:28and here's the good

00:26:30about them

00:26:30and by the way,

00:26:31here's the bad about them,

00:26:32but now it's like,

00:26:33everything's so polarized.

00:26:34You can't even do that anymore.

00:26:36If I may, Matt,

00:26:37I want to circle

00:26:38to one of the people

00:26:39that I look up to.

00:26:40Yeah.

00:26:40Malcolm X.

00:26:42When Malcolm X died,

00:26:45you,

00:26:46to this day,

00:26:48it's still brought up.

00:26:49His polarizing views

00:26:51on

00:26:53Caucasians,

00:26:55Jews,

00:26:56until he went to the

00:27:00Hajj at Mecca

00:27:00and then he came back.

00:27:05Yeah.

00:27:06A Muslim,

00:27:07Muslim podcast

00:27:09that I follow.

00:27:10The guy's very well-spoken

00:27:12and he was actually

00:27:13personally,

00:27:14personal friend.

00:27:18Malik,

00:27:19I can't even say

00:27:20his Muslim name.

00:27:21Yeah,

00:27:22it can be difficult.

00:27:23But you know what?

00:27:24I want to show,

00:27:26because it's key

00:27:27to this conversation.

00:27:28Yeah.

00:27:29And I heard it last night

00:27:33on my way into work.

00:27:36El-Hajj Malik

00:27:37El-Shabazz.

00:27:39Okay.

00:27:40He's like,

00:27:40I am not going to talk

00:27:42about the man Malcolm X

00:27:43because the man Malcolm X

00:27:45had very

00:27:46polarizing views,

00:27:49very racist views,

00:27:50views that were not

00:27:51in line with the views

00:27:53of Allah.

00:27:53I'm going to talk

00:27:56about

00:27:56El-Hajj Malik

00:27:58El-Shabazz,

00:28:00a man that lived

00:28:01for three months.

00:28:03And

00:28:04that

00:28:05really

00:28:06kind of

00:28:06emboldened me

00:28:07for this podcast

00:28:08today.

00:28:09Because

00:28:10it's like,

00:28:12yeah,

00:28:12we can talk

00:28:14about Hulk Hogan,

00:28:15but we also

00:28:16have to talk

00:28:17about Terry Bollea.

00:28:19Exactly.

00:28:20And

00:28:20you have to

00:28:22differentiate

00:28:23the two.

00:28:24But Hulk Hogan,

00:28:25that's why I

00:28:26spoke the way

00:28:27I did.

00:28:29Because

00:28:29I want to

00:28:30make sure

00:28:31we're clear.

00:28:32Hulk Hogan

00:28:33deserves

00:28:35reverence

00:28:36for what he did

00:28:36for professional

00:28:37wrestling.

00:28:39But

00:28:39you don't

00:28:40have to,

00:28:41because you

00:28:41honor Hulk Hogan,

00:28:43you're not,

00:28:43you do not

00:28:44honor Terry Bollea.

00:28:46Right.

00:28:47Terry Bollea

00:28:47was not

00:28:49based on

00:28:51evidence,

00:28:52not

00:28:52personal

00:28:53opinion.

00:28:54If we're

00:28:55just looking

00:28:55at the

00:28:56evidence,

00:28:56not a

00:28:57good person.

00:28:59Yeah,

00:28:59Terry Bollea

00:29:00did not

00:29:00live up to

00:29:01the character

00:29:02that he

00:29:02played.

00:29:03Right.

00:29:04In a sense.

00:29:05Even on

00:29:06the most

00:29:07minuscule

00:29:07thing of

00:29:08taking,

00:29:09say your

00:29:09prayers,

00:29:10take your

00:29:10vitamins.

00:29:11I mean,

00:29:12we go back

00:29:13to that

00:29:13just train

00:29:15wreck of an

00:29:15Arsenio Hall

00:29:16interview.

00:29:17you know,

00:29:20yeah.

00:29:22Yeah,

00:29:22he did.

00:29:23He did

00:29:23bear a

00:29:23false

00:29:23witness.

00:29:25Yeah,

00:29:25he

00:29:26and,

00:29:29you know,

00:29:29I mean,

00:29:30he look

00:29:31at what

00:29:32he did,

00:29:32you know,

00:29:35to his

00:29:36coworkers

00:29:37when his

00:29:38run was

00:29:39really hitting

00:29:40the ground

00:29:40running.

00:29:41he could

00:29:42have been

00:29:43a force

00:29:44of so

00:29:44good in

00:29:44professional

00:29:45wrestling.

00:29:46Had he

00:29:47went to

00:29:48Vince McMahon

00:29:48and said,

00:29:49Vince,

00:29:50brother,

00:29:50think we

00:29:51need to

00:29:51allow the

00:29:51boys to

00:29:53union up.

00:29:54Yeah.

00:29:55They could

00:29:56have been

00:29:56so protected

00:29:57and so

00:29:58much better

00:29:59off.

00:30:00But no,

00:30:00what did

00:30:01he do?

00:30:02He went

00:30:02to Vince,

00:30:03brother,

00:30:04Jesse.

00:30:05Yup.

00:30:06That ratted

00:30:07him out.

00:30:08Start to

00:30:08union.

00:30:10Jesse lost

00:30:11millions.

00:30:13Yeah.

00:30:13Over that.

00:30:14Jesse's one

00:30:15of my

00:30:15heroes.

00:30:16I love

00:30:16Jesse,

00:30:16the body

00:30:17Ventura,

00:30:17the governor.

00:30:18And,

00:30:18and you

00:30:19know what?

00:30:22You want

00:30:23to,

00:30:23you want

00:30:24to talk

00:30:24about a

00:30:25man?

00:30:26I feel

00:30:26this.

00:30:27A man

00:30:28is a

00:30:28man's

00:30:29character

00:30:29when he

00:30:30passes on

00:30:31a man's

00:30:32character is

00:30:32best shown

00:30:33by his

00:30:33peers.

00:30:34How many

00:30:35wrestlers

00:30:36have come

00:30:38out and

00:30:39said,

00:30:40rest in

00:30:40peace,

00:30:40Hulkster?

00:30:41hundreds.

00:30:42Let's

00:30:43think back

00:30:44to when

00:30:46someone that

00:30:48was highly

00:30:48regarded in

00:30:49the world of

00:30:50professional

00:30:50wrestling passed

00:30:51away.

00:30:53Let's look at

00:30:54the condolences

00:30:55that the,

00:30:56the statements

00:30:57that came out

00:30:58when Macho

00:30:59Man Randy

00:30:59Savage came

00:31:00out,

00:31:01when Macho

00:31:02Man died.

00:31:02We're talking

00:31:04paragraphs.

00:31:05Oh,

00:31:06yeah.

00:31:06Yeah.

00:31:07Hogan,

00:31:08three to four

00:31:10lines.

00:31:11Randy Savage

00:31:11was much

00:31:12more respected

00:31:14and look,

00:31:15I have to

00:31:17acknowledge though,

00:31:17I can't say

00:31:18anything about

00:31:18that without

00:31:19some of my

00:31:19own bias

00:31:20creeping in

00:31:20for people

00:31:21who don't

00:31:21know.

00:31:22Macho Man

00:31:23Randy Savage

00:31:23is my

00:31:24all-time

00:31:24favorite.

00:31:25I mean,

00:31:25my all-time

00:31:26favorite is

00:31:27still alive.

00:31:28So,

00:31:28I'm sure,

00:31:30but again,

00:31:30I'm sure

00:31:31when Brett

00:31:31passes away,

00:31:32you're going

00:31:33to get more

00:31:35thought-provoking

00:31:36statements

00:31:37than just

00:31:40rest in

00:31:41peace,

00:31:42Hulkster,

00:31:42thoughts and

00:31:43condolences go

00:31:44out to your

00:31:44family.

00:31:46But there's

00:31:46also,

00:31:46we're talking

00:31:47about respected

00:31:48guys that did

00:31:49this on social

00:31:50media,

00:31:50guys,

00:31:51The Undertaker,

00:31:52Steve Austin,

00:31:54they kept it

00:31:56short and sweet.

00:31:57And it was

00:31:58literally like a

00:31:59boilerplate,

00:32:01you know.

00:32:01part of the

00:32:02problem,

00:32:03though,

00:32:03too,

00:32:03is because

00:32:04of,

00:32:05and really,

00:32:06I think it's

00:32:07more about,

00:32:08if we were to

00:32:09trace it back to

00:32:10one specific

00:32:11moment in time,

00:32:12that recording

00:32:13where he's using

00:32:14the N-word

00:32:14multiple times

00:32:15and complaining

00:32:15about his,

00:32:16I don't know if

00:32:16we were ever

00:32:17specific about

00:32:19this part,

00:32:19that he was

00:32:20complaining about

00:32:20his daughter

00:32:21being in an

00:32:21interracial

00:32:22relationship.

00:32:22No,

00:32:22it was clear

00:32:23because he

00:32:23said the

00:32:24line.

00:32:28I just mean,

00:32:29I don't know

00:32:29if we were clear

00:32:30about it when

00:32:30talking about it

00:32:31for people

00:32:31who don't

00:32:32know.

00:32:32Oh,

00:32:32I thought

00:32:33you,

00:32:33I thought

00:32:34you meant,

00:32:35uh,

00:32:36no,

00:32:36he,

00:32:37Hogan's,

00:32:37thoughts and

00:32:38feelings during

00:32:38that tirade

00:32:39were very clear.

00:32:40He did not

00:32:41approve of his

00:32:42daughter being

00:32:42in an interracial

00:32:43relationship and

00:32:44that's why

00:32:44I was like,

00:32:47I think it was

00:32:47made pretty clear

00:32:48when he's like,

00:32:49she could be

00:32:49dating a million

00:32:50dollar,

00:32:51six foot eight

00:32:52N-word that

00:32:53right.

00:32:54Oh yeah,

00:32:54no,

00:32:55it was no Hogan,

00:32:56Hogan's thoughts

00:32:57were very clear.

00:32:58I think,

00:32:58but I think if,

00:32:59you know,

00:32:59if you trace it

00:33:00back to that

00:33:01one moment in

00:33:02time,

00:33:02that's,

00:33:03that's the,

00:33:03the crux of what

00:33:04is so deeply

00:33:05disappointing.

00:33:06Oh,

00:33:07go ahead.

00:33:08Even recently,

00:33:10he could have

00:33:11shown contrition

00:33:11for it.

00:33:12When he was

00:33:13booed on the

00:33:15Netflix premiere,

00:33:16heavily booed,

00:33:18booed out of the

00:33:19building,

00:33:20go home heat.

00:33:22Oh yeah.

00:33:22on the Pat

00:33:24McAfee show.

00:33:26He's like,

00:33:27well,

00:33:28Los Angeles is a

00:33:29right,

00:33:30is a leftist

00:33:32city.

00:33:32And I,

00:33:33I supported

00:33:34Donald Trump.

00:33:34That's why they

00:33:35booed.

00:33:36No,

00:33:36he could have

00:33:37acknowledged it on

00:33:38that interview.

00:33:39I get,

00:33:40I said some very

00:33:40hurtful things.

00:33:41Yeah.

00:33:42He's never upset

00:33:43him.

00:33:43He's never been

00:33:44able to do that

00:33:46ever.

00:33:47Yeah.

00:33:48I mean,

00:33:48yes,

00:33:48he apologized

00:33:49on TV,

00:33:50but he,

00:33:51his apology

00:33:51was,

00:33:52it's not

00:33:52unlike me,

00:33:54dude,

00:33:55you said it,

00:33:56you were racist.

00:33:57Yeah.

00:33:58It,

00:33:58yeah,

00:33:59it is like

00:34:00you.

00:34:01Um,

00:34:02but,

00:34:03but I wanted

00:34:05to connect

00:34:05that though,

00:34:07that,

00:34:07that specific

00:34:08moment being

00:34:09the biggest

00:34:10problem for

00:34:10him to the

00:34:12responses from,

00:34:13from wrestling

00:34:14wrestlers who

00:34:15have to comment

00:34:16because I

00:34:17don't know if

00:34:18you saw the

00:34:18Chelsea green

00:34:19thing,

00:34:19but she got

00:34:22dragged.

00:34:23She ended up

00:34:23having to

00:34:23apologize because,

00:34:25and she shouldn't

00:34:26have,

00:34:26but she did.

00:34:27And she,

00:34:28by all accounts,

00:34:28Chelsea green is a

00:34:29wonderful person

00:34:30from everything I've

00:34:31read about her

00:34:31online.

00:34:31She's,

00:34:32she's very well

00:34:33liked by management

00:34:34at WWE.

00:34:35Everyone loves

00:34:35Chelsea green.

00:34:36She portrays a

00:34:37heel on TV,

00:34:38but she's actually

00:34:39a great person in

00:34:40real life,

00:34:40apparently.

00:34:41Um,

00:34:42and even the

00:34:43heel that she

00:34:43plays is very

00:34:44likable,

00:34:44but,

00:34:45but anyway,

00:34:45uh,

00:34:46so she,

00:34:46she said

00:34:47something I,

00:34:47I don't have

00:34:48in front of me

00:34:48the exact

00:34:48comment,

00:34:49but it was

00:34:49something like,

00:34:50um,

00:34:51I didn't agree

00:34:52with this

00:34:53politics,

00:34:53but Hulk Hogan

00:34:54is an icon

00:34:55and I'm,

00:34:56I'm so sorry

00:34:57he's gone or

00:34:57something like

00:34:58that.

00:34:58But,

00:34:58but she led

00:34:59with,

00:35:00uh,

00:35:01Paul,

00:35:01something like

00:35:02politics aside,

00:35:03or I didn't

00:35:03agree with

00:35:03politics.

00:35:04And because

00:35:04she led

00:35:05with that,

00:35:06she got

00:35:07dragged on,

00:35:09on the internet

00:35:10by all these

00:35:11people who are

00:35:11furious with her,

00:35:12felt that she

00:35:13was being

00:35:13disrespectful.

00:35:14And because

00:35:15I got something

00:35:16to say about,

00:35:16and by the way,

00:35:17she ended up

00:35:17apologizing.

00:35:18She made a

00:35:19follow-up statement

00:35:19saying she

00:35:20apologizes if she

00:35:21hurt anyone's

00:35:21feelings.

00:35:22And,

00:35:22you know,

00:35:23and here's the

00:35:24thing.

00:35:25It's this

00:35:25minefield that

00:35:27everyone has to

00:35:28walk into,

00:35:29including Chelsea

00:35:30Green.

00:35:31She's,

00:35:31she's trying to

00:35:32do something nice.

00:35:33She's trying to

00:35:33offer condolences,

00:35:34but,

00:35:35you know,

00:35:36Chelsea Green

00:35:37didn't put the

00:35:38minefield there.

00:35:39Nobody did.

00:35:41Hulk Hogan

00:35:42created that

00:35:43minefield.

00:35:44Or,

00:35:44let me be more

00:35:45precise.

00:35:45Terry Bollea

00:35:46created that

00:35:47minefield that

00:35:48everyone now has

00:35:49to walk through

00:35:50now that he's

00:35:50gone in terms of

00:35:51expressing condolences.

00:35:53Because if you

00:35:53happen to be

00:35:54someone who,

00:35:56you know,

00:35:56you want to

00:35:57express condolences

00:35:58because it's Hulk

00:35:58Hogan,

00:35:59maybe you're like

00:36:00us, you know,

00:36:00a big part of

00:36:01our childhoods,

00:36:01et cetera.

00:36:02So you want to,

00:36:03you want to express

00:36:04condolences for

00:36:05the character of

00:36:06Hulk Hogan.

00:36:06But while you're

00:36:08at it,

00:36:08you don't want

00:36:09anyone to take

00:36:09that the wrong

00:36:10way and think

00:36:11that you're okay

00:36:11with what he did

00:36:13and, you know,

00:36:14using the N-word

00:36:15and all that.

00:36:16And you end up

00:36:17getting dragged

00:36:18for it.

00:36:18And it's like,

00:36:19and I think that's

00:36:20why a lot of

00:36:21people just don't

00:36:21want to say

00:36:22anything.

00:36:23Because it's a

00:36:23no-win situation.

00:36:25You know,

00:36:25how do you express

00:36:27condolence?

00:36:27Because, again,

00:36:28we live in this

00:36:29binary world now

00:36:30where, you know,

00:36:31so I guess

00:36:33from the perspective

00:36:34of a lot of

00:36:35people,

00:36:35you have to be

00:36:36all in on

00:36:37Hulk Hogan.

00:36:38And now that

00:36:38he's gone,

00:36:38you can only

00:36:39say wonderful

00:36:39things.

00:36:40And if people

00:36:41think you're

00:36:42a racist

00:36:42because of it,

00:36:43oh, well,

00:36:44you either have

00:36:45to do that

00:36:45or you have

00:36:46to just ignore

00:36:47it.

00:36:48And obviously

00:36:49we're doing

00:36:49something more

00:36:50nuanced here

00:36:50because, you

00:36:51know,

00:36:52we're not

00:36:52binary thinkers.

00:36:53We can approach

00:36:54these things

00:36:54with nuance

00:36:55and critical

00:36:57thinking.

00:36:58But I don't

00:36:59know how much

00:36:59of a place

00:37:00for that there

00:37:00is in this

00:37:01world anymore

00:37:02because apparently

00:37:02you're not

00:37:03supposed to do

00:37:04that.

00:37:04It's very

00:37:05frustrating to me.

00:37:05And I feel

00:37:06terrible for

00:37:06what happened

00:37:06to Chelsea

00:37:07Green.

00:37:07She didn't

00:37:08deserve to be

00:37:08dragged for

00:37:09that.

00:37:09And she

00:37:10shouldn't have

00:37:10had to

00:37:10apologize.

00:37:11I don't

00:37:11think she

00:37:12should have

00:37:12apologized.

00:37:13I wish she

00:37:13had stuck

00:37:13to her

00:37:14guns.

00:37:14Maybe there

00:37:15was pressure

00:37:15on her

00:37:16from within

00:37:17TKO to

00:37:18apologize.

00:37:18I don't

00:37:19know.

00:37:19But yeah,

00:37:20she apologized

00:37:21asked for

00:37:21it.

00:37:23Look,

00:37:24Chelsea Green

00:37:26doesn't,

00:37:27no one

00:37:28deserves

00:37:29death threats

00:37:30or something

00:37:31they say

00:37:31online.

00:37:33I mean,

00:37:33even if it's

00:37:34the most

00:37:34inflammatory

00:37:35thing,

00:37:37there's a

00:37:38line you

00:37:39don't cross.

00:37:40And it

00:37:41has to be

00:37:41harrowing for

00:37:42Chelsea Green,

00:37:43not just as

00:37:44a public

00:37:44figure,

00:37:46but as a

00:37:47woman in

00:37:48America.

00:37:49Yeah.

00:37:50to have

00:37:52people sending

00:37:52these things

00:37:53to her.

00:37:55So yeah,

00:37:56I'm,

00:37:57that was,

00:37:58I was very

00:38:00hurt over

00:38:00that.

00:38:02I was also

00:38:03very,

00:38:04there was one

00:38:05wrestler's

00:38:05response I was

00:38:07very disappointed

00:38:07in.

00:38:09Mick Foley's.

00:38:10Oh,

00:38:10I didn't see

00:38:11this yet.

00:38:12Mick Foley

00:38:13came out

00:38:13and said,

00:38:14I think you

00:38:16should wait

00:38:1672 hours

00:38:17after someone

00:38:18dies before

00:38:19you say

00:38:19anything

00:38:20negative

00:38:20about that.

00:38:21Really?

00:38:22I'm like,

00:38:23no,

00:38:24because you

00:38:25got to

00:38:26present the

00:38:27whole picture,

00:38:28Mick.

00:38:28Right,

00:38:28right.

00:38:29And,

00:38:29you know,

00:38:30like,

00:38:31the whole

00:38:32picture,

00:38:34Hulk Hogan,

00:38:35according to

00:38:36reports,

00:38:37was allowed

00:38:38to meet his

00:38:39grandchildren

00:38:39because of the

00:38:40psychological abuse

00:38:41he put on

00:38:42his daughter.

00:38:43I didn't know

00:38:44that.

00:38:44Wow.

00:38:44Yeah.

00:38:44I mean,

00:38:46I knew,

00:38:46I knew there

00:38:47was a

00:38:47estrangement,

00:38:48but I

00:38:48didn't,

00:38:48I didn't

00:38:48know that

00:38:49specifically.

00:38:50I mean,

00:38:51we're talking

00:38:52about a

00:38:53guy that

00:38:54even after

00:38:55he was

00:38:56baptized,

00:38:57did a

00:38:58video of

00:38:59him and

00:39:00his current

00:39:00wife laughing

00:39:02at his

00:39:03ex-wife having

00:39:04a mental

00:39:04breakdown on

00:39:05Facebook Live

00:39:06while eating

00:39:06popcorn.

00:39:07Yeah.

00:39:09Like,

00:39:11like,

00:39:11you can have

00:39:13an issue

00:39:13with your

00:39:14ex-wife.

00:39:14Divorces are

00:39:15messy.

00:39:15I totally

00:39:16get that.

00:39:17But,

00:39:18at that

00:39:19point,

00:39:20it's obvious

00:39:20she has

00:39:21some mental

00:39:22health issues.

00:39:23And on

00:39:24this,

00:39:24and on

00:39:25thread,

00:39:25someone said,

00:39:26yeah,

00:39:26you seem to

00:39:27forget that

00:39:27she cheated

00:39:29on Hulk

00:39:29with her

00:39:30son's

00:39:3117-year-old

00:39:32friend.

00:39:33Well,

00:39:34you seem to

00:39:34forget that

00:39:35Hulk was

00:39:36unfaithing

00:39:37faithful to

00:39:38her for

00:39:38decades.

00:39:40Yeah.

00:39:41Yeah,

00:39:42I mean,

00:39:43and the

00:39:43psychological

00:39:44abuse he

00:39:45put her

00:39:45through,

00:39:45that she

00:39:46documented

00:39:46in her

00:39:47book.

00:39:48Whether

00:39:48it's true

00:39:49or not,

00:39:51that's up

00:39:52to you to

00:39:53decide.

00:39:54But,

00:39:54I don't

00:39:55think you

00:39:55can make

00:39:56up the

00:39:57stuff she

00:39:57said in

00:39:58that book.

00:39:59Yeah,

00:40:00I mean,

00:40:02who knows?

00:40:03But,

00:40:04and I never

00:40:05paid too

00:40:05much attention

00:40:06to that.

00:40:06But yeah,

00:40:08I mean,

00:40:08there's some

00:40:08pretty awful

00:40:10stuff.

00:40:12Preview copy

00:40:13of her

00:40:13book.

00:40:14Oh,

00:40:14really?

00:40:15Oh,

00:40:15no kidding.

00:40:16I had

00:40:17written a

00:40:18column for

00:40:19the Kirkwood

00:40:21Community College

00:40:21Communicate

00:40:22about Eddie

00:40:24Guerrero when

00:40:24he died.

00:40:25Yeah.

00:40:26And after

00:40:28that,

00:40:28we started

00:40:29getting like

00:40:30wrestling

00:40:30preview copies

00:40:33from Simon

00:40:33and Schuster

00:40:34and that

00:40:35was one

00:40:35of the

00:40:35books we

00:40:36got was

00:40:37Linda,

00:40:42Linda

00:40:43Bolea.

00:40:44I'm not

00:40:44kidding.

00:40:45Wrestling

00:40:46with the

00:40:46Hulk.

00:40:47Oh.

00:40:48Yeah,

00:40:49you know,

00:40:50there were

00:40:50some things

00:40:51in it that

00:40:51you're like,

00:40:52this is just

00:40:52tawdry.

00:40:53Like,

00:40:53she alluded

00:40:53to him

00:40:54and Brutus

00:40:55having a

00:40:56affair.

00:40:58And you're

00:40:59like,

00:40:59oh,

00:40:59you.

00:41:00Yeah,

00:41:01I don't buy

00:41:02it.

00:41:03Like they

00:41:03did,

00:41:04whatever,

00:41:04you know,

00:41:05but I

00:41:05mean,

00:41:06it's funny

00:41:08as a

00:41:09wrestling fan.

00:41:10You're

00:41:10like,

00:41:10man,

00:41:11kind of

00:41:12brings his

00:41:12kind of

00:41:13brings Brutus

00:41:14being called

00:41:15booty man

00:41:15in WCW

00:41:16under a

00:41:18whole nother

00:41:18light now.

00:41:20Or maybe

00:41:20he put on

00:41:21the Zodiac

00:41:21costume and

00:41:22Hogan liked

00:41:22that.

00:41:23No,

00:41:24no,

00:41:24come on.

00:41:24He had

00:41:25to be

00:41:25the disciple

00:41:26with that

00:41:26leather

00:41:27bikers

00:41:28vest.

00:41:29That's

00:41:29right.

00:41:29That's

00:41:30right.

00:41:31Yeah,

00:41:31brother.

00:41:31Goods.

00:41:35Oh,

00:41:36God.

00:41:38Yeah,

00:41:39so it's,

00:41:39you know,

00:41:40it's a

00:41:40complicated

00:41:41legacy.

00:41:42It is.

00:41:43And you,

00:41:44we have

00:41:44to,

00:41:45and I

00:41:46don't buy

00:41:46this,

00:41:47that when

00:41:47someone dies,

00:41:48you just

00:41:49have to talk

00:41:50good at

00:41:51them.

00:41:52I call it

00:41:53the Bambi

00:41:53theory.

00:41:54If you can't

00:41:54say anything

00:41:55nice,

00:41:55don't say

00:41:55anything at

00:41:56all.

00:41:56No,

00:41:56you have

00:41:57to present

00:41:57the whole

00:41:58picture of

00:41:58their life

00:41:59as you

00:41:59so

00:41:59eloquently

00:42:00put it.

00:42:01Yeah,

00:42:02I,

00:42:03for some

00:42:03reason,

00:42:04I,

00:42:04I'm

00:42:05remembering

00:42:05when,

00:42:06when Richard

00:42:06Nixon

00:42:07died,

00:42:07and,

00:42:08you know,

00:42:10people

00:42:10tried to

00:42:11find most

00:42:12of the

00:42:12eulogizing

00:42:13and all

00:42:15of it

00:42:15memorializing

00:42:17that I

00:42:17saw in

00:42:18the media

00:42:18was,

00:42:19was positive.

00:42:19People were

00:42:20trying to

00:42:20say positive

00:42:20things about

00:42:21Nixon,

00:42:21focus on

00:42:22some of

00:42:22his foreign

00:42:22policy

00:42:23achievements

00:42:23and whatnot.

00:42:25And I

00:42:25remember

00:42:25seeing

00:42:26Michael

00:42:26Kinsley.

00:42:26I don't

00:42:27know if

00:42:27you remember

00:42:27Michael

00:42:27Kinsley.

00:42:29Do not.

00:42:30He,

00:42:30he was the

00:42:31liberal host

00:42:31on Crossfire

00:42:32during its,

00:42:33its early

00:42:34days.

00:42:35And I

00:42:36remember seeing

00:42:36him going

00:42:36on the

00:42:37Conan O'Brien

00:42:38show at

00:42:38the time,

00:42:39and I used

00:42:39to love

00:42:40Conan.

00:42:40And they

00:42:41were talking

00:42:42about Nixon

00:42:42and Michael

00:42:43Kinsley

00:42:43said,

00:42:43you know,

00:42:44just because

00:42:45he,

00:42:46he,

00:42:46he's dead

00:42:47doesn't mean

00:42:47we have to

00:42:48forget that

00:42:48he was evil.

00:42:50You know,

00:42:50so he was

00:42:51kind of

00:42:51breaking ranks

00:42:52with the

00:42:52rest of the

00:42:52media.

00:42:53He's like,

00:42:53you know,

00:42:53this guy

00:42:54did some

00:42:54really evil

00:42:55stuff.

00:42:55And I

00:42:56don't know

00:42:57why everyone

00:42:57thinks we

00:42:58have to

00:42:58just suddenly

00:42:58forget that

00:42:59because he's

00:43:00dead.

00:43:01And it was,

00:43:02you know,

00:43:02he was very

00:43:02blunt about it,

00:43:03which was,

00:43:04it was funny.

00:43:04But,

00:43:05but yeah,

00:43:05I mean,

00:43:06I think if you're

00:43:07going to honor

00:43:07somebody,

00:43:08you know,

00:43:08you have to

00:43:08present the

00:43:09whole picture.

00:43:09I think it's

00:43:10dishonest.

00:43:10I think,

00:43:11I think to,

00:43:12to present

00:43:13that in a

00:43:14dishonest way,

00:43:16even if it's

00:43:17just,

00:43:17you know,

00:43:18lying by

00:43:18omission,

00:43:19I think is

00:43:20actually dishonoring

00:43:21the memory

00:43:21of that

00:43:22person.

00:43:23People are

00:43:24complex and

00:43:24they have

00:43:24multi-dimensions

00:43:25and there's

00:43:26good and bad

00:43:27in everybody

00:43:27and there's

00:43:28some pretty

00:43:28bad stuff

00:43:29in Terry

00:43:29Bollea,

00:43:30but I don't

00:43:31think it,

00:43:31I don't think

00:43:31it honors

00:43:32his memory

00:43:33to just

00:43:33pretend that,

00:43:35that he was

00:43:36all sunshine

00:43:36and roses.

00:43:38No.

00:43:39And,

00:43:39you know,

00:43:40I honestly,

00:43:41I mean,

00:43:42I remember

00:43:42as a kid,

00:43:43I watched

00:43:44many a Hulk

00:43:45Hogan

00:43:46matches and

00:43:47they were

00:43:48positive

00:43:49memories,

00:43:50but it's

00:43:51also like,

00:43:53you know,

00:43:54I think as

00:43:54you get

00:43:55older,

00:43:56you become

00:43:56more jaded.

00:43:58Yeah.

00:43:59In a sense,

00:44:00because you

00:44:00do,

00:44:01as you get

00:44:02older,

00:44:02you do see

00:44:03your heroes

00:44:04fall.

00:44:05And some

00:44:06of them

00:44:06fall hard.

00:44:09And Hogan

00:44:10fell hard.

00:44:11I mean,

00:44:12we haven't

00:44:12even talked

00:44:13about the

00:44:13Gawker

00:44:14sex tape

00:44:15scandal.

00:44:16Right.

00:44:17Which,

00:44:17I have

00:44:19my own

00:44:19beliefs on

00:44:20that.

00:44:21I don't,

00:44:22I think

00:44:24that was a

00:44:24setup from

00:44:25the word

00:44:26go to get

00:44:26Hogan

00:44:27millions.

00:44:29You do?

00:44:29You think

00:44:29so,

00:44:30really?

00:44:31Yeah.

00:44:31He had

00:44:32sex with

00:44:32his best

00:44:34friend's

00:44:34wife,

00:44:35didn't

00:44:37know he

00:44:38was being

00:44:39recorded.

00:44:40The tape

00:44:42just

00:44:42miraculously

00:44:43falls in

00:44:44the hands

00:44:45of one

00:44:46of the

00:44:47top

00:44:48unscrupulous

00:44:50media

00:44:50outlets and

00:44:51Gawker.

00:44:53There are

00:44:54so,

00:44:54and he

00:44:55had just

00:44:55lost

00:44:57nearly his

00:44:58entire fortune

00:44:59in a

00:44:59divorce.

00:45:01Yeah.

00:45:02Like,

00:45:03there's

00:45:04too many

00:45:05coinketings

00:45:06here to

00:45:08sit here

00:45:09and be

00:45:09like,

00:45:10really?

00:45:11No.

00:45:12I think

00:45:13there was a

00:45:14middleman

00:45:14that got

00:45:15the tape

00:45:16from Bubba

00:45:16the Love

00:45:17Sponge,

00:45:18submitted it

00:45:19to Gawker,

00:45:20and then I

00:45:20think someone

00:45:21else planted

00:45:22the information

00:45:23to Peter Thiel,

00:45:24knowing Peter

00:45:25Thiel had a

00:45:26major axe to

00:45:27grind with

00:45:28Docker and

00:45:29had the

00:45:29millions to

00:45:30help Hogan

00:45:31do it.

00:45:33So,

00:45:34yeah,

00:45:35and everyone's

00:45:35like,

00:45:36well,

00:45:36he only

00:45:36settled for

00:45:37$25 million

00:45:39or whatever

00:45:40settlement got

00:45:42after the

00:45:42$110 million

00:45:43judgment,

00:45:44but it's

00:45:45like,

00:45:46yeah,

00:45:46when you're

00:45:47worth like

00:45:48$500K,

00:45:49it's a lot

00:45:50of money.

00:45:51Yeah.

00:45:52No,

00:45:52it was a

00:45:54setup.

00:45:56Yeah,

00:45:56I mean,

00:45:57I'm not much

00:45:57of a conspiracy

00:45:58theorist,

00:45:59but I

00:45:59think,

00:46:00but,

00:46:00you know,

00:46:01it's

00:46:01incredible what

00:46:02you've presented

00:46:03because the

00:46:04actual story

00:46:06that has been

00:46:06told,

00:46:07I mean,

00:46:07you're right,

00:46:08it is pretty

00:46:09incredible that

00:46:10that all worked

00:46:10out the way

00:46:11it did,

00:46:11isn't it?

00:46:12Oh,

00:46:12everything's

00:46:13coming up,

00:46:14Hulkster!

00:46:15Yeah,

00:46:16yeah,

00:46:16it is pretty

00:46:17remarkable.

00:46:20Do you

00:46:20think,

00:46:21and,

00:46:21you know,

00:46:22look,

00:46:22obviously we

00:46:23don't do

00:46:23politics on

00:46:24this show,

00:46:24but it's

00:46:25almost impossible

00:46:27in this

00:46:27instance to

00:46:28avoid it

00:46:28completely,

00:46:29because that's

00:46:31also a part

00:46:31of Hogan's

00:46:32legacy.

00:46:34Do you

00:46:35think,

00:46:35were it

00:46:36not for

00:46:36the Gawker

00:46:38lawsuit and

00:46:39Peter Thiel

00:46:39getting involved

00:46:40and because he

00:46:41bankrolled

00:46:42Hogan's lawsuit,

00:46:43obviously,

00:46:45if that all

00:46:46doesn't happen,

00:46:47do you think

00:46:48Hogan still

00:46:50ends up

00:46:50being at

00:46:53the Republican

00:46:54convention in

00:46:552024?

00:46:57Do you

00:46:57think all

00:46:58of that

00:46:58happens?

00:46:58Because I

00:46:59feel like

00:46:59there's a

00:46:59through line

00:47:00there,

00:47:01but I

00:47:02don't know.

00:47:03Look,

00:47:03Hogan and

00:47:04Trump had

00:47:05a friendship.

00:47:07I mean,

00:47:08WrestleMania

00:47:09was at

00:47:10Trump

00:47:10Casino

00:47:14two years

00:47:14in a row.

00:47:15Yeah.

00:47:16One of them,

00:47:17the greatest

00:47:18night of your

00:47:18favorite wrestlers

00:47:19career,

00:47:22WrestleMania

00:47:224,

00:47:23and then

00:47:24WrestleMania

00:47:245.

00:47:25Yep.

00:47:26Yep.

00:47:27So,

00:47:29I think he

00:47:30speaks at

00:47:33the Republican

00:47:33National Convention.

00:47:35I don't think

00:47:35he's the keynote

00:47:36speaker that

00:47:37brings out

00:47:38Donald Trump.

00:47:39Yeah.

00:47:42And,

00:47:43look,

00:47:44you can argue

00:47:45that,

00:47:46and there are

00:47:46some people

00:47:47that have

00:47:48argued this,

00:47:48that Hogan

00:47:51was right

00:47:52that he

00:47:53was booed

00:47:53because of

00:47:54his association

00:47:55with Donald

00:47:56Trump.

00:47:57I counter

00:47:58with

00:47:58Undertaker

00:48:00is a

00:48:01Donald Trump

00:48:01supporter,

00:48:02and he

00:48:03was reigned

00:48:05with cheers

00:48:05at that

00:48:07same Netflix

00:48:08premiere.

00:48:09Yeah,

00:48:09absolutely.

00:48:10Yeah.

00:48:11Yeah.

00:48:11Politics had

00:48:12nothing to do

00:48:12with it.

00:48:13I think

00:48:13politics might

00:48:14have been,

00:48:15I think it

00:48:15might have

00:48:15been,

00:48:16it was not

00:48:17the cause,

00:48:18but I

00:48:18think it

00:48:18might have

00:48:18been another

00:48:19log on

00:48:19that fire.

00:48:21I think

00:48:22for a lot

00:48:22of people

00:48:22who were

00:48:23probably there

00:48:23in that

00:48:24crowd,

00:48:24in that

00:48:25LA crowd,

00:48:26it was like,

00:48:27I think,

00:48:29see,

00:48:30it's hard

00:48:30to know.

00:48:30See,

00:48:30we'll never

00:48:31know.

00:48:31We can

00:48:31speculate

00:48:32all we want

00:48:32to.

00:48:32It's so

00:48:32hard to

00:48:33know.

00:48:33But I

00:48:34think that

00:48:35Hogan,

00:48:36speaking at

00:48:37the Republican

00:48:38convention,

00:48:39for a lot

00:48:40of people,

00:48:40and it is

00:48:41a blue

00:48:41state,

00:48:42I think

00:48:44it was

00:48:44another log

00:48:45on the

00:48:45fire,

00:48:45the same

00:48:47fire,

00:48:48people aren't

00:48:49going to,

00:48:49some people

00:48:50are going to

00:48:50get mad at

00:48:50me for

00:48:51this,

00:48:51but the

00:48:52same fire

00:48:53that was

00:48:55ignited by

00:48:57his comments.

00:48:58Maybe,

00:48:59maybe.

00:49:00I know what

00:49:00you're trying

00:49:00to say,

00:49:01and I get

00:49:01it.

00:49:02Yeah,

00:49:02it might

00:49:03not have

00:49:03been the

00:49:04factor,

00:49:04but maybe

00:49:05it was

00:49:05a factor.

00:49:07Yeah.

00:49:07And there's

00:49:08a difference

00:49:09there.

00:49:11Yeah,

00:49:12I,

00:49:13and,

00:49:14you know,

00:49:15there,

00:49:15and to

00:49:16prove that

00:49:16I'm not

00:49:17just a

00:49:17hard-hearted

00:49:18asshole on

00:49:21this,

00:49:22it is sad

00:49:22that that

00:49:23is Hulk Hogan's

00:49:24last WWE

00:49:24appearance.

00:49:26It is.

00:49:27Yeah,

00:49:27it is sad.

00:49:28It is sad

00:49:28that that's

00:49:30how he's

00:49:31going to be

00:49:32remembered.

00:49:34But at

00:49:36the same

00:49:36time,

00:49:37it's,

00:49:37can you

00:49:38really say

00:49:39he deserved

00:49:40better?

00:49:41No,

00:49:42I can't.

00:49:44Under the

00:49:45circumstances

00:49:46at the time,

00:49:47no,

00:49:47I can't.

00:49:48I'm like,

00:49:49I'm like,

00:49:50am I going

00:49:50to sit

00:49:51here and

00:49:51pretend like

00:49:52I'm like,

00:49:54you know,

00:49:55that I'm

00:49:57heartbroken

00:49:58that that's

00:49:58what he got?

00:50:00No,

00:50:00I mean,

00:50:01we were all

00:50:01pretty entertained

00:50:02by it,

00:50:02actually,

00:50:03right?

00:50:03Well,

00:50:03I shouldn't

00:50:03say we all.

00:50:04Some people

00:50:05were honored.

00:50:05Maybe they

00:50:10did just

00:50:11hate Jimmy

00:50:12Hart.

00:50:12Maybe Jimmy

00:50:13Hart just

00:50:14got under

00:50:14everyone's

00:50:14skin that

00:50:15night.

00:50:16With his

00:50:17half-assed

00:50:18waving of

00:50:18that American

00:50:19flag.

00:50:20Oh,

00:50:20I don't think

00:50:20it was half-assed.

00:50:21I mean,

00:50:22he's an 80-year-old

00:50:22man,

00:50:23but I think

00:50:23he was putting

00:50:24everything he

00:50:24could have

00:50:24done.

00:50:25Hey,

00:50:26Hulk Hogan,

00:50:27the next day

00:50:28on his press

00:50:29conference on

00:50:29the Pat McAfee

00:50:30show,

00:50:31said it was

00:50:31a half-assed

00:50:32waving of

00:50:33that American

00:50:33flag.

00:50:34That's right.

00:50:35And he

00:50:36challenged

00:50:37a who's

00:50:37who of

00:50:38WWE

00:50:39wrestlers.

00:50:41We got to

00:50:42clarify this

00:50:42for people

00:50:43who haven't

00:50:43seen it.

00:50:44So for

00:50:44people who

00:50:45don't know,

00:50:45so the next

00:50:46day on

00:50:46Pat McAfee's

00:50:47show,

00:50:48there was a

00:50:48guy pretending

00:50:50to be Hogan.

00:50:51They did this

00:50:51bit where they

00:50:53said Hulk Hogan

00:50:53has joined us

00:50:54and it was a

00:50:54guy.

00:50:55I don't know

00:50:55who the,

00:50:56do you know

00:50:56who the comedian

00:50:57was who was

00:50:57playing Hogan?

00:50:58He's not a

00:50:59comedian.

00:50:59He's actually

00:51:00a host on the

00:51:01show.

00:51:01Oh,

00:51:02okay.

00:51:03So one of

00:51:03the guys on

00:51:04the show

00:51:04was doing

00:51:04it.

00:51:05Okay.

00:51:05Yeah.

00:51:06So he was

00:51:06on WrestleMania

00:51:07weekend.

00:51:09Okay.

00:51:09So he's on

00:51:10the show as

00:51:11Hulk Hogan

00:51:12and that's

00:51:12where that

00:51:12whole kid,

00:51:13you know,

00:51:13they weren't

00:51:14booing brother.

00:51:14They were

00:51:15saying Hulk

00:51:15Hogan and

00:51:17blaming Jimmy

00:51:17Hart and

00:51:18everything.

00:51:18And it's

00:51:18very funny.

00:51:19If you haven't

00:51:19seen it,

00:51:20you should

00:51:20find it on

00:51:20YouTube.

00:51:21It is very

00:51:21funny.

00:51:22It might

00:51:23not seem

00:51:23as funny

00:51:24now,

00:51:24but that

00:51:25he's going

00:51:26to come

00:51:26back for

00:51:27another run

00:51:28lists only

00:51:31African-American

00:51:33wrestler.

00:51:34He's

00:51:34going.

00:51:35Yes.

00:51:36Yes.

00:51:41One of the

00:51:42funniest ones

00:51:43they did.

00:51:44It's Ty

00:51:45Schmidt.

00:51:46Ty Schmidt.

00:51:47Okay.

00:51:48Yeah.

00:51:48Well,

00:51:49that's off to

00:51:50him.

00:51:50He did a

00:51:51great job.

00:51:51Well,

00:51:52at WrestleMania

00:51:52weekend,

00:51:54he was out

00:51:56there and

00:51:56he looked at

00:51:58Darius Butler,

00:51:59who is an

00:52:01African-American

00:52:02contributor of

00:52:03the Pat McAfee

00:52:04show and

00:52:04goes,

00:52:04brother,

00:52:05we don't want

00:52:05you drinking

00:52:06real American

00:52:07beer anyway.

00:52:08Really?

00:52:08Oh,

00:52:09that's funny.

00:52:10Wow.

00:52:11And then he's

00:52:12like,

00:52:12no,

00:52:13brother,

00:52:13it's because

00:52:14he was born

00:52:14in Germany.

00:52:16Get your

00:52:17head out of

00:52:18the gutter.

00:52:19Wow.

00:52:19I didn't know

00:52:20about that.

00:52:20That's funny.

00:52:22Wow.

00:52:24Jeez.

00:52:25And to be

00:52:26fair,

00:52:26Darius Butler

00:52:27was born on

00:52:28an Air Force

00:52:28base in

00:52:29Germany.

00:52:30He's like,

00:52:30real American

00:52:31beer is only

00:52:32for real

00:52:32Americans,

00:52:33brother.

00:52:33That's funny.

00:52:35Do you think

00:52:36that there

00:52:37were there

00:52:37was any

00:52:38conversations

00:52:39or any

00:52:40hand-wringing

00:52:40about whether

00:52:41or not to

00:52:41do,

00:52:42you know,

00:52:43on Smackdown,

00:52:44they did the

00:52:4410-bell salute

00:52:45where they had

00:52:45everybody come

00:52:46out on the

00:52:46stage.

00:52:46Tommaso Ciampa

00:52:47not wearing

00:52:48a shirt,

00:52:48by the way,

00:52:48which looked

00:52:49strange for

00:52:50a tribute

00:52:51to someone

00:52:51who just

00:52:51died.

00:52:53But do you

00:52:54think there

00:52:55were,

00:52:55because that,

00:52:57I wasn't sure

00:52:58they were going

00:52:58to,

00:52:58I mean,

00:52:59I had no doubt

00:52:59they were going

00:53:00to do a big

00:53:00tribute to Hogan

00:53:01maybe with a

00:53:02long video

00:53:03or something,

00:53:03but the actual

00:53:0410-bell salute,

00:53:05I wasn't sure

00:53:06they were going

00:53:06to do that

00:53:07because that

00:53:08puts everybody

00:53:08who's out there

00:53:09in an awkward

00:53:10position,

00:53:10right?

00:53:11Because then

00:53:12you're looking

00:53:13to tell

00:53:13some of

00:53:14them were

00:53:14in an awkward

00:53:15position.

00:53:15Some of

00:53:16them did

00:53:16look uncomfortable,

00:53:17didn't they?

00:53:18Yeah,

00:53:19Solo Sokoa,

00:53:21Jacob Fatu,

00:53:23there were

00:53:27others.

00:53:29Yeah,

00:53:29if you're a

00:53:30person of

00:53:30color,

00:53:30especially,

00:53:31right,

00:53:31how do you

00:53:32stand out

00:53:32there for

00:53:33this and

00:53:33not feel

00:53:34like,

00:53:35this is

00:53:36kind of

00:53:36weird,

00:53:37I don't

00:53:37know,

00:53:39I don't

00:53:41know if I

00:53:41should be

00:53:41here.

00:53:43looking up

00:53:43something to

00:53:44send so you

00:53:45can share

00:53:45it with

00:53:45the audience

00:53:48because it's

00:53:49very telling.

00:53:50Really?

00:53:51Very,

00:53:51very telling.

00:53:52And I'm

00:53:52wondering,

00:53:53too,

00:53:53and I say

00:53:54this only

00:53:54half kidding,

00:53:55do you think

00:53:56Tommaso Ciampa

00:53:57not wearing a

00:53:58shirt was some

00:53:58form of,

00:53:59like,

00:54:00was he sending

00:54:01a signal with

00:54:02that?

00:54:03Because that

00:54:03was weird.

00:54:05And I understand

00:54:06it's summertime

00:54:07and he's probably

00:54:07hot,

00:54:08but...

00:54:08Tommaso Ciampa's

00:54:09crazy.

00:54:10So,

00:54:12yeah,

00:54:13I know,

00:54:13guys,

00:54:14and nothing

00:54:15negative,

00:54:16just Tommaso Ciampa

00:54:17is a very

00:54:18weird bird.

00:54:21And so,

00:54:23I think you

00:54:25might be reading

00:54:26too much into

00:54:26it.

00:54:27Tommaso Ciampa

00:54:27was probably

00:54:28just like,

00:54:29I don't care.

00:54:30I just sent it

00:54:30to you on

00:54:31Facebook,

00:54:31Matt.

00:54:32Yeah,

00:54:33I'm grabbing

00:54:33it now.

00:54:34Let's see here.

00:54:35I had not

00:54:37seen this

00:54:39picture before,

00:54:39but glancing

00:54:40at it

00:54:41as I get

00:54:42it loaded

00:54:42up here,

00:54:43I see what

00:54:44you mean.

00:54:46So,

00:54:46there's

00:54:46Sola

00:54:47Sokoa,

00:54:48yeah.

00:54:49So,

00:54:49AJ Styles

00:54:49is in tears.

00:54:51Well,

00:54:52now,

00:54:53now,

00:54:54I need to

00:54:54jump in.

00:54:55Okay.

00:54:55We need to

00:54:56understand,

00:54:57when Hogan

00:54:58was in

00:54:58TNA

00:54:59wrestling,

00:55:01he really,

00:55:02I mean,

00:55:03AJ was

00:55:03over like

00:55:04Rover,

00:55:05but he

00:55:05got AJ

00:55:06over to

00:55:06another level.

00:55:08Yeah.

00:55:09Yeah.

00:55:09So,

00:55:10you know,

00:55:11to be fair

00:55:11to AJ

00:55:12Styles,

00:55:13Hogan

00:55:14probably did

00:55:14mean a lot

00:55:15to him.

00:55:16Sure,

00:55:16sure.

00:55:17That's fair.

00:55:17But,

00:55:18damn.

00:55:20But Solo

00:55:20Sokoa,

00:55:21the look on

00:55:21his face,

00:55:22that is not

00:55:23one of,

00:55:26he doesn't

00:55:26look like

00:55:27he's going

00:55:28to cry or

00:55:28anything,

00:55:29certainly.

00:55:29He looks

00:55:30like he's,

00:55:30like he doesn't

00:55:31want to be

00:55:31there.

00:55:32He looks

00:55:32like,

00:55:33the expression

00:55:35on his face,

00:55:36it reminds me

00:55:36how I would

00:55:37look when I

00:55:37was a kid

00:55:38when it was

00:55:38time to be

00:55:39dragged off

00:55:39to church

00:55:40on Sunday

00:55:40morning.

00:55:42Like,

00:55:42really?

00:55:43Yeah.

00:55:44Got to do

00:55:44this again

00:55:44this week?

00:55:45Yeah.

00:55:47Yeah.

00:55:47Yeah,

00:55:48he doesn't

00:55:49look,

00:55:49yeah,

00:55:49that's

00:55:50interesting.

00:55:51I mean,

00:55:52that should,

00:55:53that should

00:55:54tell you.

00:55:55A picture's

00:55:55worth a

00:55:56thousand words.

00:55:57It sure

00:55:57is.

00:55:58Wow.

00:56:00You,

00:56:00too.

00:56:01Yeah.

00:56:02Uh,

00:56:03let me see

00:56:03if I can

00:56:04find Jacob.

00:56:04Jacob

00:56:05Fatu's was

00:56:05interesting as

00:56:06well.

00:56:07Oh,

00:56:07really?

00:56:08Oh,

00:56:09I'd like to

00:56:09see that.

00:56:10Yeah.

00:56:11Um,

00:56:11yeah.

00:56:13Uh,

00:56:14I didn't

00:56:14see anybody

00:56:15wearing like

00:56:16Hogan

00:56:16armbands

00:56:17or anything

00:56:17like,

00:56:17you know

00:56:18how sometimes

00:56:18after somebody

00:56:19dies.

00:56:20Yeah,

00:56:21here it

00:56:21comes.

00:56:22Okay.

00:56:23Let's see.

00:56:24This is

00:56:24just,

00:56:25you know,

00:56:27Hey,

00:56:27we grabbed

00:56:28this picture

00:56:28here.

00:56:29Actually,

00:56:29I got to

00:56:30do it

00:56:30this way.

00:56:30That's

00:56:31okay.

00:56:31Uh,

00:56:32geez,

00:56:33I don't

00:56:33know what

00:56:33to make

00:56:33of that

00:56:34look.

00:56:35Let me

00:56:36grab this

00:56:37and put

00:56:37it up

00:56:37here for,

00:56:38uh,

00:56:39uh,

00:56:40people

00:56:40watching live

00:56:41here.

00:56:41I mean,

00:56:43look,

00:56:44uh,

00:56:44you know,

00:56:45Tony

00:56:45Shivani,

00:56:46um,

00:56:48had a

00:56:49very telling

00:56:49statement.

00:56:50So there's

00:56:51a,

00:56:51somebody said

00:56:53condolences

00:56:53to you,

00:56:54Tony,

00:56:54for the

00:56:55loss of

00:56:55your friend.

00:56:56And Tony

00:56:56said,

00:56:57friend,

00:56:58no,

00:56:59I saw

00:57:00that.

00:57:01Yes.

00:57:02I saw

00:57:02that.

00:57:02Yeah.

00:57:03Yeah.

00:57:04Yeah.

00:57:04Jacob,

00:57:05uh,

00:57:06I don't know

00:57:07what to make

00:57:07of that.

00:57:09I mean,

00:57:09and there you

00:57:10see Tommaso

00:57:10Champa,

00:57:11it looks

00:57:12like Tommaso

00:57:12Champa is

00:57:14staring for

00:57:15a way out

00:57:16of this.

00:57:17Yeah.

00:57:17Champa didn't

00:57:17look like he

00:57:18wanted to be

00:57:19there either.

00:57:20That's why I

00:57:21kind of wonder

00:57:21about the not

00:57:22wearing a

00:57:23shirt.

00:57:23Like I

00:57:24really do.

00:57:25I wonder,

00:57:26was that like

00:57:26his way of

00:57:27saying kind

00:57:28of like,

00:57:29I'm not

00:57:29really feeling

00:57:30this.

00:57:30I,

00:57:30uh,

00:57:31yeah,

00:57:31there's a

00:57:32lot of

00:57:33telling faces

00:57:34in there.

00:57:35If you look

00:57:36at the one

00:57:36right by

00:57:37Jacob Fatu.

00:57:38Let me go,

00:57:39let me go

00:57:39back to that.

00:57:40Uh,

00:57:40yeah.

00:57:42Um,

00:57:42which one?

00:57:44The girl,

00:57:45I can't really

00:57:46tell who it

00:57:47is,

00:57:47but if you

00:57:48see her

00:57:48facial expression,

00:57:50it looks like

00:57:51someone just

00:57:51let a fart

00:57:52go in church.

00:57:53Yeah.

00:57:54I'm not sure

00:57:54who that is

00:57:55either.

00:57:55I was trying

00:57:55to figure that

00:57:56out.

00:57:56Well,

00:57:56whoever it is,

00:57:57too,

00:57:57she looks

00:57:57really young.

00:57:58She might

00:57:58be like,

00:57:58who's

00:57:58Hulk Hogan?

00:58:00No,

00:58:00but,

00:58:01uh,

00:58:02why am I

00:58:03here?

00:58:04Yeah.

00:58:04Grandpa?

00:58:05Yeah.

00:58:08But yeah,

00:58:09Jacob Fatu,

00:58:09man,

00:58:10that's quite

00:58:10the look.

00:58:12I think he

00:58:12just,

00:58:13did nobody

00:58:14tell him it's

00:58:14okay to break

00:58:15character for

00:58:16this,

00:58:16maybe?

00:58:17He looks

00:58:17like he's

00:58:18thinking,

00:58:18yeah,

00:58:18all gas,

00:58:19no brakes.

00:58:21You know

00:58:21what I mean?

00:58:24Maybe it

00:58:25looks like he's

00:58:26thinking,

00:58:26fuck this

00:58:27guy,

00:58:28you know

00:58:28what I

00:58:28mean?

00:58:29Yeah.

00:58:32Just,

00:58:33oh,

00:58:34man.

00:58:35Maybe.

00:58:36Like I

00:58:37said,

00:58:38some of

00:58:38those,

00:58:39I saw

00:58:39the stills

00:58:40and I'm

00:58:40like,

00:58:41you can

00:58:41catch a

00:58:41still at

00:58:43the right

00:58:43time and

00:58:44use it

00:58:45any way

00:58:46you want

00:58:46to use

00:58:47it,

00:58:47but man.

00:58:49Yeah.

00:58:50Oh,

00:58:51good Lord.

00:58:52Good Lord.

00:58:54And I

00:58:55assume they'll

00:58:55do something

00:58:55on Raw

00:58:56tomorrow night

00:58:56too.

00:58:58Yeah.

00:58:58I'm sure

00:58:59they will.

00:58:59Yeah.

00:59:00Um,

00:59:01you know,

00:59:02uh,

00:59:03I wonder

00:59:04if CM

00:59:04Punk for

00:59:05SummerSlam

00:59:06will wear

00:59:06the red

00:59:06and yellow.

00:59:08Yeah,

00:59:09he's another,

00:59:09he hasn't

00:59:10said anything,

00:59:10right?

00:59:11He hasn't

00:59:11said anything

00:59:11publicly,

00:59:12right?

00:59:12No,

00:59:13and I

00:59:13doubt he

00:59:14will.

00:59:15Yeah.

00:59:15There's a,

00:59:16I was telling

00:59:17my cousin

00:59:18Austin about

00:59:19this.

00:59:19I'm like,

00:59:19I recall

00:59:20Roots of

00:59:22Fight,

00:59:22a high-end

00:59:23clothing company

00:59:24that does

00:59:24stuff for

00:59:25like clothing

00:59:26based on

00:59:27iconic

00:59:27athletes.

00:59:28SCM Punk

00:59:30to do

00:59:31a video

00:59:32talking good

00:59:33about Hulk

00:59:33Hogan

00:59:33and he

00:59:34just flat

00:59:35out said

00:59:35no.

00:59:36Yeah.

00:59:38Like,

00:59:39it wasn't

00:59:40even a

00:59:40discussion.

00:59:41I mean,

00:59:41CM Punk

00:59:42is a

00:59:43contracted

00:59:44athlete

00:59:44with Roots

00:59:45of Fight

00:59:46and he's

00:59:47like,

00:59:48no,

00:59:49I'm not

00:59:49doing

00:59:50that.

00:59:50No.

00:59:51So,

00:59:52now,

00:59:52there is

00:59:53a kind

00:59:53of a

00:59:53lingering

00:59:54question.

00:59:54I haven't

00:59:54seen this

00:59:55addressed

00:59:55anywhere,

00:59:56but what

00:59:56does,

00:59:57so what

00:59:57happens

00:59:57to,

00:59:58what the

01:00:00hell is

01:00:00it again?

01:00:01Real

01:00:01American

01:00:02freestyle.

01:00:03So what

01:00:04happens to

01:00:05that now?

01:00:05Because I'm

01:00:07pretty sure

01:00:07Hogan's not

01:00:08going to be

01:00:08there.

01:00:08Wow.

01:00:10What?

01:00:10No,

01:00:10I'm just

01:00:11saying.

01:00:12You

01:00:12think?

01:00:14You

01:00:14know,

01:00:15I think

01:00:15he could

01:00:18do a

01:00:19kick out

01:00:19at the

01:00:20hard

01:00:20two.

01:00:21Yeah,

01:00:21I think

01:00:21so.

01:00:22Yeah,

01:00:23like,

01:00:23because I

01:00:24saw this

01:00:25post and

01:00:25I shared

01:00:26it with

01:00:26you,

01:00:26Matt.

01:00:27That's

01:00:27like,

01:00:28Hogan's

01:00:28got to

01:00:29be cremated

01:00:29because no

01:00:30way is he

01:00:31going to

01:00:31let dirt

01:00:32get over

01:00:32on him.

01:00:35He

01:00:36ain't

01:00:36going to

01:00:36put dirt

01:00:37over.

01:00:38That's

01:00:39right.

01:00:39That's

01:00:40right.

01:00:40That doesn't

01:00:40work for

01:00:41him,

01:00:41brother.

01:00:43But yeah,

01:00:44so I have

01:00:45you seen

01:00:45anything about

01:00:46that?

01:00:46What happens

01:00:46to that?

01:00:47Going

01:00:47forward.

01:00:48Look,

01:00:49I said

01:00:50this,

01:00:50I have a

01:00:51theory.

01:00:52They could

01:00:52really use

01:00:53this to

01:00:54their

01:00:54advantage.

01:00:55Yeah.

01:00:56They could

01:00:56do a

01:00:56Hulk Hogan

01:00:57tribute

01:00:58show for

01:00:59their first

01:00:59show and

01:01:01tie it into

01:01:01Ben Askren's

01:01:02health problems.

01:01:05Yeah.

01:01:07Proceeds go

01:01:08to Ben

01:01:08Askren.

01:01:10Okay.

01:01:11I mean,

01:01:12money in

01:01:13the bank,

01:01:13dude,

01:01:13you could

01:01:14bring all

01:01:14those guys

01:01:15that the

01:01:16legends that

01:01:17were there

01:01:17do a

01:01:18meet and

01:01:18greet with

01:01:19them at

01:01:20the event.

01:01:20If you

01:01:20have a

01:01:21ticket.

01:01:22Yeah.

01:01:22Okay.

01:01:24Well,

01:01:25I think

01:01:26that whole

01:01:26thing is

01:01:27going to

01:01:27go away

01:01:27pretty

01:01:28quickly.

01:01:30By the

01:01:30way,

01:01:30we do

01:01:31have some

01:01:31comments.

01:01:32So on

01:01:32our

01:01:32Facebook

01:01:33feed on

01:01:33my page,

01:01:35oh boy,

01:01:36okay.

01:01:37And these

01:01:37don't show

01:01:37up in our

01:01:38regular chat

01:01:38room and I

01:01:39don't know

01:01:39why.

01:01:39So I

01:01:40don't,

01:01:40sometimes I

01:01:41don't see

01:01:41them until

01:01:41afterwards.

01:01:42So I

01:01:42apologize.

01:01:43Let's

01:01:46see.

01:01:47A couple

01:01:48of these

01:01:48are pretty

01:01:49specific to

01:01:50that moment

01:01:50in time

01:01:51during the

01:01:51program.

01:01:52But Crystal

01:01:53points out

01:01:54Hulk could

01:01:54have been

01:01:55booed for

01:01:55multiple

01:01:55reasons in

01:01:56LA.

01:01:57I agree.

01:02:00And Rocky

01:02:01Uber points

01:02:02out Hogan

01:02:02fell hard as

01:02:03soon as he

01:02:04used the

01:02:04hard R

01:02:05LOL.

01:02:06Yeah.

01:02:06I mean,

01:02:07that's,

01:02:07that's really

01:02:07what wrecked

01:02:08is a

01:02:08legacy.

01:02:09Yeah.

01:02:10Yeah.

01:02:11That's a

01:02:12I mean,

01:02:12a lot of

01:02:13the other

01:02:13stuff could

01:02:14be forgotten,

01:02:15but that,

01:02:16that one

01:02:16moment,

01:02:16I mean,

01:02:17this is no

01:02:17taking it

01:02:17back and he

01:02:18never was

01:02:18sufficiently

01:02:19contrite for

01:02:20it.

01:02:20And he

01:02:21never seemed

01:02:21to understand.

01:02:22That's the

01:02:22thing too.

01:02:23Like he

01:02:23couldn't,

01:02:24the thing

01:02:25about that

01:02:25is too,

01:02:26there's no

01:02:26excuse for

01:02:27not being

01:02:28able to

01:02:29navigate some

01:02:30sort of way

01:02:31afterward,

01:02:31like do,

01:02:32do the

01:02:32apology tour and

01:02:33everything,

01:02:33because there's,

01:02:34there's plenty

01:02:35of previous

01:02:35examples.

01:02:36I mean,

01:02:36we live in a

01:02:37world where

01:02:37the bounty

01:02:39hunter.

01:02:40Yeah.

01:02:40like Hogan

01:02:42follow that

01:02:45blueprint.

01:02:47Or Don

01:02:48Imus is

01:02:48another example.

01:02:50I,

01:02:50you know,

01:02:51he,

01:02:51let's not,

01:02:53let's not,

01:02:54cause I,

01:02:55I,

01:02:55I'm,

01:02:56I'm going to

01:02:56say it.

01:02:57Fuck it.

01:02:57I don't think

01:02:58what Don

01:02:58Imus said was

01:02:59that bad.

01:03:00I think,

01:03:01well,

01:03:01it's certainly

01:03:02nowhere near as

01:03:03bad as,

01:03:03I mean,

01:03:04a racial joke

01:03:05is not the

01:03:06same as

01:03:06genuine hate.

01:03:09I agree with

01:03:10you there.

01:03:10If you're going

01:03:12to look at

01:03:12things Don

01:03:13Imus said

01:03:14in the past,

01:03:16in comparison

01:03:17to that,

01:03:19I think he

01:03:20said it

01:03:21about a

01:03:23group,

01:03:23a feel-good

01:03:24story at

01:03:25the time,

01:03:26and that

01:03:27is why,

01:03:28because people

01:03:29forget,

01:03:29Sid Greenberg

01:03:30said something

01:03:31that I thought

01:03:33was more

01:03:34heinous.

01:03:34Yeah,

01:03:36I mean,

01:03:37so,

01:03:39I don't,

01:03:41yeah,

01:03:41it's,

01:03:42yeah,

01:03:42I mean,

01:03:42that's a

01:03:43more complicated

01:03:43example,

01:03:45but,

01:03:46especially where

01:03:46it was in

01:03:47Imus's contract

01:03:47with CBS

01:03:48Sports,

01:03:48and he was

01:03:48supposed to

01:03:49be edgy,

01:03:49but he

01:03:50just,

01:03:50he went

01:03:50too far

01:03:51with that.

01:03:51I,

01:03:51I mean,

01:03:52I thought

01:03:52Sid Greenberg's

01:03:54statement was

01:03:55worse.

01:03:57The more I

01:03:58see the

01:03:58Rutgers women's

01:03:59team,

01:03:59the more they

01:04:00look like the

01:04:00Toronto Raptors.

01:04:02Yeah,

01:04:03yeah.

01:04:03it's like

01:04:05we're going

01:04:06to focus

01:04:07on two

01:04:08words that

01:04:09are in

01:04:09rap lyrics.

01:04:11Yeah,

01:04:12but,

01:04:13but,

01:04:13no,

01:04:14I know,

01:04:14but,

01:04:14but the

01:04:15point is,

01:04:15though,

01:04:16the blueprint

01:04:16was there

01:04:17for Hogan

01:04:18to follow.

01:04:19Yeah,

01:04:20you do the

01:04:20apology tour

01:04:21and what's

01:04:22funny about

01:04:23that,

01:04:23too,

01:04:24him and

01:04:24Dog the

01:04:25bounty hunter

01:04:25had a

01:04:26friendship.

01:04:27Oh,

01:04:27I didn't

01:04:28know that.

01:04:28I didn't

01:04:28know they

01:04:28were friends.

01:04:31Well,

01:04:32I bet they

01:04:32had,

01:04:32I bet

01:04:34they had

01:04:34some

01:04:34interesting

01:04:34conversations

01:04:35because

01:04:36that don't

01:04:37don't

01:04:37don't go

01:04:38down that

01:04:38road.

01:04:39Coming back

01:04:39to me now,

01:04:40why was

01:04:40Dog upset?

01:04:42Same kind

01:04:42of thing,

01:04:42right?

01:04:43Interracial

01:04:44and interracial

01:04:45relationship.

01:04:46Oh,

01:04:46we are

01:04:46in his family.

01:04:48I'd completely

01:04:49forgot about this

01:04:50until you brought

01:04:50it up.

01:04:50But yeah,

01:04:51same thing,

01:04:52right?

01:04:53Birds of a

01:04:53feather,

01:04:53Hogan and

01:04:54Dog.

01:04:55He,

01:04:56I,

01:04:57look,

01:04:58Dog.

01:04:59Birds of a

01:04:59feather.

01:05:00He's dead,

01:05:00right?

01:05:01Did he die?

01:05:01The dog,

01:05:03the dog,

01:05:03the dog.

01:05:03His wife died.

01:05:04His wife died.

01:05:05Dog is still alive.

01:05:07Yeah,

01:05:07I don't know how,

01:05:08but Dog is still

01:05:09with us.

01:05:10Yeah.

01:05:10You know,

01:05:11I do believe Dog

01:05:13was truly contrite

01:05:14in his apology.

01:05:16Like,

01:05:17because if you

01:05:18listen to him,

01:05:19even now when he

01:05:20talks about it,

01:05:21he literally

01:05:22is saying,

01:05:23I had no

01:05:26understanding

01:05:26that it was

01:05:28wrong.

01:05:29And if you

01:05:30listen to the

01:05:31way he

01:05:31interacted with

01:05:32the people in

01:05:33Hawaii,

01:05:34especially Kona,

01:05:36which is a

01:05:37very crime-ridden

01:05:40area,

01:05:41you can see

01:05:42why he would

01:05:43legitimately

01:05:44think he

01:05:47had the

01:05:48hood

01:05:49pass.

01:05:50so I

01:05:53think the

01:05:53situation,

01:05:54now I don't

01:05:55condone what

01:05:56Dog did.

01:05:57No,

01:05:57no,

01:05:57no.

01:05:58But I'm

01:05:59saying the

01:06:00explanation is

01:06:02more feasible

01:06:03than Hogan's.

01:06:05I don't know

01:06:05if I even,

01:06:06I don't know

01:06:07if I believe

01:06:08that he was,

01:06:09I don't know

01:06:10what I think

01:06:11of Dog's

01:06:11apology and

01:06:12whether he

01:06:12was truly

01:06:12contrite or

01:06:13not,

01:06:14but,

01:06:15but at least

01:06:16he tried.

01:06:18Like,

01:06:18Hogan didn't

01:06:18even try.

01:06:20Hogan did

01:06:21it once

01:06:22after WWE

01:06:24fired him.

01:06:26Wiped him,

01:06:27people forget

01:06:27that,

01:06:28they wiped

01:06:28him out of

01:06:29the Hall

01:06:29of Fame.

01:06:30Yep.

01:06:31Who could

01:06:31not,

01:06:32you typed

01:06:32his name

01:06:33in on the

01:06:34WWE

01:06:34search bar

01:06:36and nothing

01:06:37came up.

01:06:38Oh yeah.

01:06:39They whitewashed

01:06:40him.

01:06:41Yep,

01:06:41yep,

01:06:42yeah,

01:06:42they buried

01:06:43him for a

01:06:43while.

01:06:45So,

01:06:46you,

01:06:48and then

01:06:49he,

01:06:50like,

01:06:50it took

01:06:50a couple,

01:06:51it took

01:06:51about six

01:06:53months and

01:06:54then he

01:06:54goes and

01:06:54he does

01:06:55this public

01:06:56apology,

01:06:57but then

01:06:58he has to

01:06:58go and

01:06:59apologize to

01:06:59his peers

01:07:00and

01:07:01nothing.

01:07:03Yeah.

01:07:04And Hogan,

01:07:06dumb fuck,

01:07:08listen,

01:07:09you don't know

01:07:11who's recording,

01:07:12brother.

01:07:12Yes,

01:07:13you do.

01:07:13You were on

01:07:13a jailhouse line,

01:07:15stupid.

01:07:16When he was

01:07:17talking to his

01:07:17son,

01:07:17Nick,

01:07:17you're on

01:07:19a jail

01:07:20line,

01:07:20it's

01:07:21recorded.

01:07:23Yeah.

01:07:24Dumbass.

01:07:25For those,

01:07:26so for those,

01:07:27we should also

01:07:27clarify that

01:07:28for people

01:07:28who don't

01:07:28know,

01:07:29when Nick

01:07:29Hogan

01:07:30was in a

01:07:32car accident

01:07:32driving very

01:07:33recklessly.

01:07:34I'm going to

01:07:34touch on that

01:07:35after you're

01:07:35done,

01:07:36Matt,

01:07:36because there's

01:07:36something that

01:07:37adds to the

01:07:38character flaw

01:07:40of Terry

01:07:40Balea.

01:07:41Yeah.

01:07:42Big with that.

01:07:43Well,

01:07:43yeah.

01:07:43And Nick's

01:07:44friend,

01:07:45Josh Graziano,

01:07:46I think

01:07:46was his

01:07:47name.

01:07:48John.

01:07:48John Graziano

01:07:49was in the

01:07:51passenger seat

01:07:51and ended

01:07:53up on

01:07:53just a

01:07:54terrible,

01:07:55I think

01:07:55Nick was

01:07:56fine,

01:07:57but John

01:07:58Graziano

01:07:59ended up,

01:08:00I believe,

01:08:00is he still

01:08:01alive today?

01:08:02Yes,

01:08:03paraplegic.

01:08:04He's a

01:08:04paraplegic.

01:08:05He was in a

01:08:06vegetative state

01:08:06at one point,

01:08:07wasn't he?

01:08:08No,

01:08:08I think he's

01:08:08actually a

01:08:09quadriplegic.

01:08:10He's a

01:08:10quadriplegic,

01:08:11okay.

01:08:12Yeah,

01:08:12he has no

01:08:13movement from

01:08:14neck down.

01:08:15Yeah,

01:08:15yeah,

01:08:16and Nick

01:08:17went to

01:08:17prison for

01:08:19that because

01:08:20he caused

01:08:21it.

01:08:21Yep,

01:08:22yep.

01:08:23People don't

01:08:24know how

01:08:24hard it is

01:08:25in prison.

01:08:26I saw so

01:08:27many horrible

01:08:28things.

01:08:29Yeah,

01:08:29how about

01:08:30your friend

01:08:31who can't

01:08:31talk?

01:08:32Yeah,

01:08:33exactly.

01:08:34Yeah,

01:08:34and this,

01:08:36you know,

01:08:36Hogan victim

01:08:37shamed the

01:08:38guy.

01:08:39I know.

01:08:40Like,

01:08:41he's like,

01:08:42this was

01:08:42pretty low.

01:08:43It's his

01:08:44fault because

01:08:44he wasn't

01:08:45wearing a

01:08:45seatbelt.

01:08:47Yeah,

01:08:47didn't he also

01:08:49say to Nick

01:08:49on one of

01:08:51those calls

01:08:51that it

01:08:52was karma,

01:08:54that John

01:08:54had probably

01:08:55done something

01:08:56really terrible,

01:08:57if not in

01:08:57this life,

01:08:57maybe in a

01:08:58past life,

01:08:59and this

01:08:59was karma

01:08:59catching up

01:09:00to him?

01:09:01Yeah,

01:09:01and on that

01:09:02same call,

01:09:03he said,

01:09:04my fear is

01:09:05that when I

01:09:05die,

01:09:06I'll be

01:09:06resurrected

01:09:06as a

01:09:07black person.

01:09:08I didn't

01:09:09know he

01:09:09said that

01:09:10on that

01:09:11call.

01:09:11Wow.

01:09:11Let me get

01:09:12that direct

01:09:12quote.

01:09:13Oh my

01:09:14God.

01:09:15Yeah.

01:09:16Yeah.

01:09:17So for

01:09:18anyone who

01:09:19at this

01:09:19point is

01:09:19puzzled as

01:09:20to why

01:09:21Solo

01:09:21Sokoa

01:09:21looked like

01:09:22he didn't

01:09:22want to

01:09:22be there

01:09:23for the

01:09:2410-bell

01:09:25salute,

01:09:27you know,

01:09:27here's

01:09:27why.

01:09:30Jeez.

01:09:30I don't

01:09:31know if I

01:09:31even knew

01:09:33that part

01:09:33that he

01:09:33had said

01:09:34that.

01:09:35Yeah.

01:09:35He said

01:09:36so he

01:09:38was

01:09:38teaching

01:09:39his

01:09:39so

01:09:39obviously

01:09:39he had

01:09:40raised

01:09:40his

01:09:40son

01:09:40to be

01:09:41racist

01:09:42as well,

01:09:43I assume.

01:09:43Yes.

01:09:46Also

01:09:46dreading

01:09:47the idea

01:09:48that his

01:09:48son's

01:09:49arrest

01:09:49could mean

01:09:49that the

01:09:50two could

01:09:50be

01:09:50reincarnated

01:09:51as

01:09:51black

01:09:52man.

01:09:53Jeez.

01:09:53Black

01:09:53man.

01:09:54Good

01:09:54Lord.

01:09:55Was there

01:09:55any context

01:09:56for that

01:09:56or did

01:09:56he just

01:09:57blurt

01:09:57that out

01:09:57during

01:09:58the

01:09:58call?

01:09:59Like

01:09:59what?

01:10:01Because

01:10:01that's

01:10:02interesting

01:10:03too.

01:10:03If

01:10:03somebody

01:10:03goes out

01:10:04of his

01:10:04because

01:10:05what could

01:10:05have

01:10:05possibly

01:10:05been

01:10:06the

01:10:06context

01:10:06I mean

01:10:07if

01:10:07he

01:10:07just

01:10:08to

01:10:08just

01:10:08say

01:10:08something

01:10:09like

01:10:09that

01:10:10here

01:10:11is

01:10:12the

01:10:12direct

01:10:12quote

01:10:13okay

01:10:13you know

01:10:14that

01:10:14God

01:10:14gave

01:10:14you

01:10:15this

01:10:15vibe

01:10:15and

01:10:16this

01:10:16energy

01:10:17that

01:10:17you

01:10:18and

01:10:18I

01:10:18are

01:10:19going

01:10:19to

01:10:19live

01:10:19forever

01:10:20bro

01:10:20he

01:10:21said

01:10:21I

01:10:22just

01:10:22hope

01:10:22we

01:10:22don't

01:10:23come

01:10:23back

01:10:23as

01:10:23a

01:10:24couple

01:10:24I

01:10:24don't

01:10:25want

01:10:25to

01:10:25say

01:10:25it

01:10:26blizz

01:10:26that

01:10:26his

01:10:27eyes

01:10:27you know

01:10:28what

01:10:28I'm

01:10:28saying

01:10:29brutal

01:10:30Nick

01:10:31responded

01:10:31after

01:10:32they

01:10:32both

01:10:32laughed

01:10:33my

01:10:34God

01:10:34yeah

01:10:35your

01:10:35mother

01:10:36yeah

01:10:36and

01:10:37Hogan

01:10:37also

01:10:38talked

01:10:38to

01:10:38Nick

01:10:38about

01:10:39possibly

01:10:39being

01:10:39transferred

01:10:40from

01:10:40the

01:10:41adult

01:10:41jail

01:10:41the

01:10:41juvenile

01:10:42hall

01:10:42it's

01:10:43down

01:10:43in

01:10:43St.

01:10:44Pete

01:10:44and

01:10:44it's

01:10:44mixed

01:10:45race

01:10:45and

01:10:45we

01:10:45get

01:10:46along

01:10:46with

01:10:46everybody

01:10:47so

01:10:47that's

01:10:47fine

01:10:48Nick

01:10:48said

01:10:48Hulk

01:10:49said

01:10:49your

01:10:49mom

01:10:49went

01:10:50there

01:10:50and

01:10:50said

01:10:50it

01:10:50was

01:10:50mainly

01:10:51blizz

01:10:51you know

01:10:52what

01:10:52I'm

01:10:52says

01:10:52Zane

01:10:53fuck

01:10:55all right

01:10:59well

01:10:59yeah

01:11:00yeah

01:11:00here's

01:11:01his

01:11:01apology

01:11:02eight

01:11:03years

01:11:04ago

01:11:04I

01:11:04used

01:11:05offensive

01:11:05language

01:11:06there

01:11:06is

01:11:07no

01:11:07excuse

01:11:07and

01:11:08I

01:11:08apologize

01:11:09good

01:11:10well

01:11:10at least

01:11:10after

01:11:11eight

01:11:11years

01:11:11he

01:11:12was

01:11:12able

01:11:12to

01:11:12muster

01:11:12that

01:11:13up

01:11:13good

01:11:13for

01:11:13him

01:11:14good

01:11:15for

01:11:15him

01:11:16only

01:11:16took

01:11:16eight

01:11:16years

01:11:17eight

01:11:18years

01:11:19yeah

01:11:21so

01:11:22for

01:11:22people

01:11:22who

01:11:23love

01:11:23Hulk

01:11:24Hogan

01:11:24who

01:11:24don't

01:11:24understand

01:11:25why

01:11:25anyone

01:11:26would

01:11:26have

01:11:26a

01:11:26you know

01:11:27a bad

01:11:27thing

01:11:28to say

01:11:28or why

01:11:29maybe we

01:11:30approach

01:11:30this with

01:11:31some nuance

01:11:32here's

01:11:33why

01:11:34just

01:11:37yeah

01:11:39yeah

01:11:40yeah

01:11:41I've

01:11:43gotten

01:11:43I've

01:11:44gotten

01:11:44here

01:11:45I'm

01:11:46gonna

01:11:46try to

01:11:46bring

01:11:47him

01:11:47on

01:11:47screen

01:11:47with

01:11:47us

01:11:48come

01:11:48here

01:11:48I

01:11:48have

01:11:50gotten

01:11:50a better

01:11:50apology

01:11:51from

01:11:51this

01:11:52guy

01:11:52after

01:11:53he

01:11:53pees

01:11:54in

01:11:54the

01:11:54house

01:11:54really

01:11:55than

01:11:55that

01:11:56yeah

01:11:57come

01:11:58here

01:11:59you're

01:11:59not

01:11:59in

01:11:59trouble

01:11:59and

01:12:01it

01:12:01doesn't

01:12:01take him

01:12:02eight

01:12:02years

01:12:02obviously

01:12:02no

01:12:04no

01:12:05it's

01:12:06feeding

01:12:07time

01:12:08is

01:12:08pretty

01:12:08much

01:12:09when

01:12:09it's

01:12:09apology

01:12:10time

01:12:10yeah

01:12:11well

01:12:12we've

01:12:12been

01:12:12yeah

01:12:13this

01:12:13is

01:12:13wow

01:12:14this

01:12:14has

01:12:14actually

01:12:14been

01:12:15well

01:12:15over

01:12:15an

01:12:15hour

01:12:16is

01:12:16there

01:12:17anything

01:12:17else

01:12:17we

01:12:17want

01:12:17to

01:12:17say

01:12:18about

01:12:19Hulk

01:12:19Hogan

01:12:19this

01:12:20week

01:12:20or

01:12:20my

01:12:21thoughts

01:12:22and

01:12:22condolences

01:12:23go

01:12:23out

01:12:24to

01:12:25his

01:12:25friends

01:12:25and

01:12:25family

01:12:26anyway

01:12:27let me

01:12:27just

01:12:27ask

01:12:28you

01:12:28this

01:12:28maybe

01:12:28this

01:12:29is

01:12:29kind

01:12:29of

01:12:29how

01:12:29we'll

01:12:29put

01:12:29a button

01:12:30on

01:12:30it

01:12:30what

01:12:31did

01:12:31you

01:12:31feel

01:12:32when

01:12:32you

01:12:32learned

01:12:32like

01:12:33what

01:12:33was

01:12:33your

01:12:33gut

01:12:34reaction

01:12:34when

01:12:34you

01:12:34learned

01:12:34that

01:12:35he

01:12:35passed

01:12:35away

01:12:35and

01:12:36then

01:12:36I'll

01:12:36tell

01:12:36you

01:12:36mine

01:12:36do

01:12:37you

01:12:37want

01:12:37brutal

01:12:37honesty

01:12:38I

01:12:38do

01:12:39yeah

01:12:39absolutely

01:12:40one

01:12:41less

01:12:41piece

01:12:41of

01:12:41shit

01:12:41in

01:12:42society

01:12:42wow

01:12:43mine

01:12:45was a bit

01:12:45more

01:12:45nuanced

01:12:46no

01:12:47I

01:12:48oh

01:12:49go ahead

01:12:50to

01:12:51embellish

01:12:51on that

01:12:52just so

01:12:53again

01:12:53I'm not

01:12:54painted

01:12:54as this

01:12:55disrespectful

01:12:56hard-hearted

01:12:57person

01:12:58when

01:12:58Ozzy Osbourne

01:12:59died earlier

01:13:00in the week

01:13:01I actually

01:13:02shed a couple

01:13:03tears

01:13:04um

01:13:05look

01:13:07for me

01:13:08it's

01:13:09my personal

01:13:11opinion

01:13:12the

01:13:13bad

01:13:15far

01:13:16far

01:13:17outweighed

01:13:18the good

01:13:18that I felt

01:13:19towards him

01:13:20and any

01:13:21good memories

01:13:22I had of him

01:13:23as a professional

01:13:23wrestler

01:13:24um

01:13:26I think

01:13:27you are

01:13:28a low

01:13:29low

01:13:30low

01:13:32human being

01:13:33if you

01:13:34are a

01:13:35man

01:13:35and you

01:13:36are the

01:13:36provider

01:13:37of your

01:13:37family

01:13:38to

01:13:39psychologically

01:13:40abuse

01:13:42your

01:13:42daughter

01:13:43and wife

01:13:44yeah

01:13:45oh

01:13:45absolutely

01:13:46I think

01:13:48if you

01:13:49admit to

01:13:50being a

01:13:51racist

01:13:51and

01:13:54then you

01:13:55give a

01:13:55boilerplate

01:13:56apology

01:13:57you're a

01:13:58piece of

01:13:58garbage

01:13:58yeah

01:13:59I think

01:14:01if you

01:14:02cost

01:14:03your

01:14:03co-workers

01:14:04millions

01:14:05of dollars

01:14:06in benefits

01:14:07and protection

01:14:07because

01:14:09you

01:14:10didn't want

01:14:11to lose

01:14:11all of your

01:14:12money

01:14:12in what a

01:14:13union would

01:14:13do

01:14:14you're a

01:14:14piece of

01:14:15shit

01:14:15and

01:14:17that's

01:14:18the

01:14:19crux

01:14:20of Hulk Hogan

01:14:22right there

01:14:23is

01:14:24I feel

01:14:26the character

01:14:27of Terry

01:14:28Bollea

01:14:28far supersedes

01:14:29any good

01:14:30Hulk Hogan

01:14:31ever did

01:14:32that's why

01:14:34I felt

01:14:34good

01:14:35one less

01:14:36piece of

01:14:37crap on

01:14:38this earth

01:14:38yeah

01:14:39I appreciate

01:14:40your honesty

01:14:41about it

01:14:41my feelings

01:14:43are a little

01:14:44different

01:14:44I felt

01:14:45a little

01:14:46bit numb

01:14:46because

01:14:47you know

01:14:50obviously

01:14:50I mean

01:14:51I agree

01:14:52with every

01:14:52single negative

01:14:54thing that you've

01:14:55said about

01:14:55him about

01:14:56Terry Bollea

01:14:57I absolutely

01:14:58agree with

01:14:58but it was

01:15:00a little

01:15:01different for

01:15:01me just

01:15:02you know

01:15:02thinking about

01:15:03like it was

01:15:03like I said

01:15:04on that

01:15:04Facebook post

01:15:05the other

01:15:05day I said

01:15:06you know

01:15:06Hogan loomed

01:15:07as a character

01:15:08the character

01:15:09of Hulk Hogan

01:15:09loomed so

01:15:10large in my

01:15:11childhood

01:15:11you know

01:15:13and then of

01:15:13course that

01:15:14that big

01:15:14second wind

01:15:15he had

01:15:15that was

01:15:16so important

01:15:16in wrestling

01:15:17during the

01:15:18NWO period

01:15:19and everything

01:15:19which is my

01:15:20favorite

01:15:20that was my

01:15:21favorite version

01:15:22of Hulk Hogan

01:15:22Hollywood Hogan

01:15:23and and it's

01:15:25it's hard for

01:15:25me to

01:15:26it's almost

01:15:28hard

01:15:29well it's

01:15:30it's hard for

01:15:31me not to

01:15:31compartmentalize

01:15:32that a little

01:15:32bit and

01:15:33and so I

01:15:34but the other

01:15:35thing is too

01:15:36and you've

01:15:37heard me say

01:15:38this

01:15:38kind of

01:15:39joking

01:15:40I'm going to

01:15:42say something

01:15:42familiar that

01:15:43you've heard

01:15:43me say

01:15:43before but

01:15:44I'm not

01:15:45actually joking

01:15:46when I say

01:15:46it I

01:15:47usually say

01:15:47it when we

01:15:48talk about

01:15:48a certain

01:15:48individual we

01:15:49make fun

01:15:49of but

01:15:50but once

01:15:51someone passes

01:15:52away that

01:15:54that's it

01:15:55there's no

01:15:56more chance

01:15:56for redemption

01:15:57and I wish

01:15:59that Hulk Hogan

01:15:59at some

01:16:00point could

01:16:01have finally

01:16:02figured it

01:16:03out and

01:16:05said you

01:16:06know I

01:16:07I said

01:16:07some really

01:16:08hurtful

01:16:08things

01:16:09that are

01:16:11racist and

01:16:12I regret

01:16:13not only

01:16:14saying those

01:16:16things and

01:16:16the negative

01:16:17impact that

01:16:18those words

01:16:18have but I

01:16:19also regret

01:16:20that the

01:16:21impact that

01:16:22that has on

01:16:23my legacy

01:16:24the character

01:16:25of Hulk Hogan

01:16:25because I

01:16:26Terry Bollea

01:16:27in those moments

01:16:29was not living

01:16:30up to the

01:16:30character of

01:16:31Hulk Hogan

01:16:32and Hulk Hogan

01:16:32is for

01:16:33everybody

01:16:33Hulk Hogan

01:16:34doesn't care

01:16:35what color

01:16:35you are

01:16:35Hulk Hogan

01:16:36is for

01:16:36everybody

01:16:37I wish

01:16:38I wish

01:16:39he could

01:16:40have somehow

01:16:40someday

01:16:41some way

01:16:42gotten

01:16:44to that

01:16:45I agree

01:16:46I can't

01:16:48agree with

01:16:48you more

01:16:49and now

01:16:50and now

01:16:50it's too

01:16:51late

01:16:51and that

01:16:52makes me

01:16:52that makes

01:16:53me sad

01:16:53you know

01:16:55I'm gonna

01:16:55kind of put

01:16:56a bow on

01:16:57my feelings

01:16:57and it's

01:16:58something I've

01:16:59said before

01:16:59on the show

01:17:00even about

01:17:01him

01:17:01but I'm

01:17:03gonna add

01:17:03something to

01:17:04it right

01:17:04here

01:17:04the money

01:17:06he took

01:17:06for years

01:17:07had only

01:17:08one color

01:17:09green

01:17:10and it

01:17:11didn't matter

01:17:12what color

01:17:13he took

01:17:13it from

01:17:13you mean

01:17:16I would

01:17:17guarantee

01:17:17you that

01:17:18same amount

01:17:19of African

01:17:20American kids

01:17:21had their

01:17:23parents buy

01:17:23Hulk Hogan

01:17:24merchandise

01:17:25as white

01:17:26people

01:17:27because

01:17:28wrestling

01:17:29is not

01:17:30progressive

01:17:30there wasn't

01:17:31a black

01:17:32hero in

01:17:33wrestling

01:17:34in the

01:17:3480s

01:17:35yeah

01:17:36they were

01:17:36given

01:17:36Ron Simmons

01:17:37but

01:17:39there were

01:17:39I mean

01:17:40not like

01:17:41Hulk Hogan

01:17:42level

01:17:43right

01:17:43yeah

01:17:44exactly

01:17:44yeah

01:17:45so my

01:17:46point is

01:17:47that

01:17:48Hulk Hogan

01:17:48was it

01:17:49you know

01:17:50and so

01:17:51he had no

01:17:51problem

01:17:52taking that

01:17:52money

01:17:53right

01:17:54no matter

01:17:55who

01:17:55gave it

01:17:56to him

01:17:56and

01:17:58my

01:17:58final

01:17:58point

01:17:59is

01:17:59what

01:18:01did

01:18:02Hulk Hogan

01:18:03Terry

01:18:04Bollea

01:18:04ever give

01:18:05back to

01:18:05the business

01:18:06people like

01:18:07oh his

01:18:07injuries

01:18:08and

01:18:09any

01:18:10man or

01:18:12woman

01:18:12anybody

01:18:13who steps

01:18:14into those

01:18:14rings

01:18:15is giving

01:18:16their body

01:18:16to this

01:18:17business

01:18:17that's

01:18:18nothing

01:18:19special

01:18:19this business

01:18:21gave Hulk Hogan

01:18:22so much

01:18:22when did

01:18:23he pass

01:18:24the torch

01:18:24when did

01:18:26he

01:18:27genuinely

01:18:28let his

01:18:29generation

01:18:29go away

01:18:30and get

01:18:31pass the

01:18:32torch on

01:18:32people forget

01:18:34when he

01:18:34wrestled

01:18:35Shawn Michaels

01:18:36in 2005

01:18:38he

01:18:39politicked

01:18:40to get

01:18:40over

01:18:41yeah

01:18:42it was

01:18:42supposed to

01:18:43be a

01:18:43three match

01:18:44supposed to

01:18:45be a

01:18:46trilogy

01:18:46yeah

01:18:47and Shawn

01:18:47was gonna

01:18:48go over

01:18:48after the

01:18:49first match

01:18:50and Hogan

01:18:50goes over

01:18:51Hogan puts

01:18:51the kibosh

01:18:52on it

01:18:53yeah

01:18:53so

01:18:55the business

01:18:57gave him

01:18:58everything

01:19:00he is not

01:19:01at the level

01:19:03he's at

01:19:03without

01:19:03professional

01:19:04wrestling

01:19:05right

01:19:06I mean

01:19:06because

01:19:06I know

01:19:07that

01:19:08Metallica

01:19:08bass player

01:19:09audition

01:19:10didn't pan

01:19:10out

01:19:11yeah

01:19:12because it

01:19:13never

01:19:13fucking

01:19:14happened

01:19:15right

01:19:15yeah

01:19:16that's

01:19:17something

01:19:17we didn't

01:19:17talk about

01:19:18but

01:19:18I think

01:19:19everyone

01:19:19knows

01:19:19that

01:19:20by now

01:19:20Hogan

01:19:20was such

01:19:20a lot

01:19:21Hogan

01:19:21made up

01:19:22so many

01:19:22stories

01:19:23over the

01:19:24years

01:19:24in different

01:19:25interviews

01:19:25he said

01:19:25how he

01:19:26broke

01:19:28Dick Slater's

01:19:30arm

01:19:31in Japan

01:19:33yeah I don't even

01:19:35know that story

01:19:35not but I'm sure

01:19:36it didn't happen

01:19:37because

01:19:37no

01:19:38Dick Slater

01:19:39would have

01:19:39killed him

01:19:40if Hogan

01:19:40said it

01:19:41there's a good

01:19:41chance it

01:19:42didn't really

01:19:42happen

01:19:42yeah

01:19:43I know

01:19:43he was a

01:19:44notorious

01:19:44liar

01:19:44that's

01:19:45that's

01:19:45another

01:19:45big thing

01:19:46said

01:19:46another

01:19:46one

01:19:47how

01:19:47Brody

01:19:48feared

01:19:48him

01:19:49yeah

01:19:49we could

01:19:50do a

01:19:51whole

01:19:51episode

01:19:51on

01:19:51Hogan's

01:19:52lies

01:19:52like

01:19:53where

01:19:54does

01:19:55this

01:19:55crap

01:19:55even

01:19:56come

01:19:56from

01:19:57I know

01:19:57yeah

01:19:58um

01:19:58like

01:19:59yeah

01:19:59the

01:20:00my

01:20:00favorite

01:20:00thing

01:20:01is

01:20:01the

01:20:01Metallica

01:20:01one

01:20:02because

01:20:02someone

01:20:02asked

01:20:03Lars

01:20:03about

01:20:03it

01:20:03and

01:20:03he

01:20:04said

01:20:04I've

01:20:04never

01:20:04met

01:20:05Hulk

01:20:05Hogan

01:20:05in

01:20:05my

01:20:05life

01:20:06yeah

01:20:06um

01:20:08so

01:20:08yeah

01:20:09um

01:20:10thank

01:20:11Hulk

01:20:11Hogan

01:20:11for that

01:20:12baseline

01:20:12in whom

01:20:13the bell

01:20:13tolls

01:20:14because

01:20:14it was all

01:20:15him

01:20:15as far

01:20:16as giving

01:20:17back

01:20:17though

01:20:17I will

01:20:18say one

01:20:18thing

01:20:18uh

01:20:19he did

01:20:20if I'm

01:20:20not mistaken

01:20:21and John

01:20:22Cena

01:20:22obviously

01:20:23has since

01:20:23broken this

01:20:24record

01:20:24but I

01:20:25believe

01:20:25uh

01:20:26during the

01:20:26uh

01:20:26during the

01:20:2780s

01:20:27kind of

01:20:27peak

01:20:28Hulkamania

01:20:28didn't

01:20:28Hulk Hogan

01:20:29hold the

01:20:29record

01:20:29for Make

01:20:30A Wish

01:20:30didn't

01:20:32he see

01:20:32more kids

01:20:33than

01:20:33anybody

01:20:33else

01:20:34that's not

01:20:34giving back

01:20:34to the

01:20:35business

01:20:35though

01:20:36well

01:20:36but it's

01:20:37giving

01:20:37but yeah

01:20:38it's giving

01:20:38back

01:20:39to

01:20:39the

01:20:40fans

01:20:41giving

01:20:42back

01:20:42to the

01:20:42business

01:20:43is

01:20:43sacrificing

01:20:45your

01:20:46personal

01:20:47standing

01:20:47to

01:20:48better

01:20:49the

01:20:49business

01:20:50I

01:20:51I

01:20:51agree

01:20:51it's not

01:20:52the same

01:20:52thing

01:20:52but I

01:20:53I just

01:20:53think it's

01:20:53worth

01:20:54mentioning

01:20:54though

01:20:55I just

01:20:55wanted to

01:20:55because that

01:20:56is something

01:20:56that is

01:20:56something that

01:20:57I do

01:20:57think

01:20:58is

01:20:59honorable

01:20:59very charitable

01:21:00which also

01:21:02he did a lot

01:21:02for charity

01:21:03to circle

01:21:04back to

01:21:06Rocky's

01:21:06point

01:21:07that

01:21:07hard

01:21:08R

01:21:08killed

01:21:08him

01:21:08because

01:21:09he was

01:21:10so

01:21:10charitable

01:21:11he did

01:21:12do so

01:21:12much

01:21:13and

01:21:13there

01:21:14I do

01:21:15believe

01:21:15at

01:21:16some

01:21:16point

01:21:17that

01:21:17he

01:21:18genuinely

01:21:19took

01:21:19the

01:21:20good

01:21:20that

01:21:20Hulk Hogan

01:21:21represented

01:21:22and ingrained

01:21:24it into

01:21:24Terry

01:21:25Bollea

01:21:25I just

01:21:26think

01:21:27the evil

01:21:28of Terry

01:21:28Bollea

01:21:29superseded

01:21:30it

01:21:31I think

01:21:32it's

01:21:32because

01:21:32it was

01:21:32so hidden

01:21:33for so

01:21:33long

01:21:34and he's

01:21:34like

01:21:34got one

01:21:36over on

01:21:37a brother

01:21:37and so

01:21:39then he

01:21:39just

01:21:39figured

01:21:40he could

01:21:40let it

01:21:41out

01:21:41because

01:21:41he's

01:21:42so

01:21:42beloved

01:21:43that

01:21:45he could

01:21:46get away

01:21:47with it

01:21:47so yeah

01:21:49it is

01:21:49sad

01:21:49that

01:21:50we

01:21:51that

01:21:51when we're

01:21:52remembering

01:21:53him

01:21:53a majority

01:21:54of it

01:21:54is

01:21:55negative

01:21:55because

01:21:56there was

01:21:56a lot

01:21:57of good

01:21:58that he

01:21:59did

01:22:00but

01:22:01the

01:22:02just

01:22:02bad

01:22:03is

01:22:04just

01:22:04the

01:22:05bad

01:22:06just

01:22:06takes

01:22:07it

01:22:08over

01:22:08because

01:22:09of how

01:22:10heinous

01:22:11it is

01:22:12yeah

01:22:13yeah

01:22:13I agree

01:22:14in

01:22:17marrying

01:22:18a woman

01:22:19that

01:22:19is

01:22:20your

01:22:20daughter's

01:22:20age

01:22:21and

01:22:21looks

01:22:21just

01:22:21like

01:22:22your

01:22:22daughter

01:22:22is

01:22:22just

01:22:22downright

01:22:23creepy

01:22:23that

01:22:24is

01:22:24well

01:22:26how old

01:22:26so

01:22:27is that

01:22:28the woman

01:22:28he was

01:22:29married

01:22:29to

01:22:29at the

01:22:29end

01:22:29that's

01:22:30jennifer

01:22:31sky

01:22:32is the

01:22:32one he

01:22:33was

01:22:33married

01:22:33to

01:22:34let me

01:22:34see

01:22:35if

01:22:35I

01:22:35can

01:22:36find

01:22:37a picture

01:22:37of her

01:22:38and they

01:22:38and y'all

01:22:39can be

01:22:39the judge

01:22:40so this

01:22:41last marriage

01:22:41was his

01:22:42third

01:22:42marriage

01:22:42yes

01:22:43okay

01:22:44yeah

01:22:46because at

01:22:46a certain

01:22:46point I

01:22:47kind of

01:22:47I kind of

01:22:48stopped

01:22:48paying attention

01:22:49to

01:22:49like I

01:22:50was never

01:22:50someone who

01:22:51could sit

01:22:51and actually

01:22:52like sit

01:22:52through an

01:22:53episode of

01:22:53Hogan's

01:22:54knows

01:22:54Hogan knows

01:22:55best and

01:22:55enjoy it

01:22:55or anything

01:22:56like that

01:22:57I mean

01:22:57it was

01:22:58it wasn't

01:22:59even a

01:23:00funny

01:23:00like

01:23:02I don't

01:23:03even like

01:23:03saying this

01:23:04about this

01:23:05show

01:23:05because it's

01:23:06very disparaging

01:23:07to the show

01:23:08because the show

01:23:09was absolutely

01:23:09funny

01:23:10it was

01:23:10it wasn't

01:23:11like the

01:23:11Osbournes

01:23:12where it was

01:23:12a funny

01:23:13train wreck

01:23:14right

01:23:15it was

01:23:16a legit

01:23:17like

01:23:18this family

01:23:19the sun

01:23:21is running

01:23:21wild

01:23:22um

01:23:23the wife

01:23:24is spending

01:23:25like crazy

01:23:26yeah

01:23:27and

01:23:28you know

01:23:29Brooke is

01:23:30being treated

01:23:31like a little

01:23:31girl

01:23:32yeah

01:23:33yeah

01:23:34did you send

01:23:36me a picture

01:23:36or

01:23:37well yeah

01:23:38no I

01:23:39I was not

01:23:40it was not a

01:23:40big deal

01:23:41I'm trying

01:23:42to find

01:23:43the

01:23:44wait a minute

01:23:45there it is

01:23:45people should

01:23:46have a very

01:23:47good picture

01:23:48yeah

01:23:49didn't this

01:23:50cause a

01:23:50problem

01:23:51between

01:23:51uh

01:23:52he and

01:23:52Brooke

01:23:53that

01:23:53you know

01:23:53he was

01:23:54uh

01:23:54dating

01:23:55uh

01:23:56it's

01:23:57pretty weird

01:23:58yeah

01:23:59well she was

01:24:00a friend

01:24:01of

01:24:02Brooke's

01:24:03yeah

01:24:03you know

01:24:04and

01:24:05the thing

01:24:05is too

01:24:05when you're

01:24:06rich and

01:24:07famous

01:24:07like Hulk Hogan

01:24:09you know

01:24:09you've got

01:24:10you've got

01:24:10options for

01:24:11dating

01:24:11you don't

01:24:12have to

01:24:12uh

01:24:13you don't

01:24:14have to

01:24:14date

01:24:14one of

01:24:14your

01:24:15daughter's

01:24:15friends

01:24:15who's

01:24:17your

01:24:17daughter's

01:24:17age

01:24:18you've

01:24:19got other

01:24:19options

01:24:20certainly

01:24:21other women

01:24:21you could

01:24:22be meeting

01:24:22yeah

01:24:23um

01:24:24I'm

01:24:24having a

01:24:24hard time

01:24:25finding a

01:24:27oh that's

01:24:27okay

01:24:28maybe

01:24:28oh here

01:24:30yes

01:24:30oh man

01:24:31in this

01:24:32photo

01:24:32you can

01:24:33definitely

01:24:34uh

01:24:35see it

01:24:36uh

01:24:37the

01:24:38just

01:24:38how much

01:24:39she looks

01:24:40like

01:24:40Brooke

01:24:41yeah

01:24:41um

01:24:44yeah

01:24:44I need

01:24:44to bring

01:24:44you back

01:24:45up on

01:24:46Facebook

01:24:46here

01:24:47doing this

01:24:49on a

01:24:50MacBook

01:24:50is so

01:24:51easy

01:24:51by the

01:24:51way

01:24:52oh that's

01:24:52good

01:24:53it really

01:24:54is

01:24:55like

01:24:55um

01:24:57in

01:24:59in some

01:24:59sense

01:25:00oh yeah

01:25:01it does

01:25:02look like

01:25:02Brooke

01:25:02let me

01:25:03see

01:25:03let me

01:25:04grab this

01:25:04I'll put

01:25:04it up

01:25:05so people

01:25:06can see

01:25:06it

01:25:06uh

01:25:07download

01:25:07yeah

01:25:09that does

01:25:10I see

01:25:10I'd never

01:25:11really

01:25:11because like

01:25:12I said

01:25:12at a certain

01:25:13point

01:25:13I just

01:25:13stopped

01:25:14paying

01:25:14attention

01:25:14yeah

01:25:15um

01:25:16to a

01:25:17lot

01:25:17of uh

01:25:17the drama

01:25:18around

01:25:18Hogan

01:25:19so I

01:25:19but uh

01:25:21yeah

01:25:21that looks

01:25:22like

01:25:22that does

01:25:22look a lot

01:25:23like Brooke

01:25:23what I was

01:25:25gonna say

01:25:25though is

01:25:26so um

01:25:28and hear

01:25:29me out

01:25:30and I

01:25:31don't just

01:25:31mean that

01:25:31for you

01:25:32but for

01:25:32the listeners

01:25:32hear me

01:25:33out

01:25:33it kind

01:25:34of makes

01:25:34sense

01:25:35if you

01:25:36take the

01:25:36age part

01:25:37out of

01:25:37it

01:25:37what's

01:25:37the rule

01:25:38half your

01:25:38age plus

01:25:39seven

01:25:39I think

01:25:40she's

01:25:40probably

01:25:40a lot

01:25:41younger

01:25:41than that

01:25:42um

01:25:43but it

01:25:44it kind

01:25:44of makes

01:25:45sense

01:25:45if if

01:25:46Hulk Hogan

01:25:46as a

01:25:47man

01:25:47if he

01:25:47was uh

01:25:48if he

01:25:48had very

01:25:48some men

01:25:49are attracted

01:25:50to very

01:25:50specific

01:25:51characteristics

01:25:52in a woman

01:25:53and like

01:25:54his daughter

01:25:55well here's

01:25:56well here's

01:25:56the thing

01:25:56though

01:25:57think about

01:25:57it

01:25:58genetically

01:25:58his daughter

01:26:00looks like

01:26:01his daughter's

01:26:02mother

01:26:02right

01:26:02so if

01:26:04if there

01:26:05are certain

01:26:05genetic

01:26:05characteristics

01:26:06that

01:26:07that

01:26:08Hogan's

01:26:09wife has

01:26:10and then

01:26:10they have

01:26:10a child

01:26:11the daughter

01:26:12is going

01:26:12to have

01:26:12those same

01:26:13characteristics

01:26:14genetically

01:26:14for him

01:26:16okay

01:26:17you understand

01:26:18what I'm

01:26:18saying

01:26:19it's not

01:26:20I get

01:26:21where you're

01:26:21going

01:26:21people think

01:26:22it's creepy

01:26:22but if you

01:26:23think about

01:26:23it logically

01:26:24it's actually

01:26:24it actually

01:26:25makes sense

01:26:26if because

01:26:28some men

01:26:28if you look

01:26:29at all of

01:26:30his wives

01:26:30and this is

01:26:32he definitely

01:26:33has a type

01:26:34because this

01:26:35woman

01:26:35yeah she

01:26:36looks like

01:26:37Brooke

01:26:37she also

01:26:38looks but

01:26:39by default

01:26:40she also

01:26:40looks like

01:26:41a young

01:26:41version of

01:26:42Linda

01:26:42that's his

01:26:44first wife

01:26:45so you know

01:26:46that's what I

01:26:47mean so for

01:26:47anyone who

01:26:48you know if

01:26:49you think about

01:26:50it logically

01:26:50it makes

01:26:50sense

01:26:51so but

01:26:52anyway

01:26:52doesn't

01:26:54doesn't

01:26:54make the

01:26:54whole thing

01:26:55any less

01:26:55weird

01:26:56though

01:26:56well

01:26:58all right

01:26:59on that

01:26:59note

01:26:59should we

01:27:00put a bow

01:27:01on it

01:27:02yeah

01:27:03with this

01:27:03one in the

01:27:04books

01:27:04episode 12

01:27:05of tough

01:27:05bumps

01:27:06and we

01:27:07never talked

01:27:07about what

01:27:08we're going

01:27:08to talk

01:27:08about next

01:27:09week

01:27:09I do

01:27:10think one

01:27:10of the

01:27:10things I'll

01:27:11kind of put

01:27:11you on the

01:27:12spot here

01:27:12we should

01:27:12talk about

01:27:13Goldberg

01:27:13because

01:27:15I'll just

01:27:16say I

01:27:17thought his

01:27:17match with

01:27:18Gunther was

01:27:19better than

01:27:20anyone had a

01:27:21right to

01:27:21expect it to

01:27:22be

01:27:22and then

01:27:23I have

01:27:23and then

01:27:24he's going

01:27:24all over

01:27:25everything

01:27:26what's wrong

01:27:27with this

01:27:27guy

01:27:27he went out

01:27:28on a high

01:27:29note

01:27:29I want to

01:27:32hear you say

01:27:34these words

01:27:35yeah

01:27:35Eric

01:27:36you were

01:27:38right

01:27:38well about

01:27:40about what

01:27:41specifically though

01:27:41about Goldberg

01:27:42being a turd

01:27:43like this

01:27:44just

01:27:45yeah

01:27:45I'll say

01:27:47yeah

01:27:47this just

01:27:49to quote

01:27:52Crichton

01:27:52from Red

01:27:53Dwarf

01:27:54allow me

01:27:54to enter

01:27:55smug

01:27:55mode

01:27:56look

01:27:57yeah

01:28:00we got

01:28:00we got to

01:28:01talk about

01:28:01that next

01:28:02week for

01:28:02sure

01:28:02and maybe

01:28:03you know

01:28:05and next

01:28:06weekend is

01:28:07Summer

01:28:07Slam

01:28:07oh yes

01:28:09yes

01:28:10so

01:28:11stay tuned

01:28:12to our

01:28:13page for

01:28:14some

01:28:15potential

01:28:16breaking

01:28:17news

01:28:17that we

01:28:18might be

01:28:19doing some

01:28:19great things

01:28:21with Summer

01:28:21Slam

01:28:22yes

01:28:23yes

01:28:23I hope

01:28:23so

01:28:24I hope

01:28:24so

01:28:25all right

01:28:25so on

01:28:26that note

01:28:26thank you

01:28:27to everyone

01:28:27who participated

01:28:28in the show

01:28:29live

01:28:29who watched

01:28:30live

01:28:30and thank

01:28:30you to

01:28:31everyone

01:28:31who's

01:28:31listening

01:28:31to the

01:28:32podcast

01:28:32of course

01:28:33you can

01:28:34go to

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01:28:37and it

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01:28:39as well

01:28:40and Eric

01:28:42where can

01:28:42people find

01:28:43you online

01:28:43can find

01:28:44me at

01:28:44Facebook

01:28:45at

01:28:46Eric

01:28:47Pilcher

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01:28:50if you type

01:28:52in

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01:28:53back

01:28:53slash

01:28:54B-I-T-W

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01:28:56you will

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01:28:58find me

01:28:59on Instagram

01:28:59at

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01:29:00Pilcher

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01:29:02at

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01:29:03E-Pilcher

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01:29:05E-R-Pilcher

01:29:063-1-9

01:29:08very good

01:29:09thank you

01:29:10Eric

01:29:10thank you

01:29:11everyone

01:29:11who joined

01:29:12us

01:29:12this week

01:29:13on the

01:29:13show

01:29:13and who

01:29:14supports

01:29:14the show

01:29:14and rest

01:29:15in peace

01:29:16Hulk Hogan

01:29:16all right

01:29:17we're out

01:29:18in peace

01:29:21love

01:29:21to be

01:29:22you

01:29:23I

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